The Zulqarnain Haider Story

[srh]

He should have done what Rashid Latif did: call a press conference and name the cheats. But it takes guts to do that.

 

[Mr S Khan]

He is really a big idiot...a bright future is destroyed for nothing??? If he gets an asylum in UK so...what??What he is going to do here???Playing for England Team Or making burgers in McDonald????He destroyed whatever respect of the country was left after what has happened????

 

[the Great Khan]

isn't it obvious why he's not talking?

 

[Stewie]

Mr S Khan.. you dont take such drastic steps wihtout any genuine reasons... what does he have to gain out of all this.. if he is a liar, he has pretty much erased any miniscule chance of an international career with Pakistan. I personally am sure we will never see him in Pakistan colors again.. but why would you do such a thing? Publicity stunt?? not likely.. Money?? cant say he will get paid handsomely for this.. is it political asylum in the UK? WHY WOULD AN INTERNATIONAL CRICKETER DO SUCH A THING?

I dont think any scenarios of him being a liar at this point seem logical unless we are missing some other huge incentive he had.

 

[Atif]

Lol there are alot of drama queens on PP for sure...

 

[sam]

In his own words, Sohail Imran is saying - "Ek dhamki" ki waja se yeh sab huwa hay.

His behaviour isn't warranted even if it was Waqr or Inti who gave him that "dhamki". :vicky

 

[Gollum]

that's the end of Zoni's international careeer....fly in Sarfraz for the test series

 

[Friend786]

I think if you had read the date under that comment, it would have saved you some trouble..

i mean that , he already had trouble with lahore cricket !

 

[Gollum]

isn't it obvious why he's not talking?

no, please enlighten me

 

[W63L35]

Now that, my dear brother - are 2 different things. Making life hell/difficult to survive - go speak with the mgmt. or captain or be man enough to deal with it himself.

He is only 24 year old. May be he is not a very street smart person.

If its match fixing - then the ICC which is already under pressure to deal with corruption in cricket, they would have welcomed any information with open arms.
Agreed.

Yes, above are two different things. But, I don't think it is match fixing .. if it was, then ICC would have been the right route.

May be it is combination of both.

All of us are speculating. Aren't we? I posted a comment from somebody who knows Zoni's family does not mean, that person was not speculating... may be he was, may be he was not. We'll find out.

 

[mhraja]

PCB ki phir gandi honi hai bus aur kuch nahin

 

[sam]

So Zoni is in UK and initially our captain didn't even know about it? Here is what Afridi said
"At the ground, no official explanation was forthcoming. Captain Shahid Afridi said Haider was resting while Waqar Younis, the team coach, suggested the team manager would be better placed to speak on his whereabouts"

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He said this at the toss:

Graeme Smith has won the toss and opted to bat. Two changes. Tsotsobe is back for Parnell, Peterson is in for David Miller. "He's resting, we're still trying to find him," says Afridi. "Security is trying to trace him." Three changes for Pakistan - Mohammad Yousuf is back, Umar Akmal replaces Haider, Shahzaib Hasan is also in.

Get over it, really!

 

[amirfanforlife]

oh for god sake, give him a break; I'm rather sure he wouldn't just run away without there being actual threats. He obviously isn't going to announce everything when he feels he and his family is in danger.

 

[WhiteDudeFromTrinidad]

What better than to rat that team member out in front of the ICC?

Still dont understand why that is related to London.

ICC have an office at Lords Cricket Ground in London

and of course Scotland Yard are also based in London

so if he wants to rat out the corrupt faction he's in the perfect location imo

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

Quite a jump to reach that conclusion. PCB is a very poorly run organisation - a complete shambles. Not a league of assasins.

who knows it might be ..its runed by a man whos killed his own wife

But wouldn't a cricket ground be the safest option?

No gunda is going to go after a player on the pitch!

Could've easily made the trip after the game instead of costing us a series win.

bhai what about when the match ends and everybody leaves ...

 

[farsiddiqui]

I think there may be more to the story. Why did he not feel comfortable enough talking to the team management about the threats? Does he think/know that they are involved?
Do some people want another keeper in the side who is more amiable?

Very absurd action from Zoni and that is why I think there may be more involved than is apparent.

