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No FIR, no media coverage: Dalit women facing assault see no hope of getting justice In India

According to the latest National Crime Record Bureau (NCRB) report, crimes against Dalits in India have risen by 51% over the last 10 years to a total of 40,801 crimes recorded in 2016. Uttar Pradesh accounts for one in every four crimes against Dalits nationwide.

New Delhi: Radhabai Gulabrao Umbalkar, 47, was molested, stripped and paraded naked by upper caste men in her village in Buldana tehsil, Maharashtra. Nine months later, the perpetrators are still roaming free.

On June 2, 2017, after an argument with her husband over monthly finances, Radhabai followed him when he left home in a fit of anger. But, he had gone too far.

“I followed to bring him back but he had walked too far and I could not see him. I stopped by the farm to ask a group of people standing there if they had seen my husband. They did not reply initially and then asked me to bring my son and brother-in-law,” said Radhabai, her memories of that day are crystal clear.

The group denied telling her about her husband unless she brought them along.

By the time Radhabai got the two men and went back to the same spot, there were 30 men waiting for them. They immediately started attacking Radhabai and her family members.

Radhabai’s son narrated the incident, the thought of which still scares him. “They identified us as Dalits and started mouthing obscenities. They then pushed me to the ground, started kicking me and my uncle. They hit us with iron rods, wooden sticks and whatever they found,” he said.

Both men suffered serious wounds; her brother-in-law had to undergo 13 stitches on his head. When Radhabai tried to intervene and save her son and her brother-in-law, the men caught her by her arm and pushed her to a corner.

The mob consisting of upper caste men stripped off her clothes and hoisted them as a mark of victory till she was reduced to bare skin.

They then tied her arms and made her walk the entire village, stark naked.

“The men poked twigs and branches in my genitals. A few men brutally tugged at my breasts, scratched my thighs and slapped me multiple times. I was bleeding profusely. There were men recording the entire march as well,” she said firmly, resolute and unmoved perhaps because she has lost all hope of getting justice.

The alleged perpetrators then threw her in a heap of garbage. Radhabai wrapped herself in doormats which other Dalit villagers provided her, and walked straight to the police station.

But like in most cases in the country, the road to justice isn’t easy either. The police officials refused to register an FIR and instead filed a non-cognisable report, a copy of which News18 reviewed. In the case of a non-cognisable offence, the police are not under the liability to investigate the case unless the court directs so.

“None of them have been arrested in the case so far. We visit the police station almost every week but in vain,” said Radhabai’s son.

Sangram Patil, police inspector in-charge of the case, chose to disconnect and never answer calls and text messages after News18’s reporter asked him about the case.

“Nothing is going to happen to them. They will walk free and I will live with this,” Radhabai said.

While the horrific incident of rape and assault on 16 December 2012 in the national capital shook the entire country, multiple Dalit activists and social workers say that the lower caste women in India face multiple ‘Nirbhaya’ like situations, every day.

"When Nirbhaya happened, entire Delhi came on the streets to protest. We see Dalit women raped and abused in a similar fashion almost every other day, with no reaction from anybody at all. You know what is even more saddening? Most women have accepted that this is how it is supposed to be. Those men from upper caste will treat them the way they want and they will have to live with it," said Kaushal Devi, a social worker with Dalit Sthree Sakthi, an NGO.

According to the latest National Crime Record Bureau (NCRB) report, crimes against Dalits in India have risen by 51% over the last 10 years to a total of 40,801 crimes recorded in 2016. Uttar Pradesh accounts for one in every four crimes against Dalits nationwide.

While the world marked ‘Women’s Day’ on March 8, these Dalit families and their tales of injustice were left out of that celebration. The experiences narrated had one thing in common — the will to outrage a woman's modesty did not just end with a heinous act, it continued thereafter in one form or the other.
About 100 kilometres away from Radhabai’s village, in Washim district’s Mothegaon village in Maharashtra, 35-year-old Sangita Powar had gone to finish some bank work.

The house in Mothegaon was owned by her father.

However, Sanjay’s work as a security guard in Karjat made him rent a house there. Sangita moved to the Karjat house with her father Sanjay Powar, a Dalit man, along with her two sons-- one 12 years old and the other 17, after she got separated from her husband.
It was a Tuesday on the seventh day of February last year when the 57-year-old grey-haired man was preparing to doze off in his rented room when he received a call.

“Sangita was alone in the Mothegaon house. I received a call late in the evening from my friends and neighbours there. They were rushing her to the nearest hospital after they heard loud wails from the house. She had severe burns and was unconscious by the time they reached,” said Powar, frustrated and helpless at the same time.

The village hospital was quick to realize that it was not an accident and the woman was brutally raped by multiple men. Sangita was shifted to a hospital in Mumbai the very next day.

“We shifted her to Mumbai where a few of my relatives stay. Police officials registered an FIR based on what onlookers told them and the broken sentences that Sangita could price out,” said Powar.

The 35-year-old was raped and burnt alive. She struggled for a month in the hospital and subsequently passed away.

News18 reviewed copies of the FIR where the complainant alleged Ranjeet, Devidas Deshmukh and 3 others who were involved in the act.

Multiple phone calls and text messages to police inspector, in charge of the case Uttam Kamaji More went unanswered.

“The perpetrators are out on bail. They burnt her after doing what they did. Her sons live with me now. The elder one will start working soon,” said Sanjay, now playing the role of a father to his grandchildren as well.

According to the Census 2011, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, and Maharashtra cumulatively account for 42% of the Dalit population in the country.

The NCRB report for 2016 states that 25.5% of the total crimes against Dalits were encountered in Uttar Pradesh, home to 20.5% of the total population. The same report revealed that the top most reported crimes involved an assault on women to outrage her modesty and rape.
“It is not just sexual aggression that results in the crimes. They want to impose their caste superiority by pushing them to the wall. The crimes are not generally about just raping or assaulting, it is a long series of crimes that follows,” said Ramesh Nathan, general secretary, National Movement for Dalit Justice, an NGO.

NCRB’s report shows that rape of a Dalit woman is three times more likely than murder of a Dalit and fifteen times more likely than arson (setting fire to a Dalit property).

In order to expedite the prosecution of atrocity cases and improve access to justice for Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribes, every state government has been mandated to set up an adequate number of special courts. Cases are to be completed within two months from the filing of the charge sheet.

According to the annual report 2016-17 by the department of social justice and empowerment, Maharashtra has 3 exclusive special courts in a state with 36 districts. Uttar Pradesh, on the other hand, has 40 such courts with 75 districts in the state.

All the eight rape survivors the reporter met said the same thing—there are many others who they know of who have been subjected to similar crimes but chose not to report them.

“There are so many women who decide not to report this due to fear of being socially ridiculed,” said Sushma Kumari, social worker, working for Dalit Sthree Shakti, an NGO.

Kumari said that even after these women gather the courage to complain, police officials refuse to register FIRs and no national media covers them. “We are left with just the option to prepare for another incident,” she said.

What a messed up society.

Who will fight for their rights?

Being Dalit is bad enough in India.

Being Dalit and a woman is a double whammy.

Why is there little to no media coverage?

No marches?

No outrage?

I guess it's cos we middle class don't give a damn.

I am glad this article was published. Hope many more get published so that authorities and politicians are under pressure to tackle these issues instead of just shamelessly begging to Dalits for votes before elections.
 
These horrific incidents are exposing the ugly mindset of some Indians who takes pride in attacking marginalized and downtrodden.
 
