Yeah, it was Foakes this, Foakes that.
While the truth was that Pant pouched far more difficult takes and catches/stumpings on a difficult wicket against a far better spin attack than Foakes had to encounter!
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While the truth was that Pant pouched far more difficult takes and catches/stumpings on a difficult wicket against a far better spin attack than Foakes had to encounter!
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2 brilliant stumpings and overall great keeping in this Test
His big test was also gonna be turning pitch and he passed it with flying colours
Shows how stupid it was to waste time on Saha in last home season
His big test was also gonna be turning pitch and he passed it with flying colours
Shows how stupid it was to waste time on Saha in last home season
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Guess who's scored the most runs for India in WTC?
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Haha....
Did BVB call him that? Or someone else did?
Pant is something else.
Did what ATGs couldn't do lol.
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Its not about Foakes.Its about Pant
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Oh lol....
Poor guy is nowhere to be seen.
More of an emotional reaction than a rational one.
Pant doing well in tests was always in the cards with his domination in domestic cricket.
I was replying to Sir Alex who talked about Foakes.
Oh lol....
Poor guy is nowhere to be seen.
More of an emotional reaction than a rational one.
Pant doing well in tests was always in the cards with his domination in domestic cricket.
Be clear Pant doing well with batting only which was never in doubt always looked like a good lower order hitter to me. When I say hitter who can hit and not just flop most of the time.
What was keeping him out of the side due to his bad keeping and Saha being a better keeper. That aspect has not improved yet.
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He did well this test we need to persist with him now, Pant had many backers one was Rohit himself and Kohli too somewhat.
I like Saha but we need to move forward. LOI is still open, Pant needs to get better in batting at LOI - hope he has it in him to improve his power hitting we need a middle order , hoping Sarfaraz is able to get in form as well Pant/Sarfaraz would be ideal for our LOI middle order.
I like Saha but we need to move forward. LOI is still open, Pant needs to get better in batting at LOI - hope he has it in him to improve his power hitting we need a middle order , hoping Sarfaraz is able to get in form as well Pant/Sarfaraz would be ideal for our LOI middle order.
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Imo the worst youngster is Kishan.. Rahul has gone missing way too many times in crunch situations not forget his fragility.
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If Pant wants to prolong his career he should skip playing in useless IPL especially when we are going to tour England. 
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If Pant wants to prolong his career he should skip playing in useless IPL especially when we are going to tour England.
more than 2 month gap between them
Yes and what? One fame where he did not miss many chances mean he is a good keeper? Keeper go through seasons without making many mistakes at all and the very best ones every make any throughout.
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No place for Sarfaraz in LOIs though. KL at 4, Pant at 5 and then Pandya and SIR.
Iyer is also there. Kishan, Samosa, Pandey and Surya also.
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I do not follow domestics but would really like to see Kishan playing for India, tremendous talent from what little I have seen of him. A t20 team consisting of Pant, KL, Pandya and Kishan would be something.
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Did I say that?See the bolded part that I quoted
This was very tough pitch to keep on and even Foakes had misses.So he is showing improvement
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He'll play T20Is vs England
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Wonder why do you think so? His List A average is better than Pant, not saying he is a bigger talent than Pant or KL but we should definitely try him at Asia cup or Nidahas Trophy type tournaments.
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That is good to know, btw have they announced the LOI squads already?
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No but reading related news from reliable sources.Both him and SKY will be playing
I guess Rohit,Pant maybe rested
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yesterday it was Foakes, today it’s <a href="https://twitter.com/RishabhPant17?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RishabhPant17</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/brilliant?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#brilliant</a></p>— Adam Gilchrist (@gilly381) <a href="https://twitter.com/gilly381/status/1361562003303587844?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Okay obviously we will see but for now he should not be compared to specialist keeper as he is not one yet. He is more of a batsman who can keep for now.
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This guy is 23 and has scored runs at places at the rate of knots and his keeping is constantly gettiing better. For the experts and Einsteins here, what were you doing when you were 23?
