The Rishabh Pant thread

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So how long Pant should be allowed to play white ball cricket because he scored one century 6 months ago? He is clearly over weight and it’s affecting his batting. Until he improves his fitness he will be having problems in test matches too. His keeping improved but batting regressed big time.
If he doesn’t work on his fitness he won’t last beyond 30 yrs in Indian cricket, even with his usual backing from former players, Indian team and his Ipl team management backup.

Some fans won't understand this simple thing.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pant is indispensable.

Kishan says 'hi' with his first double century in ODIs.

 

[daytrader]

4000 international runs for Pant

 

[MenInG]

4000 international runs for Pant

Out for 46 but an important and key innings played - could well be a winning contribution at the end.

 

[Msd_7]

Fastest to 50 Test Sixes for India

51 inns - Rohit Sharma
54 inns - Rishabh Pant*

#BANvIND | #RishabhPant

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Fastest to 50 Test Sixes for India

51 inns - Rohit Sharma
54 inns - Rishabh Pant*

#BANvIND | #RishabhPant

Meaningless record in test cricket.

 

[MP2011]

Meaningless record in test cricket.

Indeed.

Sir Don hardly ever hit a six in test cricket but boy, was he a successful test Batsman?

 

[Ab Fan]

Best Indian test batsman since Kohli and Pujara minus keeping.

In my opinion, Pant has surpassed Rohit Sharma in tests who has got only one away hundred in his career and his age now is 36.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Strikes at a higher rate than all the bazballers!
He was playing bazball even before this term was coined.

 

[MP2011]

Best Indian test batsman since Kohli and Pujara minus keeping.

In my opinion, Pant has surpassed Rohit Sharma in tests who has got only one away hundred in his career and his age now is 36.

Surpassing Rohit in tests is nothing to be proud of.

 

[Ab Fan]

Surpassing Rohit in tests is nothing to be proud of.

At age of 24??

 

[MP2011]

At age of 24??

Yeah, even at 24.

Rohit has never been a good test batsmen, save at home which doesn't count for much.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Strikes at a higher rate than all the bazballers!
He was playing bazball even before this term was coined.

Why can't he play bazball in ODIs and T20s then?

 

[Majestic]

Pant is pantastic in tests.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yeah, even at 24.

Rohit has never been a good test batsmen, save at home which doesn't count for much.

Yes it doesn't count much for Rohit.

However, Pant definitely has made a strong case for himself in all time India Test XI which counts for a lot at age of 25 only.

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Pant(wkt)
Kohli

Simply sensational top 6! If you get Sehwag's wicket at top, challenge is now you need to get Pant .

 

[sweep_shot]

Would be interesting to see how Pant does on sluggish Mirpur pitch. I don't think his approach will work in Mirpur. Let's see.

 

[Suleiman]

Scored in a highly important game Vs Bangladesh against a fiery attack and sluggish pitch.

This is where legends are born.

 

[Hitman]

Scored in a highly important game Vs Bangladesh against a fiery attack and sluggish pitch.

This is where legends are born.

Did things in Australia in Test cricket that your 'legends' from the past can't even dream of.

 

[Suleiman]

Did things in Australia in Test cricket that your 'legends' from the past can't even dream of.

I don’t follow. Where does Pakistan fit into all this? Or do you think his innings Vs Bangla was poor?

I’m praising the guy for scoring rapidly coming in at 48/3 to take back momentum, you’re ranting about something else to cope with your complex with Pak cricket.

 

[Hitman]

I don’t follow. Where does Pakistan fit into all this? Or do you think his innings Vs Bangla was poor?

I’m praising the guy for scoring rapidly coming in at 48/3 to take back momentum, you’re ranting about something else to cope with your complex with Pak cricket.

Me or anyone else having complex with the current Pakistan team? )

Pant has done things in Test cricket that Babar Azam can't even dream of.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ashwin scored a 50 on the same pitch.

 

[Hitman]

Ashwin scored a 50 on the same pitch.

I think he is still crucial for our Test team at home.

 

[Suleiman]

Me or anyone else having complex with the current Pakistan team? )

Pant has done things in Test cricket that Babar Azam can't even dream of.

I mean if you have to state the obvious every time, then you definitely do have a complex. Mad insecurity in your posts so far lol.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think he is still crucial for our Test team at home.

At the moment he is a better test player than LOI player. Not saying he should be dropped but his fans should cut down the hype. Calling him greatest ever, better than Sachin, bazooka etc.

 

[Hitman]

I mean if you have to state the obvious every time, then you definitely do have a complex. Mad insecurity in your posts so far lol.

Not really. I don't obsess rating a choker as the best all format batsman currently. That obsession belongs to a different class of fans. I merely defended Pant, didn't rate him so and so. Pretty apparent the ones who are insecure.

