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Are the same.
Have a look at how all the Australian batsmen are generally dismissed playing against spinners overseas (and why for instance Australian, South African and Kiwi spinners won't do to much against them).
They're normally not beaten by amazing spin and turn (especially by the finger spinners) although seeing a ball turn a mile destroys them mentally.
In Asian wickets finger spinners have success by accurate bowling and angles and not necessarily by generating incredible turn. Instead they angle it into the stumps and turn some and don't turn a few others which given the way Australian batsmen are playing them opens up the outside edges while keeping the wickets in player.
Inevitably the Australian batsmen misjudge one and because they have no idea what they're doing they get out from it.
The Australian batsmen however are continually petrified and play expecting massive spin which doesn't really occur. The Arm ball also gets a lot of success against Australia because they keep on trying to play for spin that isn't there.
The whole problem is magnified by Asian wickets which break up a lot easier than Australian wickets and create rough spots which introduces far more variety to how the balls turn or how they don't (if it hits a rough spot it will spin and if it doesn't it won't) which creates even more uncertainty for deficient batsmen who will basically give chances when they inevitably misjudge the spin - which they're trying to judge. Far better players of spin aren't going to judge every single delivery correctly.
Ironically while previous, non-technically deficient batsmen or previous eras (like Martyn or Hayden or Lehmann) were able to play normally and fall back on the logic of keep your wicket and score when it's on and bat long the current generation of batsmen's techniques are so deficient that they're better off just hitting out because they're not capable of surviving anyway and maybe Mathews will lose the plot captaincywise.
A few other posters who hate test cricket and traditional methods recommend this is a strategy and it's logical in part (though will never result in victories) because the modern Australian batsmen without the traditional foundations that even the Hussey generation of batsmen enjoyed are incapable of success.
On the flip side - what happens when all these finger spinners come to Australia to play cricket?
They fail and get bashed around the ground. This has happened for decades, long before the trend of flat wickets.
Australian wickets because of different clay aren't as dry or as rough as Asian wickets and don't break up the same way. So touring finger spinners come to Australia and use the same tactics and they don't work at all and Australian batsmen have no concerns against them.
So how does a finger spinner succeed in Australia? Because the rough spots don't develop in the same way the spinner needs to depend on himself the same way Nathan Lyon for instance does it.
He comes over the ball and aims to get side spin and over spin.
However take these tactics to Asian wickets and even though you're going to consistently turn the ball a fair bit because you don't have the inconsistencies that trouble the batsmen.
This is why Nathan Lyon has great figures by Australian graveyard standards but bog average figures by Asian spinning paradise standards
Have a look at how all the Australian batsmen are generally dismissed playing against spinners overseas (and why for instance Australian, South African and Kiwi spinners won't do to much against them).
They're normally not beaten by amazing spin and turn (especially by the finger spinners) although seeing a ball turn a mile destroys them mentally.
In Asian wickets finger spinners have success by accurate bowling and angles and not necessarily by generating incredible turn. Instead they angle it into the stumps and turn some and don't turn a few others which given the way Australian batsmen are playing them opens up the outside edges while keeping the wickets in player.
Inevitably the Australian batsmen misjudge one and because they have no idea what they're doing they get out from it.
The Australian batsmen however are continually petrified and play expecting massive spin which doesn't really occur. The Arm ball also gets a lot of success against Australia because they keep on trying to play for spin that isn't there.
The whole problem is magnified by Asian wickets which break up a lot easier than Australian wickets and create rough spots which introduces far more variety to how the balls turn or how they don't (if it hits a rough spot it will spin and if it doesn't it won't) which creates even more uncertainty for deficient batsmen who will basically give chances when they inevitably misjudge the spin - which they're trying to judge. Far better players of spin aren't going to judge every single delivery correctly.
Ironically while previous, non-technically deficient batsmen or previous eras (like Martyn or Hayden or Lehmann) were able to play normally and fall back on the logic of keep your wicket and score when it's on and bat long the current generation of batsmen's techniques are so deficient that they're better off just hitting out because they're not capable of surviving anyway and maybe Mathews will lose the plot captaincywise.
A few other posters who hate test cricket and traditional methods recommend this is a strategy and it's logical in part (though will never result in victories) because the modern Australian batsmen without the traditional foundations that even the Hussey generation of batsmen enjoyed are incapable of success.
On the flip side - what happens when all these finger spinners come to Australia to play cricket?
They fail and get bashed around the ground. This has happened for decades, long before the trend of flat wickets.
Australian wickets because of different clay aren't as dry or as rough as Asian wickets and don't break up the same way. So touring finger spinners come to Australia and use the same tactics and they don't work at all and Australian batsmen have no concerns against them.
So how does a finger spinner succeed in Australia? Because the rough spots don't develop in the same way the spinner needs to depend on himself the same way Nathan Lyon for instance does it.
He comes over the ball and aims to get side spin and over spin.
However take these tactics to Asian wickets and even though you're going to consistently turn the ball a fair bit because you don't have the inconsistencies that trouble the batsmen.
This is why Nathan Lyon has great figures by Australian graveyard standards but bog average figures by Asian spinning paradise standards
