The plight of the Dalit community in India

@Vegitto - Who denied it?

Who is getting defensive? If it was a Hindu or Muslim or anyone the same posts would have been written.
 
Thanks for pointing those out, but if you hadn't noticed, my fellow muslim brothers had offered condolences before me. For us that is sufficient.

In this thread, 2 Hindus posted before me yet because it was a Muslim Dalit, no one thought necessary to offer condolences, because a death of a Dalit in India is a non-issue.

So now RIP business is being outsourced to other fellow muslims.

BTW, he was not a muslim dalit. LOL.

He was asked to take an oath in a TEMPLE. Sons name is nadram. more self ownage.
 
Thanks for pointing those out, but if you hadn't noticed, my fellow muslim brothers had offered condolences before me. For us that is sufficient.

In this thread, 2 Hindus posted before me yet because it was a Muslim Dalit, no one thought necessary to offer condolences, because a death of a Dalit in India is a non-issue.

:facepalm:

You think that's why we didn't do it.

Man, this attitude is great for this forum.
 
RIP, boy these gang members have no respect for there elders. It is sickening.
 
In this thread, 2 Hindus posted before me yet because it was a Muslim Dalit, no one thought necessary to offer condolences, because a death of a Dalit in India is a non-issue.

What does them being Hindus have to do with this discussion, are we going to prejudge every member's intentions and thoughts on this forum on their religion now? And fyi the elderly person was a Hindu, I know it may be shocking for you to know that Hindu goons just don't focus on Muslims only.
 
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SP is the scum of this earth. Bunch of thugs.
The sooner they are eradicated the better for the country.
 
On behalf of the Hindu members here, even though I'm not, R.I.P to the elderly man.
 
Anyone who votes for SP, BSP should have his brain checked.

RIP and condolences to whole dalit community. We are with you.
 
Triple murder of Dalit family rocks Maharashtra

In what appears to be a case of caste violence, a Dalit family of three was savagely murdered and their mutilated body parts dispersed on a farm in Maharashtra’s Ahmednagar district, around 180 km from Pune.

According to sources, the gruesome murders of Sanjay Jadhav (42), his wife Jayashree (38) and their teenage son Sunil (19) took place after midnight on October 21 in the sparsely populated village of Javkhede Khalasa-Kasarwadi in Pathardi Taluk.

Relatives strongly suspect the incident to be a case of ‘honour killing’. “Rumours of an illicit affair between a married lady in an upper-caste household, who lived adjacent to the Jadhav’s farm, and a member in the Jadhav family, had been festering for more than a year. This may have led to such a savage retribution,” said a relative of the family.

At the time of the crime, Mr. Jadhav, a mason by profession, was staying in his makeshift home on his acre-and-a-half farm plot with his wife and his son. Sunil, pursuing his Diploma in Dairy Science from Goregaon in Mumbai, had come over for Diwali holidays.

“We rushed to their home on Tuesday after some farm labourers informed us of their absence. We found blood spattered and household items strewn everywhere,” Dilip Jadhav, his elder brother, told The Hindu, recounting the horrific incident.

Mr. Jadhav’s relatives mounted a frantic search for the trio at the Ahmednagar district hospital, but drew a blank when they reached there.

“On returning to my brother’s field, we decided to search the well. We found some body parts floating in the water,” says Suresh Jadhav, another of Mr. Jadhav’s brothers.

An ominous silence has descended on the village and the Dalit hamlet of Jadhavwadi in the aftermath of the triple murder, with tight police security in place for the funeral. The Pathardi police said they had dispatched teams to several places to locate the murderers.

The homicide has traumatised Mr. Jadhav’s aged parents, Jagannath (75) and Sakharbai (70), who haven’t spoken a word since the crime.

The incident has drawn sharp condemnations from the Dalit community. “There were no previous incidents of caste tension in Pathardi earlier. The sheer ferocity of the murders has profoundly disturbed the sentiments of the community,” said Sunil Salve, a local Dalit activist.

“Sunil’s torso was found only on Wednesday evening, before which the family’s last rites could not be conducted. The murders simply beggar description,” said a stunned Anandraj Ambedkar, chief of the Republican Sena. Alleging that the police and district administration was corrupt, Mr. Ambedkar said that the Ahmednagar police did not do act when a Dalit youth was beaten to death earlier this year.

