The Zulqarnain Haider Story

[MC]

Man this guy is a father of two little girls, I wish he was with his family instead of fighting battles in the UK. For how long is he gonna stay there, what's his plan? I'm dying to hear answer to these questions.

 

[kingusama92]

Bro your a very good poster but i feel your being a bit harsh. None of us have been put in his situation and wont know how to react unless it actually happens to us. His brain must have been going at 100mph. Maybe he had to meet someone in Eng or was told to go their by the mafia.

Also maybe he couldnt tell the ICC because they are part of it;just a theory.

What he has to do though is tell the press everything and whatever it may be that has caused all of this comotion.

If its to do with players i hope they are exposed InshAllah to get rid of the cancer within our team.

If he was afraid of the PCB officials - why did he go and ask for his passport from them? Surely, if you are scared of an individual and are "fleeing" you don't go up to them and expect to get your passport [which he did].

He certainly did get scared from the looks of things. Which is why I am bemused that he didn't contact the appropriate authorities.

In fact, I have forgot the third option he had. The option of contacting the local police in Dubai and getting them to sort things out [provide extra security for him]. Fleeing left him wide open to being put into a seriously troubling situation with those that wanted to supposedly kill him.

You might still disagree with me and feel Zoni might have felt like the entire world was out to get him. You could say he didn't want to trust anybody because perhaps someone quite close to him turned out to be the evil one [all theory of course]. My questions then are - Why do you give updates on your FB? Why do you give updates to Geo representatives about your plans?

Was that not childish? If I am running away - I don't go and basically let the entire world know exactly where I am located and even what flight I am taking.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Eagle eye. From the quoted statement, I dont really see how you deduced his "lack of perfomance" could be a reason for his team mates putting him down. Maybe its the other way around. Maybe he rattled a few cages the way he played and there is no question about it there is a pressure group within the team that like their friends to stay in the team. Kamran happens to be a popular character within that clique. Maybe his brother Umar and the other remaining members of the Oath Brigade were not taking kindly to Haider because they felt he threatened their best mate's place in the team.

That statement can be twisted and turned any which way you like. I am just hopeful someone, Haider himself, media, PCB, Jack Sparrow, whoever, comes out with a statement soon to put all this speculation and conjecture to rest.

If there is not solid ground for his actions either he is severely unhinged or a celebrity status seeker.

If not, then we have bigger problems to worry about than bickering and fighting like children on internet.

Come on Stewie, I never deduced his lack of performance from the quote!!

My conclusion from the quote was that he is a weak minded selfish ****. Rather than fight it out like a man in a tough environment he upped and carried out a selfish act for personal monetary gain that has tremendous negative impact for rest of Pakistan cricket.

In the days of Wasim and Waqar... it was a fracturous and very edgy environment but you did not find people walking out and crying like babies....

Rashid Latif exposed match fixing... has he run away to the moon? Nope he still lives in Pakistan!

 

[Levity]

He wants British citizenship, I'd love to give mine up. Anyone up for swaps?

 

[shaheen1shaheen2]

Man this guy is a father of two little girls, I wish he was with his family instead of fighting battles in the UK. For how long is he gonna stay there, what's his plan? I'm dying to hear answer to these questions.

subhanallah i never knew he had two daughters,allah make it easy for him

 

[DCP]

Why do you want answers to question to even which you don't have the answers?
Is it too much to wait till the man himself comes out when he's ready and reveals the truth from his own mouth?
For all we know, the guy Zulqarnain stayed in touch with during the day is a close associate of his and who happens to be on the GEO news payroll.
For all we know, he was promised security in the UK and didn't feel safe enough the UAE.

All I see here are people saying how Zulqarnain's filing for asylum in the UK and other such stupidity. Without any shred of proof. I mean, seriously, this is just disgusting.

 

[DCP]

Come on Stewie, I never deduced his lack of performance from the quote!!

I conclusion from the quote was that he is a weak minded selfish ****. Rather than fight it out like a man in a tough environment he upped and carried out a selfish act for personal monetary gain that has tremendous negative impact for rest of Pakistan cricket.

In the days of Wasim and Waqar... it was a fracturous and very edgy environment but you did not find people walking out and crying like babies....

Rashid Latif exposed match fixing... has he run away to the moon? Nope he still lives in Pakistan!

Oh yeah, he should really tough it out and be a MAN about it.
Did Waqar have 2 daughters during that time? Did Rashid? Were you in the dressing room during that time? I mean, how do you deduce Zulqarnain's lack of character and strength given absolutely no information what so ever about what has been happening in the background, in the dressing room, and whoever threatened him? OR Why Zulqarnain decided to leave all of a sudden?

 

[Levity]

subhanallah i never knew he had two daughters,allah make it easy for him

Give it a few weeks, he'll call his wife and kids over. Once he's done with that, he'll look for work in the local takeaway, raising money to apply for the rest of his family to join him. Lo! There go the immigration secrets of most 'British' Pakistanis.

