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So what's wrong with it?

What are the pros and what are the cons?

What needs changing? - The personnel, the approach, too many similar players, is it the batting order, the lack of big hitters, too many accumulators, too many batsmen who need 50 balls or more to get going, or is there too much pressure left on the lower and middle order?

Or are you happy with it?
 
There is Babar and then daylight and then half fit Babar and then daylight and then everyone else.

Whats needed is change of mentality, where your batting ideal is a Inzy and not a Afridi.
 
Alot of question marks
Imam ,abid (Can only afford one abid is regressing quickly might be drop soon)
Fakhar is also hit and miss .cannot relay on him against top team
Babar is fine
Haris is also fine
Rizwan (Still need to prove alot in white ball cricket)
Iftikhar is not long term solution will be out soon
Imad also merit his place
Fahim kulsner is trash .
Haris rauf also need alot of work
Shaheen is must
Wahab ( impress with his recent performances but he might not be same bowler till worldcup 2023
For future
Abid out Haider ali in odi team
Iftikhar out Khushdil shah in
Fahim out may be zafar in
Haris /usman/any body else
 
saeed5646 said:
Alot of question marks
Imam ,abid (Can only afford one abid is regressing quickly might be drop soon)
Fakhar is also hit and miss .cannot relay on him against top team
Babar is fine
Haris is also fine
Rizwan (Still need to prove alot in white ball cricket)
Iftikhar is not long term solution will be out soon
Imad also merit his place
Fahim kulsner is trash .
Haris rauf also need alot of work
Shaheen is must
Wahab ( impress with his recent performances but he might not be same bowler till worldcup 2023
For future
Abid out Haider ali in odi team
Iftikhar out Khushdil shah in
Fahim out may be zafar in
Haris /usman/any body else
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as i said in some other threads, In ideal world this should be our 15 member squad for next year specially in Asian conditions,
1_Fakhar (Aggressive opener +leftie)
2_Haider (Aggressive opener +rightie)
3_Babar (Anchor)
4_Rizwan (can't bat him anywhere else)
5_Hafeez (can up the anti, good vs both spin and fast in middle and end overs)
6_Khushdil ( proper hitter for finishing)
7_Imad (hard hitting all rounder)
8_Shadab (handy bowling all rounder)
9_Wahab ( good death bowler plus no mug with bat)
10_Shaheen ( strike new ball bowler)
11_Rauf ( till we find better replacement)

12_Zafar (back up spinner)
13_Abdullah Shafiq (back up batsman)
14_Fahim (back up seem all rounder)
15_Hasnain (back up fast bowler)
this team can hold its own vs the best in business provide they are given full backing and license to play the modern game,
You can swap Amir Yamin or ammad but with Fahim as well, these guys are the closest thing we have as pace all rounder. Fakhar is also on borrowed time but we ain't spoilt for choices for aggressive opener, maybe we can bring back sharjeel,
 
This guy ----------------> :misbah3



Our batting was getting better and was setup on more modern lines before he took over, and as soon as he did he took us right back to the days of his captaincy where we struggled to score 250 against decent sides.


Today we had a 50% dot ball percentage, this not lack of ability we were playing freaking Zimbabwe, sides in National T20 had tougher bowling lineups than them. This is a strategy employed by dictator Misbah.
 
Zeshan547 said:
as i said in some other threads, In ideal world this should be our 15 member squad for next year specially in Asian conditions,
1_Fakhar (Aggressive opener +leftie)
2_Haider (Aggressive opener +rightie)
3_Babar (Anchor)
4_Rizwan (can't bat him anywhere else)
5_Hafeez (can up the anti, good vs both spin and fast in middle and end overs)
6_Khushdil ( proper hitter for finishing)
7_Imad (hard hitting all rounder)
8_Shadab (handy bowling all rounder)
9_Wahab ( good death bowler plus no mug with bat)
10_Shaheen ( strike new ball bowler)
11_Rauf ( till we find better replacement)

12_Zafar (back up spinner)
13_Abdullah Shafiq (back up batsman)
14_Fahim (back up seem all rounder)
15_Hasnain (back up fast bowler)
this team can hold its own vs the best in business provide they are given full backing and license to play the modern game,
You can swap Amir Yamin or ammad but with Fahim as well, these guys are the closest thing we have as pace all rounder. Fakhar is also on borrowed time but we ain't spoilt for choices for aggressive opener, maybe we can bring back sharjeel,
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Agree with this but hafeez is history we should look beyond him now .Wahab is also fifty fifty for worldcup 2023 due to his age

Why did you leave out haris
 
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saeed5646 said:
Agree with this but hafeez is history we should look beyond him now .Wahab is also fifty fifty for worldcup 2023 due to his age
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i know hafeez is on his last leg but he is also twice the player even now than his replacement for his role in team sadly, the aggressive middle order batsman, Harris can be one but even though younger he is even bigger doubt for 2023 wc, and we just need to make full use of hafeez amazing form while it last, and till we find better younger option. and still Haris in place hafeez can work if he keep himself fit and improve his strike rate.
 