 

[*sallu*]

The whole saga

Not selecting Kamran, not selecting Kaneria, news that Malik might be linked and will need ICC clearance and now Zoni running away

I just feel all the players are too deeply involved and can't get away even if they wanted to

 

[Gollum]

Still, talking to Geo before he even felt the ground underneath his feet in London leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[oracleg]

ICC have an office at Lords Cricket Ground in London

and of course Scotland Yard are also based in London

so if he wants to rat out the corrupt faction he's in the perfect location imo

Why would SY be interested in an ODI played in the UAE? It's outside their jurisdiction.

 

[sanakazmi]

ZULQARNAIN HAIDER IS GOING ON GEO TOMARROW AND AND TELL 2 PEOPLES WHAT GOING ON IN LAHORE CRICKET WHAT THE POLITICS GOING IN LAHORE CRICKET

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lahore-Pakistan/Zulqarnain-Haider-Pakistan-Wicket-Keeper/363513561056

This is not his real account. (And, like everyone said, the date is old).

 

[chacha kashmiri]

ICC have an office at Lords Cricket Ground in London

and of course Scotland Yard are also based in London

so if he wants to rat out the corrupt faction he's in the perfect location imo

Maybe he didn't realise the new advances in telecommunications/ the internet that have surfaced over the last 50 or so years.

And if he was scared for his life, maybe it would have been better to go to a place and not announce your arrival?

 

[786warrior]

I hope zoni splits some wigs now - I have a strong feeling the PCB house of cards is about to fall!!!! please GOD!!!

 

[Mr S Khan]

Mr Stewie..He is not mentally strong guy..he is mentally very weak...thats why he is flying to UK..hE SHOULD STAYED THERE AND SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE management about all these threats...Is he that much important player that the bookies rae behind him..I tell you he is abigggggggggggggJhoooooootttttttt....come on be brave and fight for ur country and urself..Pak need Col Sheer Khan like mentality not like MrrrrrrrrrrrrZooooooooNNNNNNNi

 

[amirfanforlife]

But wouldn't a cricket ground be the safest option?

No gunda is going to go after a player on the pitch!

Could've easily made the trip after the game instead of costing us a series win.

1) What about when the match finishes?
2) How could you expect him to play when he's recieved death threats?
3) What would you do in his situation? play the match or go to the place where you feel you'll be secure?

 

[sam]

1) What about when the match finishes?
2) How could you expect him to play when he's recieved death threats?
3) What would you do in his situation? play the match or go to the place where you feel you'll be secure?

If you want be secure and run away from death threats, the first thing you do is NOT announce your travel plans to the world.

 

[Gollum]

Mr Stewie..He is not mentally strong guy..he is mentally very weak...thats why he is flying to UK..hE SHOULD STAYED THERE AND SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE management about all these threats...Is he that much important player that the bookies rae behind him..I tell you he is abigggggggggggggJhoooooootttttttt....come on be brave and fight for ur country and urself..Pak need Col Sheer Khan like mentality not like MrrrrrrrrrrrrZooooooooNNNNNNNi

agree he should have gone to the ICC HQ (probably walking distance from the hotel!) and sought help

 

[insaaniyat]

Of course he knew.....he did not want to reveal anything.... :S

thewn come up wit ha better excuse As I said he has no brain

 

[insaaniyat]

He said this at the toss:

Graeme Smith has won the toss and opted to bat. Two changes. Tsotsobe is back for Parnell, Peterson is in for David Miller. "He's resting, we're still trying to find him," says Afridi. "Security is trying to trace him." Three changes for Pakistan - Mohammad Yousuf is back, Umar Akmal replaces Haider, Shahzaib Hasan is also in.

Get over it, really!

Keep defending the brainless captain we ever had who can't even bat or bowl anymore.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

I hope zoni splits some wigs now - I have a strong feeling the PCB house of cards is about to fall!!!! please GOD!!!

I hope so too...

I have long felt that this goes all the way to the top....

Good on Zoni!

 

[sam]

thewn come up wit ha better excuse As I said he has no brain

Please read post # 29 to see the entire quote. He clearly said this along with what you have selectively quoted from Cricinfo:

"We're still trying to find him," says Afridi. "Security is trying to trace him."

 

[sal2010]

from his actions it seems that it runs deeper then a few suspended players!

 

[amirfanforlife]

Could this all be linked to Amir, Salman and Asif?

 

[Gollum]

Could this all be linked to Amir, Salman and Asif?