 

[Hitman]

At the moment he is a better test player than LOI player. Not saying he should be dropped but his fans should cut down the hype. Calling him greatest ever, better than Sachin, bazooka etc.

I was speaking of Ashwin. As for Pant, I seriously believe he needs a break from LOI. Needs to fix his head first.

 

[Suleiman]

Not really. I don't obsess rating a choker as the best all format batsman currently. That obsession belongs to a different class of fans. I merely defended Pant, didn't rate him so and so. Pretty apparent the ones who are insecure.

Yet you can’t go one post without referring to Pakistan on a thread about an Indian player )

I didn’t bring up past teams of Pakistan in here, you did.

I didn’t bring up Babar or even infer that he’s superior to Pant in tests, yet you’re having imaginary arguments with yourself and generalizing.

 

[Hitman]

Yet you can’t go one post without referring to Pakistan on a thread about an Indian player )

I didn’t bring up past teams of Pakistan in here, you did.

I didn’t bring up Babar or even infer that he’s superior to Pant in tests, yet you’re having imaginary arguments with yourself and generalizing.

Whom are you kidding? Anyone with a brain knows your modus operandi.

 

[Suleiman]

Whom are you kidding? Anyone with a brain knows your modus operandi.

Again, not sure why you’re so worked up.

Me dissing Pant? Me saying Babar is better than him? Me saying there’s 101 Pakistani batsmen who’ve done better than Pant in tests in Australia?

Because none of those things have been said.

you’re imagining things and generalizing thinking every Pakistani fan is out to insult Indian players.

 

[Hitman]

Again, not sure why you’re so worked up.

Me dissing Pant? Me saying Babar is better than him? Me saying there’s 101 Pakistani batsmen who’ve done better than Pant in tests in Australia?

Because none of those things have been said.

you’re imagining things and generalizing thinking every Pakistani fan is out to insult Indian players.

Scored in a highly important game Vs Bangladesh against a fiery attack and sluggish pitch.

This is where legends are born.

If you had any shame, you'd stop arguing further.

 

[Suleiman]

If you had any shame, you'd stop arguing further.

He came under tough circumstances and scored. You’re incredibly emotional today and reading so much into it. )

 

[kukkad kamaal]

I think @ Suleiman was genuinely praising Pant lol.

 

[MenInG]

Salman Butt:

"Rishabh Pant jaise khelte hai waise hi khele phir ek innovation karne gaye aur ajeeb sa out hua baat ko laga phir bad pe laga and then stumps mein. Main unki fitness pe hamesha baat islie karta hu ki jis tarike ka shots wo create karne ki koshis karte hai, agar wo fit ho toh asaani hogi ye execute karne mein. (Rishabh Pant was playing the way he likes to, but he went for something innovative and got out. It was a weird dismissal as the ball hit the bat, pad before rattling the stumps. I always speak on Rishabh Pant's fitness because the kind of shots he plays and tries to innovate, it would be easier for him to execute those shots if he was fit.) I think he is overweight. Definitely, he is overweight and because of that, he is not very agile. He is under the level where he should be, in terms of fitness"

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...n-india-keeper-s-fitness-101671172523602.html

 

[dravidthewall]

Playing another impactful innings vs bangladesh .

 

[Hitman]

I don't understand what happens to him the other 2 formats, although I only care about ODIs apart from Tests. The guy is an absolute gem in Tests.

 

[Msd_7]

Rishabh Pant in Tests this year:

67* (so far)
46
57
146
50
39
96
100*
27
0
17

 

[Ab Fan]

Best Indian test player since Kohli and Bumrah.

He already seems to be on its way to go past Rohit and Pujara in Tests.

 

[Sidilicious]

Best Indian test player since Kohli and Bumrah.

He already seems to be on its way to go past Rohit and Pujara in Tests.

Rohit has been a very average test player. He overtook Rohit during the away series in Australia in 20/21.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pant's batting reminds me of Tendulkar in 90s.

 

[andy0204]

Pant's batting reminds me of Tendulkar in 90s.

Maybe in situation wise but he reminds me of Sehwag.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Maybe in situation wise but he reminds me of Sehwag.

Pant's calmness is much like Sehwag. No nerves.

 

[Ab Fan]

Maybe in situation wise but he reminds me of Sehwag.

Yes, he is same as Sehwag. If you love watching Sehwag bat, there is no way you won't love watching Pant bat.

 

[U$ofA]

He is heading towards great things in tests. Already 2k+ runs, 120 catches in just 30+ matches. He is barely 25 yrs old.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Maybe in situation wise but he reminds me of Sehwag.

Impact wise he is like VVS Laxman. He was also good against the Aussies and was pretty average in LOIs.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Comparing an opener like Sehwag with a middle order batsman now?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The greatest cricketer in the world.


