The Newcastle United Thread

[Geordie Ahmed]

geordie, just saw the semifinal first leg of the youth cup which we won 4-2.. your guys really do need some defensive coaches coz the youth team was as bad the first one in defense.. the 1 goal you scored was through a dead ball which was a cockup in defense on our part and the second goal was a jammy own goal... looking forward to the game at Anfield on Monday.. may as well take a camera coz it wont be full

Well its obvious defence is a major problem for us and it seems to go all the way down to the youth side (i didnt see the match cos i was home BUT would have liked to have watched it) - it seems like Carroll was our only decent player, we have no chance of going through BUT i would like to see the players atleast put up some sort of fight


I just heard a brief snippet from bbc of Roeder talking about the game - it sounds like Bramble wont be here for much longer - Roeder was saying that we need better defenders to play infront of Shay, also that we praise certain players when they have good games BUT they keep making regular mistakes (i have no doubt he was talking about Bramble here)

This summer we need to sort our defence out big time - a RB, CB and a LB should be priority especially LB cos that is a major weakness for us

 

[Daoud]

Well its obvious defence is a major problem for us and it seems to go all the way down to the youth side (i didnt see the match cos i was home BUT would have liked to have watched it) - it seems like Carroll was our only decent player, we have no chance of going through BUT i would like to see the players atleast put up some sort of fight


I just heard a brief snippet from bbc of Roeder talking about the game - it sounds like Bramble wont be here for much longer - Roeder was saying that we need better defenders to play infront of Shay, also that we praise certain players when they have good games BUT they keep making regular mistakes (i have no doubt he was talking about Bramble here)

This summer we need to sort our defence out big time - a RB, CB and a LB should be priority especially LB cos that is a major weakness for us

Before the game he implied that Bramble was fighting for a contract so a loss may not be the worst thing in the long run, ie getting rid of Bramble and the like.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Before the game he implied that Bramble was fighting for a contract so a loss may not be the worst thing in the long run, ie getting rid of Bramble and the like.

Bro the loss hurts (a lot) BUT last night i was thinking is there any positive that i can take from this, even a small positive then i thought perhaps this is the moment Roeder realises that Bramble does not deserve another contract

 

[Daoud]

Bro the loss hurts (a lot) BUT last night i was thinking is there any positive that i can take from this, even a small positive then i thought perhaps this is the moment Roeder realises that Bramble does not deserve another contract

Whos a realistic target that you'd want to partner Taylor at CB?

 

[madaboutlfc]

Whos a realistic target that you'd want to partner Taylor at CB?

Lescott would be a great signing.. that would ****** the bitters off coz they hate Newcastle as well for some reason.. As for LB Bridge will be available and ferreira and geremi availble as RBs.. Chelsea wouldnt mind selling to Newcastle as well..

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Whos a realistic target that you'd want to partner Taylor at CB?

The only realistic CB i can think of us signing is Woodgate, he would be a class partner for Taylor, if that doesnt happen then i really cant think of anyone. I mean i would love it if we signed Andrade BUT im just dreaming there.

Like MALFC mentioned for LB Wayne Bridge would be a class option

For us its not just a case of buying CB cos until our LB and RB are sorted the CB will always suffer regardless of who plays there - i cant wait til the summer now, hopefully it will be bye bye to Bramble and a few other wasters and hopefully we can make some signings that are needed

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

and an expected defeat to end what is probably the worst week of my life as a football and cricket supporter

Tuesday = Pak lose to WI in opening match of World Cup

Thursday = we get knocked out of the UEFA Cup despite having a 3 goal lead twice in the 1st leg

Saturday = Pak loses to Ireland . . . yes thats right Ireland and gets knocked out of the World Cup

Sunday = we lose to Charlton, which really kills our hopes of clinching a UEFA Cup spot

Usually i hate Mondays BUT il be glad when it arrives cos this has been a terrible week

 

[w4s1m786]

was just going to say the thing to you, it must be a bad week for you. atleast on the bright side for me, spurs are playing decent footi

 

[Oxy]

Usually i hate Mondays BUT il be glad when it arrives cos this has been a terrible week

I could ban you for 24 hrs???