Misbah is the real culprit. His defensive approach and instruction for batting. I am pretty sure he was the one who is instructing the squad to go out there and play defensively in the first 20-30 overs. This is 80s and 90s way of playing cricket.

Under Mickey, Pakistan was on course to develop their batting to the modern ways. Aggressive opener (Fakhar) is definitely required, if he is a miss then there are others who can anchor the innings. Atleast with aggressive openers you get a good start so latter batsmen can capitalize.

Only one culprit: MISBAH!
 
Get rid of Misbah and the defensive culture he is persisting with and things will start improving.

You have to bring in new players who are brought up in T20 style ODI approach like Haier Ali and Perhaps Khushdil Shah and get rid of players still playing "test innings" in ODI , like Harris Sohail and get rid of 26 year old Chacha who is always plays for himself, always worried about his position.

Not happy with Imam's approach also, but he needs to be warned about his approach and if he cannot change his approach, axe him too.
 
Mindset , players are too afraid to lose their place so they don't step out of their comfort zone.

The management is too afraid to lose that they always try to play safe and is not ready to try new options. Too much hesitation is shown especially giving chances to new batsmen.

We may lack talent but we can still compete better with positive mindset.
 
aloo paratha said:
Yes because we were destroying every other team and posting 350 + consistently under Mickey.
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Maybe not destroying other teams but at least putting up 300+ totals and playing with more intent. But its okay, I appreciate Misbah still has his fans.
 
I think the whole team was wrong today we had to many accumulaters thier should only be room for 2 or 3 max accumulates.also from what I can see thier wasnt no roles given to the players.i also think misbah is worried about getting sacked completely.
 
Kroll said:
Maybe not destroying other teams but at least putting up 300+ totals and playing with more intent. But its okay, I appreciate Misbah still has his fans.
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I'm not a Misbah fan. I've been critical of his selections and tactics many times (including today in the other thread), but at the same time, I am realistic. You're delusional if you think just switching coaches and selectors will transform this team over night.
 
shamaan said:
I think the whole team was wrong today we had to many accumulaters thier should only be room for 2 or 3 max accumulates.also from what I can see thier wasnt no roles given to the players.i also think misbah is worried about getting sacked completely.
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So whose fault does that lie with?
 
cricketjoshila said:
There is Babar and then daylight and then half fit Babar and then daylight and then everyone else.

Whats needed is change of mentality, where your batting ideal is a Inzy and not a Afridi.
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Exactly this, change the mentality with proper batting ideal. But it will take 20 years for that when people starts idolizing Babar and not fringe batsmen like Afridi.

India had been fortunate in this matter as the entire todays generation had been raised up idolizing Sachin Tendulkar.
 
From what I have seen of national cup in addition to following international cricket over the recent past, this would be my team led by Mickey(lost a gem there)

Imam
Haider(Fakhar has sadly been found out)
Babar
Haris/Abdullah Shafique can be slowly transitioned in his place
Hussain Talat (Solid and has the power game/temperament)
Danish/Khushdil
Azam Khan (wk) Cleanest striker we have right now- csn provide the X factor
Zafar Gohar
Naseem/Husnain/Wahab
Shaheen
Rouf
 
Zeshan547 said:
i know hafeez is on his last leg but he is also twice the player even now than his replacement for his role in team sadly, the aggressive middle order batsman, Harris can be one but even though younger he is even bigger doubt for 2023 wc, and we just need to make full use of hafeez amazing form while it last, and till we find better younger option. and still Haris in place hafeez can work if he keep himself fit and improve his strike rate.
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Great, let's pick Hafeez. Whilst we are at it, why not bring back Inzi and MY
 
Our batting has been poor for a longtime. As far back as 2003, we were awful and that was with the likes of Inzi, MY and YK and SA. The problem is that we are short of real talent, we have nudgers and nurdlers and don't have the boundary hitters that you need to put 320 on the board on a regular basis. Our best player BA can score at a run a bowl, the others guys are still at around at 80 or less and don't have the talent to score quickly on a consistent basis.
 
mon858 said:
We actually did post 350 plus in few games that too in England against England.
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But look at the picture over a period of time. Today, it was a 330 wicket, we managed to get 280 against a very average team. Our batsman are not talented and fear for their places and this double whammy means they will avoid risks and without calculated risks you can't score big. Its simple logic that if you lack talent, you have to take more risks to score quickly and our players bar Babar are not international standard.
 