When contacted, Ahmednagar Superintendent of Police Lakhmi Gautam said no arrests had been made so far.“We have not picked anybody as yet. Various angles are being explored,” he told The Hindu, refusing to comment on the possible motives of the killers.

Ahmednagar has been a hotbed of atrocities against Dalits in the recent past, with a similarly gory precedent found in the January 2013 Sonai murder case. There, the mutilated bodies of three Dalit youths, who worked as sweepers, were found in a septic tank in Sonai village, hacked to death.

Dalit leader and president of the Republican Party of India (A) Ramdas Athawale, while demanding a CID probe into the incident, has urged that Ahmednagar be declared as an ‘atrocity-prone area’.


Honour killings. :facepalm:

What is honourable about killing e members of a family because one person had dared to have relations with an upper caste lady?
 
The murder is sad. Why give it a caste spin?

Guy-1 was messing with Guy-2's wife. The Guy-2 went crazy and killed everyone in the family of the Guy-1. I will leave it at that.
 
So much for "caste doesn't exist anymore". But the reality is not only it exists but innocents get killed over this.
 
So much for "caste doesn't exist anymore". But the reality is not only it exists but innocents get killed over this.

Do you think the guy would have given a slap on the wrist if his wife had extra marital relations with an upper caste guy?
 
Do you think the guy would have given a slap on the wrist if his wife had extra marital relations with an upper caste guy?
Upper caste guy would probably be rich and more educated so obviously he can bribe the police to keep the guy-1 quite or can afford guns to defend himself. How many millionaire Dalits are there?
 
Upper caste guy would probably be rich and more educated so obviously he can bribe the police to keep the guy-1 quite or can afford guns to defend himself. How many millionaire Dalits are there?

Ok if was a poor upper caste guy with no political clout, then?
 
Ok if was a poor upper caste guy with no political clout, then?
Still no reason to kill someone over small things. Its very easy to divorce but now that would be shameful since divorce is considered disgraceful in male dominated societies like Sub-Continent.
 
Upper caste guy would probably be rich and more educated so obviously he can bribe the police to keep the guy-1 quite or can afford guns to defend himself. How many millionaire Dalits are there?

Not all Upper Caste are rich. Only a few upper caste communities are usually rich.

Afford guns? Cowboy style? No political party wants to anger Dalits if they want to win elections. Especially in the south. Dalits are improving with reservations. There are almost 40 crores of Dalits and tribals in India. That is more than the population of Pak and Bangla combined. Their upliftment is not going to happen in this century.
 
Still no reason to kill someone over small things. Its very easy to divorce but now that would be shameful since divorce is considered disgraceful in male dominated societies like Sub-Continent.

Not defending the murderer. But anybody would go insane if he finds that his wife of many years and the mother of his children was sleeping with some random guy on the street right under his nose.

The guy should have calmed down and gotten a divorce like you said. But Indian men get way too emotional when their wives cheat on them. Its an insult to their manhood.

In my childhood some guy burnt down the hut of his neighbor killing everyone there because he suspected his wife was sleeping with his neighbor. They are all Dalits by the way.
 
Relatives strongly suspect the incident to be a case of ‘honour killing’. “Rumours of an illicit affair between a married lady in an upper-caste household, who lived adjacent to the Jadhav’s farm, and a member in the Jadhav family, had been festering for more than a year. This may have led to such a savage retribution,” said a relative of the family.

This is hardly the case of honor killing and caste. This is personal grudge motivated by allegedly illicit affair. Not many men are strong enough to stomach this.
 
A question to Indias:

Can you ever shed the dalit caste and become part of an upper caste? Or is that sth you take to the grave no matter how successful your life has been?

do dalits aspire to be upper cast or are they just happy with the lot that is handed to them by the religion. is it even possible?
 
A question to Indias:

Can you ever shed the dalit caste and become part of an upper caste? Or is that sth you take to the grave no matter how successful your life has been?

do dalits aspire to be upper cast or are they just happy with the lot that is handed to them by the religion. is it even possible?