 

[kingusama92]

Why do you want answers to question to even which you don't have the answers?
Is it too much to wait till the man himself comes out when he's ready and reveals the truth from his own mouth?
For all we know, the guy Zulqarnain stayed in touch with during the day is a close associate of his and who happens to be on the GEO news payroll.
For all we know, he was promised security in the UK and didn't feel safe enough the UAE.

All I see here are people saying how Zulqarnain's filing for asylum in the UK and other such stupidity. Without any shred of proof. I mean, seriously, this is just disgusting.

Close associate?

Talk about clutching at straws.

I am all for waiting until Zulqarnain Haider provides us with valid/factual reasoning behind his decision-making. However, I have just raised questions/points in order to illustrate the absurdity of this entire situation and the fact he felt the entire world was against him and he even ran around Dubai without proper security. If someone wanted to kill him - he wouldn't have even made it to the airport.

 

[anakwalajinn]

The message of his daugher is really touching...

Let's pray it all turns out well!

 

[DCP]

Close associate?

Talk about clutching at straws.

I am all for waiting until Zulqarnain Haider provides us with valid/factual reasoning behind his decision-making. However, I have just raised questions/points in order to illustrate the absurdity of this entire situation and the fact he felt the entire world was against him and he even ran around Dubai without proper security. If someone wanted to kill him - he wouldn't have even made it to the airport.

If I speculate, it's clutching at straws, and when you do the same on an even more absurd level, you are "raising questions and points".
LOL.
Waah, maan gaye saab.

 

[shaheen1shaheen2]

Give it a few weeks, he'll call his wife and kids over. Once he's done with that, he'll look for work in the local takeaway, raising money to apply for the rest of his family to join him. Lo! There go the immigration secrets of most 'British' Pakistanis.

Brother you could well be right but it could also be that him and his family are well off in pakistan and have no reason to come to this country and this is all genuine

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Oh yeah, he should really tough it out and be a MAN about it.
Did Waqar have 2 daughters during that time? Did Rashid? Were you in the dressing room during that time? I mean, how do you deduce Zulqarnain's lack of character and strength given absolutely no information what so ever about what has been happening in the background, in the dressing room, and whoever threatened him? OR Why Zulqarnain decided to leave all of a sudden?

So here is another quote from cricinfo...

"Raza Haider, Zulqarnain's brother, said the wicketkeeper had reportedly received threats. "I spoke to Zulqarnain after the fourth ODI and he told me he had received some kind of threats after that game, but he gave no details," Raza said."

It seems like his family had no prior knowledge of his impending disappearance. If the "threats" were so severe and grave.... would he not told his brother about it so his daughters and rest of family could have heads up about upping their security... OR Is he a coward and sought to get himself safe even over the safety of his own daughters first!

If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, sounds like a rat, and acts like a rat.... ITS A RAT!!

 

[kingusama92]

If I speculate, it's clutching at straws, and when you do the same on an even more absurd level, you are "raising questions and points".
LOL.
Waah, maan gaye saab.

Did he not update the Geo representative? Yes he did.

Please explain to me how that was a logical decision. I will love to hear your explanation on that fact. Even if that man was a close associate [having trouble believing that] surely Haider knew not to tell anyone about his whereabouts?

Wasn't he scared his cell phone could be traced by those threatening him?

See how idiotic he was throughout this?

So many poor decisions along the way. He could have got himself killed.

 

[DCP]

Did he not update the Geo representative? Yes he did.

Please explain to me how that was a logical decision. I will love to hear your explanation on that fact. Even if that man was a close associate [having trouble believing that] surely Haider knew not to tell anyone about his whereabouts?

Wasn't he scared his cell phone could be traced by those threatening him?

See how idiotic he was throughout this?

So many poor decisions along the way. He could have got himself killed.

For all you know, the PCB management sent him off with due security and knowledge of the real motives behind this. Remember how he was sent back to Pakistan after his heroics against England? What did the media release by the PCB management entail then, do you mind refreshing my memory? Was it not an injury that prevented him from being in the playing XI? And how serious was Zulqarnain's injury? A hairline fracture in his pinky, of all places.

Now, see how idiotic your assumptions sound "in my ear"?

 

[Shayan_Sohail]

If he was afraid of the PCB officials - why did he go and ask for his passport from them? Surely, if you are scared of an individual and are "fleeing" you don't go up to them and expect to get your passport [which he did].

He certainly did get scared from the looks of things. Which is why I am bemused that he didn't contact the appropriate authorities.

In fact, I have forgot the third option he had. The option of contacting the local police in Dubai and getting them to sort things out [provide extra security for him]. Fleeing left him wide open to being put into a seriously troubling situation with those that wanted to supposedly kill him.
You might still disagree with me and feel Zoni might have felt like the entire world was out to get him. You could say he didn't want to trust anybody because perhaps someone quite close to him turned out to be the evil one [all theory of course]. My questions then are - Why do you give updates on your FB? Why do you give updates to Geo representatives about your plans?