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Will see.. Pandya yes all others are gonna might miss the bus..
I am neither an expert nor an Einstein, but I wasn't doing anything as important as representing my country.
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Im not sure if his one dimensional batting will work in test cricket You cant just slog like he does all the time and get away with it
Keeping wise hes overweight and needs to lose a couple of stones otherwise his keeping will suffer You can already see hes not as agile as most keepers out there
Keeping wise hes overweight and needs to lose a couple of stones otherwise his keeping will suffer You can already see hes not as agile as most keepers out there
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Wow. What a dumb thing to say on a public forum lol. We should either close this forum or request the mods to increase the forum joining age from 18 to 23 alongwith our accomplishments in life before we can discuss anything here. What's wrong if people don't find his keeping great and post their opinion? I think people shouldn't care about guys like you and share their opinion about players even if it hurts some sensitive souls here. They don't have to be Einsteins to discuss it anyway.
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Well everything looks great when players like Pant plays few good innings. Every small mistake is ignored. Everyone thinks a player's career graph only goes in one direction(upward) and that is where some people lack experience of watching sports. Real test comes when players do bad for a series or two and teams start figuring out their weaknesses. The fact that his fans has to keep reminding others that he took a catch or stumping shows that he isn't that good in keeping. Wicketkeeping is a thankless job. People will only talk about wicketkeeping when keepers are not doing their job properly otherwise fans expect them to take every catch that comes their way and ignore their performance.
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Well everything looks great when players like Pant plays few good innings. Every small mistake is ignored. Everyone thinks a player's career graph only goes in one direction(upward) and that is where some people lack experience of watching sports. Real test comes when players do bad for a series or two and teams start figuring out their weaknesses. The fact that his fans has to keep reminding others that he took a catch or stumping shows that he isn't that good in keeping. Wicketkeeping is a thankless job. People will only talk about wicketkeeping when keepers are not doing their job properly otherwise fans expect them to take every catch that comes their way and ignore their performance.
As a 23 years Old.. Pant has already seen the ups and down cycle a couple of times which I dare say many other players have not seen. Along with that the scrutiny of Social Media, Replacing one of the all Time Great Persona of Dhoni, and the kind of high risk game Pant plays. His style is high risk.
Imagine the pressure. But he has shown the mental strength like all good players do. And his career is just 2-3 years.
Dravid, for example, debuted in 1996, in Australian 2001 series before Kolkata, His position was under lot of scrutinty.. a 5 years after his debut.
Tendulkar.. after this tennis elbow injury. during 2009 time his position also was under scrutity.. a full 20 years after his debut.
Pant, on the other hand.. within 2-3 years of his career.. Got the success, failed miserably.. Ridiculed, Booed and crowd chanting Dhonis name on his face.. Fans like you abusing him on Social Media, to again getting his place back, Scoring 97 and almost winning Sydney match to winning it in Gabba,
All the Way no change in his playing style, same high risk game.
The guy is mentally tough for sure And It does not matter what you think and wish.. which is to see him fail miserably.
He is tough.. which you become over time when you travel 5 hours in and out of Delhi on those rickety buses to Uttrakhand villages with your kit for 2 years. And To make it in Delhi Cricket.. Let me tell you It is really tough. Lot of politics.. Ask Virat/Shikhar/Ishant. . all of them say making it in Delhi cricket is really hard due to politics.
So can pray for his failures an all.. But I think he is here to stay and will have a great career.
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Wow. What a dumb thing to say on a public forum lol. We should either close this forum or request the mods to increase the forum joining age from 18 to 23 alongwith our accomplishments in life before we can discuss anything here. What's wrong if people don't find his keeping great and post their opinion? I think people shouldn't care about idiots like you and share their opinion about players even if it hurts some sensitive souls here. They don't have to be Einsteins to discuss it anyway.