Low-caste Indian Dalit killed for owning horse in Gujarat

A young farmer from India's lowest Dalit community has been beaten to death for owning a horse, which is seen as a symbol of power and wealth, police said on Saturday.

Police have detained three upper caste men for questioning after the body of 21-year-old Pradeep Rathod was found in a pool of blood near Timbi village in Gujarat state late Thursday night.

Dalits, formerly known as “untouchables”, are among the most marginalised groups in India, where caste discrimination is outlawed but remains widespread.

Rathod's father, who found the body, “has alleged that his son was killed by people of upper caste community of his village because he owned a horse despite being a Dalit,” deputy police superintendent A.M. Saiyed told AFP.

“We have detained three persons named in the complaint filed by Pradeep Rathod's father for questioning.” In his complaint, seen by AFP, Rathod's father stated his son loved horses and he had bought him one eight months ago.

“My son's love for horses led to his murder,” the father said.

“About a week ago, when I was riding the horse with my son, one of the persons from the upper caste Kshatriya (warrior) community warned us not to ride the horse in the village.

“He said that people of Dalit community cannot ride horses, only Kshatriyas can ride horses. He also threatened to kill us if we did not sell the horse,” the complaint read.

Rathod, a high school drop-out, worked on land owned by his father.

Dalits, who lie at the bottom of India's deeply entrenched social hierarchy system, have long faced attacks.

Last October, a Dalit man was killed by a group of men for attending a traditional Hindu dance performance also in Gujarat, the western home state of Hindu nationalist premier Narendra Modi.

Protests erupted among the community in 2016 after vigilantes wrongly accused four Dalit villagers of killing a cow ─ considered sacred by Hindus.

They were stripped and publicly thrashed.

Modi has urged a halt to attacks on Dalits, who make up about 200 million of the population of 1.25 billion, and an end to caste discrimination

https://www.dawn.com/news/1398716/
 
Violence against the Dalit caste in India

They have taken to the streets to protest against a Supreme Court order that they say weakens a law designed to protect lower caste communities.

Train services have been affected and some main roads have been blocked in a number of states.

The federal government has asked the court to review its decision.

In its ruling, the court had said that the Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, popularly known as the SC/ST Act, had been "misused" in the past.

Caste violence continues to be a problem in the country. More than 40,000 crimes against lower castes were reported in 2016 alone, according to official statistics.

Dalit leaders said the ruling made them feel "vulnerable".

"The SC/ST Act ensured the protection of Dalits in India by making any discrimination against our community a punishable offence. With this new Supreme Court order, these legal obligations have ended. We're all sad and shocked," said KP Choudhary, the general secretary of an all-India association for lower castes.


In the central state of Madhya Pradesh, senior police officials told BBC Hindi that six people had died.

Bans were imposed on large gatherings after protesters blocked railway tracks and set fire to vehicles. A curfew has been imposed in some parts of the state.

One person has also been killed in the northern state of Rajasthan, police said.

In the northern state of Punjab, exams have been postponed and all educational institutions, banks and offices shut.

There have been further reports of clashes between protesters and police in parts the northern states of Uttar Pradesh, Jharkhand and Bihar.

Dalit organisations also staged demonstrations in the capital, Delhi,

Dalits are some of the country's most downtrodden citizens because of an unforgiving Hindu caste hierarchy that condemns them to the bottom of the heap.

Despite the laws to protect them, discrimination remains a daily reality for the Dalit population, thought to number around 200 million.

Traditionally, they have been segregated from the upper castes and are not allowed to attend the same temples, schools or even drink from the same cups as upper caste people. They do not get education and job opportunities, and are often victims of exploitation, abuse and violence.


Lately, activists say that rising aspirations among young Dalits have improved their lives, but this has also increased violence against them by upper caste community members who are unable to accept this.

"Conflict increases where social conditions [for Dalits] may be getting slightly better," Pratap Bhanu Meht, vice chancellor of Ashoka University, earlier told the BBC..

Last week a young Dalit boy was beaten to death in the western state of Gujarat, apparently for owning and riding a horse, which is seen as an "upper caste privilege".

In October, a Dalit man was killed by a group of men for reportedly attending a traditional Hindu dance performance also in Gujarat.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43616242
 
Rights . You know which right? Its special rights which they want to enjoy. Supreme court didnt even touch reservation . Can you imagine. They just said about some particular law which is very logical. Still.
Most pakistanis open just thread and dnt have an iota of idea about the whole information. They just react without even knowing the whole scenarios.
 
I find it interesting when Dalit leaders with the names like Chaudhry, Rathod etc protesting upper caste atrocities.

A Dalitistan is long overdue in India. 40% of the population were not considered Hindus until a few centuries ago and even now, they are not allowed into Temples.

Dalits, Tribals and Muslims should get a separate country. These 3 groups tend to stick together too.

Problem is, I dount Dalits in North India accept South Dalits. They look very different most of the times.
 
Rights . You know which right? Its special rights which they want to enjoy. Supreme court didnt even touch reservation . Can you imagine. They just said about some particular law which is very logical. Still.
Most pakistanis open just thread and dnt have an iota of idea about the whole information. They just react without even knowing the whole scenarios.

According to the BBC.

"15-16% of the total number of complaints filed under the act in 2015 were false,"

This is a small number if 75% complaints were true. Now it seems these laws which helped some many Dalits to co-exist will no longer be there and many of those who do discriminate will likely get away it
 
Nothing new. Dalits or untouchables are regularly abused in India. They can be killed for no reason or for things like riding a horse.
 
Dalits were still awaiting trial, government data from last year showed.

Investigation showed that fewer than a tenth of the cases brought by Dalits in 2016 were proved false, according to government data.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...protests-against-court-judgment-idUSKCN1H90TJ

This is from Reuters which is very anti Pakistan and anti Muslim not Dawn, Tribune. This data isn't from ISI or Pak army but from Narendra Modi government nor is it being delivered by a Pakistani outlet.

You think we just watch Bollywood and listen to Indian songs just for the sake of it we are well aware of whats going on there. I am a keen follower of Indian news for years now so I'am well informed about whats going on there infact plenty of times more so than that of Pakistan. And sadly I've seen and read some very painful and horrific things. If I wrote some of the things I've read I'd be perma banned.
 
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Rights . You know which right? Its special rights which they want to enjoy. Supreme court didnt even touch reservation . Can you imagine. They just said about some particular law which is very logical. Still.
Most pakistanis open just thread and dnt have an iota of idea about the whole information. They just react without even knowing the whole scenarios.

Because facts dont matter - its preferable for Pakistani posters on here to believe that dalits and muslims are oppressed in India. When in fact, in terms of the law of the land, both of those communities enjoy special rights more so than other citizens.

But like I said, facts not important. Propaganda that supports confirmation bias is more valid, even when false.
 
All these protests by Dalits over nothing.

They still have reservation in all Government institutions and enjoy special privileges. So why protest this way is mind boggling.

So much vandalism and so many Dalits and upper caste people getting killed over nothing.

Clearly some elements are fueling the vandalism by instigating gullible youth.


I say scrap all caste based reservations and special treatments. Provide incentives based on economic status. No free entry into anything just because someone belongs to certain caste.

Reservations were meant for only 10 yrs. if you give special privileges for 70 yrs and still Dalits are backward, then I don’t know what to say. Just grant Dalits/Tribals Separate country and give them an opportunity to govern themselves.