Saj said:
So what's wrong with it?

What are the pros and what are the cons?

What needs changing? - The personnel, the approach, too many similar players, is it the batting order, the lack of big hitters, too many accumulators, too many batsmen who need 50 balls or more to get going, or is there too much pressure left on the lower and middle order?

Or are you happy with it?
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There isnt enough international level talent to begin with.

And then, it’s our batting culture and general social behavior where our guys are just not street smart enough.

In India, the batting culture is so good, and the competition is SO TOUGH that ordinary lallu panju type player can’t even come up on the surface among the 100’s to be looked by the selectors
 
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Imam and Abid striking at 70 openings the batting against a Team like Zimbabwe , its simply pathetic and the management need to say it to them in a clear tone. This is not acceptable.
 
Babar and Haris is the only thing that inspires confidence during our batting otherwise everyone else is just could-get-out-anytime and not just good enough.

Regardless of how Iftikhar has done since his comeback or whatever his form is in domestics, I would like him replaced.

Fakhar has stagnated in last 2 years and that is probably as good as he can get. Imam is Ahmed Shehzad v2.0 Scores more but at similar pace, takes way too long to get going and even when he gets going, lacks the 4th gear esp on slow tracks. Abid hasn't done much wrong since his debut in ODI's but Haider should be invested in as they have a higher ceiling. Aus took a punt with picking Michael Clarke instead of Simon Katich in the middle order during 2003-4 and it paid off well. We lack the courage to take strong decisions for a better future.
Tharanga Paranavitana was averaging in 30s in Tests for SL and was doing reasonably fine but they decided to drop him in favor of Karunaratne, who after struggling initially for a few years has definitely proved himself to be the right decision.

Imad is doing well and is the only thing close to a finisher we have.

Playing Fahim Ashraf is simply wasting a spot. He is just good for t20 leagues.
Wahab Riaz has a better chance of becoming an allrounder than Fahim.
Plus his 130kph thunderbolts with no lateral movement are going to get milked and be dispatched to the boundary like Taylor and Madhevere did today for as long as keeps playing.
 
Of the upcoming prospects, the batsmen seem more promising than the bowlers, we just need to play them lol.
 
saeed5646 said:
Alot of question marks
Imam ,abid (Can only afford one abid is regressing quickly might be drop soon)
Fakhar is also hit and miss .cannot relay on him against top team
Babar is fine
Haris is also fine
Rizwan (Still need to prove alot in white ball cricket)
Iftikhar is not long term solution will be out soon
Imad also merit his place
Fahim kulsner is trash .
Haris rauf also need alot of work
Shaheen is must
Wahab ( impress with his recent performances but he might not be same bowler till worldcup 2023
For future
Abid out Haider ali in odi team
Iftikhar out Khushdil shah in
Fahim out may be zafar in
Haris /usman/any body else
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These are obvious changes that a person of Misbah’s caliber should be able to recognize and understand. Why is he so blind. Very disappointing as I am a Misbah fan.
 
Its everything personel, the strategy and players playing for themselves

We all universally agree the lineup today was too limited and full of accumulators It was desperately short of a couple of dashers who bat with intent in the top 5 Abid Imam and rizwan wouldnt make too many odi sides as they are barely 80 strike rate players Not fast enough for the modern era

As we have seen in the past misbah always adopts the safety first approach N im pretty sure he wouldve told them not to take any risks early on and go hard at the end which is the totally wrong strategy to employ in this day and age when most team bat hard at 6-7 runs an innings all the way through You could see players not looking for singles on every ball, not running hard to turn 1s to 2s etc Misbah needs to be held accountable for his Its the year 2020 not 2000

Imam has a history of playing for himself, you saw it when he ran back to save his wkt Harris didny play a shot in anger till he brought up his 50
Theres something fundamentally wrong with the management causing insecurity if players are doing this
 
Square Drive said:
Literally this.

Fakhar
Haider
Babar
Haris
Rizwan
Khushdil

Followed by Shadab and Imad.