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I could ban you for 24 hrs???

How is that going to help?

Without PP the day will just drag, yet i want Monday to arrive asap

 

[Amir]

I could ban you for 24 hrs???

How about 24 days?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The new Kit for next season is out - it would have been awesome if the northern rock bit wasnt rubbish

 

[nufc]

The first time I looked at that kit I was like eurgh! Now its starting to grow on me but your right the northen rock logo spoils it, why cant we have something decent instead of northern rock!

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The first time I looked at that kit I was like eurgh! Now its starting to grow on me but your right the northen rock logo spoils it, why cant we have something decent instead of northern rock!

I dont have a problem with Northern Rock (good to have local companies sponsor you and its MILES better than brown ale) BUT i think the logo looks wrong - it needed to be blended in better (im sure Entra could do a better job)

 

[Toony™®]

club announced £300m expansion plans...

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

club announced £300m expansion plans...

Yeah just been reading about that.

Not sure about the stadium expansion - what is the point of taking it to 60,000 when we are just about filling it now (tho some matches we are not) - we could fill 60,00 if we are towards the top of the table or atleast playing decent football BUT not at the moment.

Tho the rest of the developments are certainly interesting - good for the city and good for the construction industry (which is always a good thing )

 

[Toony™®]

Yeah just been reading about that.

Not sure about the stadium expansion - what is the point of taking it to 60,000 when we are just about filling it now (tho some matches we are not) - we could fill 60,00 if we are towards the top of the table or atleast playing decent football BUT not at the moment.

Tho the rest of the developments are certainly interesting - good for the city and good for the construction industry (which is always a good thing )

as long as someone else other than the club is paying for it i dont mind... maybe u can get a job at the site!

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

as long as someone else other than the club is paying for it i dont mind... maybe u can get a job at the site!

I know some fans are peeved BUT thats cos they think the club is forking out £300mill for it BUT thats not the case - we will be paying some of it since the stadium expansion is part of the plans. Also i think they will be getting some major hotel chain to run the hotel that is being planned . . . someone like the Hilton maybe, so it may well benefit the club in the long run.

I would love it if i could get a job there BUT it all depends on when it starts and which company gets the contract to build it

 

[Toony™®]

2-1 win ..woohoo.

Parker ,Taylor and Martins were immense.

man we will be screwed if Martins gets injured ....sibs looks like he stretched some ligaments.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

2-1 win ..woohoo.

Parker ,Taylor and Martins were immense.

man we will be screwed if Martins gets injured ....sibs looks like he stretched some ligaments.

The blocks Parker was putting in were awesome

Did you see the bit in the 1st half where Martins held off about 6 Sheff U players - summed him up, his pace, strength and skill. 6 more games to go, lets hope he can get the 3 goals to take him to 20 for the season

 

[Toony™®]

The blocks Parker was putting in were awesome

Did you see the bit in the 1st half where Martins held off about 6 Sheff U players - summed him up, his pace, strength and skill. 6 more games to go, lets hope he can get the 3 goals to take him to 20 for the season

His control is amazing..hardly gives away the ball...only thing he needs to work on is to make the simple pass ..whilst he has the ball upfront....prbably be better when shola and owen return....



my wish list for the summer is 2 fullbacks, 2 cbs, 1 central midfielder and another striker.

 

[Daoud]

His control is amazing..hardly gives away the ball...only thing he needs to work on is to make the simple pass ..whilst he has the ball upfront....prbably be better when shola and owen return....



my wish list for the summer is 2 fullbacks, 2 cbs, 1 central midfielder and another striker.