Well considering I did not even mention you or anything, your reaction implies I touched a nerve. For that, I apologize. Clearly, you have some issues with Pant and I have zero interest in learning more about them. I will let you work through them. Just know that when you realize that you spent possibly years writing toxic garbage about a player who is going to go places and might just become one of the better players in the world by the time his career is over and will not even notice anything about you, you will move on to the next stage of sadness. Hope that happens sooner rather than later. Ciao!
I guess it's all about how he fits into the Indian Test batting line-up.
They probably feel they have enough orthodox batsmen who can bat for long periods and Pant gives them something different especially if they want to counter-attack or look for quick runs.
The problems will come if he is needed to bat to save matches and he plays a loose shot or two.
They probably feel they have enough orthodox batsmen who can bat for long periods and Pant gives them something different especially if they want to counter-attack or look for quick runs.
The problems will come if he is needed to bat to save matches and he plays a loose shot or two.
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This is what Dravid said about Pant in 2018
Rishabh Pant has ‘the temperament and skills’ – Rahul Dravid
https://wisden.com/stories/international-cricket/rishabh-pant-temperament-skills-rahul-dravid
Given Dravid's cricketing acumen, I would trust his judgement and give Pant just some more time to be world class player.
Rishabh Pant has ‘the temperament and skills’ – Rahul Dravid
https://wisden.com/stories/international-cricket/rishabh-pant-temperament-skills-rahul-dravid
Given Dravid's cricketing acumen, I would trust his judgement and give Pant just some more time to be world class player.
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No many have any doubts about his ability as a player, however he does need to curb summoning his inner Kapil Dev. His positivity and counter attacking ability needs to be more thought through imo, he goes for the big shots a little too much, a little early in his innings for my comfort level.
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Credit to him for dividing the opinion so much but he has two excellent knocks in current seaskn so deserves a little room on criticism for now.
Its upto him to improve , he has shown improvement in keeping and hopefully does the same with batting.
Its upto him to improve , he has shown improvement in keeping and hopefully does the same with batting.
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In my experience, players who divide opinions this much either end up as flops or ATGs. The difference between those two categories is very simple — how hard the player is willing to work.
If Pant has a good work ethic, he can be the best in the world if he wants to be. All depends on him now.
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Ben Stokes is called an ATG all-rounder even after averaging 37 with bat in his stronger suit and people here continue to have problems with Rishabh Pant averging 42-43 with bat. What are Ben Stokes' stats in Asia to begin with?
Pant is a big match player and he showed it in the IPL final last year and then in the Australian series by being inspirational to India's test series wins through his performances.
It is just a typical Asian fans mentality of sabogating and demeaning their own Asian players even though the guy has proved his detractors wrong on most fronts.
Pant is a big match player and he showed it in the IPL final last year and then in the Australian series by being inspirational to India's test series wins through his performances.
It is just a typical Asian fans mentality of sabogating and demeaning their own Asian players even though the guy has proved his detractors wrong on most fronts.
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Stokes was man of the match in what was possibly the greatest World Cup final of all time. If not for that knock, he wouldn’t be called an ATG by certain fans (and even now, most fans still believe he’s not an ATG, at least not yet - maybe an England great).
That has nothing to do with Pant anyways. Long time to go in Pant’s career. He will come good, probably. But no need to compare Pant to Gilly at this stage of the career, it’s only unfair to Pant.
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Pant was also man of match in what was one of the greatest test series wins for India arguably ever, away in Australian conditions. Both are insane performances and the impact is massive.
Posters opinion were polarising for Stokes too in past but after the world cup win, things changed completely. I am quite surprised people still have polarising opinions on Pant based on his performance in an away series win in Australia.
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It's because of his keeping. He needs to keep at a sustained level of skill for him to be known by his primary discipline. If Pant were to become a Rizwan-level keeper, for example, I don't think there would be any criticism of him.
In Test matches, the keeper's primary job is to take catches. With the bat, there will be good form and bad form, but the catching ability must stay consistent for any keeper to avoid criticism.