You cannot climb up the ladder anymore. That thing has stopped almost 2000 years ago with the advent of Manu smriti which laid strict boundaries for castes. Intermixing of genes with Dalits was prohibited.

Funny thing is, there are quite a few fake Dalits in India now. You can get reservations and free ride if you are a Dalit in India. People produce fake birth certificates claiming to be Dalit. Anything to cheat the system.

At least in cities people do not care about caste of the other person unless it comes to marriage.
 
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Some Indians in the web are on about how such things never happen in India:uakmal Truthfully, they are no better then us whatsoever when it comes to killing in the name of religion.
 
You cannot climb up the ladder anymore. That thing has stopped almost 2000 years ago with the advent of Manu smriti which laid strict boundaries for castes. Intermixing of genes with Dalits was prohibited.

Funny thing is, there are quite a few fake Dalits in India now. You can get reservations and free ride if you are a Dalit in India. People produce fake birth certificates claiming to be Dalit. Anything to cheat the system.

At least in cities people do not care about caste of the other person unless it comes to marriage
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Yes unfortunately that seems to be a problem in the educated classes too.

knew of an indian couple in college who were afraid to make their relationship public to their families because they were from different castes :facepalm:

Pehlay religion mai masla ho parents ko. Agar apnay religion ki bhi ho tu koi aur keeray nikaalain ge :facepalm:
 
Some Indians in the web are on about how such things never happen in India:uakmal Truthfully, they are no better then us whatsoever when it comes to killing in the name of religion.

they don't blow themselves up in markets
 
they don't blow themselves up in markets

Pakistanis didn't either before the war on terror. In any case this isn't a case of religious murder, it's more related to honour killing as some societies still cannot accept relations between people from a different social class, in this case the rigid caste system which dictates higher castes are not allowed to mingle with lower castes, worst of all the untouchables.
 
Another thing, if castes don't matter in cities and maybe to some extent in rural areas then why not remove them from the society completely? What is the point of giving handouts to them and keep reminding them that they belong to low class?
 
Still no reason to kill someone over small things. Its very easy to divorce but now that would be shameful since divorce is considered disgraceful in male dominated societies like Sub-Continent.

Who is talking about that? Or denying that? The point is lower caste or upper caste - this killing would have been done. So this is a violent reaction to an adultery issue. Not a caste issue.
 
Some Indians in the web are on about how such things never happen in India:uakmal Truthfully, they are no better then us whatsoever when it comes to killing in the name of religion.

No. Applying to the extreme is not right. % and no of events that happen matter. Minorities in India are growing. Not declining. A few riot prone areas don't mean the whole nation is against a religion.
 
Who is talking about that? Or denying that? The point is lower caste or upper caste - this killing would have been done. So this is a violent reaction to an adultery issue. Not a caste issue.

I never realised adultery was such a big deal in India where punishment by death across all castes was considered normal. But you learn something new every day.
 
I never realised adultery was such a big deal in India where punishment by death across all castes was considered normal. But you learn something new every day.

Sarcasm fail. No one said that. Just saying adultery can make some nut cases people take crazy decisions. So its not necessarily a caste issue. Please read a comment in the context its made.
 
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Sarcasm fail. No one said that. Just saying adultery can make some nut cases people take crazy decisions. So its not necessarily a caste issue. Please read a comment in the context its made.

There wasn't any sarcasm in there, I just quoted back your words and now you are claiming perceived sarcasm as your defence. Well I've been here before quite recently but it's not impressive.
 
There wasn't any sarcasm in there, I just quoted back your words and now you are claiming perceived sarcasm as your defence. Well I've been here before quite recently but it's not impressive.

Sarcasm as my defense?

See this comment:

I never realised adultery was such a big deal in India where punishment by death across all castes was considered normal. But you learn something new every day.

I rest my case.

You didn't quote my words back. You misinterpreted it. Took a sarcastic dig at it. I pointed it out and clarified what I meant. Now you are the one being defensive bro. Not sure why.
 
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Sarcasm as my defense?

See this comment:



I rest my case.