Pretty large wishlist!
You dont really need a central midfielder with Parker and Emre and with Butt a more defensive option and Dyer being a more attacking option. The others are far more important

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

His control is amazing..hardly gives away the ball...only thing he needs to work on is to make the simple pass ..whilst he has the ball upfront....prbably be better when shola and owen return....



my wish list for the summer is 2 fullbacks, 2 cbs, 1 central midfielder and another striker.

Yeah his passing can do with improving BUT he is only 22 so im sure he will get better - the thing is sometimes he can pull of fancy passes BUT on a few occasions he messes up the simple pass

That is a large wishlist, certainly cant see us signing that much tho i would love it to happen.

I think Roeder will concentrate on the defence and defence alone - maybe go for Sidwell since he is gonna be on a free BUT a whole new defence will be priority - tho Taylor must remain as a first choice Centre Back, no more shoving him to RB and LB

 

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

ideally newcastle can get an experienced centre half to go with taylor, one who knows the rigours of the game and can help taylor develop

 

[Toony™®]

0-0 draw..wat a boring game...crowd seemed to be on holiday too.

 

[madaboutlfc]

i know martins has been excellent for newcastle but would he do the same at a top 4 club due to the style of play which is similar to cisse..

 

[Toony™®]

nothing like cisse... martins is 2 footed... and more skilful with the ball...creates his own chances...

cisse is probably more predatory.

 

[hasbeen]

newcastle are pathetic

 

[Zechariah]

newcastle are pathetic

so?

 

[hasbeen]

so?

so the geordie fans who are so passionate about their football deserve better. newcastle is a big club and should be competing for champions league places and not mid table. they need a good manager to start with. the likes of glen roeder are not newcastle material.

 

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

The Geordies are heavily being linked with another top striker .........


































Eidur gudjohnsen!

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

we need defenders not strikers - and even if we did sign a Striker i would prefer it to be more of a target man - as much as a i like Eidur it wudnt be the right choice for us

 

[hasbeen]

we need defenders not strikers - and even if we did sign a Striker i would prefer it to be more of a target man - as much as a i like Eidur it wudnt be the right choice for us

true you need someone to hold up the ball for the likes of martins and owen to run on to it.

everyone knows you need defenders but the management never seems to do anything about it. bramble must be the worst defender playing top flight football. his concentration is so crap. what do you think of him geordie and which defenders would you want newcastle to buy?

personally i think newcastle should raid united for alan smith and wes brown. you could get both of them for abt 10-15million

 

[Toony™®]

true you need someone to hold up the ball for the likes of martins and owen to run on to it.

everyone knows you need defenders but the management never seems to do anything about it. bramble must be the worst defender playing top flight football. his concentration is so crap. what do you think of him geordie and which defenders would you want newcastle to buy?

personally i think newcastle should raid united for alan smith and wes brown. you could get both of them for abt 10-15million

you must read alot of media rubbish -like a lot of naive football fans + media pundits ..

newcastles problems for the 2.5 yrs has been unfit fullbacks and lack of fit forwards or just forwards.

Bramble imo as a CB probably the best cb along with anemerging tyalor who just as much makes same mistakes has bramble...

Mark my words give Bramble a settled defense with fit fullbacks...he wont make as many mistakes...

who do you think took us 3rd,4th and 5th?

Woodgate hardly played for us...when we finished 4th.


look at Rio Ferdinand..plays crap when he had neville out injured...doesnt have to compensate by defending at RB/LB as CB all the time as Bramble has been doing for the part 2.5 yrs.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

true you need someone to hold up the ball for the likes of martins and owen to run on to it.

everyone knows you need defenders but the management never seems to do anything about it. bramble must be the worst defender playing top flight football. his concentration is so crap. what do you think of him geordie and which defenders would you want newcastle to buy?

personally i think newcastle should raid united for alan smith and wes brown. you could get both of them for abt 10-15million

I agree with a lot of what Toony has said, Bramble gets way more stick than he deserves (and at times i have dissed him when angry) BUT that is the media influence. He is NOT the worst defender in top flight football, that is just a stupid comment to make, he is just unfortunate that his mistakes are given more attention than any other defender. I mean on Saturday Taylor was a bit weak defending when Benjani scored yet nowt much was said about it, if that was Bramble then it surely would have been blown out of proportion. Tho i do believe for the sake of our defence and even Brambles career he has to leave the club, he will always be picked on and that is something we definately do not need.

