The Rishabh Pant thread

[Ab Fan]

Looks like am not the only one stating its a dropped catch please look below and its obvious you didn't watch the whole test.

https://newsbust.in/vihari-pant-dro...tch-of-bairstow-british-need-119-runs-to-win/

<B>Okay so he has 100 dismissals the quickiest Indian does that mean he's as good as Dhoni as a captain</B>.How many has he dropped ?.Even ponting wasn't go impressed with his keeping.

I think you mean as keeper. Ofcourse in tests, he is as good as MSD behind sticks. MSD wasn't really a great keeper in tests. Had the toughest of times in England behind sticks and this is mentioned by Vaughan and Naseer numerous times too.

Also that link is not a convincing evidence. These articles are written to get more views and that is all the legitimacy of that. Tomorrow if I write an article about stats padder in cricket then I would put Babar in it as it will help me get more views and as result generate revenues. This won't make that article a legitimate one ofcourse although his strike rate in T20Is actually makes a strong case for that.

Pant's catch was not qualified enough to be called as a "dropped one". It was a half chance. If you are looking for someone who is a bad test keeper then that is Jos Buttler. He drops a lot of catch. Pant has record of fastest to 100 dismissals which is only possible when you pick most of the catches you get. He is just that sort of personality that receives extra attention and that is why such small things are brought so closely. On verge of becoming one of the test greats without a doubt.

 

[Saurav]

Really like him opening. He can transform his LOI career here

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

26(15) - looks like he will open for India in t20s. Very good knock.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

26(15) - looks like he will open for India in t20s. Very good knock.

Kishan has played better knocks than him as an opener in his short career of 18 matches.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kishan has played better knocks than him as an opener in his short career of 18 matches.

Pant as an opener in t20 is gonna do wonders.He isn't suited to middle order.

Kishan is good but Pant is a generational talent and looks like team India has finally found a proper way to utilize him in t20s, he will get a long rope here too.

The most important thing here is that in our top order we usually have accumulators and with inclusion of Pant we gonna have a trailblazer.

Wait for it, I told you Pant is gonna be great in tests and that's already done, next is t20s.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pant as an opener in t20 is gonna do wonders.He isn't suited to middle order.

Kishan is good but Pant is a generational talent and looks like team India has finally found a proper way to utilize him in t20s, he will get a long rope here too.

The most important thing here is that in our top order we usually have accumulators and with inclusion of Pant we gonna have a trailblazer.

Wait for it, I told you Pant is gonna be great in tests and that's already done, next is t20s.

Pant 1(5) while chasing a target of 215. These experiments will cost India. He should stick to tests and try improve his overall record there especially in places like NZ, SA, England and West Indies. Let KL, Kishan or someone else handle the opening spot.

 

[shamaan]

India fans have got thier wish with Pant opening the batting.

 

[Hextro]

Pant averages 18.8 with an SR of 116 in 26 innings against the top 5 T20 teams. Pant desperately needs to improve his T20 performances.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pant 1(5) while chasing a target of 215. These experiments will cost India. He should stick to tests and try improve his overall record there especially in places like NZ, SA, England and West Indies. Let KL, Kishan or someone else handle the opening spot.

Unless KL can handle both keeping and batting, Pant will play because theres no other keeper. Probably the best keeper so will play just for that

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Unless KL can handle both keeping and batting, Pant will play because theres no other keeper. Probably the best keeper so will play just for that

Good luck winning world cup with this team then. Repeating the same mistake over and over again. Pant has played 50 T20s and he has a strike rate of 124 lol. Other guys don't get as many chances as Pant and they have performed better than him. Playing KL as a keeper or Karthik as a keeper is good enough and it will give India an option to go with a specialist but ofcourse you need some knowledge to understand these things.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pant averages 18.8 with an SR of 116 in 26 innings against the top 5 T20 teams. Pant desperately needs to improve his T20 performances.

His overall stats aren't better either.

He has played 50 T20s which is a lot. Average of 22.59 and strike rate of 124.47 isn't good especially when you are getting the backing from team management to go out there and play freely. Guys like Kishan, Gill, Shaw, Hooda, Samson on the other hand have to prove themselves in every inning.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Good luck winning world cup with this team then. Repeating the same mistake over and over again. Pant has played 50 T20s and he has a strike rate of 124 lol. Other guys don't get as many chances as Pant and they have performed better than him. Playing KL as a keeper or Karthik as a keeper is good enough and it will give India an option to go with a specialist but ofcourse you need some knowledge to understand these things.

Right. Because previous Indian teams were winning tournaments left , right and centre Karthik was dropping regulation catches .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Right. Because previous Indian teams were winning tournaments left , right and centre Karthik was dropping regulation catches .