You can never uplift 400 million Dalits and tribals. Just way too many people to uplift. Basically screwed.

Funny part is, even among Dalits, they discriminate each other. :facepalm:
 
Karnataka elections are due in a month. The opposition is desperate. The only hope they have is to divide the hindu votes along caste lines. If they fail they know they are toast.

Non hindus were found to be part of this so called Dalit stir. One of the guys caught was also caught in the karni sena stir.

These paid goons wont get votes. Thats the problem for Congress.
 
All these protests by Dalits over nothing.

They still have reservation in all Government institutions and enjoy special privileges. So why protest this way is mind boggling.

So much vandalism and so many Dalits and upper caste people getting killed over nothing.

Clearly some elements are fueling the vandalism by instigating gullible youth.


I say scrap all caste based reservations and special treatments. Provide incentives based on economic status. No free entry into anything just because someone belongs to certain caste.

Reservations were meant for only 10 yrs. if you give special privileges for 70 yrs and still Dalits are backward, then I don’t know what to say. Just grant Dalits/Tribals Separate country and give them an opportunity to govern themselves.

You can never uplift 400 million Dalits and tribals. Just way too many people to uplift. Basically screwed.

Funny part is, even among Dalits, they discriminate each other. :facepalm:

The SC said apply the creamy layer cricteria among SC ST as well. That would actually help.
 
Reservations were only meant for 10 years :)) [MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION] Bhai aap America par hi kyon concentrate nahin karte . You are wrong about India on so many levels that I don't even find it funny anymore.
 
Reservations were only meant for 10 years :)) [MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION] Bhai aap America par hi kyon concentrate nahin karte . You are wrong about India on so many levels that I don't even find it funny anymore.

To allow BR Ambedkar to put this caste reservation into the constitution was the biggest conflict of interest.
 
To allow BR Ambedkar to put this caste reservation into the constitution was the biggest conflict of interest.

Actually the reservation for socially and educationally backward classes was originally a part of Directive Principles of State policy and thus was non justiciable Unless given effect by a law made in legislature.
The first amendment act of 1951 amended art 15 and introduced a new art 15(4) which empowered the state to make special provisions for the advancement of socially and educationally backward classes of citizens or SCs or STs.
In a Followup to this art 16(4) was introduced which basically gave us the menace of reservation.

Honestly I'm dumbfounded by this whole outrage from Dalits. Several reports have showed that the SC/ST act is one of the most blatantly misused law in India with people using it to settle their personal scores. And it's not like the order was passed by the executive, it was the Supreme Court which came up with it and thus allegations of discrimination are totally baseless and nonsensical.

These people are impossible really.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">10 Dalits from Etah injured allegedly after the wedding processing they were in was attacked by a group of upper caste ppl in Mainpuri. Victims allege, 'no Dalit has taken out 'barat' here for 75 yrs. Station Officer at Bewar police station was also of same caste&didn't file FIR' <a href="https://t.co/rsRHpoPa5H">pic.twitter.com/rsRHpoPa5H</a></p>— ANI UP (@ANINewsUP) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANINewsUP/status/1011623501114040321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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UP temple purified with Gangajal after visit of Dalit woman BJP MLA

In a shocking incident, a temple in Hamirpur district of Uttar Pradesh was purified with ‘Gangajal’ and statues of deities were sent to Prayag for purification with Sangam holy water after a Dalit BJP woman MLA entered the temple.

The Dalit BJP woman MLA from Raath, Manisha Anuragi had visited Muskara Khurd village in her assembly constituency on July 12 to attend a function. On the insistence of party workers, she visited the famous Dhrum Rishi temple in the village to offer prayers, not knowing that woman entry into the temple is banned.

The temple is believed to be of Mahabharat era and entry to women devotees is banned for centuries. People believe that even if a woman touches the boundary wall of the temple, the area faces natural calamities like famine etc.

“Due to an old belief, entry of women is banned inside the temple. They are allowed to pay obeisance from outside only without touching even its boundary walls,” pointed a visibly upset villager.

During her visit inside the temple, the Dalit BJP woman MLA not only offered prayers but also climbed on a sacred platform where Rishi Dhrom is believed to have held his prayers. “No one has ever dared to climb on the platform. It is a sacred place and people offer prayers by bowing down at the platform,” fumed another villager.

Under pressure of the BJP workers, the priest of the temple Swami Dayanand Mahant did not say anything to the MLA when she entered the temple and offered prayers but later on he closed the temple for purification. The priest was also annoyed that lady MLA who had entered the temple belonged to a low caste.

Upset with her visit, agitated Priest Swami Dayanad Mahant and villagers called a panchayat. They alleged that they were facing the wrath of the temple deities ever since she entered the temple. They claimed that not a drop of water rained after her visit. The panchayat then decided to purify the temple to save villagers from the wrath of deities.

The entire temple was purified with ‘Gangajal’ (Ganga water) and statues of deities were sent to Prayag (Allahabad) for purification with water of Sangam, the confluence of three holy rivers Ganga, Yamuna and Saraswati, which mythologically was dried up some 4000 years ago.

After purification with Sangam water, the statues of deities returned on Saturday and were re-installed after a religious ceremony. A Bhandara was also organized on the occasion and announcement was made that the temple was purified and re-opened for ‘darshan’ to devotees.

The Dalit BJP woman MLA Manisha Anuragi clarified that she did not know that entry of woman was banned inside temple. “I went there only after my party workers insisted to offer prayers in the temple. I would have avoided going inside the temple if I was told that woman are not allowed to enter the temple,” clarified Anuragi.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...al-after-visit-of-dalit-woman-bjp-mla-2643458
 
Under pressure of the BJP workers, the priest of the temple Swami Dayanand Mahant did not say anything to the MLA when she entered the temple and offered prayers but later on he closed the temple for purification. The priest was also annoyed that lady MLA who had entered the temple belonged to a low caste.

I hope that priest was sacked. He compromised his faith under pressure, a priest has no business assuming stewardship of a temple if he wilfully allows it's desecration by a woman of low caste.
 
I hope that priest was sacked. He compromised his faith under pressure, a priest has no business assuming stewardship of a temple if he wilfully allows it's desecration by a woman of low caste.

Must be a congress supporter. While BJP is abolishing casteism, the congressis want to keep this abomination alive.
 
There are around 30 percent plus dalits live in punjab and visits templeir gudwara daily. I dnt remember where is the verification done on the basis of castes to enter temples seriously.
Even in himachal where mostly pandits and rajpoots who are upper castes people live and many sacred temples are tgere in himachal but still never seen discrimination on the basis of castes to enter temples.
 
I hope that priest was sacked. He compromised his faith under pressure, a priest has no business assuming stewardship of a temple if he wilfully allows it's desecration by a woman of low caste.

Welcome to the politics of india. You have no idea how politocal parties try to polarize votes .its like 90 percent times all things are already fixed.
 
There are around 30 percent plus dalits live in punjab and visits templeir gudwara daily. I dnt remember where is the verification done on the basis of castes to enter temples seriously.
Even in himachal where mostly pandits and rajpoots who are upper castes people live and many sacred temples are tgere in himachal but still never seen discrimination on the basis of castes to enter temples.

They key take away from this news is the face of real Hindutva..the BJP supporters of a Dalit leader vs the backward manuwadi remnants, the face of india under congress.
 
Must be a congress supporter. While BJP is abolishing casteism, the congressis want to keep this abomination alive.

