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Gilchrist averages 47 overall and 35 in the second innings, which actually shows how great of a match-winner he was.

The vast majority of Tests are decided in the first innings of both teams. If you can consistently score big in the first innings, you will rarely lose Test matches.
 
Mamoon said:
Gilchrist averages 47 overall and 35 in the second innings, which actually shows how great of a match-winner he was.

The vast majority of Tests are decided in the first innings of both teams. If you can consistently score big in the first innings, you will rarely lose Test matches.
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Also, he rarely needed to bat in the second innings to save a Test.

AUS either chased a small target or batted the opposition out of the game in the first innings.
 
Love watching him bat - there I said it.

What an entertainer.

Team in trouble against England today and he's come in and smashed the bowling to all parts.
 
Pant is India's Virender Sehwag. If you loved watching Viru bat, you must be in awe of watching Pant bat too.
 
Loved the way he was taking on the spinners even though there were boundary fielders.

Took on the challenge and has succeeded so far.
 
You live by the sword, then you die by the sword.

People will say that was a stupid shot to play to get out, but look at the positives, what an innings by him.
 
Saj said:
You live by the sword, then you die by the sword.

People will say that was a stupid shot to play to get out, but look at the positives, what an innings by him.
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Definitely there's no positive. It's just absolute lack of common sense and game awareness. This is not the first time. He's got out playing the same stupid shot to Lyon when in 90s. People calling him brave, sehwags and gilchrist should calm down. After playing such good innings, he threw it away as usual. This is not not brave cricket, this is simply brainless stuff by Pant!
 
Saj said:
Love watching him bat - there I said it.

What an entertainer.

Team in trouble against England today and he's come in and smashed the bowling to all parts.
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No shame in joining the Pantaloon fan club. :abbas
 
RainStopsPlay said:
Definitely there's no positive. It's just absolute lack of common sense and game awareness. This is not the first time. He's got out playing the same stupid shot to Lyon when in 90s. People calling him brave, sehwags and gilchrist should calm down. After playing such good innings, he threw it away as usual. This is not not brave cricket, this is simply brainless stuff by Pant!
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This is his game. If he fell for 20 you could say brainless, not when he scores 90.
 
RainStopsPlay said:
Definitely there's no positive. It's just absolute lack of common sense and game awareness. This is not the first time. He's got out playing the same stupid shot to Lyon when in 90s. People calling him brave, sehwags and gilchrist should calm down. After playing such good innings, he threw it away as usual. This is not not brave cricket, this is simply brainless stuff by Pant!
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Sehwahg brought up his 100 and 200 with 6s many many times in his career. Shot was on, he just mistimed it
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
You say that like he didn't make those 91 runs by playing "brainless" shots like those.
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Actually it was a very calculated onslaught and not just brainless. Every single one of his 6 was against Leach.he didn't play a single shot in the air of Bess before that shot where he got out. He knew Leach angle was easier to hit.

If it was brainless he would have attacked all bowlers instead of one. He does seem to be losing a bit of focus in the 90s though, need to work on it
 
Can't really take a poster who has Lahori in his name seriously when it comes to rating Indian posters. Lots of Pakistan fans have biases when it comes to rating Indian players.
 
He did his part. Rather than expecting Pant to bail India out everytime in tricky situations I think it is time to look at the top and middle order. What is Rahane doing? Plays one good inning and follows it up with 6-7 below average innings. I liked him as a captain but he is just another Asad Shafiq who only plays well when he is place is in danger. :inti
 
Indiafan said:
Actually it was a very calculated onslaught and not just brainless. Every single one of his 6 was against Leach.he didn't play a single shot in the air of Bess before that shot where he got out. He knew Leach angle was easier to hit.

If it was brainless he would have attacked all bowlers instead of one. He does seem to be losing a bit of focus in the 90s though, need to work on it
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I'm sure Pant had his reason to attack Bess. Throw him off his game when he least expected it and get him to change the field around or something. Either way, had he miscued any of the shots against Leach earlier and skied it in the air for a catch, it would've looked brainless. Had the shot against Bess connected, no one would've thought anything of it.
 
Don't think he's sehwag's successor

Sehwag don't loft the ball this often and his style was not massacring the ball this hard in the air

Pant's style is more of a free flowing slogger who plays grounded shots here and their.I don't think he's a freak talent but very strong in his limited ability

Considering he's a wicketkeepr batsman bats low down the order, this way of batting can consistently give handsome 50's in long run which can turned as match winning knocks.....
 