Spoken like a true f@nboy. Just because previous teams didn't win tournaments which also included Pant, you want to repeat the same mistake. Waah bhai waah.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Spoken like a true f@nboy. Just because previous teams didn't which also included Pant, you want to repeat the same mistake.

Says the guy who supported the likes of dhoni and rayudu before the 2019 World Cup. Better to keep quiet and let others think you're dumb than open mouth and remove any doubt

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Says the guy who supported the likes of dhoni and rayudu before the 2019 World Cup. Better to keep quiet and let others think you're dumb than open mouth and remove any doubt

How about you apply this to yourself because at least I am posting his mediocre T20 stats to back my point whereas you have nothing else to debate except arguing like an idiot.

And the way Pant and Pandya batted in that world cup, I think I wasn't wrong in supporting Dhoni and Rayudu there. And we all saw what happened in the last T20 world cup as well. There were no Dhoni or Rayudu to take the blame.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

How about you apply this to yourself because at least I am posting his mediocre T20 stats to back my point whereas you have nothing else to debate except arguing like an idiot.

And the way Pant and Pandya batted in that world cup, I think I wasn't wrong in supporting Dhoni and Rayudu there. And we all saw what happened in the last T20 world cup as well. There were no Dhoni or Rayudu to take the blame.

Hardik Pandya averaged 32 striking at 112 with the bat and took 10 wickets with the ball in 2019 World Cup. A very good performance for an allrounder .

But let's not get in the way of your low IQ narratives

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hardik Pandya averaged 32 striking at 112 with the bat and took 10 wickets with the ball in 2019 World Cup. A very good performance for an allrounder .

But let's not get in the way of your low IQ narratives

What happened to him in the semi final of that world cup? And T20 WC in UAE then? Anyway why are you bringing Pandya, Dhoni in Pant's thread? Dhoni has retired. I supported him over Pant because I chose the least worst option out of two at that time and it was Dhoni. I was proven right at that time as well something which people with low IQ will never understand.

Now can we start discussing Pant's T20s stats in this thread? Or are you going to shift the goal post here as well?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

What happened to him in the semi final of that world cup? And T20 WC in UAE then? Anyway why are you bringing Pandya, Dhoni in Pant's thread? Dhoni has retired. I supported him over Pant because I chose the least worst option out of two at that time and it was Dhoni. I was proven right at that time as well something which people with low IQ will never understand.

Now can we start discussing Pant's T20s stats in this thread? Or are you going to shift the goal post here as well?

Pant had only played 5 odis before that World Cup. He simply did not get enough matches at the time. Dhoni was averaging 25 and striking at 70 in 2018 and yet you were backing him. What exactly did Dhoni do apart from losing that England game in the World Cup. Yrah you sure were right

For someone who had no trouble backing a mediocre Dhoni, you seem to struggle to accept the fact that mediocre Pant is the best keeping option now.

 

[shamaan]

What happened to him in the semi final of that world cup? And T20 WC in UAE then? Anyway why are you bringing Pandya, Dhoni in Pant's thread? Dhoni has retired. I supported him over Pant because I chose the least worst option out of two at that time and it was Dhoni. I was proven right at that time as well something which people with low IQ will never understand.

Now can we start discussing Pant's T20s stats in this thread? Or are you going to shift the goal post here as well?

Pant had only played 5 odis before that World Cup. He simply did not get enough matches at the time. Dhoni was averaging 25 and striking at 70 in 2018 and yet you were backing him. What exactly did Dhoni do apart from losing that England game in the World Cup. Yrah you sure were right

For someone who had no trouble backing a mediocre Dhoni, you seem to struggle to accept the fact that mediocre Pant is the best keeping option now.

Dhoni was a proper keeper Pant is a average keeper

 

[JaDed]

Dhoni was a proper keeper Pant is a average keeper

Dhoni in earlier years was pretty average.. he improved a lot in later years.

 

[JaDed]

The problem with Kishan is he is extremely inconsistent , Pant has shown in tests what he is capable of, thats why it makes sense to play him over Ishan(whose attitude problems are well documented).

Pant has always been a promising youngster, whether he takes the chances given to him in LOI is upto him.

Pant’s keeping from 2 yrs ago has improved leaps and bounds, which makes me think he loves improving as well.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What happened to him in the semi final of that world cup? And T20 WC in UAE then? Anyway why are you bringing Pandya, Dhoni in Pant's thread? Dhoni has retired. I supported him over Pant because I chose the least worst option out of two at that time and it was Dhoni. I was proven right at that time as well something which people with low IQ will never understand.

Now can we start discussing Pant's T20s stats in this thread? Or are you going to shift the goal post here as well?