It says the priest was pressured by BJP workers to stay silent and allow the woman to desecrate the ancient holy temple in the article.
 
It says the priest was pressured by BJP workers to stay silent and allow the woman to desecrate the ancient holy temple in the article.

Exactly. The progressive BJP workers put pressure on the bigot priest to not display his backward manuwadi beliefs before them, as real Hindutva is all about the original ideas of the caste, as mentioned in the original Hindu scriptures. Where caste is not hereditary, and is the most meritocratic system known to mankind.
 
Exactly. The progressive BJP workers put pressure on the bigot priest to not display his backward manuwadi beliefs before them, as real Hindutva is all about the original ideas of the caste, as mentioned in the original Hindu scriptures. Where caste is not hereditary, and is the most meritocratic system known to mankind.
[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION], any comments?
 
Exactly. The progressive BJP workers put pressure on the bigot priest to not display his backward manuwadi beliefs before them, as real Hindutva is all about the original ideas of the caste, as mentioned in the original Hindu scriptures. Where caste is not hereditary, and is the most meritocratic system known to mankind.

The temple is believed to be Mahabharat era and entry to women devotees is banned for centuries according to the article. So does that mean Mahabharat era Hinduism itself was a mutation of the original Hindu scriptures? Very interesting, first time I am hearing this, I was under the impression that the tv series called Mahabharata was a big influence in the revival of Hindu pride in India.
 
The temple is believed to be Mahabharat era and entry to women devotees is banned for centuries according to the article. So does that mean Mahabharat era Hinduism itself was a mutation of the original Hindu scriptures? Very interesting, first time I am hearing this, I was under the impression that the tv series called Mahabharata was a big influence in the revival of Hindu pride in India.

You are too naive to believe anything that is printed. Even if we assume it is from Mahabharat era, this doesn't excuse the bigotry of the priest. Original hinduism is what is in the Rig Veda. Just like any hadith that goes against the Quraan must be discarded, any text which goes against the original definition of the caste arrangement must be rejected as biddah.

Kudos to BJP for rejecting such biddah that have crept into the glorious Hindu religion.
 
You are too naive to believe anything that is printed. Even if we assume it is from Mahabharat era, this doesn't excuse the bigotry of the priest. Original hinduism is what is in the Rig Veda. Just like any hadith that goes against the Quraan must be discarded, any text which goes against the original definition of the caste arrangement must be rejected as biddah.

Kudos to BJP for rejecting such biddah that have crept into the glorious Hindu religion.

Of course, kudos to BJP for restoring the glorious Hinduism in it's pristine form, but if you want to compare with hadith which get rejected when they contradict the Quran, then there is much scrutiny devoted to the timeline and chain of narration of such hadith, and they are of course compared to the source text of the Quran itself. So if we can clarify period of Mahabarata and the practices compared to Rig Veda, then we can indeed purify false beliefs which have crept in. That is yet another reason why that priest should have been sacked, if he is promoting a false version of Hinduism, I am disappointed the BJP workers have left him to his devices rather than removing him and replacing with someone who can promote healthy caste free Hinduism.
 
Of course, kudos to BJP for restoring the glorious Hinduism in it's pristine form, but if you want to compare with hadith which get rejected when they contradict the Quran, then there is much scrutiny devoted to the timeline and chain of narration of such hadith, and they are of course compared to the source text of the Quran itself. So if we can clarify period of Mahabarata and the practices compared to Rig Veda, then we can indeed purify false beliefs which have crept in. That is yet another reason why that priest should have been sacked, if he is promoting a false version of Hinduism, I am disappointed the BJP workers have left him to his devices rather than removing him and replacing with someone who can promote healthy caste free Hinduism.

Great that you talk about clarification and won't just believe what random people post. So I would urge you to read the Rig Veda, or any scholarly work on it and them your ignorance about the caste system will be gone. When are you doing it?
 
Great that you talk about clarification and won't just believe what random people post. So I would urge you to read the Rig Veda, or any scholarly work on it and them your ignorance about the caste system will be gone. When are you doing it?

He didnt even watch gangs of wassaypur after requested by so many people.
 
roughly how many dalits are they in india, total population.

can someone give me a rough estimate - on total population of each caste
 
I hope that priest was sacked. He compromised his faith under pressure, a priest has no business assuming stewardship of a temple if he wilfully allows it's desecration by a woman of low caste.

Thing is not low caste. Its woman. Woman are not allowed in that temple.
 
Great that you talk about clarification and won't just believe what random people post. So I would urge you to read the Rig Veda, or any scholarly work on it and them your ignorance about the caste system will be gone. When are you doing it?

I don't have plans to read it at present, but if someone can put up a thread outlining some basic information on where Mahabarata/other subsequent text divergence occurred from original teachings and why, that would be a good starting point.

He didnt even watch gangs of wassaypur after requested by so many people.

That isn't available on quality streaming services in UK, other than Youtube where you have to buy the film. I watched the trailer and it didn't look like something I would spend money on quite frankly. I am very tight fisted on spending more money as I already pay for a premium Sky/Netflix service so I don't like spending extra to watch pay per view items as a rule.

Thing is not low caste. Its woman. Woman are not allowed in that temple.

Thanks, in the article it does say that the priest was also annoyed that the woman was low caste.
 
I don't have plans to read it at present, but if someone can put up a thread outlining some basic information on where Mahabarata/other subsequent text divergence occurred from original teachings and why, that would be a good starting point.

Till that day comes when you study the Rig Veda, or wait for one of the bits and pieces historians to educate you, what will be your stand till then? Will you pretend to be certain or will you be honest that you don't know better.
 
Till that day comes when you study the Rig Veda, or wait for one of the bits and pieces historians to educate you, what will be your stand till then? Will you pretend to be certain or will you be honest that you don't know better.

I don't pretend to know detail about Rig Veda, I presumed it wasn't that important as of all the Indian posters I have seen on Pakistani websites, you are probably the only one who has given it much due. We Muslims are too used to the concept of dawah where the believers think it is their duty to spread the message of Allah, so maybe I am misinterpreting personal responsibility by expecting similar behaviour from Hindus. For this I apologise, I must realign my thinking quite clearly.
 
India should do more to uplift the indigenous peoples of the SC, and the Dalit woman is even more vulnerable, because of the weaponization of sexual politics from the upper caste male authorities :

Sexually abused and seen as the lowest of the low: life as an 'untouchable' Dalit woman


In India's caste system, the Dalits are traditionally regarded as the lowest of the low. Seen as "unclean," they are considered untouchable by the higher castes.

The country's 2011 census, the latest available, states that just over 16 percent of India's population are Dalits -- making up roughly 200 million people. According to India's National Crime Records Bureau, more than four Dalit women are raped every day in India. The NRCB's 2014 statistics say crime against Dalits rose 19%. In many of the cases, these crimes are committed by upper caste perpetrators.

Last week, a young Dalit woman in the state of Haryana reported being gang raped by a group of men, including some of the same individuals accused of raping her three years ago. Police say those suspects were out on bail awaiting trial for the previous allegations. CNN went to a village close to where the alleged incident occurred and spoke to Dalit women and asked them what life was like for them.
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"We are not allowed to enter the houses of upper caste people. We are untouchables. When they give us water to drink, they pour it on our palms to avoid any direct contact."
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"We cannot send our daughters unaccompanied to the fields, to fetch water or even to school. Men from the upper caste stare at our daughters with lustful eyes."
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https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/asia/india-dalit-caste-women/index.html
 
Gujarat: Rajputs, Dalits clash over youth sporting moustache

AHMEDABAD: Members of Dalit and Rajput communities clashed in an Ahmedabad neighbourhood after Karadia Rajputs, an OBC group, allegedly objected to a Dalit youth wearing shorts and sporting a moustache, police said on Thursday.