It'll literally change everything.
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Thats a pretty good lineup With the only point of question is whether khushdil is good enough and whether 3-4-5 is one too many plodders in the middle order
 
aloo paratha said:
I'm not a Misbah fan. I've been critical of his selections and tactics many times (including today in the other thread), but at the same time, I am realistic. You're delusional if you think just switching coaches and selectors will transform this team over night.
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When have I ever said that? Am I the only person in this thread saying team selection isn't right due to Misbah?
 
Is Babar picking the team or he is just a captain by name - I fear it's the latter.
 
Syed1 said:
This guy ----------------> :misbah3



Our batting was getting better and was setup on more modern lines before he took over, and as soon as he did he took us right back to the days of his captaincy where we struggled to score 250 against decent sides.


Today we had a 50% dot ball percentage, this not lack of ability we were playing freaking Zimbabwe, sides in National T20 had tougher bowling lineups than them. This is a strategy employed by dictator Misbah.
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On of the most ridiculous statements I have come across . So Misbah has told the players to operate at a SR of 50%? I mean seriously.
There is just not logic and reasoning behind hate and this one such example .
 
Question?
Can Pakistan play like a modern odi side or do they lack fire power; so keep going back to tried and trusted (not necessarily successful) methods?
 
GreenKhan said:
On of the most ridiculous statements I have come across . So Misbah has told the players to operate at a SR of 50%? I mean seriously.
There is just not logic and reasoning behind hate and this one such example .
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Nothing wrong in what he said, Misbah is the root of our problems, no way the previous management would pick Abid over Haider.
 
Ahson8 said:
Nothing wrong in what he said, Misbah is the root of our problems, no way the previous management would pick Abid over Haider.
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And the balance isn't even right, why pick 5 accumulators in the top 5 for a start? Yet people are still getting uptight and defensive when calling out these obvious blunders.
 
Saj said:
Is Babar picking the team or he is just a captain by name - I fear it's the latter.
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Agree but it shouldnt be that way The frustration is babar has the most power to dictate terms to misbah if he wants to

If push comes to shove who will the management drop misbah or babar?

Theres no other alternative long term candidate for the captaincy Hes the best player in in all formats by far He should be using this leverage to his advantage and picking players himself Not allowing misbah to pick the safe n slow players he loves
 
the lineup needs to be tweaked

Haider
Rizwan
Babar
Haris
Hussain Talat/Abdullah Shafiq
Khushdil
Shadab
Yamin
Fahim
Wahab
Shaheen
 
It may be early impressions but Babar seems a very defensive captain. His panic recall of Hafeez and Malik sent alarm bells ringing in my head and his failure to get a young team together doesn't bode well. Lets hope I am overreacting
 
Zaz said:
Agree but it shouldnt be that way The frustration is babar has the most power to dictate terms to misbah if he wants to

If push comes to shove who will the management drop misbah or babar?

Theres no other alternative long term candidate for the captaincy Hes the best player in in all formats by far He should be using this leverage to his advantage and picking players himself Not allowing misbah to pick the safe n slow players he loves
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There would be a serious fight if Babar stood up against Misbah over his love affair with slow n steady players. At this juncture, I think Babar will look to avoid conflict even it means the team will suffer.
 
Kroll said:
There would be a serious fight if Babar stood up against Misbah over his love affair with slow n steady players. At this juncture, I think Babar will look to avoid conflict even it means the team will suffer.
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Maybe its Babar driving the Conservative selections
 
3 batsmen who want to anchor the innings - never in a million years will this work.
 
Are we discarding Zaman already? I know his biggy came against Zim but he’s a quick scorer against most even if he doesn’t show control...

Zaman
Babar
Haider
Rizwan (anchor)
Haris
Kushdil
Shadab
Imad
Wahab (Hassan eventually)
Shaheen
Rauf

competitive side (assuming capitancy is also decent), Haris at 5 because he can launch the ball.
 
Kaka4pope said:
Are we discarding Zaman already? I know his biggy came against Zim but he’s a quick scorer against most even if he doesn’t show control...

Zaman
Babar
Haider
Rizwan (anchor)
Haris
Kushdil
Shadab
Imad
Wahab (Hassan eventually)
Shaheen
Rauf

competitive side (assuming capitancy is also decent), Haris at 5 because he can launch the ball.
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Babar dropping to 3 with either Abid or Imam coming in, ideally Sharjeel. Khushdil or Shadab dropping out for the time being.
 