Lets wait for SY and ASCU guys to get a hold of him

 

[Stewie]

Mr Stewie..He is not mentally strong guy..he is mentally very weak...thats why he is flying to UK..hE SHOULD STAYED THERE AND SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE management about all these threats...Is he that much important player that the bookies rae behind him..I tell you he is abigggggggggggggJhoooooootttttttt....come on be brave and fight for ur country and urself..Pak need Col Sheer Khan like mentality not like MrrrrrrrrrrrrZooooooooNNNNNNNi

its easy for you to say this when you are not in that situation. Please bear in mind we dont know WHO threatened him and with WHAT?

So unless we know that, we should reserve our comments. I am not saying his actions are right all I am saying is LOGICALLY speaking, there may be some merit to them.

Now we know he is NOT that important a player. But a keeper DOES play a crucial role. Kami is NOT that great a player but he DOES drop catches that turn the tide and Pakistan loses, doesnt he???

A keeper is a vital cog in the wheel so while Zoni may not be the next Wasim Bari or Gilchrist, he is still vital to the fate of the team.

I am not even going to humor you with an answer to your Sher Khan absurdity. A cyber warrior such as yourself can only point fingers and say what one SHOULD have done.

 

[farazaidi]

I think there may be more to the story. Why did he not feel comfortable enough talking to the team management about the threats? Does he think/know that they are involved?
Do some people want another keeper in the side who is more amiable?

Very absurd action from Zoni and that is why I think there may be more involved than is apparent.

And dumb PCB are talking about inquiry into the matter. First priority right now should be the security of Zoni & his family. Need to bring him back to Lahore ASAP

I'm extremely disturbed with this development

 

[amirfanforlife]

And dumb PCB are talking about inquiry into the matter. First priority right now should be the security of Zoni & his family. Need to bring him back to Lahore ASAP

I'm extremely disturbed with this development

LOL same.. i have a maths exam tmr - and instead of revising... I'm on PP

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

Salman butt and the reporter who spoke to haider on islamabad tonight VIDEO

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watch from 1:10

salman butt saying haiders FB page might be fake lol ..dont know why PCB gave him his passport

then he started moaning about his own case

 

[proud_pakistani]

Well after this what it looks like is that bookies still have control over some players and they can make them do what they want...and maybe they did not have Zoni in their party yet and might have asked him later on...or perhaps no1 thought that he was good enough to take Pakistan to a win like he did...so therefore now they tried to include him to his party with threats which he dutifully refused...its a conspiracy theory but thats wht makes sense to me....

 

[Gollum]

LOL same.. i have a maths exam tmr - and instead of revising... I'm on PP

go study for your exam and forget about this drama...they will have a recap in the next episode!

 

[786warrior]

I hope so too...

I have long felt that this goes all the way to the top....

Good on Zoni!

Definitely the stench goes to the top!!! I just hope now all the vermin are caught and exterminated

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

The whole saga

Not selecting Kamran, not selecting Kaneria, news that Malik might be linked and will need ICC clearance and now Zoni running away

I just feel all the players are too deeply involved and can't get away even if they wanted to

Exactly!

Needs someone external to force this to be fixed (i mean sorted).

I bet the players would love for that to be the case. They feel trapped and have no alternative.

 

[amirfanforlife]

go study for your exam and forget about this drama...they will have a recap in the next episode!

Yeah, I think I should
Byebye

 

[cricfan967]

The Zulqarnain Haider Controversy Update Thread

Latest update: He is in UK and has called Geo to tell them to provide security for his home in Lahore.

Post updates on this thread as the situation develops.

 

[WhiteDudeFromTrinidad]

Maybe he didn't realise the new advances in telecommunications/ the internet that have surfaced over the last 50 or so years.

And if he was scared for his life, maybe it would have been better to go to a place and not announce your arrival?

if the form book is anything to go by if he had gone directly to PCB or ICC they would have done everything to keep it hush-hush and effectively done nothing and his family would have still been in danger

by fleeing and making it public that threats have been made against himself and his family it was 1.01 that the Pak police were going to take it seriously and post police officers outside the family home

sometimes going public is the only way to protect yourself from the underworld

 

[sam]

Fate of this thread: Will either be deleted or merged with one of the countless Zoni ones.

 

[cricfan967]

Fate of this thread: Will either be deleted or merged with one of the countless Zoni ones.