Was that not childish? If I am running away - I don't go and basically let the entire world know exactly where I am located and even what flight I am taking.

Tbh i dont know what the real deal is neither do you we have wait for that but making assumption based on nothing is not the way to go. You cant really tell how a person must be feeling under this situation specially a person with kids.

I dont know why he did what he did and what the circumstances were. But if his life was threatened it is his right to put his life and his family's life before the game. Again i dont know why he prefered to talk to the media but i dont think it is right to judge him until the full story is out. my 2 cents

 

[Shayan_Sohail]

So here is another quote from cricinfo...

"Raza Haider, Zulqarnain's brother, said the wicketkeeper had reportedly received threats. "I spoke to Zulqarnain after the fourth ODI and he told me he had received some kind of threats after that game, but he gave no details," Raza said."

It seems like his family had no prior knowledge of his impending disappearance. If the "threats" were so severe and grave.... would he not told his brother about it so his daughters and rest of family could have heads up about upping their security... OR Is he a coward and sought to get himself safe even over the safety of his own daughters first!

If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, sounds like a rat, and acts like a rat.... ITS A RAT!!

If we are going to go by assumptions then riddle me this: why would management hand over the passport to someone who had just broken the curfew a day before?

 

[Pak_cricketer]

You know if he WANTED asylum, he could've done it at a better time.

Get ready folks, I can feel another big episode.

 

[DCP]

So here is another quote from cricinfo...

"Raza Haider, Zulqarnain's brother, said the wicketkeeper had reportedly received threats. "I spoke to Zulqarnain after the fourth ODI and he told me he had received some kind of threats after that game, but he gave no details," Raza said."

It seems like his family had no prior knowledge of his impending disappearance. If the "threats" were so severe and grave.... would he not told his brother about it so his daughters and rest of family could have heads up about upping their security... OR Is he a coward and sought to get himself safe even over the safety of his own daughters first!

If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, sounds like a rat, and acts like a rat.... ITS A RAT!!

That's the point my friend. I DON'T KNOW HOW SEVERE THE THREATS WERE! I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS REASONS WERE. AND NEITHER DO YOU!

So, hold off your judgement and your insults, till you get his side of the story -- FROM HIM!

 

[Fawad_Bhai]

Somone Please summarize what has happened until now for me. I don't have time to read 11 pages

JazakAllah khair.

 

[kingusama92]

For all you know, the PCB management sent him off with due security and knowledge of the real motives behind this. Remember how he was sent back to Pakistan after his heroics against England? What did the media release by the PCB management entail then, do you mind refreshing my memory? Was it not an injury that prevented him from being in the playing XI? And how serious was Zulqarnain's injury? A hairline fracture in his pinky, of all places.

Now, see how idiotic your assumptions sound "in my ear"?

Should I trust your assumptions or the PCB statement that was released? Hmmm.

The PCB statement explicitly states that Zulqarnain Haider did not explain the reasoning behind his request for his own passport. He just asked for it and they gave it to him expecting nothing wrong to have occurred.

He's a wicketkeeper. Hairline fracture on one's pinky would be quite a concern don't you think or do keepers keep with their feet now?

 

[Decipher]

If the betting mafia is in fact THAT strong than I can pretty much say today's game was fixed as well.
They deliberately bowled crappy stuff so that SA could amass a total that would be out of our reach even if our batsmen batted to the best of ability.

I can't believe that all of a sudden our bowlers simply forgot to bowl straight in the final game.

 

[kingusama92]

Claims coming in that he has asked for asylum in the UK.

A couple of news sources have it up.

Could be complete gossip.

 

[Levity]

Brother you could well be right but it could also be that him and his family are well off in pakistan and have no reason to come to this country and this is all genuine

Britain has the greenest grass, the greenest trees and the peas are quite green here too.

 

[DCP]

Should I trust your assumptions or the PCB statement that was released? Hmmm.

The PCB statement explicitly states that Zulqarnain Haider did not explain the reasoning behind his request for his own passport. He just asked for it and they gave it to him expecting nothing wrong to have occurred.

He's a wicketkeeper. Hairline fracture on one's pinky would be quite a concern don't you think or do keepers keep with their feet now?

Every keeper in the world on any level of cricket plays with hairline fractures. Zulqarnain would not have been the first keeper in the history of time or cricket to have played through a niggle like that. When he himself felt comfortable with it.

And, you trust the PCB? )

 

[shaheen1shaheen2]

if his family is well off he wouldnt want to come here to seek asylum,if you have money the quality of life is better in pakistan than it is here in london

 

[Maula Jutt]

I am wondering though. Not directly related to Zoni but a general wondering..

If this 'betting mafia' was so strong, wouldn't they focus more on the three stooges who recently got back from England? Think about it. With each passing day, the trio gets more desperate to get back into cricket as their hopes get dashed that they'll get out of the case safe. ICC ain't cooperating, PCB ain't cooperating. Not to mention, fighting cases in other countries wastes your money like tapwater. Wouldn't those three be under more pressure to go to the police (they are already under investigation), spill the beans, and get some relief? And so, shouldn't they be dead by now?