Pant had only played 5 odis before that World Cup. He simply did not get enough matches at the time. Dhoni was averaging 25 and striking at 70 in 2018 and yet you were backing him. What exactly did Dhoni do apart from losing that England game in the World Cup. Yrah you sure were right

For someone who had no trouble backing a mediocre Dhoni, you seem to struggle to accept the fact that mediocre Pant is the best keeping option now.

So what are Pant stats in T20s? You keep bringing Dhoni for some reason. I wasn't his f@nboy and I actually criticiser him as well. Let's discuss the current wicketkeeper options in T20s, shall we?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So what are Pant stats in T20s? You keep bringing Dhoni for some reason. I wasn't his f@nboy and I actually criticiser him as well. Let's discuss the current wicketkeeper options in T20s, shall we?

The point is he is the best keeper available in T20s atm with DK missing regulation chances. That underedge catch off Bhuvaneshwar alone is something neither DK nor Rahul can pull off at this stage .

So, his batting stats are not that relevant . He's the least worst option as pure keeper. So he plays

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The point is he is the best keeper available in T20s atm with DK missing regulation chances. That underedge catch off Bhuvaneshwar alone is something neither DK nor Rahul can pull off at this stage .

So, his batting stats are not that relevant . He's the least worst option as pure keeper. So he plays

So now his wicketkeeping is important and batting is not relevant? Then you talk about low IQ and stuff. Waah bhai waah.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So now his wicketkeeping is important and batting is not relevant? Then you talk about low IQ and stuff. Waah bhai waah.

His last 21 matches he averages 26 and strikes at 130. Also, he is the best keeper. You supported Dhoni with 25 average and 70 strike rate for the World Cup and now you have issues with Pant. Low IQ as it gets

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

His last 21 matches he averages 26 and strikes at 130. Also, he is the best keeper. You supported Dhoni with 25 average and 70 strike rate for the World Cup and now you have issues with Pant. Low IQ as it gets

So you are going to pick and choose stats to support your agenda now. Wow. If you are only looking for the best keeper why not select Saha then? You are running out of excuses it seems and constantly bringing Dhoni's name who has nothing to do with the current thread. I supported Dhoni over Pant in 2019 ODI World Cup and here we are talking about T20 WC. Even a 4 year old kid knows Dhoni was past his date at that time but was preferred for his experience by the team management. Kishan, KL or Karthik should be preferred over Pant in T20s. You surely don't understand team balance and importance of having specialists in the team. Ja bhai aur mehnat kar.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So you are going to pick and choose stats to support your agenda now. Wow. If you are only looking for the best keeper why not select Saha then? You are running out of excuses it seems and constantly bringing Dhoni's name who has nothing to do with the current thread. I supported Dhoni over Pant in 2019 ODI World Cup and here we are talking about T20 WC. Even a 4 year old kid knows Dhoni was past his date at that time but was preferred for his experience by the team management. Kishan, KL or Karthik should be preferred over Pant in T20s. You surely don't understand team balance and importance of having specialists in the team. Ja bhai aur mehnat kar.

And you do? The only point of picking his stats was to show that be is not as bad as his overall stats show. In the last year and a half, he has been better.

Pant is a better keeper than any of those guys at present. You talk about team balance and constantly trash Pabsya who is the best seam allrounder in the country.

No eye for talent or brains to judge players. And then talks about team balance

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And you do? The only point of picking his stats was to show that be is not as bad as his overall stats show. In the last year and a half, he has been better.

Pant is a better keeper than any of those guys at present. You talk about team balance and constantly trash Pabsya who is the best seam allrounder in the country.

No eye for talent or brains to judge players. And then talks about team balance

Kishan has better stats and KL will be even better especially if he can keep wickets. Pant may be a good keeper now but he is not someone who can't be replaced as a keeper lol. His batting is nothing special in T20s and we have good enough data to conclude that. Ideally KL and Rohit should open in the world cup.

Pandya is the best seam allrounder in the country? The standards have fallen surely. From being the best allrounder in the world to country now? I have no problem with that statement.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Kishan has better stats and KL will be even better especially if he can keep wickets. Pant may be a good keeper now but he is not someone who can't be replaced as a keeper lol. His batting is nothing special in T20s and we have good enough data to conclude that. Ideally KL and Rohit should open in the world cup.

Pandya is the best seam allrounder in the country? The standards have fallen surely. From being the best allrounder in the world to country now? I have no problem with that statement.

I never claimed that he is the best in the world. You dont have to put words in my mouth Anyway enough of this discussion, we will see where this team is headed and how things unfold with Pant.

 

[shamaan]

I think you mean as keeper. Ofcourse in tests, he is as good as MSD behind sticks. MSD wasn't really a great keeper in tests. Had the toughest of times in England behind sticks and this is mentioned by Vaughan and Naseer numerous times too.