We need a RB and LB desperately cos what we have at the moment is poor. I havnt really given much thought as to who i want us to sign tho i would like us to go for Woodgate

I would be massively dissapointed if we spent that much money on Wes Brown and Smith - would be a terrible waste

 

[hasbeen]

to be fair i used to think the media was too harsh on bramble but iv seen his mistakes with my own eyes and his concentration is not good enough for a premiership side. i think newcastle should sell him and he should play in a championship side where you can get away with the odd lapse of concentration.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

to be fair i used to think the media was too harsh on bramble but iv seen his mistakes with my own eyes and his concentration is not good enough for a premiership side. i think newcastle should sell him and he should play in a championship side where you can get away with the odd lapse of concentration.

im not saying he doesnt make mistakes, yes he does BUT a fair few of them are as a result of poor fullbacks exposing our centre backs

 

[hasbeen]

im not saying he doesnt make mistakes, yes he does BUT a fair few of them are as a result of poor fullbacks exposing our centre backs

fair enough you probably seen him more than i have considering your a newcastle fan.

 

[Toony™®]

im not saying he doesnt make mistakes, yes he does BUT a fair few of them are as a result of poor fullbacks exposing our centre backs

exactly, our fullbacks hardly cut out crosses ever by blocking them...

but main problem has been they are unfit for large parts of the season..

when bramble has made mistakes cos he aint defending where he should be.. tbf, that goes with all our cbs.


i believe bramble will leave and probably for portsmouth ..which will be good for him.


He is still the best passer we have out of defense. man can pick out a 50 yard pass to feet.

 

[madaboutlfc]

gudjohnsen would be a great signing as newcastle need a link man and gudjohnsen would be a better foil for Owen/Martins

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

We are unbeaten against the Big Four at home this season (won 1 and drew 3) which is not a bad record BUT then we have lost at home to Sheff Utd, Fulham, Man City etc etc - hopefully we can make St James a fortress next season

 

[Amir]

We are unbeaten against the Big Four at home this season (won 1 and drew 3) which is not a bad record BUT then we have lost at home to Sheff Utd, Fulham, Man City etc etc - hopefully we can make St James a fortress next season

Its okay, you guys have doen your job for the season!

 

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Its okay, you guys have doen your job for the season!

shame u lot may end up with nothing again!

 

[hasbeen]

unlucky geordie ahmed. you didnt get your wish for chelsea to win and cut the lead to one point. at last newcastle are good for something.

 

[Toony™®]

Bramble and Taylor were immense...

Dyer was off colour... but other than that we more than matched chelsea.

 

[w4s1m786]

Bramble and Taylor were immense... )

Dyer was off colour... but other than that we more than matched chelsea.

i didnt see the gameand they probably did have a good game but it makes me laugh to hear Bramble and immense in the same sentence )

 

[hasbeen]

i didnt see the gameand they probably did have a good game but it makes me laugh to hear Bramble and immense in the same sentence )

lol

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

i didnt see the gameand they probably did have a good game but it makes me laugh to hear Bramble and immense in the same sentence )

another media influenced mong

 

[w4s1m786]

ok mate Bramble is class,

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Well he is class like Dawson is World Class

 

[hasbeen]

to be honest if it wasnt for shay given being a world class gk over the last few yrs, newcastle would probably leak 3-4 goals a game. he has been injured this year, but he is the only decent defence for newcastle.

geordie you talk abt how its the full backs mistakes tht expose bramble, well how abt the amount of times given has made up for mistakes made by your defence. just admit defensively newcastle are pathetic and bramble plays a big part in it. its true he aint the only culprit but he is the one that stands out

 