Aren't they more of a threat to the 'betting mafia' than a player who isn't even a regular in the side? How come those three are not only free to go anywhere they want without any worry, but are seen regularly in restaurants, stadiums and many, many TV stations nowadays?

 

[Stewie]

Somebody wake up zoni and get ans asap

 

[kingusama92]

Every keeper in the world on any level of cricket plays with hairline fractures. Zulqarnain would not have been the first keeper in the history of time or cricket to have played through a niggle like that. When he himself felt comfortable with it.

And, you trust the PCB? )

I trust them more then someone sitting miles away from the situation.

Are you serious about your comments concerning Zoni's injury? Every keeper plays through hairline fractures on their hands?! Since when?!

I have seen players miss entire series/tournaments because of such injuries. Here is a list of individuals who missed hefty amount of time due to hairline fracture on their fingers.

Yuvraj Singh - missed Champions Trophy 2009/2010
Suresh Raina - missed Windies tour in 2009
Younus Khan - missed chunk of Champions trophy 2009/2010
Jacob Oram - missed Windies tour in 2008
Nick Knight - missed Natwest series in 2000

This list is never-ending, but I stopped there.

If normal players can't play entire series or chunks of them because of hairline fractures on their hands how could Zoni as a keeper?

Plus, Zoni explicitly stated that he could have played with his "broken hand" if he wanted to. That does not mean the doctor could have allowed him to play. Many players want to play especially young ones regardless of how badly they are injured.

 

[zulfi00]

I am wondering though. Not directly related to Zoni but a general wondering..

If this 'betting mafia' was so strong, wouldn't they focus more on the three stooges who recently got back from England? Think about it. With each passing day, the trio gets more desperate to get back into cricket as their hopes get dashed that they'll get out of the case safe. ICC ain't cooperating, PCB ain't cooperating. Not to mention, fighting cases in other countries wastes your money like tapwater. Wouldn't those three be under more pressure to go to the police (they are already under investigation), spill the beans, and get some relief? And so, shouldn't they be dead by now?

Aren't they more of a threat to the 'betting mafia' than a player who isn't even a regular in the side? How come those three are not only free to go anywhere they want without any worry, but are seen regularly in restaurants, stadiums and many, many TV stations nowadays?

I do wish them (all three) well and safe life, but I would not be surprise if they face such threats when either they get convicted/banned or decide to go with real story. Personally think, the reason Amir is not inclined to part way with Butt and disclosing the facts and getting lesser punishment is probably this mafia.

Hope I am wrong but in Pakistan no one is safe, unless you are part of these bad, corrupt people.

 

[DCP]

I trust them more then someone sitting miles away from the situation.

Are you serious about your comments concerning Zoni's injury? Every keeper plays through hairline fractures on their hands?! Since when?!

I have seen players miss entire series/tournaments because of such injuries. Here is a list of individuals who missed hefty amount of time due to hairline fracture on their fingers.



This list is never-ending, but I stopped there.

If normal players can't play entire series or chunks of them because of hairline fractures on their hands how could Zoni as a keeper?

Plus, Zoni explicitly stated that he could have played with his "broken hand" if he wanted to. That does not mean the doctor could have allowed him to play. Many players want to play especially young ones regardless of how badly they are injured.

That is the most irrelevant and useless stat I have ever seen in my e-life.

Comparing a vague list of unknown stress fractures to a specific one. Where the player himself stated that it was minor enough to not keep him out of the line-up, is not only obnoxious, but defines the term "clutching at straws".

Jammed fingers, hairline fractures in fingers and thumbs even, nerve damage to fingers are injuries that every keeper at one time or the other and some over the course of their entire careers play on with. Please, for the sake of our co-existence on this message board, do not attempt something so lame again.

Secondly, from what I have seen of the PCB, specially the management, I would much rather put my trust on the usefulness of an ashtray on a bike. If you, after all the world has witnessed, still put your faith and trust in PCB, we have nothing to more to discuss and I advise you to seek immediate counselling.

 

[Looney]

i saw on ARY News that it has been confirmed that has applied for political asylum

 

[qaiser]

S.akhtar went with Zoni. Did he underperform in place of zoni

Akhtar bowled was really fishy

 

[zulfi00]

Zulqarnain at Heathrow airport video:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150290885965507

 

[qaiser]

Surprise about bigger butt and Indian Cricket council being so quiet

 

[Looney]

To the people saying what he did is not very smart or wrecked his career : We do not even know the reason behind this . We do not know how much pressure he is under . We do not know ANYTHING . So just stop saying things like that because obviously a drastic step such as this one must have not been easy for him . Why would he want to wreck his own career and let go of the opportunity of playing for Pakistan when we all know how difficult it can be . He had everything so why would he let it all go ?