Also that link is not a convincing evidence. These articles are written to get more views and that is all the legitimacy of that. Tomorrow if I write an article about stats padder in cricket then I would put Babar in it as it will help me get more views and as result generate revenues. This won't make that article a legitimate one ofcourse although his strike rate in T20Is actually makes a strong case for that.

Pant's catch was not qualified enough to be called as a "dropped one". It was a half chance. If you are looking for someone who is a bad test keeper then that is Jos Buttler. He drops a lot of catch. Pant has record of fastest to 100 dismissals which is only possible when you pick most of the catches you get. He is just that sort of personality that receives extra attention and that is why such small things are brought so closely. On verge of becoming one of the test greats without a doubt.

Have you not read what ponting said about Pants keeping ?.

Even if you state its half a chance its still classed as a dropped catch.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This thread man.....

Pant supporters vs Pant sour grape haters.

Either Pant is the best or Pant is now not good enough for T20s because they can no longer scrutinize him for the test matches...

Just leave it be imo, I don't think this thread needs to be bumped every time he flops or scores.....

 

[pillionrider]

The last year of Pant's keeping including saved runs, one-handed catches has finished that topic.

Now all that's left is some dodgy ODI/T20 claim which also will end soon.

Sadly, like they did with Dhoni, they can't even wait for Pant to retire to rediscover his greatness and use him to put down the next Indian wicketkeeping talent that comes up. Because he's got another decade left

Tough decade ahead

 

[MP2011]

2 catches (Bairstow & Stokes) Pant took in the first ODI were simply sensational.

 

[MenInG]

So where do we rate Pant today?

WICKET! Pant c sub (Salt) b Carse 0 - India 29-3 (TARGET 247)

Well, what an introduction to the attack for Carse as he replaces Topley at the Pavilion End. He sends down a fuller deliver second ball and Pant smacks it straight to substitute fielder Phil Salt at mid-on.

India are three down and Yadav is the new man in.


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[shamaan]

2 catches (Bairstow & Stokes) Pant took in the first ODI were simply sensational.

Didn't he drop a catch aswell down the legside.

 

[Technics 1210]

So where do we rate Pant today?

WICKET! Pant c sub (Salt) b Carse 0 - India 29-3 (TARGET 247)

Well, what an introduction to the attack for Carse as he replaces Topley at the Pavilion End. He sends down a fuller deliver second ball and Pant smacks it straight to substitute fielder Phil Salt at mid-on.

India are three down and Yadav is the new man in.


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Normal services have resumed.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pant is overrated in LOI. But, he is okay in Test (based on his record so far).

It is weird because his style of batting is supposed to suit LOI more.

 

[pillionrider]

But, he is okay in Test (based on his record so far).

Do you think he can become as good as Mushfiqur eventually?

 

[sweep_shot]

Do you think he can become as good as Mushfiqur eventually?

He is better than Mushfiqur. Mushfiqur is not even in the picture.

His competitors are De Kock and Rizwan. I think De Kock and Rizwan are better than him (all formats combined).

 

[Ab Fan]

Have you not read what ponting said about Pants keeping ?.

Even if you state its half a chance its still classed as a dropped catch.

I read it 2.5 years ago during IPL 2020. Back then he was not a permanent fixture at home matches due to keeping. That is what Ponting said but since then he has made a permanent fixture and improved his keeping vastly.

He is a Qdk level keeper with gloves and as a batsman, he is way better than Rizwan and already surpassed Qdk due to the kind of impact knocks he has played in Tests. Qdk hasn't played knocks of that significance in tests.

That cannot be classed as dropped catch. Even Rizwan would have dropped it too. It would have been catch of decade had he taken that.

 

[Smbhayi]

So far underperformed in white ball cricket.. i think he need to be dropped from loi team.. he comeback strongly in test cricket after dropping him so same may happen here too.. actually he shouldn't be part of t20i team.. even in ipl he struggled when he need to hit from ball 1..

 

[Rajdeep]

I believe Rishab Pant should open in white ball cricket. With Dhawan in decline, Pant should open along with Rohit Sharma for us in ODIs.

I would play the following line up in 2023 world cup

Pant
Sharma
Kohli
SKY/Gill
KL Rahul
Pandya

 

[Hextro]

Pant is a decent slogger to have in your ODI team. Although Pant is a burden in T20s.

 

[shamaan]

I read it 2.5 years ago during IPL 2020. Back then he was not a permanent fixture at home matches due to keeping. That is what Ponting said but since then he has made a permanent fixture and improved his keeping vastly.