An exaggerated version of this is Kamran Akmal, look at his impact on the Pakistan team especially the Sydney Test. Whether or not he was on the bookies payroll, the fact remains that a specialist keeper is always better than a makeshift keeper. Right now Rishabh is going through an unbelievable patch of form, and as we saw yesterday, he is showing improvement with the gloves as well.
If Rishabh Pant's form deteriorates, and his keeping stays the same, he will deserve no place in the team.
I back him to keep improving though, so I see no issue in keeping him instead of Saha. Otherwise you would ruin his confidence. That being said, he needs to seriously work on his keeping.
As far as Stokes goes, I don't consider him an ATG and neither should you, unless he ends his career with ATG stats. He is a brilliant impact player right now, that's it.
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I love how you always jump into posts without even reading. I am baffled you missed so many posts praise his keeping and his brilliant takes where he out keeped Foakes and took catches and stumpings which were out of this world
Every single expert and commentator are praising his KEEPING
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Lmao another person who has not watched a single match. In all Aussie innings he was played with strike rare below 50 initially. In the match he won in Aus in first 100 balls he had 50 runs
In this series, in the match he scored 92, he didn't hit anyone bowler except Leach, in the air before he reached 90. All sixes hit were off Leach because ball came into him. He never hit Bess in the air. He is cold and calculating in which bowlers to target.
Bit he is one dimensional because you want him to be so?
Also he has lost 8 to 10 kgs already. He is not agile? He was literally doing acrobatics when he was stumping. He is a literal gymnast who can do hand stands and flips bit he is not agile?
How can someone be so confidentially so wrong? Its almost likely you are making up some fantasy stories to satisfy yourself instead of taking 2 minutes to see what the reality is
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Just went and saw some Rizwan batting on youtube, I must say he is a solid player, very gritty and a fighter.
However no way, is Rizwan anywhere close to Pant as a batsmen, Pant has all the shots; pull, hook, cut, elegant left hander's off drive, on Drives and from what I saw Pant was standing a feet outside of the crease taking on the Aussie quicks in Brisbane...
Rizwan maybe better behind the stumps, I only saw his batting highlights but Rizwan is not in Pants league as far as a batsmen goes.
However no way, is Rizwan anywhere close to Pant as a batsmen, Pant has all the shots; pull, hook, cut, elegant left hander's off drive, on Drives and from what I saw Pant was standing a feet outside of the crease taking on the Aussie quicks in Brisbane...
Rizwan maybe better behind the stumps, I only saw his batting highlights but Rizwan is not in Pants league as far as a batsmen goes.
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On natural ability, Pant is far ahead as a batsman and Rizwan is far ahead as a keeper. As an all-round package, I will take Rizwan as of right now but I have a feeling Pant will improve his keeping a lot within the next 2 years.
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It is about making the purple patch count by doing big things. Ups and downs will be part of the game. Stokes purple patch also came around 2019 before that, he was inconsistent and even now also he is lacking the consistency. But he made his purple patch count really big time by those two ATG level performances.
Pant also seems to be making it count and Gabba was a truly special performance. His keeping will improve, he was brilliant in this test, took a couple of great catches. He is getting better and I have no doubt he will be a very good keeper by the next year or so.
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It is relevant only to one so called fan. He will be lit though with this message.
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Man, I understand where you are coming from but you could have really said it without mentioning Kami. Kamran is the worst WK I have ever seen, should not have been trusted with a watermelon not sure how Pak trusted him with a cricket ball for so long. Pant is improving with every match, last match he actually outdid Foakes according to some.
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I think that people don't really realise that Pant is just 23.
Just a question, have you seen any other wicketkeeper batsman who avgd 45 at 70 str rate and kept wickets like Jack Russell?
Coz i haven't seen one, even Gilchrist wasn't a part of Aus test team at that age.
Regarding wicketkeeping i think that it's one of those things where you can easily improve with more experience. The only exception i found to this is Kamran Akmal, even Jos Buttler hasn't dropped a single catch since he made his comeback.