Don't think he's sehwag's successor

Sehwag don't loft the ball this often and his style was not massacring the ball this hard in the air

Pant's style is more of a free flowing slogger who plays grounded shots here and their.I don't think he's a freak talent but very strong in his limited ability

Considering he's a wicketkeepr batsman bats low down the order, this way of batting can consistently give handsome 50's in long run which can turned as match winning knocks.....
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I'm sure Pant had his reason to attack Bess. Throw him off his game when he least expected it and get him to change the field around or something. Either way, had he miscued any of the shots against Leach earlier and skied it in the air for a catch, it would've looked brainless. Had the shot against Bess connected, no one would've thought anything of it.
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Yeah but he calculated that with the angle, he would he less likely to mistime Leach
 
Hasan123 said:
Can't really take a poster who has Lahori in his name seriously when it comes to rating Indian posters. Lots of Pakistan fans have biases when it comes to rating Indian players.
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*Indian players not posters.
 
Protea Fan said:
Don't think he's sehwag's successor

Sehwag don't loft the ball this often and his style was not massacring the ball this hard in the air

Pant's style is more of a free flowing slogger who plays grounded shots here and their.I don't think he's a freak talent but very strong in his limited ability

Considering he's a wicketkeepr batsman bats low down the order, this way of batting can consistently give handsome 50's in long run which can turned as match winning knocks.....
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Sehwag hit spinners in the air all the time and is famous for getting to his landmarks with 6s

How is someone so calculating, he chose only one bowler to target and didn't hit others in the air, a slogger? Some of you didn't watch the match and are simply making stuff up
 
Indiafan said:
Sehwag hit spinners in the air all the time and is famous for getting to his landmarks with 6s

How is someone so calculating, he chose only one bowler to target and didn't hit others in the air, a slogger? Some of you didn't watch the match and are simply making stuff up
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I am following the whole match from day 1

Pant slogs a lot and slogs everything,he slogged leach to cleaners and trying to do the same against bess and gets out today

Even in ipl he's known for his blatant legside slog in the square-leg region and does look ungainly at times to even loses his balance in the process

Don't told me sehwag is like this,sehwag used to play spin like any great batsman in history of the game
 
Indiafan said:
Sehwag hit spinners in the air all the time and is famous for getting to his landmarks with 6s

How is someone so calculating, he chose only one bowler to target and didn't hit others in the air, a slogger? Some of you didn't watch the match and are simply making stuff up
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Your limited knowledge about Indian greats like Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman doesn't surprise me anymore. :inti
 
Those straight hits from the spinner were brilliant to watch. The footwork was superb.

Some would say brave, some would say risky.

With Pant, it's going to be a love/hate relationship with fans throughout his career.
 
Gilly 2.0 :bow:

Just gotta improve his keeping.

If he doesn't, then I expect some real fights to break out in the dressing room.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I'm sure Pant had his reason to attack Bess. Throw him off his game when he least expected it and get him to change the field around or something. Either way, had he miscued any of the shots against Leach earlier and skied it in the air for a catch, it would've looked brainless. Had the shot against Bess connected, no one would've thought anything of it.
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Actually Bess was tiring and bowling loose deliveries here and there.Pant just needed to capitalise on that.Maybe he wanted to get 100 as quick as possible
 
Very good innings but I am upset that he missed 2 centuries in last 3 tests. He should be a bit more cautious when in 90s.
 
Saj said:
You live by the sword, then you die by the sword.

People will say that was a stupid shot to play to get out, but look at the positives, what an innings by him.
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Pant summoned his inner Kapil Dev today with the Bat :kapil

Today's innings mirrored a lot of Dev and got out the way I seen Dev get out, going for glory...
 
India need a left hander in top 5. Time to phase out Rohit Sharma or Ajinkya Rahane and play Devdutt Paddikal and Kannaur Lokesh instead of him.

Shubhman Gill
Devdutt Paddikal
The Ironman
Virat Kohli
KL Rahul
Rishabh Pant (wkt)
Jadeja/Sundar
 
Protea Fan said:
I am following the whole match from day 1

Pant slogs a lot and slogs everything,he slogged leach to cleaners and trying to do the same against bess and gets out today

Even in ipl he's known for his blatant legside slog in the square-leg region and does look ungainly at times to even loses his balance in the process

Don't told me sehwag is like this,sehwag used to play spin like any great batsman in history of the game
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So you ignored that he didn't hit any other bowler in the air, till he reached 70? If he was slogging why didn't he hit Bess in air beforehand? He faced a lot of his deliveries too And you are confused about the fact that players play differently in IPL as compared to tests?

If you are just trolling, please carry on
 
The guy needs some match awareness. I have no doubt over his talent, nor am I criticising him. But to throw away your wicket while in the 90's playing unnecessary shots is not acceptable for a talent like him. I'm sure he can do much better than he has already done. He could have easily scored a 150+ score in this innings if he were a little more sensible.