He is a Qdk level keeper with gloves and as a batsman, he is way better than Rizwan and already surpassed Qdk due to the kind of impact knocks he has played in Tests. Qdk hasn't played knocks of that significance in tests.

That cannot be classed as dropped catch. Even Rizwan would have dropped it too. It would have been catch of decade had he taken that.

It wasn't 2.5 years ago it was about 1.5 years ago in Australia were ponting stated that has dropped more catches than any other keeper since his debut and needs to work harder.

Yes I agree he's proberly QDK level and Rizwan is double the keeper QDK is.

Rizwan is better athlete he would you could him anywhere in the field and he Will stil take blinders.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So far underperformed in white ball cricket.. i think he need to be dropped from loi team.. he comeback strongly in test cricket after dropping him so same may happen here too.. actually he shouldn't be part of t20i team.. even in ipl he struggled when he need to hit from ball 1..

The kind of support and chances he has got in LOIs from this team management is unbelievable. He has played at almost all positions, yet he has an average record in LOIs so far. Due to this I think he has performed below par in LOIs. Not saying he should be dropped from ODIs but we have better options than him in T20Is. He should be dropped from T20Is based on his stats and the number of chances he got as compared to others.

 

[Ab Fan]

It wasn't 2.5 years ago it was about 1.5 years ago in Australia were ponting stated that has dropped more catches than any other keeper since his debut and needs to work harder.

Yes I agree he's proberly QDK level and Rizwan is double the keeper QDK is.

Rizwan is better athlete he would you could him anywhere in the field and he Will stil take blinders.

It was before the England home series and during IPL 2020 in October so roughly about 2 years now. Pant proved everyone wrong after that England home series and then he was consistently part of Indian team and winning matches one after another.

Rizwan lol, he is just an above average cricketer. 30 year old, was struggling to replace Sarfaraz of all for a long time, no impact knocks with bat and has been lucky to get into Pakistan team at an age where his keeping was a finished product. He has the ceiling of BJ Watling in Test Cricket, whether he reaches that far is still a question.

1000 runs at age of 30 in Tests, he is to Pant what KL Rahul is to Babar.

 

[Ab Fan]

The kind of support and chances he has got in LOIs from this team management is unbelievable. He has played at almost all positions, yet he has an average record in LOIs so far. Due to this I think he has performed below par in LOIs. Not saying he should be dropped from ODIs but we have better options than him in T20Is. He should be dropped from T20Is based on his stats and the number of chances he got as compared to others.

He should play the next World Cup as it is in Australia. If he fails there then can be dropped

 

[shamaan]

It was before the England home series and during IPL 2020 in October so roughly about 2 years now. Pant proved everyone wrong after that England home series and then he was consistently part of Indian team and winning matches one after another.

Rizwan lol, he is just an above average cricketer. 30 year old, was struggling to replace Sarfaraz of all for a long time, no impact knocks with bat and has been lucky to get into Pakistan team at an age where his keeping was a finished product. He has the ceiling of BJ Watling in Test Cricket, whether he reaches that far is still a question.

1000 runs at age of 30 in Tests, he is to Pant what KL Rahul is to Babar.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-capitals-ipl-sydney-test/article33521989.ece in 2021.



Rizwan is 30 but he proberly will play until he's 40 that's how good his fitness levels are unlike Pant.Average cricketer who averages 50 in t20s,42 in tests by the way how is Pant doing opening ?

 

[Ab Fan]

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-capitals-ipl-sydney-test/article33521989.ece in 2021.



Rizwan is 30 but he proberly will play until he's 40 that's how good his fitness levels are unlike Pant.Average cricketer who averages 50 in t20s,42 in tests by the way how is Pant doing opening ?

Batting average is a wrong metric unless the runs tally is atleast 2000 runs. Currently Shreyas Iyer averages 46 in Test too but he is not that good. Any standout knock from Rizwan in Tests and ODIs? I can't recall. Pant has numerous such knocks at age of 24 only.

Rest of your points is simply based on assumptions which is again an irrelevant measure. Comparing Rizwan to Pant is like comparing KLR to Babar and this is quite obvious based on their age as well as performance.

 

[Smbhayi]

He should play the next World Cup as it is in Australia. If he fails there then can be dropped

Why should he selected even failing consistently in that format..? On other side Sanju is dropped after scoring fifty

..

 

[Ab Fan]

Why should he selected even failing consistently in that format..? On other side Sanju is dropped after scoring fifty

..

Sanju scored a fifty vs Ireland. In the same game, Hooda scored a hundred so Hooda has sealed that spot over Sanju plus he gives off spin also. Also, performance vs Ireland cannot be equated to performance vs England and other top teams.

In Australia, Sanju failed to make a mark in the chances he got. He was only selected for Ireland matches as he belongs to the third string Indian T20 team as of now.