Rishabh Pant will be a fine keeper by the time he is 25 or so, he won't be the best in keeping but who cares. The days of specialist keepers are long gone, its just that people don't realise it. Except Tim Paine there isn't a single specialist keeper in any other team. Looks like the teams have realised that they are a waste of space but fans haven't.
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Imagine a downgraded version this good.The full version Raina should be hall of fame for sure.
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I found your logic of 'what you were doing when you were 23' pretty dumb. I made it obvious by bolding that part of your stupid logic which you are still defending. What I or others write about a certain player or what's our opinion about his keeping or batting has nothing to do with what we were doing when we were 23. I hope you see where you were going wrong. It has nothing to do with you touching anyone's nerve here. It was a stupid post by you. Just accept it and move on.
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Don't put words in my mouth if you can't counter what I am saying. Neither I am wishing nor I am praying for his failures. I am telling a bitter truth and giving examples with that. I know how die hard fans like you worship players and then when these players start performing badly or get old, you guys will be the first ones to abuse them. Haven't we seen this template already with many players? Are you new to sports? If you think he will keep going at this rate and will never encounter failure then I am sorry to say you have lot to learn.
What's wrong in saying his true test and his fans true test will come when he does bad for 2-3 series straight? Where am I wishing for his failures in that? I am just stating the reality. Is it that hard to accept?
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So your prediction is prediction, other's prediction is garbage? Sadda kutta kutta, twada kutta tommy?
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Don't put words in my mouth if you can't counter what I am saying. Neither I am wishing nor I am praying for his failures. I am telling a bitter truth and giving examples with that. I know how die hard fans like you worship players and then when these players start performing badly or get old, you guys will be the first ones to abuse them. Haven't we seen this template already with many players? Are you new to sports? If you think he will keep going at this rate and will never encounter failure then I am sorry to say you have lot to learn.
What's wrong in saying his true test and his fans true test will come when he does bad for 2-3 series straight? Where am I wishing for his failures in that? I am just stating the reality. Is it that hard to accept?
You clearly are wishing for those 2-3 series failures to occur to pounce on the opportunity.
I have given you factual information about him having those failures already and coming through that and performing better again.
All the while making no change in his high risk game.
Whenever anything positive about Pant is mentioned yours is the first toxic post about belittling him.
He already had those so called true tests, will have more but he will still persist and survive and thrive.
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Kami was really bad, but I think his absolute worst dropped catches were deliberate. He was well known to be part of the Mazhar Majeed ring, he just wasn’t implicated in the 2010 scandal.
On his good days, Kamran even took some good catches. Obviously not comparing Pant to him, no one deserves that, but I was just trying to illustrate why the runs don’t matter if you’re not up to the mark behind the stumps.
Kamran singlehandedly ended the careers of many of our bowlers and lost us many matches (and if he averaged 20 runs more per innings, it wouldn’t have mattered one bit).
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This question is not fair and I absolutely resent. If you were a bowler, I would have called you no ball. How many years do we have to listen to this question?
WOW now he is a better keeper than Foakes.. His keeping is so poor currently he cant even be classed as a specialist keeper. The amount of chances his missed already in his short career there have been keepers in the past who did not miss that many all career like Ian heally.
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Why? Has Pant retired already or what? My prediction is still alive. Once again twadda kutta tommy, sadda kutta kutta?
And speaking of this thread, it also sheds light on how many times Pant fans ran away from here after he failed to live up to your's and other's hype and when he was dropped from LOI teams. At least I praised him when he played well but some of you arrogant fans won't criticise him and would rather choose to run away than criticising him. Bunch of plastic fans.
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[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] isn't wrong. Pant did play some loose shots even against Australia but their fielders couldn't take them. Paine especially lost the series for them with his poor catching and missed stumping in the last test.
You are going to end up with an egg on your face, like the previous posters who doubted pant an year ago.
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He hasn't been unnecessarily critical about Pant or any other Indian cricketer. Don't group him with "previous posters".