Saj said:
3 batsmen who want to anchor the innings - never in a million years will this work.
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The whole lineup is full of batsman that are risk averse. Only Babar should be allowed to play at his own pace others need to be given clear instructions or shipped out.
 
We should be selecting batters who can play 360 degrees versus pace and spin, and can also rotate strike regularly. Instead we pick batsmen who are one paced and can only play in their comfort zone. The top batters in the world can turn good balls into boundaries and singles. We struggle at rotating strike and turning good balls into boundaries.
 
When Pakistan play a batting lineup of Imam, Fakhar, Babar and Haris:

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It has been unstoppable apart from the one-off match v.s. W.I.
 
Iftikhar doesn't look 30 to me. He looks as old as Dhoni. Nevertheless, Pakistan doesn't have the batsman who are good enough for modern cricket. Its really that simple. Babar has potential but has long way to go. Harris is also decent. Thats it. Imam is selfish batsman. I have seen his batting few times. He comes with an agenda of first making sure he scores a 50. Strike rate/team requirement can go to hell. Ahmad Shehzad also played like that. Even in T20, Ahmad Shahzad used to start very slow and score 30s.
 
Saj said:
Is Babar picking the team or he is just a captain by name - I fear it's the latter.
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Is he even capable of being the former?
Remember he wanted Hafeez or Malik in the team as a senior and experienced player?
 
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how obvious it was that our top order all played for themselves today.

Again, that is a Misbah responsibility.
 
Unless Misbah leaves we will go far worse. Soon we will see some under 200 score in flat pitches as well.Its just the beginning of becoming worse. Be thankful we scored 280.
 
@Saj, enjoy some of our batting and see we score over 250. Soon even 250 will be an uphill task for our batsmen in few years time.
 
Kroll said:
So whose fault does that lie with?
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If misbah has given them the roles and they ain't playing their roles then the players should be blamed but misbah should be blamed for not dropping them.if no roles are given then misbah to blame.but generally I blame misbah when you look at the team it automatically suggest that 290 max
 
GreenKhan said:
On of the most ridiculous statements I have come across . So Misbah has told the players to operate at a SR of 50%? I mean seriously.
There is just not logic and reasoning behind hate and this one such example .
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If misbah hasnt defined roles then he needs to speak to each player on what their role is in the team and if he has given them the role and they ain't following them then the players need to be dropped obviously you have to look at the match situation to.
 
Aami said:
Question?
Can Pakistan play like a modern odi side or do they lack fire power; so keep going back to tried and trusted (not necessarily successful) methods?
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This was a perfect opportunity to try and see if we can play modern cricket if we cant try against Zimbabwe then we have no chance trying against New Zealand or south africa
 
There's not much since Mickey or even under Mickey which is Babar or Bust. Rather than look long term and allow batsman that can work with Babar and are given a long run in the team like Haider Ali, Abdullah Shafique, Saud Shakeel, Rohail Nazir and etc. Rather than dispose them after one game or one poor series.
 
shamaan said:
If misbah has given them the roles and they ain't playing their roles then the players should be blamed but misbah should be blamed for not dropping them.if no roles are given then misbah to blame.but generally I blame misbah when you look at the team it automatically suggest that 290 max
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Its well known that Misbah likes to deploy the obsolete method of conserving wickets (slow n steady) then try to go hard with few over remaining so composition and strategy of the side was no big surprise.
 
I dont understand Imam opening the batting He had a strike rate of 76 at the WC, if u take out games against Zimbabwe, he's career SR is 79. In 2020, that just doesn't cut it. Time for Haider Ali to open and give him enough experience for the 2023 WC
 
Misbah!

These same guys were making 350s for fun against england but they're huffing and puffing towards 280s against Zimbabwe

And too many proper batsman in the team you need 2 aggressive enforcer type batsman in top 5 and we have them and they're decent but Misbah isn't playing them and some who are playing seem a bit frightened or I feel like they don't have the lisence to kill
 
Kroll said:
When have I ever said that? Am I the only person in this thread saying team selection isn't right due to Misbah?
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It was a general statement, many on this website think that way. Wasn't specified directly to you.
 