I think we all know that the PCB CAN BE , the officials , management , most players , can be involved in match fixing . Maybe he did not want to be one of them . We had Geoff Lawson who said he was also threatened . We know the people in PCB are not angels , not even close . So just be patient and support somebody who may not be a legendary keeper but at least , he refused to join hands with these guys

He is seriously risking it all , his career , his respect , his family , everything to prove something

 

[iHammad]

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[aamerfan]

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damn thats sad

she looks just like him

 

[Looney]

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This is just heartbreaking . Whether Zoni acted like 2 yr old or what he did was heroic , his family is being punished without a reason

 

[mhraja]

TV channels just play with emotions!!!!


The family will already be very worried and now they are asking 5 year old for an interview :S

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Should I trust your assumptions or the PCB statement that was released? Hmmm.

The PCB statement explicitly states that Zulqarnain Haider did not explain the reasoning behind his request for his own passport. He just asked for it and they gave it to him expecting nothing wrong to have occurred.

He's a wicketkeeper. Hairline fracture on one's pinky would be quite a concern don't you think or do keepers keep with their feet now?

Easy choice really - I would even trust a drunk in the street before I trust the crooks that are the PCB

I havnt read most of the posts on this matter nor many articles so I might be missing a lot of information BUT why is the lad getting criticised?

Yes he could have handled the situation better BUT if he felt he was in danger then it is understandable that his reaction and action would be chaotic as a result - let's hear what the lad has to say on the matter in the coming days before castigating him

I am glad he is in the UK and hopefully he is safe - far better to be here than with the PCB or even back in Pakistan

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

If he was afraid of the PCB officials - why did he go and ask for his passport from them? Surely, if you are scared of an individual and are "fleeing" you don't go up to them and expect to get your passport [which he did].

He certainly did get scared from the looks of things. Which is why I am bemused that he didn't contact the appropriate authorities.

In fact, I have forgot the third option he had. The option of contacting the local police in Dubai and getting them to sort things out [provide extra security for him]. Fleeing left him wide open to being put into a seriously troubling situation with those that wanted to supposedly kill him.

You might still disagree with me and feel Zoni might have felt like the entire world was out to get him. You could say he didn't want to trust anybody because perhaps someone quite close to him turned out to be the evil one [all theory of course]. My questions then are - Why do you give updates on your FB? Why do you give updates to Geo representatives about your plans?

Was that not childish? If I am running away - I don't go and basically let the entire world know exactly where I am located and even what flight I am taking.

Well he needed his passport to leave the country and if reports are to be believed then he came up with a cover story for needing it

 

[aamerfan]

Well he needed his passport to leave the country and if reports are to be believed then he came up with a cover story for needing it

on tv he said

I made up that excuse of buying a SIM to the team management in order to get my passport to come to the UK

 

[*sallu*]

Well he needed his passport to leave the country and if reports are to be believed then he came up with a cover story for needing it

Sanakazmi quoting Zulqarnain saying to Geo that (news ticker) he needed to buy a sim card

 

[GOAT]

This guys coming across as, plain and simple, an idiot. I have a feeling this has less to do with cricket and more a desire to move out of Pakistan. I can't be sure, so I won't accuse him of anything.

Its just so peculiar, why didn't he go to the ICC or the Dubai Police? Both are safer places I would think, then London where who knows how many people he knows live there. Dubai police are reliable, remember that case where the Hamas official was assassinated by Mossad? These guys uncovered it, and reported it. They're no slouches.

I had a look at his facebook earlier and this guy seems like a little girl. LOTS of articles posted up where they're praising him, lots of photoshopped pics of him, and status updates that when read will be followed by lol'ing. He's come off as a really weird guy, the story about him getting caught with alcohol doesn't help his case either.

But in any case, why not go to Pakistan and be with his family? Some people are saying he did it for the media attention and thus he would be safe. If he went back to Pakistan the media outcry would've been the same. He could've handled the media better by actually talking to em as well. But no, he went to London and now he wants asylum. All of this points to a man [or child] with questionable character and intentions.

 

[WhiteDudeFromTrinidad]

Easy choice really - I would even trust a drunk in the street before I trust the crooks that are the PCB

I havnt read most of the posts on this matter nor many articles so I might be missing a lot of information BUT why is the lad getting criticised?