In Australian conditions, I will pick him over Iyer though but KLR, Pant, SKY and Pandya are sureshots with no major weakness compared to Sanju and Iyer. Sanju is weak vs leg spin and not suited in middle order while Iyer is weak vs bounce. Hooda is ahead of these two as he can bat in middle order and bowl some off spin too if required.

 

[Smbhayi]

Sanju scored a fifty vs Ireland. In the same game, Hooda scored a hundred so Hooda has sealed that spot over Sanju plus he gives off spin also. Also, performance vs Ireland cannot be equated to performance vs England and other top teams.

In Australia, Sanju failed to make a mark in the chances he got. He was only selected for Ireland matches as he belongs to the third string Indian T20 team as of now.

In Australian conditions, I will pick him over Iyer though but KLR, Pant, SKY and Pandya are sureshots with no major weakness compared to Sanju and Iyer. Sanju is weak vs leg spin and not suited in middle order while Iyer is weak vs bounce. Hooda is ahead of these two as he can bat in middle order and bowl some off spin too if required.

Both Pant and Rahul need time to settle, they can't attack from ball 1.. also they got multiple chance to prove their worth, Sanju didn't.. and Sanju only plays 4 games (3 innings) this year, so it's not fair to say he failed..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sanju scored a fifty vs Ireland. In the same game, Hooda scored a hundred so Hooda has sealed that spot over Sanju plus he gives off spin also. Also, performance vs Ireland cannot be equated to performance vs England and other top teams.

In Australia, Sanju failed to make a mark in the chances he got. He was only selected for Ireland matches as he belongs to the third string Indian T20 team as of now.

In Australian conditions, I will pick him over Iyer though but KLR, Pant, SKY and Pandya are sureshots with no major weakness compared to Sanju and Iyer. Sanju is weak vs leg spin and not suited in middle order while Iyer is weak vs bounce. Hooda is ahead of these two as he can bat in middle order and bowl some off spin too if required.

It is pretty obvious you are biased. Pant has played 50 T20s and he also has failed to make a mark in the chances he got. Now compare this to others who got less chances but still have better stats to show than Pant in T20Is.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Both Pant and Rahul need time to settle, they can't attack from ball 1.. also they got multiple chance to prove their worth, Sanju didn't.. and Sanju only plays 4 games (3 innings) this year, so it's not fair to say he failed..

When I say the exact same thing these guys start losing their mind. Giving endless opportunities to Pant, Pandya, Rahul and limited opportunities to others like Samson, Shaw etc. They think I am their fan just because I am demanding equal number of opprtunities for others to showcase their talent. I don't around places and hype these guys. I want them to get at least a handful of chances before getting discarded by selectors. Playing 1 or 2 matches then getting dropped, then again playing 1 or 2 matches is not going to help them. It is obvious TM doesn't show as much faith and confidence as they are showing in Pant, Pandya or KL.

 

[Ab Fan]

Both Pant and Rahul need time to settle, they can't attack from ball 1.. also they got multiple chance to prove their worth, Sanju didn't.. and Sanju only plays 4 games (3 innings) this year, so it's not fair to say he failed..

Not sure why you need any player who attacks from ball 1 unless he is a designated finisher like DK.

Pant got chances because he is excellent vs spin, pace , bounce and has shown his talent and ability through performance in domestics(IPL) and other formats( Tests and ODIs).

Samson has far more weakness in his game and has been far more inconsistent which is why his IPL career average is 29 while for Pant, it is 34. Also, being a left hander and a superior keeper helps.

Pant and SKY are lock-in while Sanju needs to compete with Iyer first. Sanju got chances vs SL also but he didn't capitalised that also.

 

[Mamoon]

The same ignoramuses who thought Pant wasn’t good enough for Test cricket are now doubting him in LOIs. They just don’t learn and love to humiliate themselves.

Pant is the next Gilchrist and like his predecessor, needs to open in LOIs.

 

[Savak]

His limited overs struggles have occurred because teams have done their homework on him and are bowling outside off stump with a packed off side field, his off side stroke play against pacers is not as good as his leg side play

 

[shamaan]

Batting average is a wrong metric unless the runs tally is atleast 2000 runs. Currently Shreyas Iyer averages 46 in Test too but he is not that good. Any standout knock from Rizwan in Tests and ODIs? I can't recall. Pant has numerous such knocks at age of 24 only.

Rest of your points is simply based on assumptions which is again an irrelevant measure. Comparing Rizwan to Pant is like comparing KLR to Babar and this is quite obvious based on their age as well as performance.

Who says it's the wrong metric only you ?
Depends what you call stand out knocks everyone has thier own interpretation on this.