[w4s1m786]

well daws is alot better then Bramble, and has been in the last few England squads.
Dawson has been immense for us in the abbsence of ledley dont think he has has missed a game for us this season

 

[hasbeen]

GA how comes you aint mentioning two penalties chelsea should have had today agst you lot. if kalou crossed the ball and it hit o shea's hand, im sure youd be saying man united get the rub of the green.

like i said before the decisions even themselves out over the season so stop your moans about anything to do with man united in a negative way.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I have to go through this every few months on PP and frankly its getting boring . . . . really boring. il try to put it in really basic and simple terms

* Our defence is average BUT largely due to poor full backs (has been the case for 2 years now)

* Our defence gets WAY MORE stick than it deserves, it is most certainly not the worst defence in the league . . . teams that have a defence equal if not worse defence than ours gets praised

* It has been a favourite of the media to attack our defence since the KK days - KK admitted he didnt care about conceding goals and the media have jumped on us ever since.

* Our so called defence that contains the so called worst defender in the league has conceded 43 goals this season compared to the Spurs defence which has conceded 50 goals, explain that????

Also just like to add our defence has been ravaged by inuries and we have had atleast 7 difference combinations of centre backs, dont get me started on the full backs.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

GA how comes you aint mentioning two penalties chelsea should have had today agst you lot. if kalou crossed the ball and it hit o shea's hand, im sure youd be saying man united get the rub of the green.

like i said before the decisions even themselves out over the season so stop your moans about anything to do with man united in a negative way.

I havnt even discussed the game so i dont know why you are getting your knickers in a twist

Gan have a soft drink . . . . might just calm you down

 

[JammydodgA]

I have to go through this every few months on PP and frankly its getting boring . . . . really boring. il try to put it in really basic and simple terms

* Our defence is average BUT largely due to poor full backs (has been the case for 2 years now)

* Our defence gets WAY MORE stick than it deserves, it is most certainly not the worst defence in the league . . . teams that have a defence equal if not worse defence than ours gets praised

* It has been a favourite of the media to attack our defence since the KK days - KK admitted he didnt care about conceding goals and the media have jumped on us ever since.

* Our so called defence that contains the so called worst defender in the league has conceded 43 goals this season compared to the Spurs defence which has conceded 50 goals, explain that????

Also just like to add our defence has been ravaged by inuries and we have had atleast 7 difference combinations of centre backs, dont get me started on the full backs.

You've covered everything!

 

[hasbeen]

I havnt even discussed the game so i dont know why you are getting your knickers in a twist

Gan have a soft drink . . . . might just calm you down

well im mentioning it for you. when man u have a decision that goes in the favour of them, you seem to discuss it quickly then. i guess your jealousy for man u, prevents you from controlling your frustrations. i thnk you should go have a drink. wash down that sour taste you got in your mouth towards man u.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

well im mentioning it for you. when man u have a decision that goes in the favour of them, you seem to discuss it quickly then. i guess your jealousy for man u, prevents you from controlling your frustrations. i thnk you should go have a drink. wash down that sour taste you got in your mouth towards man u.

prove it with a few examples

 

[hasbeen]

prove it with a few examples

firstly it wasnt 50/50, it was a bloody stonewaller BUT the ref bottled it, like Shearer said otherside of the pitch and it would have been a Pen to Man-U

Also as Shearer mentioned on MOTD the ref made the correct decision with the Solskjaer goal so count yourselves lucky cos you got away with a point


firstly, it was 50 50. o shea got a bit of the ball. secondly the referees view aint clear and it looks like he got the ball from referees view.so no the referee aint biased towards united yet you seem to listen to mourinho and the media. whos the one who listens to the media crap now?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

firstly it wasnt 50/50, it was a bloody stonewaller BUT the ref bottled it, like Shearer said otherside of the pitch and it would have been a Pen to Man-U