That's the problem. The threads are all over the place. I just thought it would be better if everyone can just come to one thread and be updated with the latest on the controversy rather than having to go through multiple ones.

 

[Mian Hassan]

there is already 1 thread where is says he is misssing use that one

 

[sam]

There's a sticky thread where all updates are being added. It's called: The Zulqarnain Haider Saga: The boy who went MISSING and appeared in the UK!

Eight pages long, as of now.

 

[Wanton]

Mr S Khan.. you dont take such drastic steps wihtout any genuine reasons... what does he have to gain out of all this.. if he is a liar, he has pretty much erased any miniscule chance of an international career with Pakistan. I personally am sure we will never see him in Pakistan colors again.. but why would you do such a thing? Publicity stunt?? not likely.. Money?? cant say he will get paid handsomely for this.. is it political asylum in the UK? WHY WOULD AN INTERNATIONAL CRICKETER DO SUCH A THING?

I dont think any scenarios of him being a liar at this point seem logical unless we are missing some other huge incentive he had.

Finally a sensible post... lots of people writing here just rubbish without anything knowing exactly. Just wait and see...

 

[AZ]

the UAE is a LOT safer than the England

God knows what is happening with him, obviously he is deeply shaken by those msgs.

He has to come out and explain, he can't keep it to himself forever, otherwise he will constantly be looking over his shoulder.

 

[Mian Hassan]

ZULQARNAIN HAIDER IS GOING ON GEO TOMARROW AND AND TELL 2 PEOPLES WHAT GOING ON IN LAHORE CRICKET WHAT THE POLITICS GOING IN LAHORE CRICKET

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lahore-Pakistan/Zulqarnain-Haider-Pakistan-Wicket-Keeper/363513561056

CHECKKK THE Date its in FEB 10 months ago

 

[Animal]

if the form book is anything to go by if he had gone directly to PCB or ICC they would have done everything to keep it hush-hush and effectively done nothing and his family would have still been in danger

by fleeing and making it public that threats have been made against himself and his family it was 1.01 that the Pak police were going to take it seriously and post police officers outside the family home

sometimes going public is the only way to protect yourself from the underworld

+1

We should all tone down our criticism of Haider because this could be a seriously scary situation for him and his family.

 

[insaaniyat]

Please read post # 29 to see the entire quote. He clearly said this along with what you have selectively quoted from Cricinfo:

"We're still trying to find him," says Afridi. "Security is trying to trace him."

First excuse "he is resting" was just out of this world. Only brainless Afrdi can come up with something like that)

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

if the form book is anything to go by if he had gone directly to PCB or ICC they would have done everything to keep it hush-hush and effectively done nothing and his family would have still been in danger

by fleeing and making it public that threats have been made against himself and his family it was 1.01 that the Pak police were going to take it seriously and post police officers outside the family home

sometimes going public is the only way to protect yourself from the underworld

Very very well said....

 

[PB]

..LOL @ Afridi saying hes resting..Hahahahahaha

 

[Shoaib356]

he is worried about his fmaily but what is he doing in uk?

im confused what is he dtrying to do?

 

[atif.raza]

If he just had a good sense of reporting this to Dubai police first, he would have received much better protection than he would in England. But i wish him good luck in his life ahead. Hopefully he can join a club and earn a good living for himself and family

 

[sanakazmi]

if the form book is anything to go by if he had gone directly to PCB or ICC they would have done everything to keep it hush-hush and effectively done nothing and his family would have still been in danger

by fleeing and making it public that threats have been made against himself and his family it was 1.01 that the Pak police were going to take it seriously and post police officers outside the family home

sometimes going public is the only way to protect yourself from the underworld

Good point. I can understand why he would be afraid of approaching the ACSU or the Dubai police too. I mean, it would've been the right thing to do, but he obviously decided to run away, and if he was scared for his life, I won't really put him at fault.

 

[blinding light]

It's a wait and watch game for now, I agree entirely.

However I can't shake off the feeling the guy will probably end up with his family in London under political asylum..

 

[the saint]

this story will be made into a film within a few weeks.