Zeshan547 said:
as i said in some other threads, In ideal world this should be our 15 member squad for next year specially in Asian conditions,
1_Fakhar (Aggressive opener +leftie)
2_Haider (Aggressive opener +rightie)
3_Babar (Anchor)
4_Rizwan (can't bat him anywhere else)
5_Hafeez (can up the anti, good vs both spin and fast in middle and end overs)
6_Khushdil ( proper hitter for finishing)
7_Imad (hard hitting all rounder)
8_Shadab (handy bowling all rounder)
9_Wahab ( good death bowler plus no mug with bat)
10_Shaheen ( strike new ball bowler)
11_Rauf ( till we find better replacement)

12_Zafar (back up spinner)
13_Abdullah Shafiq (back up batsman)
14_Fahim (back up seem all rounder)
15_Hasnain (back up fast bowler)
this team can hold its own vs the best in business provide they are given full backing and license to play the modern game,
You can swap Amir Yamin or ammad but with Fahim as well, these guys are the closest thing we have as pace all rounder. Fakhar is also on borrowed time but we ain't spoilt for choices for aggressive opener, maybe we can bring back sharjeel,
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Too many all-rounders, we need atleast 4 proper fast bowlers and kushdill would basically be a better version of Asif Ali I don't know if a slogger pure batsman is something we can afford..
 
TeymurBlake said:
There's not much since Mickey or even under Mickey which is Babar or Bust. Rather than look long term and allow batsman that can work with Babar and are given a long run in the team like Haider Ali, Abdullah Shafique, Saud Shakeel, Rohail Nazir and etc. Rather than dispose them after one game or one poor series.
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Not saying under Mickey it was perfect but under Misbah it feels like downgrading

Instead of going up or just stagnating we are actually going down

That's the problem
 
Rayyman said:
When Pakistan play a batting lineup of Imam, Fakhar, Babar and Haris:

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It has been unstoppable apart from the one-off match v.s. W.I.
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Imam, babar stays (anchors) fakhar out for Haider

Harris is a good batsman but unless he transforms himself into Hafeez I don't see any utility in playing him because his fitness is not good enough to anchor the innings and his power game is not strong enough to match Hafeez

He is talented (like prodigy type talented) but his fitness is not good enough to play babar like innings

If he improves his fitness (which I doubt he will) we can go with aggressive openers and three anchors

Babar, Rizwan, Haris (maximum number of anchors)
 
Kroll said:
Its well known that Misbah likes to deploy the obsolete method of conserving wickets (slow n steady) then try to go hard with few over remaining so composition and strategy of the side was no big surprise.
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Yes but that strategy doesnt work in this day and age we need to get rid of misbah and bring in a young coach and chief selector who is not norrow minded and can put plans in place and have a strategy that will work
 
shamaan said:
Yes but that strategy doesnt work in this day and age we need to get rid of misbah and bring in a young coach and chief selector who is not norrow minded and can put plans in place and have a strategy that will work
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That's what we've all been saying more or less.
 
Okay, so we talk a lot about how there's a lot of accumulators/anchors in the team. But we need to ask why do such players not work on their game to improve this? We can see the English brought in coaches who worked with the England players.

The likes of Buttler, Stokes, Roy, Bairstow and Morgan weren't born power hitters, they worked on this aspect of the game and were given the proper training. It seems, Pakistan is incompetent even developing the power game among its elite cricketers.

Not only that, but we still struggle with basic stuff like strike rotation and this keeps the SR down of our top and middle order players. If we take the example of Kohli, he isn't particularly renowned as a power hitter but possesses a very high SR due to being able to rotate strike and run hard between the wickets in addition to his boundary shots.

Haris Sohail is soon out of breath after running a few singles and Imam has issues with dot balls and rotating the strike. Who is coaching and training these guys and why is this a perennial problem? The same problems will persist with our ODI team if these basic aspects of the game aren't ironed out.
 
Bigboii said:
Not saying under Mickey it was perfect but under Misbah it feels like downgrading

Instead of going up or just stagnating we are actually going down

That's the problem
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That's the point I'm making. We're going back to Misbah's time as captain. Slow, patience, lack of intent and plain simple boring.
 
TeymurBlake said:
That's the point I'm making. We're going back to Misbah's time as captain. Slow, patience, lack of intent and plain simple boring.
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I am not sure what you exactly are referring to when you say slow, patient and lack of intent and plain boring but Pakistan played a one day international after a year the other day . So it’s a very small sample to come to such a conclusion.

As far as the T20s are concerned I thought they played some entertaining cricket in England .

But unfortunately on this forum hatred has no boundaries .
 
Its plain to see misbah is not gonna change snd stuck in his ways

Most people the other day have said the opening partnership and the batting in general isnt good enough for the brand of cricket that needs to be played in this day and age and despite everything misbah has gone in with a pretty much the same with only one injury enforced change

If misbah is around for a while i think pakistans results and fans in general are in for exasperating ride under him
 
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