The clash took place in Kavitha village on Tuesday night, following which members of both the groups have filed complaints against each other at Bavla police station, P D Manvar, deputy superintendent of police, said.

He added that up to five people from the Rajput community have been detained for questioning.

In his complaint, Ramanbhai Makwana has alleged that seven people attacked his nephew Vijay on July 31, when he had gone to a shop in the village.

Makwana has alleged that the seven people, reportedly belonging to the Rajput community, made casteist slurs against Vijay for wearing shorts and keeping a moustache, a Bavla police official said.

The complainant stated that later a few Rajput men came in a pick-up truck and attacked Makwana's brother Vinubhai and the latter's sons Vijay and Sanjay.

Another police official said a few Rajput men, including Gambhirsinh Rathod, were booked on charges of attempt to murder, criminal intimidation and relevant sections of the Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act.

In his counter-complaint, Rathod has alleged that it was Vijay, along with others, who attacked them.

Rathod has told police that Vijay held a grudge against them following a verbal spat between Dalit and Rajput youths at a primary school on July 29.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65245061.cms
 
I can understand why Rajputs might object to Dalits sporting moustaches, they seem to have some association with big whiskers traditionally, but why the objection to a Dalit wearing shorts? Is it the shorts themselves or is it wearing them combined with the revered moustache which is causing indignity?

Also, never really understood why they are described as scheduled caste. Scheduled for what?
 
I can understand why Rajputs might object to Dalits sporting moustaches, they seem to have some association with big whiskers traditionally, but why the objection to a Dalit wearing shorts? Is it the shorts themselves or is it wearing them combined with the revered moustache which is causing indignity?

Also, never really understood why they are described as scheduled caste. Scheduled for what?

Scheduled for lynching and gassing. That has always been the end game of Akhand Bharat, a Nazi style execution of all people on the register as minorities, and this is supported by Modi allegedly.
 
I can understand why Rajputs might object to Dalits sporting moustaches, they seem to have some association with big whiskers traditionally, but why the objection to a Dalit wearing shorts? Is it the shorts themselves or is it wearing them combined with the revered moustache which is causing indignity?

Also, never really understood why they are described as scheduled caste. Scheduled for what?

care to explain why rajputs might object to dalits sporting mustaches
 
Scheduled for lynching and gassing. That has always been the end game of Akhand Bharat, a Nazi style execution of all people on the register as minorities, and this is supported by Modi allegedly.

This is a lie. Modi has always stood for dalit rights, himself from a backward community. The BJP voted for a dalit president, and have a good representation of dalits in their party. If you scroll above you will see how BJP supporters forced a bigot priest to fall in line. This is true Hindutva. Pure and pristine, unadulterated and unalloyed.
 
What is the Dalit experience of India like?

I'm writing an essay on Decolonization and domination as it relates to the Dalits of India and I was wondering if I could receive some insight, preferably first-hand, about the lifestyle of Dalits in India today. Is affirmative action still needed to help the former "Untouchables" reach level-footing with the rest of society? What were some key events that helped change Dalit life for the better in India?

Also, for those with historical knowledge on the subject, could you point me towards some peer-reviewed articles and/or scholarly books about the impact of colonialism on the Untouchables?
 
Dalits in cities are privileged when it comes to admission to colleges and universities. Many get admission without having good scores.
When it comes to Government jobs, they are even more privileged. They have their lots to be filled. Hence there is the controversy of many castes competing to be considered as scheduled castes or Dalits.Even among Dalits, there is division and serious competition. They have their own hierarchy.

All of the above sounds good for Dalits until they want to marry an upper caste or Backward caste person.

In villages, their condition is a lot worse. Many are low level laborers and are not allowed to mingle with upper and other middle and backward castes.

Many have climbed up the socia ladder economically. But the stigma still remains when it comes to marriages. There are over 20 crore Dalits in India. Gonna take a long long time to pull all of them up economically.
 
Here's a quite recent reference concerning Dalits by Nobel Prize laureate, Mr Sen :

Taking forward his argument about India taking a quantum leap in the wrong direction, Nobel laureate Amartya Sen defended his earlier statement that after 2014 India has taken a quantum leap in the wrong direction.

He also said that “Dalits and minorities have become victims of organised killing” and the government has to take responsibility. “Mobocracy and despotism make people live in fear. It is a terrible thing to happen, whether or not it affects the economy. The central issue is that of liberty and democracy,” he said in a televised face-off with NITI Aayog Vice-Chairman Rajiv Kumar on NDTV 24×7.

At the launch of the Hindi edition of his book, An Uncertain Glory: India And Its Contradictions. Kumar had later criticised the remark and said Sen should spend more time in India.

On Thursday, Kumar accused Sen of not doing India any good by “spreading this talk of living in fear, because you are the one who is quoted.”

https://www.thelivemirror.com/dalits-minorities-become-victims-organised-killing-amartya-sen/

Some statistics :

Dalits, or schedule castes, comprise 16.6% (201 million) of India’s population, up from 16.2% in 2001, according to Census 2011. Adivasis form 8.6% (104 million) of the country’s population, up from 8.2% over a decade.

As many as 422,799 crimes against dalits or scheduled castes (SCs) and 81,332 crimes against adivasis were reported between 2006 and 2016. The highest increases in crimes were recorded in eight states–Goa, Kerala, Delhi, Gujarat, Bihar, Maharashtra, Jharkhand and Sikkim–where rates rose over 10 times. Meanwhile 81,322 crimes against adivasis have been reported from 2006 to 2016, with the highest increases in crime rates recorded in Kerala, Karnataka and Bihar.

http://www.indiaspend.com/cover-story/over-a-decade-crime-rate-against-dalits-rose-by-746-746

According to the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) data, cognizable crimes against Dalits pending police investigation rose from 8,380 cases in 2006 to 16,654 cases in 2016, a jump of 99 percent. In Maharashtra state, where Dalits make up for 11.2 percent of the population, crimes against Dalits rose from 10.6 per 100,000 Dalits in 2006 to 13.2 in 2016.

The National Human Rights Commission’s 2010 report showed that every 18 minutes there is a crime committed against a Dalit. On an average basis, three Dalit women are raped, and two Dalits are murdered every day. An assessment of the NHRC statistics done by retired bureaucrat K.B. Saxena revealed that 37 percent of Dalits live below the poverty line.

https://theglobepost.com/2018/06/19/india-dalits-violence/

Numerous hurdles riddle the path to justice from the time a crime is committed against a Dalit until the court of law pronounces the verdict.

Even as reporting of crimes against Dalits grew by 26% over a decade to 2016, from 16.3 cases per 100,000 to 20.3 per 100,000, conviction rates remain low, IndiaSpend reported on April 4, 2018.

In the decade to 2016, across India, cognisable crimes against Dalits pending police investigation rose 99% from 8,380 cases in 2006 to 16,654 cases in 2016, according to the latest available data from the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB).

In 2016, 89.6% of crimes against Dalits were awaiting trial, which was 2.2 percentage points higher than the 87.4% of crimes against the general population awaiting trial.