Yes he could have handled the situation better BUT if he felt he was in danger then it is understandable that his reaction and action would be chaotic as a result - let's hear what the lad has to say on the matter in the coming days before castigating him

I am glad he is in the UK and hopefully he is safe - far better to be here than with the PCB or even back in Pakistan

many are worried that he might make damaging revelations that would see Pak cricket banned. So human nature is to discredit him beforehand by claiming that he's an attention seeker/mentally unstable/a traitor and so on

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

many are worried that he might make damaging revelations that would see Pak cricket banned. So human nature is to discredit him beforehand by claiming that he's an attention seeker/mentally unstable/a traitor and so on

Pak cricket is run by a buffoon who single-handedly doing a great job of trying to get Pak banned

I dont see any reason not to belive Zulqarnain - this would be the most absurd stunt to pull, he must be scared and right now I think Pak fan should be supporting him

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pak cricket is run by a buffoon who single-handedly doing a great job of trying to get Pak banned

I dont see any reason not to belive Zulqarnain - this would be the most absurd stunt to pull, he must be scared and right now I think Pak fan should be supporting him

Far too many holes in the story mate. He's pulled a stunt IMO

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Far too many holes in the story mate. He's pulled a stunt IMO

I just fail to see why he would need to pull a stunt?

btw what are these holes? (I havnt followed the story in depth so might have missed something)

 

[Decipher]

May be Zulqarnain has a long term planning where his goal is to get UK nationality thru the asylum and play for England and earn in pounds than Pak Rs ?

 

[SAM'S]

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[kingusama92]

That is the most irrelevant and useless stat I have ever seen in my e-life.

Comparing a vague list of unknown stress fractures to a specific one. Where the player himself stated that it was minor enough to not keep him out of the line-up, is not only obnoxious, but defines the term "clutching at straws".

Jammed fingers, hairline fractures in fingers and thumbs even, nerve damage to fingers are injuries that every keeper at one time or the other and some over the course of their entire careers play on with. Please, for the sake of our co-existence on this message board, do not attempt something so lame again.

Secondly, from what I have seen of the PCB, specially the management, I would much rather put my trust on the usefulness of an ashtray on a bike. If you, after all the world has witnessed, still put your faith and trust in PCB, we have nothing to more to discuss and I advise you to seek immediate counselling.

I didn't post any stats my friend. I think you meant facts.

You are the one who made this wild claim that no wicketkeeper in the history of the sport has ever sat out due to hairline fractures on their fingers. Yet, when I post a similar response concerning many players who have sat out with almost identical injuries - you castigate me?

Do I believe in the competence of the PCB? Nope. However, it turns out I was right because Zoni himself stated in his interview that he did not warn anyone of what he was about to do. So I suppose the board with the "usefulness of an ashtray on a bike" was correct with their statement.

Before advising others to seek immediate counselling - please check yourself into the nearest mental hospital.

 

[GOAT]

May be Zulqarnain has a long term planning where his goal is to get UK nationality thru the asylum and play for England and earn in pounds than Pak Rs ?

lol a bit too much dude. No ones that stupid, wouldn't make it into the England side anyways. He could play county cricket for the rest of his life though.

 

[the SHA]

I think for the sake of Pakistan cricket, the sake of its viability and future that Zulqarnain must be given a fair chance at explaining what an earth his experiences were that lead him to seemingly spontaneously fly out to London hours before a crunch match.

Pakistani cricket just gets weirder, and weirder, and weirder. This is not chance. This is the unveiling of a real shadowy force that has covertly pegged itself to Pakistani cricket!

 

[kingusama92]

Easy choice really - I would even trust a drunk in the street before I trust the crooks that are the PCB

I havnt read most of the posts on this matter nor many articles so I might be missing a lot of information BUT why is the lad getting criticised?

Yes he could have handled the situation better BUT if he felt he was in danger then it is understandable that his reaction and action would be chaotic as a result - let's hear what the lad has to say on the matter in the coming days before castigating him

I am glad he is in the UK and hopefully he is safe - far better to be here than with the PCB or even back in Pakistan

I disagree.

I have listed past examples of players who were threatened by bookies. Both of those players reported the suspicious activity to the appropriate authority [ACSU] and let them deal with it.

Neither of those two [Shane Watson/Shakib] died. Zulqarnain Haider had no reason to not trust the ACSU officials and he hasn't provided any substantial claim in his interview that would suggest the ACSU officials were in on any threat. Thus, I think he made a huge gaffe by just lying and running.

However, putting aside all of those criticisms I will still applaud the man and will be behind him if his story is the complete and honest truth. It takes a man of courage to risk his career and life for the sake of remaining honest and no one can take that away from him.

 

[Decipher]

lol a bit too much dude. No ones that stupid, wouldn't make it into the England side anyways. He could play county cricket for the rest of his life though.

lol .. it was only a joke man ... I know we all have to wait and hold on to speculations till the dust settles down.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I just fail to see why he would need to pull a stunt?

btw what are these holes? (I havnt followed the story in depth so might have missed something)

Something just doesnt add for me. Firstly he ran to England. He could have strolled into the ICC offices and had his say.

He was in contact with a geo news reported saying hes on his way to England. How hard is it to find flight details from Heathrow to Dubai. If you were really in fear for your life you would flee with as little publicity as possible. Not announce where you are and where your going to the media while your family are in the dark!

Also he says he was threatened because he didnt fix the match. Therefore somebody must have approached him to fix the match before it occured. Why was this not reported to the ICC immediately?? He instead chose to play the match after being approached by a bookie - breach of the ICC regulations

Finally his role in hitting the winning runs was purely coincidence. He played crap all other matches.