Did you read the link about his keeping ?

 

[Technics 1210]

Stand out knocks = 100s in losing causes.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

says it's the wrong metric only you ?
Depends what you call stand out knocks everyone has thier own interpretation on this.

Did you read the link about his keeping ?

Exactly. He decides these metrics to suit his agenda.

 

[Ab Fan]

The same ignoramuses who thought Pant wasn’t good enough for Test cricket are now doubting him in LOIs. They just don’t learn and love to humiliate themselves.

Pant is the next Gilchrist and like his predecessor, needs to open in LOIs.

Yeah, humble pies coming soon for them in LOIs as well as they got in Tests

 

[Ab Fan]

Who says it's the wrong metric only you ?
Depends what you call stand out knocks everyone has thier own interpretation on this.

Did you read the link about his keeping ?

Glad you accept that Shreyas Iyer ( average of 46) is a better test batsman than Babar Azam( average of 45) based on your own metrics lol

The link as it is already proved was long back. You have already made a mockery of your own argument right there. Ponting won't come out saying the same now because he knows Pant has improved his keeping by miles

 

[Technics 1210]

These humble pies must be stone cold if we see one every other 25 games. )

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

These humble pies must be stone cold if we see one every other 25 games. )

Exactly lol. Just see the pattern in this thread.

 

[Rajdeep]

The same ignoramuses who thought Pant wasn’t good enough for Test cricket are now doubting him in LOIs. They just don’t learn and love to humiliate themselves.

Pant is the next Gilchrist and like his predecessor, needs to open in LOIs.

Thank you. I have been saying this for ages that Pant needs to open. He is someone who can take advantage of the powerplay overs in both ODIs & T20s. I would move KL Rahul in middle order to accomodate Pant.

As for the ignoramuses, didnt they had egg in their face enough during Australia tour? Some even went hiding after his recent test century. They just seems to not learn but as cricket experts we cant swayed away by ignoramuses and have to call spade a spade.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Thank you. I have been saying this for ages that Pant needs to open. He is someone who can take advantage of the powerplay overs in both ODIs & T20s. I would move KL Rahul in middle order to accomodate Pant.

As for the ignoramuses, didnt they had egg in their face enough during Australia tour? Some even went hiding after his recent test century. They just seems to not learn but as cricket experts we cant swayed away by ignoramuses and have to call spade a spade.

Tu rehne de bhai tujhse na hoga. You got an egg on your face just recently in the second ODI. Wipe it off, clear your screen also and see his LOI stats. If you do get time after that then don't forget to look at his stats in NZ, West Indies, South Africa and even England. The above poster was right, some of you serve humble pies after 20-25 games or so and start questioning the valid criticism of these players. Just because he played well in Australia he can't be criticised. Laxman also played well in Australia but had a very poor LOI stats.

 

[Rajdeep]

Tu rehne de bhai tujhse na hoga. You got an egg on your face just recently in the second ODI. Wipe it off, clear your screen also and see his LOI stats. If you do get time after that then don't forget to look at his stats in NZ, West Indies, South Africa and even England. The above poster was right, some of you serve humble pies after 20-25 games or so and start questioning the valid criticism of these players. Just because he played well in Australia he can't be criticised. Laxman also played well in Australia but had a very poor LOI stats.

Mujhse kya hoga...nehi hoga...tujhe sochne ka zarurat nehi hai. Kitni baar bolu tujhe re Viru...lol

Pant is just 24 and already played match winning knocks in Eng, Aust, Ind against top sides which no other wicket keeper from Indian history manage to do it. All cricket pundits consider him as next big thing. Obviously he will be backed on all formats based on potential. A 24 year promising cricketer is backed on potential and not on stats. He has enough time to correct his stats in all countries. Shaheen Afridi avgs 37 with red ball in SENA....do Pakistani fans consider him as failure? No...he is backed bcoz we all have eyes and can see he is talented enough to change those stats in future.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

These humble pies must be stone cold if we see one every other 25 games. )

He averages more than Rizwan in test and ODI cricket, while Rizwan gets all praises here Pant is criticised like no other.

Now add to this the fact that he is just 24 years old.

The fact is that he has smashed all dimwits in this thread in their face with his bat, which they haven't been able to recuperate from.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Currently he is the greatest cricketer in the world .

 

[Technics 1210]

He averages more than Rizwan in test and ODI cricket, while Rizwan gets all praises here Pant is criticised like no other.

Now add to this the fact that he is just 24 years old.

The fact is that he has smashed all dimwits in this thread in their face with his bat, which they haven't been able to recuperate from.

Rizwan has nothing to do with this thread, this is not a comparison thread, but the fact you can only counter with a pointless mention of Rizwan is by virtue an acceptance of mediocre hyped performance of Pant.