In Maharashtra–where Dalits constitute 11.2% of the state’s population–crimes against Dalits rose 25%, from 10.6 per 100,000 Dalits in 2006 to 13.2 in 2016. Cases pending investigation rose 137% from 346 cases in 2006 to 821 in 2016. Cases pending trial were up 28% from 6,181 cases in 2006 to 7,913 cases in 2016, data show.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...to-deal-with-caste-issues-118042900084_1.html
 
On an average basis, three Dalit women are raped, and two Dalits are murdered every day.

If there are over 200 million Dalits, why dont they organise themselves to protest their mistreatment?
 
If there are over 200 million Dalits, why dont they organise themselves to protest their mistreatment?

200 million Dalits, 200 million Pakistanis.

It turns out that Dalit men and women are still living a safer life than an average Pakistani.

How did that happen? Could it be that a population of 200 million will never be immune from crime?
 
Numerous hurdles riddle the path to justice from the time a crime is committed against a Dalit until the court of law pronounces the verdict.

Even as reporting of crimes against Dalits grew by 26% over a decade to 2016, from 16.3 cases per 100,000 to 20.3 per 100,000, conviction rates remain low, IndiaSpend reported on April 4, 2018.

In the decade to 2016, across India, cognisable crimes against Dalits pending police investigation rose 99% from 8,380 cases in 2006 to 16,654 cases in 2016, according to the latest available data from the National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB).

In 2016, 89.6% of crimes against Dalits were awaiting trial, which was 2.2 percentage points higher than the 87.4% of crimes against the general population awaiting trial.

In Maharashtra–where Dalits constitute 11.2% of the state’s population–crimes against Dalits rose 25%, from 10.6 per 100,000 Dalits in 2006 to 13.2 in 2016. Cases pending investigation rose 137% from 346 cases in 2006 to 821 in 2016. Cases pending trial were up 28% from 6,181 cases in 2006 to 7,913 cases in 2016, data show.

Because you are so smart, I expect you to compare these numbers to rest of the Indian population. Are Dalits the only one seeing a greater number of reported crime? Give us some context.
 
200 million Dalits, 200 million Pakistanis.

It turns out that Dalit men and women are still living a safer life than an average Pakistani.

How did that happen? Could it be that a population of 200 million will never be immune from crime?

3 Dalit women being raped a day is not a problem for you?
 
200 million Dalits, 200 million Pakistanis.

It turns out that Dalit men and women are still living a safer life than an average Pakistani.

How did that happen? Could it be that a population of 200 million will never be immune from crime?

You're again into poor apologetic gymnastics, the situation of Dalits has a lot to do with the caste system, it's not "normal" crime, but discrimination against them systematically used and upheld by upper caste Hindus in the name of tradition. You remind me of the anti BLM who say that African-Americans shouldn't complain about being sur represented in the police kills because Whites are also killed - well obviously they are, but there's not the whole context around it.

Thank you for teaching the world that crime is universal tho.
 
They are still 400% less likely to be raped than an average Pakistani woman. Embarrassing that you need portray crime as something exclusive to a particular community, all for internet point scoring.

https://nation.com.pk/24-Dec-2015/a...an-how-long-are-we-going-to-let-that-continue

You keep bringing up Pakistan when threads are related to India. Its every 20 mins in India.

So let me make this clear, you are saying it's not a problem for you because 3 Da;lit women raped daily is fine because it happens in other nations? It's not because they are Dalit but because they are women?
 
[MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] go tell them that it's not because of the caste system, you seem to know better :

A survey of around 1,500 people of South Asian origin in the United States confirms that Dalits there face various types of caste discrimination in South Asian American institutions. This discrimination ranges from derogatory jokes and slurs to physical violence and sexual assault.

A report of the 2016 survey, titled “Caste in the United States: A Survey of Caste Among South Asian Americans”, was released on Thursday. It comes months after the California State Board of Education approved changes in 10 textbooks that dilute the role of caste among South Asians and push a Hindu nationalist view of South Asian history.

“While many of us who grow up Dalit American have known that caste discrimination has existed in the United States for a long time, the lack of data and interest from savarna scholars in pursuing this problem led to this being unstudied for a very long time,” said Thenmozhi Soundararajan, co-author of the report and executive director of Equality Labs, which published the report.

In the survey, around 26% of Dalit respondents said they had faced physical violence because of their caste while 20% reported discrimination at their work places. When it came to religion, 40% were made to feel unwelcome at their places of worship, the report said. And 40% of Dalits said they had been rejected as romantic partners because of their caste. In all, 60% of Dalits reported that they had experienced caste-based derogatory jokes and comments.
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https://scroll.in/article/872964/my...caste-discrimination-among-south-asians-in-us
 
You keep bringing up Pakistan when threads are related to India. Its every 20 mins in India.

So let me make this clear, you are saying it's not a problem for you because 3 Da;lit women raped daily is fine because it happens in other nations? It's not because they are Dalit but because they are women?

May be you should be presenting smarter arguments then.

No community is immune from crime worldwide, and to present crime against Dalits as some sort of discrimination is another 3rd grade tactic posters like you and ekindu have been using.

A community of 200 million sees 3 rapes and 2 murders a day. Is this discrimination or crime?
 
This is a highly subjective subject in case of India.

If you will ask a north Indian or a south Indian or north east Indian or even in west part of India, you'll get very different pictures.

That's why, if you are writing an essay about dalit experience, you have to mention what part of India you are taking into context. Because otherwise it'll differ a lot.
 
May be you should be presenting smarter arguments then.

No community is immune from crime worldwide, and to present crime against Dalits as some sort of discrimination is another 3rd grade tactic posters like you and ekindu have been using.

A community of 200 million sees 3 rapes and 2 murders a day. Is this discrimination or crime?

Its fair to assume most aren't even reported.

According to you there is no discrimination or targetting of Dalits. You have taken apologist mentally to another level.
 
May be you should be presenting smarter arguments then.

No community is immune from crime worldwide, and to present crime against Dalits as some sort of discrimination is another 3rd grade tactic posters like you and ekindu have been using.

A community of 200 million sees 3 rapes and 2 murders a day. Is this discrimination or crime?

Dude the WHOLE POINT is that they're subject to violence BECAUSE of their caste, OBVIOUSLY every community has crime but that's NOT the point.

Sexually abused and seen as the lowest of the low: life as an 'untouchable' Dalit woman

In India's caste system, the Dalits are traditionally regarded as the lowest of the low. Seen as "unclean," they are considered untouchable by the higher castes.

The country's 2011 census, the latest available, states that just over 16 percent of India's population are Dalits -- making up roughly 200 million people. According to India's National Crime Records Bureau, more than four Dalit women are raped every day in India. The NRCB's 2014 statistics say crime against Dalits rose 19%. In many of the cases, these crimes are committed by upper caste perpetrators.

Last week, a young Dalit woman in the state of Haryana reported being gang raped by a group of men, including some of the same individuals accused of raping her three years ago. Police say those suspects were out on bail awaiting trial for the previous allegations. CNN went to a village close to where the alleged incident occurred and spoke to Dalit women and asked them what life was like for them.

"I wish I wasn't born as a Dalit woman. We are the easiest targets for any sexual or physical abuse in our society."

"We are not allowed to enter the houses of upper caste people. We are untouchables. When they give us water to drink, they pour it on our palms to avoid any direct contact."
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https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/asia/india-dalit-caste-women/index.html
 
[MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] go tell them that it's not because of the caste system, you seem to know better :



https://scroll.in/article/872964/my...caste-discrimination-among-south-asians-in-us

Stop dodging my question.