A talent needs to aim to maximise his output. Pant can and should aim for big hundreds.
 
Hitman said:
The guy needs some match awareness. I have no doubt over his talent, nor am I criticising him. But to throw away your wicket while in the 90's playing unnecessary shots is not acceptable for a talent like him. I'm sure he can do much better than he has already done. He could have easily scored a 150+ score in this innings if he were a little more sensible.

A talent needs to aim to maximise his output. Pant can and should aim for big hundreds.
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Brave when it works,unnecessary when it doesn'y
 
Well he has lot of time (age) to improve! Even Tendulkar took some time (like some handful number of matches to make his first ODI ton!) He will learn quickly if some sensible Coach and/or Captain guides him through!
 
Pant is only 23 and hasn’t played more than 40 first class matches yet some people are expecting him to bat like a 100 test veteran. Dhoni too was accused of being reckless early on yet he eventually turned out out to be a decent test batsman.

Pant’s batting is fine, it’s his keeping that is the bigger problem. He makes too many simple mistakes - is it a technical thing or is it a mental (concentration) problem?
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Pant is only 23 and hasn’t played more than 40 first class matches yet some people are expecting him to bat like a 100 test veteran. Dhoni too was accused of being reckless early on yet he eventually turned out out to be a decent test batsman.

Pant’s batting is fine, it’s his keeping that is the bigger problem. He makes too many simple mistakes - is it a technical thing or is it a mental (concentration) problem?
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Definitely technical given hes prone to make it in first session of the Test as well

But can be worked upon for sure.

Buttler used to be a poor keeper vs spin too.Now improved massively
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He did his part. Rather than expecting Pant to bail India out everytime in tricky situations I think it is time to look at the top and middle order. What is Rahane doing? Plays one good inning and follows it up with 6-7 below average innings. I liked him as a captain but he is just another Asad Shafiq who only plays well when he is place is in danger. :inti
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If I may add in, Kohli himself has been pretty ordinary for quite sometime. And nobody knows why Rohit is playing Test cricket.
 
Saj said:
Those straight hits from the spinner were brilliant to watch. The footwork was superb.

Some would say brave, some would say risky.

With Pant, it's going to be a love/hate relationship with fans throughout his career.
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He is only 23. He will mature over the years. But no denying the fact that he is a international class batting talent.
 
He is a terrible keeper. He has done enough to earn the spot as a specialist batsman in the team.

The more he scores, harder it becomes for Rahane to justify his spot.
 
According to a former captain and Batsman from England says "if you chance your arm too many times in test you will be found out".

Pant divides opinion like no one else.
 
Also I don’t expect him to have a 2nd gear where he would score 10 facing 200 deliveries. He only knows attacking. But it may not be a bad thing considering you have a guy like Pujara who would blunt the attack, and then Pant/ Jadeja etc who would capitalize on it. It balances out.
 
Rahane is far too inconsistent for my liking. But without a doubt he brings in leadership quality to the side. Hypothetically speaking, if India doesn’t win this series then Kohli’s captaincy will be under scrutiny, especially when Rahane won the series in Australia.

Rahane is like Faf; not a great batsman but inspirational leader. But if India finds more consistent batsman, they should move on.
 
cricketjoshila said:
He is only 23. He will mature over the years. But no denying the fact that he is a international class batting talent.
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This type of batsman rarely changes his style of batting.

Sometimes this works and other times it can end up in failure.

It'll be interesting to see how his career develops.

I hope he doesn't change.
 
cricketjoshila said:
According to a former captain and Batsman from England says "if you chance your arm too many times in test you will be found out".

Pant divides opinion like no one else.
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He is a trailblazer like Sehwag.

Crazy thing is he is able to keep hitting even under immense pressure and puts the team on top batting in 3rd or 4th innings.

In this aspect, he's better than sehwag himself.

Eng will be wary of setting a competitive 4th innings target because of him.

Such is his impact.

He's gonna change cricket as we know it.
 
He will have his brainfade moments but he can be pretty calculative.

The way he paced his Aus innings shows it.

I was blown away by his resilience facing the first 50 balls in Gabba.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
He will have his brainfade moments but he can be pretty calculative.

The way he paced his Aus innings shows it.

I was blown away by his resilience facing the first 50 balls in Gabba.
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As a keeper tho... I feel he is worse than Pappu patel right now. :))

I have zero confidence he will catch anything.

Has a longgg way to go.
 
Give Rahane one more series. If he doesn’t perform then replace him with Pant. And bring in Saha as a keeper.
 
Another thing he has going for him is that he can bat anywhere in the top 6 or 7. That is a gem for any captain.
 