Your bakery plans of Pant humble pies was stretching from Tests, ODIs, and T20s - now reduced to just Tests.

Maybe try pasties next.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Currently he is the greatest cricketer in the world .

He's not even the greatest cricketer in the Indian team right now...

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He averages more than Rizwan in test and ODI cricket, while Rizwan gets all praises here Pant is criticised like no other.

Now add to this the fact that he is just 24 years old.

The fact is that he has smashed all dimwits in this thread in their face with his bat, which they haven't been able to recuperate from.

Yeah that's because Rizwan's glovework is lightyears ahead of Pant's. Rizwan doesn't drop multiple sitters in a single match. Rizwan is not lazy and lethargic in the field either because he takes the game seriously which is evident by his level of fitness. Rizwan is also a far superior T20I batter than Rizwan right now.

Pant is one of the most exciting prospects in world cricket and I'm glad that he has set the world on fire with his test batting. But there is no need to overrate him. As of now, he is a mediocre keeper whose glovework leaves much to be desired and someone failed to establish himself as a reliable limited-overs batter thus far.

I don't know how you can even call him the "greatest cricketer in the world" right now with a straight face.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yeah that's because Rizwan's glovework is lightyears ahead of Pant's. Rizwan doesn't drop multiple sitters in a single match. Rizwan is not lazy and lethargic in the field either because he takes the game seriously which is evident by his level of fitness. Rizwan is also a far superior T20I batter than Rizwan right now.

Pant is one of the most exciting prospects in world cricket and I'm glad that he has set the world on fire with his test batting. But there is no need to overrate him. As of now, he is a mediocre keeper whose glovework leaves much to be desired and someone failed to establish himself as a reliable limited-overs batter thus far.

I don't know how you can even call him the "greatest cricketer in the world" right now with a straight face.

*Rizwan is also a far superior T20I batter than Pant right now

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Currently he is the greatest cricketer in the world .

Based on what?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Mujhse kya hoga...nehi hoga...tujhe sochne ka zarurat nehi hai. Kitni baar bolu tujhe re Viru...lol

Pant is just 24 and already played match winning knocks in Eng, Aust, Ind against top sides which no other wicket keeper from Indian history manage to do it. All cricket pundits consider him as next big thing. Obviously he will be backed on all formats based on potential. A 24 year promising cricketer is backed on potential and not on stats. He has enough time to correct his stats in all countries. Shaheen Afridi avgs 37 with red ball in SENA....do Pakistani fans consider him as failure? No...he is backed bcoz we all have eyes and can see he is talented enough to change those stats in future.

So he will play another 50 T20s to correct his stats? Waah bhaijaan waah.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yeah that's because Rizwan's glovework is lightyears ahead of Pant's. Rizwan doesn't drop multiple sitters in a single match. Rizwan is not lazy and lethargic in the field either because he takes the game seriously which is evident by his level of fitness. Rizwan is also a far superior T20I batter than Rizwan right now.

Pant is one of the most exciting prospects in world cricket and I'm glad that he has set the world on fire with his test batting. But there is no need to overrate him. As of now, he is a mediocre keeper whose glovework leaves much to be desired and someone failed to establish himself as a reliable limited-overs batter thus far.

I don't know how you can even call him the "greatest cricketer in the world" right now with a straight face.

Just goes to show how knowledgable he is. Throwing words like greatest or ATG casually for an active cricketer proves it.

 

[Rajdeep]

So he will play another 50 T20s to correct his stats? Waah bhaijaan waah.

Dhoni played 13 years of international T20s on reputation alone and based on his IPL heroics. He just have 1 T20I 50 and that too came in later part of his career. Pant is massive upgrade over him and considering his age/potential, it is only upswing from here. Infact, he would walk into any international side as a T20 player apart from England due to Butler factor.

#Truthbomb

 

[Ab Fan]

Dhoni was a nothing T20 cricketer. He batted at 5-6 all his career and retired with a joke of strike rate of 122. That's pretty poor for a lower order batsman. He played all his career based on reputation of a great ODI batsman. As a comparison to that, Pandya has a strike rate of 149 and he is playing in the team as all rounder.

Pant should also play atleast 100 T20I games based on reputation alone because he is a big match player as he showed in Sydney, Gabba, Centurion, Edgabaston and the WT20 match between India and Pakistan.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yeah that's because Rizwan's glovework is lightyears ahead of Pant's. .

Yeah ? You got stats to prove the above statement ?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Its fair to say that Pant has been almost a nobody in T20, in ODI's he has been avg as well.

However in tests he is the real deal, there is no real comparison with Rizwan, Pant is on another level... However Pant's loss of concentration and going for comical shots is a concern....