You didn't quote my words back. You misinterpreted it. Took a sarcastic dig at it. I pointed it out and clarified what I meant. Now you are the one being defensive bro. Not sure why.

What was sarcastic about that? I didn't realise adultery was a big deal in India which is punishable by death. You clarified it and I registered my surprise. I'm sure many others who live outside India might be equally surprised.
 
What was sarcastic about that? I didn't realise adultery was a big deal in India which is punishable by death. You clarified it and I registered my surprise. I'm sure many others who live outside India might be equally surprised.

It is NOT punishable by death. Death happens in case of adultery if some nut case loses his cool and hires someone to do the killing (unlawfully of course). So this issue may not be a caste issue and just a general adultery issue. That's what I said.
 
Another thing, if castes don't matter in cities and maybe to some extent in rural areas then why not remove them from the society completely? What is the point of giving handouts to them and keep reminding them that they belong to low class?


for quota in government jobs. Even dalits wants to remain as dalits for this. The SC quota in government jobs, education, government schemes are all in favor of dalits. I'm a big supporter of this welfare schemes.
 
No. Applying to the extreme is not right. % and no of events that happen matter. Minorities in India are growing. Not declining. A few riot prone areas don't mean the whole nation is against a religion.

The very same applies to Pakistan. Not all minorities are oppressed neither are we in a civil war situation like you people seems to think.
 
The very same applies to Pakistan. Not all minorities are oppressed neither are we in a civil war situation like you people seems to think.

Of course, no good people would ever kill for religion be it in India or Pakistan. But when problem happens in a widespread way, people talk about it. Like rapes in India. Doesn't mean good guys do it. Also bro, don't get me wrong, but hasn't minorities dwindled in Pakistan in a consistent way right from 1947? Its not like its a sudden issue, is it?
 
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This site is just going down in standards because of immature Indian and Pakistanis, Christians gets killed in Pakistan thread & Pakistanis retaliate with Dalits gets killed in India.... Childish behavior to say the least .......

This thread was dead, absolutely dead. Suddenly this guy Fazzy bumps it and all of sudden its on verge of multiple pages.

Check out his profile, all meaning less 1 liners. He is too impatient, wants to increase his post count.
 
This site is just going down in standards because of immature Indian and Pakistanis, Christians gets killed in Pakistan thread & Pakistanis retaliate with Dalits gets killed in India.... Childish behavior to say the least .......

Both threads are not pointless, We need contribution of posters like [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] with facts and figures in this thread too
 
sad to see such violent reaction to adultery. why not just go for a divorce, instead of ending others lives.
 
Of course, no good people would ever kill for religion be it in India or Pakistan. But when problem happens in a widespread way, people talk about it. Like rapes in India. Doesn't mean good guys do it. Also bro, don't get me wrong, but hasn't minorities dwindled in Pakistan in a consistent way right from 1947? Its not like its a sudden issue, is it?

Not really about the minorities thing if you remember that there were always more Hindu's in East Pakistan now Bangladesh then west or today's Pakistan. This is not to say that we have a lot to learn in respecting our non-Muslims.
 
How? Are there examples of prospering minorities?

There are many successful Pakistani non-Muslims like Justice Bhagwandas, Michael Nazir Ali, Shallum Xavier and Deepak Perwani. There has never been open genocide of non-Muslims in Pakistan like in India where the government has often supported murder of non-Hindu's.

Many non-Muslims in Karachi and Islamabad live well though we can do a lot better.
 
Maharasthta, the land of ambedkar, now has a brahmin CM. it has also had a muslim CM. despite both brahmins and muslims being minorities. when will a dalit become CM of maharasthtra?
 
Yes, absolutely. Pls tell this to Asia Bibi. I hope she will understand ur sentiment.

I did not say such things do not happen. Asia Bibi is no more important to all the Muslim's being killed in various countries.
 
Nana Patekar, Amol Palekar to protest against Dalits killings in Maharashtra


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...atekar-amol-palekar-maharashtra/1/400769.html

A famous Bollywood star has spoken out against this today and this comment from a political leader Delwai is indicative of the real problem:

"Atrocities against Dalits and tribals have increased over a period of time. The conviction rate is only 5.5 per cent and many of them are living under tremendous fear. The protest is to show solidarity towards the society and the backward class people who are still not getting justice," Congress MP Husain Dalwai, who runs the NGO, told reporters in Mumbai on Thursday evening.
 