That was a wonderful innings. He looks like a player who wants to dictate terms and he did dictate terms against Leach in particular and didn’t let him settle in at all. He did the same in Australia. Credit where it’s due, he is a fearless player and will go a long way!
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
That is not how it goes with players like Pant. He won't change his style. Afridi and Maxwell are good examples of this. :inti
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Except the Gabba one, which was somewhat uncharacteristic of him and if he could play according to that, its good.
 
Pant is a confidence player. He does take a lot of chances irrespective of situation and it’s working for him. When runs dry up and luck plays a part, this can also lead to failures. But no doubt he will keep playing that way and nice addition to team. if team would have got a good start and him coming at 250/4 he would turn a match on its head with this type of innings
 
Chrish said:
He can still take catches that Pant can only dream of. Bottom line is Pant is terrible.
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We need to move on from Saha. Give Pant a couple of test series at home behind stumps and he will be fine.

Need to bring KL Rahul at no.5.

Gill
Paddikal
Pujara
Kohli
KL
Pant(wkt)
Jadeja( Sundar/Pandya as backup)
Ashwin
Shami/Siraj
Ishant
Bumrah

3 left handers in top 7.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
That is not how it goes with players like Pant. He won't change his style. Afridi and Maxwell are good examples of this. :inti
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You are once again showing your dishonesty comparing him with Afridi or Maxwell. His attack yesterday was well calculated and something those players cannot even dream of

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...s-playbook-there-s-no-room-for-boring-1250672

There was as much calculation in going after Leach as there was at being watchful against Bess at the other end. Pant taking on a left-arm spinner is almost always the best option: in 54 balls against left-arm spin in Test cricket, he hits a four or a six every 5.4 balls and is yet to be dismissed. Against right-arm spinners, whom he has faced considerably more (517 balls), that boundary rate is one every 11 balls and he has been out 11 times in 22 innings
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I have never seen Afridi make such calculations and hit only one bowler.

The audacity of his attacking game has often belied a rather intelligent batsman in his short career. On a turning pitch, nearly everything he did until he eventually fell to Bess' offspin was calculative. Based on the trouble Leach caused Washington Sundar later in the day, it's safe to say that Pant's attack against him almost single-handedly delayed one of England's frontline threats. It also helped Pujara immediately at the other end, as depicted in these pitchmaps below from an early point in their partnership.
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JaDed said:
Except the Gabba one, which was somewhat uncharacteristic of him and if he could play according to that, its good.
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Even this inning was very very well calculated. See my post above. I am baffled people who watched the match ddint see he ONLY attacked one bowler, Leach. He has never got out to a singe left armer and has one boundary, every 4 5 balls to them. His each innings is calculated
 
Saj said:
This type of batsman rarely changes his style of batting.

Sometimes this works and other times it can end up in failure.

It'll be interesting to see how his career develops.

I hope he doesn't change.
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He played 100 balls for 50 in Brisbane. Even his attacks are very well planned and he chooses which bowler to target. He didn't hit a single ball of Bess in air before he reached 90, all of his arial shots and 6s were of Leach.
 
Since so many people are already calling him Sehwag 2.0 or even better than Sehwag/Gilly. How about we drop Rohit, open with Pant and play a specialist keeper like Saha/Bharat? I am pretty sure he will take the game away from the opposition right from the start and score triple hundreds for fun. Not to mention completing his 100s, 200s and 300s through sixes. We are wasting his talent in middle order. What do his die hard fans like [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] or [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION] suggest?

This is a serious suggestion. Rohit isn't doing anything special at the top and same can be said about Pant's wicketkeeping. Let the discussion rolling. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Since so many people are already calling him Sehwag 2.0 or even better than Sehwag/Gilly. How about we drop Rohit, open with Pant and play a specialist keeper like Saha/Bharat? I am pretty sure he will take the game away from the opposition right from the start and score triple hundreds for fun. Not to mention completing his 100s, 200s and 300s through sixes. We are wasting his talent in middle order. What do his die hard fans like [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] or [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION] suggest?

This is a serious suggestion. Rohit isn't doing anything special at the top and same can be said about Pant's wicketkeeping. Let the discussion rolling. :inti
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You don't expose stroke makers to new ball.

Pant will be destructive with old ball.

Even shubman Gill is wasted as an opener. He will wreak more havoc in middle order.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Now as to why Rohit opens... Don't ask me that. :))
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Yeah agreed, I would actually give Shaw another shot and drop Rohit in tests. Doubt it will happen as Rohit and Kohli are very close friends and Shaw is out of form.. If Shaw and Gill clicked as openers the innings would be full of unforgettable strokeplay...... Ahhh I will wait for this day...
 
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