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Before posting atleast read the post.. did you just read one line?
But what I and others are saying is that if the poor and wild shots lead to his dismissal on a regular basis, then the selectors will have to weigh up the pros and cons.
For me, he's different, a match-winner, he's like a mini Adam Gilchrist and the sort of player the opposition tends to fear.
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If Pant wants to prolong his career he should skip playing in useless IPL especially when we are going to tour England.
How about he instead skips the England tour and focusses more on IPL? He will have something to show for live with when he is done with cricket.
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[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] isn't wrong. Pant did play some loose shots even against Australia but their fielders couldn't take them. Paine especially lost the series for them with his poor catching and missed stumping in the last test.
Except there was a reason those shots were not going to hadn't and it was because he was targeting which bowlers to hit. Even his mishits were carrying over the folders because he was playing with the turn or where fielders were not there
This is also exactly what Cummins has said
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The funniest thing is, he was always talking about Pants batting and him failing to make an impact as a batsman and then as soon as he did, he then pretends it was his keeping he always criticized. Then when Pant will improve his keeping there will be other excuses
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Do read the thread properly before you put words in my mouth. What part of "he can't play as a batsman alone in this team" did you not understand? I will praise him if he plays good but I don't think you will ever criticise him even if he drops a sitter in a World Cup final. That's the difference.
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Then he should take retirement from International Cricket and entertain fans like you. He will still be known for his innings in Australia not for his innings in useless IPL lol. But I am pretty sure he is not as naive as his die hard fans and understands without performing in International Cricket he is not going to earn that much. This is not football.
If he can't stay away from IPL then he has to stay fit or either give up wicketkeeping in one of the format to prolong his career. He doesn't have a Dhoni level fitness to play all 3 formats and also IPL every year for next 10 years continuously.
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Then he should take retirement from International Cricket and entertain fans like you. He will still be known for his innings in Australia not for his innings in useless IPL lol. But I am pretty sure he is not as naive as his die hard fans and understands without performing in International Cricket he is not going to earn that much. This is not football.
If he can't stay away from IPL then he has to stay fit or either give up wicketkeeping in one of the format to prolong his career. He doesn't have a Dhoni level fitness to play all 3 formats and also IPL every year for next 10 years continuously.
Is that fact based or Another Assumption from you.
A trained gymnast is unfit.. Waah re teri hoshiari...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good day at the lab.
<a href="https://t.co/EkgtYrjhri">pic.twitter.com/EkgtYrjhri</a></p>— Rishabh Pant (@RishabhPant17) <a href="https://twitter.com/RishabhPant17/status/1346371205566091265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Is that fact based or Another Assumption from you.
A trained gymnast is unfit.. Waah re teri hoshiari...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good day at the lab.
Obviously you don't know much about match fitness and intentionally confusing it with gymnastics to feel better. It seems for guys like you wicketkeeping in all three formats, batting in all 3 formats, plus playing 2 months of useless IPL is equivalent to doing gymnastics in a lab lol. It will start taking a toll on his body if he keeps playing in useless IPL matches for next 3-4 years. Your limited knowledge about most of the subjects here hardly amuses me now. In short, tu rehne de bhai, tujhse nahi hoga.
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Obviously you don't know much about match fitness and intentionally confusing it with gymnastics to feel better. It seems for guys like you wicketkeeping in all three formats, batting in all 3 formats, plus playing 2 months of useless IPL is equivalent to doing gymnastics in a lab lol. It will start taking a toll on his body if he keeps playing in useless IPL matches for next 3-4 years. Your limited knowledge about most of the subjects here hardly amuses me now. In short, tu rehne de bhai, tujhse nahi hoga.
Another set of assumptions.
Mujhse ho na ho but Pant se jaroor hoga.
Pant has already won a test series for India in Aus where the real teams of these pseudo fans are routinely violated.
With a bit of luck, he will also win a WC for India and retire as an ATG keeper from all formats of the game.
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