Just my thoughts. I sincerley hope that whatever the outcome he and his family remain safe inshallah
These are just my thoughts

 

[Decipher]

Now the question is ...

If Zulqarnain is given Asylum by UK then almost the entire Pakistan team will follow the trail and eventually the England team will have 50% of players from the current Pakistan side.

 

[GOAT]

lol .. it was only a joke man ... I know we all have to wait and hold on to speculations till the dust settles down.

Cant be sure with some of the stuff being said!

 

[Hash]

hmmm

I'm not sure what to make of this.

On the one hand you have the possibility that his life was genuinely in danger. Perhaps we weren't suppose to win the 4th ODI and he came along and ruined the plan....creating a few enemies in the process. Perhaps he is a genuine and honest guy. In which case, I am counting on him to be the saviour of Pakistan cricket by completely and uttery naming and shaming each and every fixer in the Pakistan team and exposing all the practices he is aware of. Hopefully he can also provide some evidence along with it.

On the other hand he might just be a complete idiot. Why didn't he just go through the normal channels and report all matters to the ICC Anti Corruption Unit? If he didn't trust the PCB, there is no excuse for him not to have gone to the ICC.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Something just doesnt add for me. Firstly he ran to England. He could have strolled into the ICC offices and had his say.

He was in contact with a geo news reported saying hes on his way to England. How hard is it to find flight details from Heathrow to Dubai. If you were really in fear for your life you would flee with as little publicity as possible. Not announce where you are and where your going to the media while your family are in the dark!

Also he says he was threatened because he didnt fix the match. Therefore somebody must have approached him to fix the match before it occured. Why was this not reported to the ICC immediately?? He instead chose to play the match after being approached by a bookie - breach of the ICC regulations

Finally his role in hitting the winning runs was purely coincidence. He played crap all other matches.

Just my thoughts. I sincerley hope that whatever the outcome he and his family remain safe inshallah
These are just my thoughts

The manner of which he left I have no real issues with - if he was threatened then his mind would obviously have been all over the place and I cant even begin to imagine what he was going through so he understandably didnt make the correct moves

The issue and question mark like you say is regarding the fixing - if he was approached before hand and he didnt report it then he has some questions to answer

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I disagree.

I have listed past examples of players who were threatened by bookies. Both of those players reported the suspicious activity to the appropriate authority [ACSU] and let them deal with it.

Neither of those two [Shane Watson/Shakib] died. Zulqarnain Haider had no reason to not trust the ACSU officials and he hasn't provided any substantial claim in his interview that would suggest the ACSU officials were in on any threat. Thus, I think he made a huge gaffe by just lying and running.

However, putting aside all of those criticisms I will still applaud the man and will be behind him if his story is the complete and honest truth. It takes a man of courage to risk his career and life for the sake of remaining honest and no one can take that away from him.

Again I ask when was Shane Watson issue with death threats? or even Shakib?

 

[the SHA]

Some of the criticism of Zoni here is quite harsh. I think this is partially due to the proximity this event has to the Spot-fixing trio scandal.

Unlike the accused Amir, Asif and Salman Butt, where it is clear what they had to gain from their alleged actions; what exactly does Zoni have to gain in this case?

Hes essentially quit his paid job, jeopardised his professional integrity and future, all for what gain?? A British passport? Thats frankly absurd when you dwell on the facts for more than 60 seconds.

No rational person would think of taking such panic-like decisions unless there was a valid reason for them to panic. Lets hear what it is with sympathetic ears. He didnt have any cash stashed under his mattress!

 

[Decipher]

I guess he knew that he has NO future with Pakistan team after Kamran Akmal's come back, so better off get out of Pakistan and live happily in UK.

 

[kingusama92]

Again I ask when was Shane Watson issue with death threats? or even Shakib?

Oops - missed your previous post amidst the new posts.

Yes, you are correct neither Watson or Shakib received explicit death threats. Honest mistake on my part.

However, I think it's fair to assume that those bookies would have gone a whole lot further if the ACSU hadn't been contacted and intervened.

Plus, I think it's futile to assume that Zoni was not first contacted nicely by these bookies. Bookies don't just walk up to player and give him a death threat right off the bat otherwise no one would deal with them.

It's Zoni's fault for not contacting the ACSU officials after the first contact with these people. The moment they asked him to fix the match - he should be calling the ACSU officials. He didn't and the situation escalated to the point where he won the match and the bookies went off on him.

Why do I have a feeling he accepted the deal with the bookies and then backtracked later on? Anyway, that is probably wrong of me and I don't want to tar him without just reasoning.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No rational person would think of taking such panic-like decisions unless there was a valid reason for them to panic. Lets hear what it is with sympathetic ears. He didnt have any cash stashed under his mattress!

Key word. We dont know much about Zoni. Got caught with sharab in 2006 and fined for curfew earlier this week.

The rest of the team was unconcerned with his departure. I suspect something else is going on.