Resistance is futile.

 

[Romali_rotti]

That's the 6th time in his young career he has gotten out in the 90s... Damn shouldve converted a few of those 90s into 100s.

Good knock under pressure today, with the top order flopping, nevertheless.

 

[Ab Fan]

Combination of Tendulkar and Sehwag.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't understand what happens to him the other 2 formats, although I only care about ODIs apart from Tests. The guy is an absolute gem in Tests.

He needs to be in the top order but they wont play him there.

 

[Ab Fan]

Allow me to do one on one comparison of Rishabh Pant and Virender Sehwag in Tests.

Overall stats :

Virender Sehwag -Matches -104, Runs 8586, AVG 49
Rishabh Pant - Matches - 32, 2270, AVG 45

If we dig deeper into alien conditions performance, i.e. SENA, the stats are :

Sehwag :

Matches - 29, 1788 runs, AVG 33, 4 100s

Pant :

Matches - 21, 1426 runs, AVG 39, 4 100s

This means that in overseas conditions, Pant has already done better than Sehwag. His overall average is lesser because unlike Sehwag who played 25% of his career matches in SENA, Pant has played 65% of his career matches in SENA conditions.

This is an important criteria which can't be ignored because playing in subcontinent helps certain players boost their stats more( eg. Ashwin did the same and took his bowl average to 23).

Coming to the brand of cricket they play, there is a lot of similarity in them. Virender Sehwag used to be aggressive vs spin, using his feet and not letting them settle at all. Pant pretty much does the same too. Against pace overseas, both would stay balanced and rely on finding gaps and timing the ball into gaps. Basically, if you enjoy watching Sehwag bat and a fan of his batting it is almost a guarantee that you will enjoy watching Pant bat.

That's the similarity they both have. The only difference you could mention about them is that one was a specialist opening batsman and the other was a keeper batsman. <B>Being an opening batsman is a disadvantage overseas but in subcontinent where Sehwag was particularly beast is certainly an advantage</B>. So, this opening nonsense should go away in case of Sehwag as he was awful in SEN. Pant being a keeper batsman has a disadvantage that he won't be able to bat long enough for like 200 odd balls and hit double tons and triple tons.

 

[Rajdeep]

Comparing an opener like Sehwag with a middle order batsman now?

Batting style being compared, not batting position. Both Sehwag and Pant bats aggressively and more successful in test cricket than LOIs. So there is a startling similarity between both.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Batting style being compared, not batting position. Both Sehwag and Pant bats aggressively and more successful in test cricket than LOIs. So there is a startling similarity between both.

Facing new ball in test cricket and still playing aggressively is a different thing. Surely being a veteran cricket fan you know this pretty well.

 

[Ab Fan]

Facing new ball in test cricket and still playing aggressively is a different thing. Surely being a veteran cricket fan you know this pretty well.

It is a massive challenge overseas especially in SEN conditions. But in places like India, Australia, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, BD, it doesn't swing enough and batsman like Sehwag, Warner, Hayden, Rohit etc can cash on heavily right away.

Sehwag's record in SEN is awful which means he basically struggled in places where facing new ball was a real challenge in Test cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

Sehwag cannot be given extra brownie points for opening the batting because he played very few matches as opener in SENA in Test cricket. 29 of 104 matches in SENA conditions wherein he failed in SEN. In subcontinent and Australia, quite a few aggressive openers can replicate a good bit of career.

Pant he has played 21 of his 32 games in SENA and average(39) is higher than Sehwag(33). He would probably play 29 games in SENA before he reaches 50 matches career. I have never seen a keeper bat with such extraordinary numbers bar Gilchrist.

 

[Ab Fan]

The discussion has already started, here we go.

Is Rishabh Pant the GOAT in his specialization in Tests?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ban-vs-ind-2nd-test-dhaka-is-rishabh-pant-the-gwoat-1350894

 

[Ab Fan]

We were also told by Pant fans that he can play as a batsman alone.

The epic line lol )

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The epic line lol )

Isn't he playing as a wicketkeeper batsman? )

 

[Ab Fan]

From being good enough to play as keeper bat to being the best test batsman in th country, great achievement from Pant!

 

[shaz619]

From being good enough to play as keeper bat to being the best test batsman in th country, great achievement from Pant!

The greatest keeper bat in Tests of this era and probably about level with Gilchrist in Tests if not better?

 

[Msd_7]

Already a GOAT WK batsman in test format

 

[Devadwal]

Can he win mirpur test For India ? Big day for him ahead on tricky pitch

 

[Ab Fan]

The greatest keeper bat in Tests of this era and probably about level with Gilchrist in Tests if not better?

He has certainly covered 1/3rd part of that.