Also as Shearer mentioned on MOTD the ref made the correct decision with the Solskjaer goal so count yourselves lucky cos you got away with a point


firstly, it was 50 50. o shea got a bit of the ball. secondly the referees view aint clear and it looks like he got the ball from referees view.so no the referee aint biased towards united yet you seem to listen to mourinho and the media. whos the one who listens to the media crap now?

examples . . . plural my friend . . . a few more would suffice

eh not it wasnt 50/50, yeah he got a slight tough of the ball after he started to bring the defender down

errrm Mourinho made his comments today whilst i made mine yesterday so once again what are you talking about?

are you always this incoherant? its bloody hard work trying to converse with you

 

[hasbeen]

examples . . . plural my friend . . . a few more would suffice

eh not it wasnt 50/50, yeah he got a slight tough of the ball after he started to bring the defender down

errrm Mourinho made his comments today whilst i made mine yesterday so once again what are you talking about?

are you always this incoherant? its bloody hard work trying to converse with you

this aint the first time mourinho has made this kinda comments is it? dont preach about how people just listen to the media regarding bramble when you yourself seem to listen to the media in relation to anything negative regarding man u. practise what you preach and dont be a hypocrite.

oh i forgot shearer also said about how united get the decisions. then it most be true if he said it. he aint biased is he

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

this aint the first time mourinho has made this kinda comments is it? dont preach about how people just listen to the media regarding bramble when you yourself seem to listen to the media in relation to anything negative regarding man u. practise what you preach and dont be a hypocrite.

its like getting blood out of a stone

where have i listened to the media in relation to anything negative regarding man u? show me some examples

(if you cant show some examples then keep your trap shut and stop bloody hijacking this thread which is about newcastle united)

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

this aint the first time mourinho has made this kinda comments is it? dont preach about how people just listen to the media regarding bramble when you yourself seem to listen to the media in relation to anything negative regarding man u. practise what you preach and dont be a hypocrite.

oh i forgot shearer also said about how united get the decisions. then it most be true if he said it. he aint biased is he

Shearer never said how united get the decisions, he said that if it was the other end then it would have been given and anyone who follows football would agree with that comment cos we have seen it many times. Heck against Boro Man-U were awarded penalties that were less clear cut than that one

 

[Daoud]

Yeah, enough of this hijacking business. Its so 2 years ago. If you want to talk about supposed hypocricy against Man U take it to the Man U thread which if you dont know is labeled the "Ultimate United" thread...

 

[hasbeen]

its like getting blood out of a stone

where have i listened to the media in relation to anything negative regarding man u? show me some examples

(if you cant show some examples then keep your trap shut and stop bloody hijacking this thread which is about newcastle united)

so its alright for you to say that i listen to the media regarding bramble and how crap he is even thgh u cnt back it up with examples. u seem to be a hypocrite in every post. u seem rattled. take a deep breath

simple fact is i said bramble is crap and so did another pper yet you called him a mong for listening to the media. how do you know he didnt see how crap bramble is with his own eyes. everytime iv seen him on play on tv, he has played ok but makes a mistake in every game.

today toony said bramble was immense. yes he played good but he still got troubled by kalou throughout the match. even one of the commentators said, bramble seems to be all over the place

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Yeah, enough of this hijacking business. Its so 2 years ago. If you want to talk about supposed hypocricy against Man U take it to the Man U thread which if you dont know is labeled the "Ultimate United" thread...

Daoud any way of banning certain posters from certain threads?

if so i wanna make a request

 

[hasbeen]

Daoud any way of banning certain posters from certain threads?

if so i wanna make a request

i suppose when you cant win an argument its the next best thing

 

[Daoud]

Daoud any way of banning certain posters from certain threads?

if so i wanna make a request

Unfortunetely not. You can chose not to respond though

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

i suppose when you cant win an argument its the next best thing

not at all - its just that you keep going around in circles, cant even stick to one point

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Unfortunetely not. You can chose not to respond though

damn

 

[hasbeen]

not at all - its just that you keep going around in circles, cant even stick to one point

ok geordie ima kill the debate here, this is how i feel. after this you can reply to it and we both move on because we aint going to agree.