Dalit groom wears helmet during marriage procession as upper caste people threw stones

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A Dalit groom had to wear a helmet during his marriage procession at Negrun in the district as upper caste people in the village threw stones at him for riding a horse. They then took away the animal.

At least five persons, including an Additional Tahsildar, K.L. Jain, were injured in the attack in the night of May 10, Suresh Balraj, who is in charge of the Taal police station, said on Tuesday.

The police have registered a case against 72 people under sections of the Indian Penal Code and the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989. A case of arson was registered against four others. The bride’s father, Puralal, said the upper caste people in the village had opposed the idea of the groom, Pavan, riding a horse and took away the animal.

“Sensing trouble, I had informed the police in advance following which SDOP and SDM reached the village along with some force to ensure that the marriage procession passed through without trouble,” he said.

After one horse was taken away, another was arranged by the family, and in the presence of policemen, the procession was taken out with the groom riding the horse.

However, the stone-throwing started again. The police then arranged a helmet and asked the groom to wear it as a precautionary measure, following which the procession passed through Negrun streets, Mr. Balraj said.

After the marriage ceremony with the bride leaving with the groom, Mr. Puralal reached the Taal police station and filed a complaint.
 
A cricket helmet without the front grill would have looked better. [emoji23]
 
A cricket helmet without the front grill would have looked better. [emoji23]

if this was done in pakistan ..and the guy was a christans and muslims were throwing stones at him u wouldn't be laughing and u would have made this a 10 page thread with ur crys for democracy and how islam is evil "shariah law " etc etc ..since it happend to a poor dalit in india who cant even enjoy a a great occasion of marriage without being discriminated ..its ok to laugh it off as if nothing happened ....
 
Dalits and tribals in India are fast converting to Christianity. Incidents like this show the reason behind it.
Also have read that most people who harass Dalits are not upper caste like Brahmins or shopkeeper class rather they themselves are uneducated backward castes but have superiority complex.
 
if this was done in pakistan ..and the guy was a christans and muslims were throwing stones at him u wouldn't be laughing and u would have made this a 10 page thread with ur crys for democracy and how islam is evil "shariah law " etc etc ..since it happend to a poor dalit in india who cant even enjoy a a great occasion of marriage without being discriminated ..its ok to laugh it off as if nothing happened ....

Bhai jaan at the Govt level there are laws like Quota System in favor of Dalits in India. Also, there is no law banning Dalits from becoming a President or PM in India. Infact, PM Modi himself is schedule-class.

In Pakistan, there is a law that bans Non-Muslim citizens from positions of power, making them second-class citizens of the State.

Yea the condition of Dalits is deplorable in India, but I don't need a lecture from you on how I should be posting in a thread.
 
He should try riding an elephant next time. Makes him slightly more 'elevated' and out of reach to the 'upper castes'.
 
Bhai jaan at the Govt level there are laws like Quota System in favor of Dalits in India. Also, there is no law banning Dalits from becoming a President or PM in India. Infact, PM Modi himself is schedule-class.

In Pakistan, there is a law that bans Non-Muslim citizens from positions of power, making them second-class citizens of the State.

Yea the condition of Dalits is deplorable in India, but I don't need a lecture from you on how I should be posting in a thread.

Hindustani Hitler belong to Ghanchi caste which is trader caste.
 
This news will not be highlighted on TV, especially the new delhi english media. For them issues begin and end with muslims. #mediacrooks #sickular
 
Forget about riding a horse, in some parts of India (where "RATIONAL MINDED" people live), it offends the upper caste hindus if a dalit even rides a bicycle. These dalits who used to not even step on the shadow of an upper caste, now have the temerity to ride cycles in front of them. Feel sorry for the upper castes who are losing their privileges due to dalit appeasement.

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Dalits students of the Government Higher Secondary School in the village still cannot take the upper caste streets though it is a shorter, safe route.