You highlighted the Dalit plight by giving us increase in the number of reported crimes against them. I am asking you for similar stats for rest of the Indian population. Your numbers would make sense if the increase in crime is exclusively against Dalit.

As for a social bias against them, no one is denying that.
 
Its fair to assume most aren't even reported.

According to you there is no discrimination or targetting of Dalits. You have taken apologist mentally to another level.

Talk about discrimination against Dalits or Muslims, I would accept it. There is an inherent social bias against them, specially in smaller towns.

But the argument you presented above was weak. For a population of 200 million, they are actually way less susceptible to crime than most South Asians.
 
Stop dodging my question.

You highlighted the Dalit plight by giving us increase in the number of reported crimes against them. I am asking you for similar stats for rest of the Indian population. Your numbers would make sense if the increase in crime is exclusively against Dalit.

As for a social bias against them, no one is denying that.

Have you read the links ? They say that the increase of crime is LINKED WITH THE CASTE DISCRIMINATION, like these AMERICAN Dalits themselves say. It's not "normal" crime, which OFC exists everywhere, but crime supported, rationalized and justified by the Hindu traditional varna system.

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The NCRB report for 2015 shows the national rape statistics of Dalit girls/women went up by 15.41 per cent while the increase in Haryana was 167 per cent.

Rape of Dalit women in fact has emerged as special weapon to punish the Dalit community for a variety of reasons. Historically they have claimed a special entitlement to Dalit women. In several villages the newly married Dalit women were customarily required to spend the first wedding night with the landowner. More generally they have been sexually exploited (read raped) for years.
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https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/c...s-sustain-haryana-s-rape-epidemic/658669.html

And I'm glad you finally admit there's "social bias", but what an euphemism, sounds like you're talking of mocking fat peoples or something while it's WAY more serious. That's literally from few days ago :

Uttar Pradesh: Denied installation of idol in temple, 100 Dalit families threaten conversion

https://www.timesnownews.com/mirror...arbage-from-bannerghatta-national-park/297505

Erasing caste from hate crime

What do you call the brutal murder of Pranay Kumar, a Dalit youth, in Miryalaguda, Telangana on September 14? Is it just another murder or an instance of hate crime or a case of caste atrocity? The media innocently dubbed it “honour killing”. Dalit activists objected to this term since it presented the point of view of the upper caste parents of his wife, Amrutha Varshini, accused of plotting the murder. The criticism led the killing to be described as a caste atrocity.

https://indianexpress.com/article/o...-kumar-murder-nalgonda-caste-killing-5399929/

You can see it's not "normal" crime, upper caste Hindus think they can literally get away with murder in case of Dalits because Dalits are barely considered humans.
 
Talk about discrimination against Dalits or Muslims, I would accept it. There is an inherent social bias against them, specially in smaller towns.

But the argument you presented above was weak. For a population of 200 million, they are actually way less susceptible to crime than most South Asians.

Its not my argument, links have been provided. I guess reporters and human rights organistaions are lying and you know better.
 
Its not my argument, links have been provided. I guess reporters and human rights organistaions are lying and you know better.

You quoted stats where Dalits came out 400% safer than an average Pakistani man or woman, and you used them to prove a point about their mistreatment. That was a logic fail, of course a community of 200 million won't be immune from crime.

Have you read the links ? They say that the increase of crime is LINKED WITH THE CASTE DISCRIMINATION, like these AMERICAN Dalits themselves say. It's not "normal" crime, which OFC exists everywhere, but crime supported, rationalized and justified by the Hindu traditional varna system.



https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/c...s-sustain-haryana-s-rape-epidemic/658669.html

And I'm glad you finally admit there's "social bias", but what an euphemism, sounds like you're talking of mocking fat peoples or something while it's WAY more serious. That's literally from few days ago :

Uttar Pradesh: Denied installation of idol in temple, 100 Dalit families threaten conversion

https://www.timesnownews.com/mirror...arbage-from-bannerghatta-national-park/297505

Erasing caste from hate crime



https://indianexpress.com/article/o...-kumar-murder-nalgonda-caste-killing-5399929/

You can see it's not "normal" crime, upper caste Hindus think they can literally get away with murder in case of Dalits because Dalits are barely considered humans.

From your own link, rape cases against Dalit women went up by 15.4% while the number was 167% for the rest. But of course, you chose to highlight that 15.4% ignoring others. That makes your stats not just pointless, but intentionally deceiving too.

As for your social discrimination points, I wouldn't disagree. News of Dalit exploitation does come up often, but things are definitely moving towards the right direction and a lot of things that used to be a norm a few decades ago are rarely seen today.
 
From your own link, rape cases against Dalit women went up by 15.4% while the number was 167% for the rest. But of course, you chose to highlight that 15.4% ignoring others. That makes your stats not just pointless, but intentionally deceiving too.

As for your social discrimination points, I wouldn't disagree. News of Dalit exploitation does come up often, but things are definitely moving towards the right direction and a lot of things that used to be a norm a few decades ago are rarely seen today.

lol the 167% it's the rise in rape against Dalits in HARYANA specifically, because it's more paindoo and with the panchayats and all that sexual violence on Dalit women is more significiant, esp. if you add the sexual imbalance thanks to female infanticide perpetuated over time, it's not about the rise of rape "as a whole" :

Jatland Of Haryana: A Rapists’ Republic

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Dalits live in perpetual fear of Jats in Haryana. The sex starved Jats on account of acute shortage of women (there are just 877 women for each 1000, far below the national average of 940 as per census 2011) are known to indulge in incests with impunity. But when the khap panchyats issued its fatwa against the within-clan marriages, they turned to softer targets in Dalit girls. The National Crime Research Bureau (NCRB) reports shows how the rapes on Dalit girls/women have consistently gone up from 21 in 2007 to 56 in 2011. While the national rape on Dalit girl/woman went up by 15.41% over the period, the increase in Haryana was whooping 167 %. In a single month of September 2012, there have been 19 gangrapes on Dalit girls. Among these was a 16-year-old girl, who was gangraped by a dozen upper-caste men in Darba village of Haryana’s Hisar district on 9 September. The rapists had filmed the horrific act and circulated the video.
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https://www.countercurrents.org/teltumbde031112.htm

I don't think you can actually even understand what you read, but yeah Dalit activists are all lying, and even average Dalits in the US, and Amartya Sen is wrong when he says it's actually going in the wrong direction (many have linked it with the BJP coming into power, even if the party itself played politics with the Dalit card), but what would he know he's just a biased Nobel Prize laureate and not even a bhakht, can you just imagine.
 
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I'm writing an essay on Decolonization and domination as it relates to the Dalits of India and I was wondering if I could receive some insight, preferably first-hand, about the lifestyle of Dalits in India today. Is affirmative action still needed to help the former "Untouchables" reach level-footing with the rest of society? What were some key events that helped change Dalit life for the better in India?

Also, for those with historical knowledge on the subject, could you point me towards some peer-reviewed articles and/or scholarly books about the impact of colonialism on the Untouchables?

A recently acclaimed book on the experience of a Dalit family in Andhra Pradesh is Sujatha Gidla's Ants Among Elephants.

For a scholarly work on caste in India from the colonial era onwards, Susan Bayly's Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the Modern Age although now somewhat dated is still highly regarded.
 
200 million Dalits, 200 million Pakistanis.