1. about bramble- i think he is crap - this is my opinion and its not because of the media. yet u seem to think its because of the media even thgh iv told you iv seen him with my own two eyes.

2. man u- you think they get too many decisions their way. i said to u, u seem to just listen to the media as well then just like you think i do with bramble.

simple lets just leave it at that. we both passionate about our clubs and will never agree as we both are going to defend our clubs.

 

[Daoud]

I dont think anyone actually beleives Bramble is quality - it is a consensus that he IS poor but what Geordie and Toony have been saying is that his crapness has been exaggerated to an extend by the media.

I would think the slack Newcastle get for poor defense is because they havent seemed to have taken an interest in it at all. Since Woodgate was sold, have they bought a quality defender as replacement? In fact the only CB I remember them buying in the past few years was Boumsong and we know how good he was...

 

[w4s1m786]

1. about bramble- i think he is crap - this is my opinion and its not because of the media. yet u seem to think its because of the media even thgh iv told you iv seen him with my own two eyes.

put this way, you dont have to even listen to the media to kno that Bramble is Crap

 

[hasbeen]

I dont think anyone actually beleives Bramble is quality - it is a consensus that he IS poor but what Geordie and Toony have been saying is that his crapness has been exaggerated to an extend by the media.

I would think the slack Newcastle get for poor defense is because they havent seemed to have taken an interest in it at all. Since Woodgate was sold, have they bought a quality defender as replacement? In fact the only CB I remember them buying in the past few years was Boumsong and we know how good he was...

thats the thing i never seem to understand about newcastle and real madrid and even barcelona to an extent. 3 big clubs who have weak defences but money burning in their pockets. year after year their dodgy defences cost them goals yet they dont do jak about it instead they spend money on players with flair. the first thing i would do if i was manager at these clubs is to improve the defences. build from the back.

to be fair to real madrid and barca, they both reinforced their defence in summer with barca buying thuram and zambrotta and RM buying cannavaro.

how abt newcastle thgh?? nothing but they sell boumsong. he was crap thgh anyways. they need someone who can organise the defence like terry does. i think woodgate is the one they need to sign.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

ok geordie ima kill the debate here, this is how i feel. after this you can reply to it and we both move on because we aint going to agree.

1. about bramble- i think he is crap - this is my opinion and its not because of the media. yet u seem to think its because of the media even thgh iv told you iv seen him with my own two eyes.

2. man u- you think they get too many decisions their way. i said to u, u seem to just listen to the media as well then just like you think i do with bramble.

simple lets just leave it at that. we both passionate about our clubs and will never agree as we both are going to defend our clubs.

1) he isnt crap, he has the attributes to be a top defender BUT his concentration needs working on. He does make mistakes BUT i have seen Rio make loads of mistakes, i have seen King make loads of mistakes BUT unfortunately for Bramble mud sticks - his mistakes even the small one's will get highlighted whereas Rio gets away with it. For this reason i hope Bramble leaves cos the media aint going to leave him alone and that is the last thing we need. I never said you only listen to the media BUT they have played a large part in influencing peoples opinion on Bramble

2) not once did i say they get too many decisions their way. I simply commented on 2 incidents in the Boro match - mate i hate Boro more so than Man U, i enjoy watching them lose so it would be natural for me to defend those decisions BUT i judge them as i saw them.
I think all the big teams get decisions in their favour, last season Chelski got loads of dodgy penalties and for some reason avoided conceding quite a few (mainly where Terry was playing like a Keeper and handballing them). I dont like Man-U BUT i certainly dont always post negatively about them (just search various threads and i have complimented them on occasions)

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I dont think anyone actually beleives Bramble is quality - it is a consensus that he IS poor but what Geordie and Toony have been saying is that his crapness has been exaggerated to an extend by the media.