However if hes telling the truth then he should be treated like a hero.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Some of the criticism of Zoni here is quite harsh. I think this is partially due to the proximity this event has to the Spot-fixing trio scandal.

Unlike the accused Amir, Asif and Salman Butt, where it is clear what they had to gain from their alleged actions; what exactly does Zoni have to gain in this case?

Hes essentially quit his paid job, jeopardised his professional integrity and future, all for what gain?? A British passport? Thats frankly absurd when you dwell on the facts for more than 60 seconds.

No rational person would think of taking such panic-like decisions unless there was a valid reason for them to panic. Lets hear what it is with sympathetic ears. He didnt have any cash stashed under his mattress!

Exactly my thoughts as well - either he is telling the truth or he has mental health problems - either way we should be supporting him

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oops - missed your previous post amidst the new posts.

Yes, you are correct neither Watson or Shakib received explicit death threats. Honest mistake on my part.

However, I think it's fair to assume that those bookies would have gone a whole lot further if the ACSU hadn't been contacted and intervened.

Plus, I think it's futile to assume that Zoni was not first contacted nicely by these bookies. Bookies don't just walk up to player and give him a death threat right off the bat otherwise no one would deal with them.

It's Zoni's fault for not contacting the ACSU officials after the first contact with these people. The moment they asked him to fix the match - he should be calling the ACSU officials. He didn't and the situation escalated to the point where he won the match and the bookies went off on him.

Why do I have a feeling he accepted the deal with the bookies and then backtracked later on? Anyway, that is probably wrong of me and I don't want to tar him without just reasoning.

That is a bit far fetched - I agree there is something not quite right, if he was approached by a bookie then like you say he should have reported (though how do we know he didnt? have the ACSU said otherwise?) and he was silly not to

Still the bigger issue here is that he claims he has been threatened for refusing to fix matches - he needs our support at this time because if he is telling the truth then he is one brave lad, cant be easy being him right now

 

[kingusama92]

That is a bit far fetched - I agree there is something not quite right, if he was approached by a bookie then like you say he should have reported (though how do we know he didnt? have the ACSU said otherwise?) and he was silly not to

Still the bigger issue here is that he claims he has been threatened for refusing to fix matches - he needs our support at this time because if he is telling the truth then he is one brave lad, cant be easy being him right now

He claimed himself in his interview with GEO that he didn't.

I support him 100%. I just hope he's not taking the mickey here for some petty reason [we all know the mental capacity of our players]. meed

 

[Black Zero]

Whats latest?

can someone sum up for ignorants?

 

[kingusama92]

Whats latest?

can someone sum up for ignorants?

Read the thread and Cricinfo's piece on the situation.

I would sum it up, but I didn't watch a chunk of his interview.

 

[Black Zero]

Read the thread and Cricinfo's piece on the situation.

I would sum it up, but I didn't watch a chunk of his interview.

thx.
I read that cricinfo (nothing much after that FB message)
Has he spilled some beans?

 

[kingusama92]

thx.
I read that cricinfo (nothing much after that FB message)
Has he spilled some beans?

He hasn't spilled much, but he did come across as very sincere in the interview.

One of the interesting parts was when he stated that the dressing room atmosphere after the 4th ODI victory was jovial and happy. Yet, in another part he was saying that he doesn't want to blame anyone but only Allah knows best.

Quite confusing.

He was also quick to state that it wasn't the team management's fault. Which means none of the staff has even a clue about what's going on terms of the match-fixing.

 

[123]

maybe he took the money and didnt keep his promise ?

 

[taxzu]

As far as i remember afridi was very desperate to win 4th ODI. You can see at tv how much tense he was and how he cried with happiness. When scores were level he was so relieved. Almost whole team ran onto pitch when winning run was scored.
I dont think he was threatened and if he did recieve any threatening message it might have been a hoax. If those threats were real he wouldn't have been able to leave dubai. He would have been under constant surveillence by betting mafia.

 

[kingusama92]

maybe he took the money and didnt keep his promise ?

A theory that I did suggest.

Like GA stated - it seems far-fetched, plus why tar the guy for no reason? He might be the only good one in the team.

 

[rajachoudhary50]

Far too many holes in the story mate. He's pulled a stunt IMO

After playing a match winning knock...why would he pull /or gain from this stunt except some publicity which he would have got anyway.

 

[rajachoudhary50]

Now the question is ...
If Zulqarnain is given Asylum by UK then almost the entire Pakistan team will follow the trail and eventually the England team will have 50% of players from the current Pakistan side.

Is the SAffers leave some spot empty in team

 

[Sherazkhalid]

I guess he knew that he has NO future with Pakistan team after Kamran Akmal's come back, so better off get out of Pakistan and live happily in UK.

+1, Well I am inclined towards your opinion as well, I hope i am wrong, its hard to distinguish between topi drama and real cases when it comes to Pakistan these days.

 

[Tapori]

^ Don't you know he wants UK passport.

Your so naive... (sarc.)