It turns out that Dalit men and women are still living a safer life than an average Pakistani.

How did that happen? Could it be that a population of 200 million will never be immune from crime?

You seem to be pulling out a lot of random facts about Pakistan that are questionable at best, and outright lies at worst. How about we focus on the topic at hand? Do you have anything scholarly to add to the discussion or will you take your denial somewhere else?

This is a highly subjective subject in case of India.

If you will ask a north Indian or a south Indian or north east Indian or even in west part of India, you'll get very different pictures.

That's why, if you are writing an essay about dalit experience, you have to mention what part of India you are taking into context. Because otherwise it'll differ a lot.

Good point, however I'm wary of running into the problem of not having enough resources if I focus on a specific region.

A recently acclaimed book on the experience of a Dalit family in Andhra Pradesh is Sujatha Gidla's Ants Among Elephants.

For a scholarly work on caste in India from the colonial era onwards, Susan Bayly's Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the Modern Age although now somewhat dated is still highly regarded.

Thank you for this, exactly the kind of stuff I am looking for.
 
Its not my argument, links have been provided. I guess reporters and human rights organistaions are lying and you know better.

Didn't you say links don't mean anything when it came to Chinese Muslim cases?
 
Maybe you should try contacting them yourself, there are many "communities" in fb and others where you can email and communicate with them and ask them for their experiences , don't think books and forums can give a clear picture.

Also it depends upon states, each state the experience will be different.
 
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One of the main reasons India can’t succeed economically as nation. Have too many castes; too many different languages and cultures and they all bring different agenda. People from different states aren’t fond of each other and there is a prejudice in every walk of society; job interviews, marriage/ relationships or political selections.

That’s why one universal language and cultural uniformity is the foremost requirement for national progression. A dude from Florida speaks English, a dude from Boston also speaks English, and a gal from California speaks English as well and they are all equal Americans.
 
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Its stupidity to compare the socioeconomic and cultural factor of American to the same in case of India without taking any aspect of history.
 
I'm writing an essay on Decolonization and domination as it relates to the Dalits of India and I was wondering if I could receive some insight, preferably first-hand, about the lifestyle of Dalits in India today. Is affirmative action still needed to help the former "Untouchables" reach level-footing with the rest of society? What were some key events that helped change Dalit life for the better in India?

Also, for those with historical knowledge on the subject, could you point me towards some peer-reviewed articles and/or scholarly books about the impact of colonialism on the Untouchables?

What are the chances of getting a first hand account? I don't think I've ever seen a Dalit posting on a Pakistani forum, even if they do read they don't usually come out and say, "hey, I'm a Dalit, this is my take on it".

I don't know if that is because they don't have interest, access to the web, or just don't admit because of social stigma. Would be great to get a first hand account of life in India though.
 
3 Dalit women being raped a day is not a problem for you?

More than 3 upper caste and backward women are also raped.

Woman are not raped just because they are Dalit. They are raped for being a woman. It does not matter which caste they belong to.
 
Maybe you should try contacting them yourself, there are many "communities" in fb and others where you can email and communicate with them and ask them for their experiences , don't think books and forums can give a clear picture.

Also it depends upon states, each state the experience will be different.

Don't make this harder for me! Not required to do any primary research and I'm happy to not go above and beyond.

More than 3 upper caste and backward women are also raped.

Woman are not raped just because they are Dalit. They are raped for being a woman. It does not matter which caste they belong to.

This is true and most of these studies are inaccurate.
 
I have to say, B.D. Ambedkar's Annihilation of Caste is a fantastic read.
 
Dalits can not escape the stigma of caste discrimination even within the indian diaspora in western countries. There is a book "British Untouchables" that i recommend reading.

https://books.google.ca/books/about...l?id=_cxeNKGWK9AC&source=kp_cover&redir_esc=y

British Untouchables: A Study of Dalit Identity and Education
Paul A. Singh Ghuman

British Untouchables provides a major study on the issues facing the education of Dalit children and young people growing up in Britain. The book is based on extensive field work and uses a qualitative research methodology, including in-depth interviews with parents, teachers and children, and detailed observations in homes and schools. It offers a detailed view of areas such as socialisation of children, schooling and education, examination success, parental perceptions of education, bilingualism, acculturation patterns, cultural conflicts and cast and social identities, caste prejudice and racial discrimination.

Read about the Dalit community in Canada

Indian caste system in Canada called 'a disease' worse than racism

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...-called-a-disease-worse-than-racism-1.3090441

https://nationalpost.com/news/we-ar...e-sting-of-indias-caste-system-even-in-canada

‘We are zero’: Immigrant says she can't escape sting of India's caste system, even in Canada
 
I'm writing an essay on Decolonization and domination as it relates to the Dalits of India and I was wondering if I could receive some insight, preferably first-hand, about the lifestyle of Dalits in India today. Is affirmative action still needed to help the former "Untouchables" reach level-footing with the rest of society? What were some key events that helped change Dalit life for the better in India?

Also, for those with historical knowledge on the subject, could you point me towards some peer-reviewed articles and/or scholarly books about the impact of colonialism on the Untouchables?

It's a mixed bag. Thanks to democracy, the Dalits have seen an increase in their political power. Politicians like Kanshi Ram and his protege Mayawati were very successful. Unfortunately Mayawati could not deliver much to the people when she became Chief Minister of India's most populous state.

Economically the Dalits remain at the bottom, not unlike African-Americans in the US. With the economy growing at a rapid rate, many of them are coming out of poverty, though they still lag the other communities.

Overall I would say that Dalits have made significant improvements in terms of political power. As for economic power, the improvement has been in absolute terms, but not relative to other communities.
 
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Uttarakhand: Dalit man dies after upper-caste men beat him for sitting and eating in front of them

A Dalit youth died on Sunday, days after he was allegedly beaten up by a group of men from an upper-caste community in Tehri district of Uttarakhand, PTI reported. The 23-year-old was assaulted on April 26, purportedly for sitting on a chair and eating in front of the upper-caste group at a wedding reception.

Jitendra Das succumbed to his injuries while undergoing treatment at a Dehradun hospital.

On April 29, the man’s sister filed a complaint against a group of seven men. The accused have been identified as Gajendra Singh, Soban Singh, Kushal Singh, Gabbar Singh, Gambhir Singh, Harbir Singh and Hukum Singh. A case was filed against them under the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act.

After his death, his relatives and villagers staged a protest outside the Coronation Hospital in Dehradun where his body was taken for a postmortem examination, The Times of India reported.

His sister Pooja Das told The Times of India that the incident occurred at her cousin’s wedding. “My brother made the mistake that he took food from the same counter from where upper-caste people were eating,” she said. “He then sat on a chair next to them. They said that this lower-caste [person] cannot sit and eat along with us.”

She claimed that the accused were threatening the family to withdraw the case.

Sandeep Khanna, a panchayat member who accompanied the family to Dehradun, told the daily that the police took a very long time to register the case and had failed to make an arrest. “They deployed such a large number of police to stop us but they have failed to arrest a single accused,” Khanna said.

Narendra Nagar Circle Officer Uttam Singh said that they could not find any eyewitnesses in the case, Hindustan Times reported. “Further action will be taken after his post-mortem examination report is received,” the circle officer said.

Director General (Law and Order) Ashok Kumar said strict action will be taken against the accused.

https://scroll.in/latest/922440/utt...t-him-for-sitting-and-eating-in-front-of-them
 
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