I would think the slack Newcastle get for poor defense is because they havent seemed to have taken an interest in it at all. Since Woodgate was sold, have they bought a quality defender as replacement? In fact the only CB I remember them buying in the past few years was Boumsong and we know how good he was...

Nah our defence has been getting slack since the KK days

Woodgate was/is a top defender BUT he was injured a lot of the time. I agree since then our defence has been neglected BUT hopefully having ex-defenders as manager and assistant manager they will know what to look for

Daoud my question is this, our defence gets criticised far more than the Spurs defence yet our defence has conceded 7 goals less this season, explain that?

 

[hasbeen]

1) he isnt crap, he has the attributes to be a top defender BUT his concentration needs working on. He does make mistakes BUT i have seen Rio make loads of mistakes, i have seen King make loads of mistakes BUT unfortunately for Bramble mud sticks - his mistakes even the small one's will get highlighted whereas Rio gets away with it. For this reason i hope Bramble leaves cos the media aint going to leave him alone and that is the last thing we need. I never said you only listen to the media BUT they have played a large part in influencing peoples opinion on Bramble

2) not once did i say they get too many decisions their way. I simply commented on 2 incidents in the Boro match - mate i hate Boro more so than Man U, i enjoy watching them lose so it would be natural for me to defend those decisions BUT i judge them as i saw them.
I think all the big teams get decisions in their favour, last season Chelski got loads of dodgy penalties and for some reason avoided conceding quite a few (mainly where Terry was playing like a Keeper and handballing them). I dont like Man-U BUT i certainly dont always post negatively about them (just search various threads and i have complimented them on occasions)

finally you make some sense.
lol i agree with u abt ferdinand thgh. his concentration is also crap but it has improved a lot mainly since vidic had arrived.

secondly i agree top teams do get decisions their way but from the posts iv read of yours, it just seemed to be anti man u and not anti big teams.


anyways discusiion closed. enjoy your newcastle thread.

my last contribution to this thread (unless you strt another debate) will be THANK U NEWCASTLE FOR HOLDING CHELSEA TO A DRAW!

 

[Daoud]

Nah our defence has been getting slack since the KK days

Woodgate was/is a top defender BUT he was injured a lot of the time. I agree since then our defence has been neglected BUT hopefully having ex-defenders as manager and assistant manager they will know what to look for

Daoud my question is this, our defence gets criticised far more than the Spurs defence yet our defence has conceded 7 goals less this season, explain that?

I know you've been getting slack since the KK days - my comment about Woodgate was just a more recent example of the situation. About the Spurs part, fair enough. I can understand Newcastle getting more criticism than some of the smaller teams due to the higher spending up north, but Spurs are a similar sort of club in terms of stature and spending yet they dont get as much slack. Jewish connection perhaps

 

[Toony™®]

As GA and I have said before ..our defensive frailties is because lack of stabilty at the back...

1)Over the last 2 years..our 1st choice fullbacks have only turned up for 35% of the matches..so probably around 60 odd games thus have missed!

The much maligned bramble has played with Dabizas and O'Brien who are far weaker defenders than him and we finished 3rd, 4th and 5th with him being the regular starter along side them.

Woodgate played like 30 odd prem and cup games in total...he was at the clubs for around 15 months ..injured for about half of it...and with him we finished 4th and 5th..albeit made sporadic appearances and was partnered with woodgate.


3)If we had all our forwards fit for the past 2/3 years..we would not finished where wehave been ...

Owen has only made 4 home appearances despite being injured for around 80% of his time here since august 2005..Ameobi has been carrying an injury for 2.5 yrs and played roughly 50% of the time. some of our draws would have been wins and some of our losses draws.

4) this season we have had upto 15 first teamers - majority senior injured with injuries classed at 4 weeks and longer- (average 12 over a period of 6 months). WORST IN PREMIERSHIP HISTORY.

Ferguson complains about 7 first teamers injured and i laugh.

5) still we will likely to finish midtable.

 

[Toony™®]

to add bramble hasnt played in the last 7 weeks ..we were conceding more goals on average.