Given how poor India's top 4 has been, it is surprising that they haven't lost a series in subcontinent yet.

 

[Sir Alex]

Not just India's best batsman but also among the world's best keeper. Also when it comes to performing in clutch situations, nobody comes near to him currently.

If only India can get its top order sorted and sometimes let Pant do easy batting or even declaration batting, he'd probably be averaging in 50s.

 

[happydavy]

Pant's role is a bit like Sehwag in the last few years of his career. While sehwag will score super fast and try to win matches, other batsmen will just score easy runs with entire responsibility of putting india in a winnable situation on Sehwag. And yet he was never counted in fab 4.

 

[Mobashir]

Let down his team badly yesrerday when it was needed.
If not for Ashwin's heroic with the bat, Pant had let india loose a Test vs Bangladesh. If you want to be a top top player this is when you need to score the runs.

 

[happydavy]

Let down his team badly yesrerday when it was needed.
If not for Ashwin's heroic with the bat, Pant had let india loose a Test vs Bangladesh. If you want to be a top top player this is when you need to score the runs.

Ok so basically as per you top players always perform and never fail. Most of them would end up with no score of less than 50 ever, correct?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Let down his team badly yesrerday when it was needed.
If not for Ashwin's heroic with the bat, Pant had let india loose a Test vs Bangladesh. If you want to be a top top player this is when you need to score the runs.

He was the one who bailed India out in the first innings at 94/4. But for that innings there would have never been a lead. India would have chased like 300 in 4th innings.

 

[Sir Alex]

Let down his team badly yesrerday when it was needed.
If not for Ashwin's heroic with the bat, Pant had let india loose a Test vs Bangladesh. If you want to be a top top player this is when you need to score the runs.

Lol what ? Dude was responsible in helping India get out of a real pickle in the first innings. Scored a brilliant 90 odd.

 

[Saj]

Dropped/rested for the squads for the upcoming white ball series against Sri Lanka.

 

[sweep_shot]

Dropped/rested for the squads for the upcoming white ball series against Sri Lanka.

To be fair, India don't need Pant to defeat Sri Lanka at home.

Sri Lanka generally do horribly in India.

 

[Mobashir]

Combination of Tendulkar and Sehwag.

Both dropped from ODI'S and T20's.
They were not that bad.

 

[reversehook]

if india want to keep sitting him and waste away his career, send him our way

 

[Mamoon]

Let down his team badly yesrerday when it was needed.
If not for Ashwin's heroic with the bat, Pant had let india loose a Test vs Bangladesh. If you want to be a top top player this is when you need to score the runs.

Yes, it was like watching Babar vs England. Match losing role in all three Tests.

 

[Ab Fan]

Both dropped from ODI'S and T20's.
They were not that bad.

I was talking about tests. Sehwag was dropped too around 2006 after South Africa tour.

Pant is not dropped, it is like a break. The schedule of Indian team is such that no one is playing all formats. The focus for Pant at the moment is on BGT where he is the only one who can save India from 0-4 humiliation vs Australia. Others are going through poor form.

 

[WengerOut]

"Rishabh Pant has been sent to the NCA for strength and conditioning before the Test series against Australia. The team management feels he will have a key role to play in the Tests, and needs this housekeeping break after playing 44 internationals this year. India need to win three of four Tests against Australia to qualify for the World Test Championship final."


Source CI

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Rightly dropped from both LOI teams. Should concentrate on test cricket just like Laxman did and leave the LOIs to Kishan, Samson etc.

 

[Front Foot Pull]

pant has been a big failure in T20Is. should be dropped for long long time, if not forever.
but people thinking/wishing he is dropped (& not rested) from ODIs )

 

[Ab Fan]

"Rishabh Pant has been sent to the NCA for strength and conditioning before the Test series against Australia. The team management feels he will have a key role to play in the Tests, and needs this housekeeping break after playing 44 internationals this year. India need to win three of four Tests against Australia to qualify for the World Test Championship final."


Source CI

India generally take their Australia matches pretty seriously so they will always ensure that the players are in the best of shape going into the Border Gavaskar Trophy. I think once the series is over, Pant will be back at 5 in ODIs and Rahul will be his backup option. Remember, Pant played two of the best five ODI knocks by an Indian in 2022, so his impact was huge.

 

[Mobashir]

Yes, it was like watching Babar vs England. Match losing role in all three Tests.

Strange obsession you have with Babar to Talk about him in every thread.
There are so many threads about Babar on PP, even one Pant Vs Babar, but you choose to Talk about Babar even in this thread.

I am sure you even dream/nightmare about him.

 

[WengerOut]

Rightly dropped from both LOI teams. Should concentrate on test cricket just like Laxman did and leave the LOIs to Kishan, Samson etc.

He was not dropped. I think he should concentrate on ODIs and Tests.