They have get down from the bicycle and push it or go via the busy Perambalur-Ariyalur High Road , says 49-year-old N. Ayyakannu, a real estate broker. Even the postmaster, a Dalit, cannot ride his bicycle on the upper caste streets


http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...cycle-in-upper-caste-areas/article2421543.ece
 
Forget about riding a horse, in some parts of India (where "RATIONAL MINDED" people live), it offends the upper caste hindus if a dalit even rides a bicycle.

Why were the British not able to abolish the mistreatment of the lower caste Hindus in India during their 200 year reign?
 
Why were the British not able to abolish the mistreatment of the lower caste Hindus in India during their 200 year reign?

Not only the British, there were Hindu reformers from both Upper castes, and Dalits who worked hard to eradicate this issue. But it is so deep rooted in the national pysche that it is easy to be secular but really difficult to be anti caste. You will see many educated posters here who may be secular (means not anti muslim) but always complaining about special treatment to dalits.

Absolute scum. When I point out the casteism in bollywood, I am laughed at. According to them casteism doesnt exist, and you see only what you want to see.

The only debate in india is about whether you are secular or communal, means are you pro muslim or pro hindu. dalit issues are only a footnote. That is why I am sick of this hindu muslim debate. The downtrodden, both hindus and muslims, should unite against oppression and not let religion divide and weaken them.
 
For Bhakts, The hindu is a Sickular newspaper [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]
 
Happy to know we are the sides of the same coin. Cheers, [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION]
 
Every Part of my body boils over caste related incidents.India needs to take some strong actions and ban marriage within the same caste so that there is no reference to it anymore but defn the politicians will never allow it.Singapore was a democracy but its PM still made some ballsy infamous decisions for the betterment of their society.
Sadly i find caste related thinking extremely high even in Tamil Nadu which has a decent literacy.
 
So around 200 million people.
And yet insufficient media coverage is given to the day-to-day problems and persecution of such a large chunk of the population - presumably because the 'liberated elite' turns a blind eye? Or because giving them 'equality' (I mean from a social point of view, and not the legal situation where laws are already in place) means their own feeling of 'superority' is eroded?
 
So around 200 million people.
And yet insufficient media coverage is given to the day-to-day problems and persecution of such a large chunk of the population - presumably because the 'liberated elite' turns a blind eye? Or because giving them 'equality' (I mean from a social point of view, and not the legal situation where laws are already in place) means their own feeling of 'superority' is eroded?

Liberated Left oriented care about them a lot esp SFI and Left parties.But as you have seen in this thread lot of them appear to say it doesn't exist and they enjoy unfair reservation.
 
So around 200 million people.
And yet insufficient media coverage is given to the day-to-day problems and persecution of such a large chunk of the population - presumably because the 'liberated elite' turns a blind eye? Or because giving them 'equality' (I mean from a social point of view, and not the legal situation where laws are already in place) means their own feeling of 'superority' is eroded?

Won't necessarily pin it down to the liberated elite people.

If you look at caste wars these days, its hardly upper caste vs lower caste. Its lower caste vs even lower caste where fights take place.

I do think urban educated people in India want Dalits to be lifted up in the society.

Marriage point of view, caste plays a big role but that's true for all communities.
 
From the link

By 1995, 17.2% of jobs were held by Dalits, more than their proportion in the Indian population. Now the percentage of dalit government employees will be over 20% even though some of them are still doing menial jobs.

Yeah that aspect is getting better (maybe due to reservation).

At lower levels, they get discriminated a lot which is where the issue is.
 
I have lived in india for 20 years...I have never comes across weird incidents like this... and I did not even live in a city. I am not denying the truthness of it...but I would take it with a pinch of salt when they say it is a regular occurrence. It would not be news if so !
 
I have lived in india for 20 years...I have never comes across weird incidents like this... and I did not even live in a city. I am not denying the truthness of it...but I would take it with a pinch of salt when they say it is a regular occurrence. It would not be news if so !

Are you saying India doesn't have caste based violence based on your own personal experiences? thats just ridiculous.
 
Are you saying India doesn't have caste based violence based on your own personal experiences? thats just ridiculous.

India is a big country with more than billion people. There will be this kind of incidents but overall it is not as bad.
 
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