 

[Krishnan]

Anyone bored with this sort of stuff to be frank?i think these days some exaggeration is going on and media taking full advantage of it.

shoaib akhtar bowled well all matches maybe except today,wahab played well,younis its safe to assume he is clean,hafeez and razzaq have done well,afridi has done the usual no change,looking at the way fawad alam fielded and batted in some matches dont think he would get involved in these things and all,saeed ajmal had performed badly but he was rightly dropped from the team and after that abdur rehman played decently and was no way a factor for losing the matches.shazaib's technique looks crap.That leaves just a few people under suspicion now and i dont think the "betting mafia" or whatever they call it would be so powerful as to carry out these things and influence the whole game.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Mr S Khan.. you dont take such drastic steps wihtout any genuine reasons... what does he have to gain out of all this.. if he is a liar, he has pretty much erased any miniscule chance of an international career with Pakistan. I personally am sure we will never see him in Pakistan colors again.. but why would you do such a thing? Publicity stunt?? not likely.. Money?? cant say he will get paid handsomely for this.. is it political asylum in the UK? WHY WOULD AN INTERNATIONAL CRICKETER DO SUCH A THING?

I dont think any scenarios of him being a liar at this point seem logical unless we are missing some other huge incentive he had.

EXACTLY

Lets wait and see what he has to say...

I hope it starts a chain reaction that helps REMOVE the cancer as opposed to sweeping it under the carpet....

 

[the saint]

Every single day with this board? It was Danish Kaneria yesterday and then Zoni today.

 

[Maula Jutt]

the UAE is a LOT safer than the England

God knows what is happening with him, obviously he is deeply shaken by those msgs.

He has to come out and explain, he can't keep it to himself forever, otherwise he will constantly be looking over his shoulder.

Exactly. Going to the media DOES ensure safety. But he hardly went to the media. He went to just Geo. The channel that went on a Save Zoni campaign when he was sent back during the England test series. And were quite active in the anti-Kamran campaign where some of Zoni's comments made me cringe. And this is the reason I am not satisfied with the way the picture is presented.

All he had to do was call a press conference in Dubai, both Pakistani and international, and come clean with what threats he has received and from whom. And then he should have asked the Dubai police to provide him security. Trust me, even if he hadn't involved the police, the media would have provided him that security because they keep an eye on you 24/7. Is ko shayad bathroom bhi akelay na jaanay detay!

What he did is not making sense.

 

[Atif]

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[Black Zero]

The whole saga

Not selecting Kamran, not selecting Kaneria, news that Malik might be linked and will need ICC clearance and now Zoni running away

I just feel all the players are too deeply involved and can't get away even if they wanted to

link please...

 

[ballack13]

Every single day with this board? It was Danish Kaneria yesterday and then Zoni today.

who will it be tomorrow

 

[Shoaib356]

NEXT TARTGET IS ijaz butt...........someone will kidnap him but let him go because they will not be able to handle he torture of keeping him and maintaining his food reqmts

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

soon PPers in uk will see zoni driving a cab in bradford

 

[sanakazmi]

Given the rumours about Kakmal and Malik being sidelined for the World Cup, Zulqarnain had a decent shot at a spot in the WC squad. Why would he throw it away for nothing?

There's something really weird about this.

 

[PB]

Given the rumours about Kakmal and Malik being sidelined for the World Cup, Zulqarnain had a decent shot at a spot in the WC squad. Why would he throw it away for nothing?

There's something really weird about this.

What do you mean for nothing? His safety, and his familys safety is nothing ?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Seriously this is something really dodgy here....The guy is saying he wants to call over his kids and wife to the UK and is currently staying in a London hotel on his own expenses.

 

[Shoaib356]

Given the rumours about Kakmal and Malik being sidelined for the World Cup, Zulqarnain had a decent shot at a spot in the WC squad. Why would he throw it away for nothing?

There's something really weird about this.

maybe match fixers asking him to leave team because akmal is real match fixer and they cna use him so they threatened him.

 

[Maula Jutt]

Seriously this is something really dodgy here....The guy is saying he wants to call over his kids and wife to the UK and is currently staying in a London hotel on his own expenses.

He also said he wants to settle there.

 

[the saint]

what else would you expect from a country that is run by the worst human being this world has to offer

 

[sanakazmi]

What do you mean for nothing? His safety, and his familys safety is nothing ?

I meant that that suggests that it couldn't be for nothing.

 

[PB]

I meant that that suggests that it couldn't be for nothing.

Ohhh Okaay

 

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

I hope he's well.

Some people are sooo wierd on PP! I mean somethings obviously happened that he's had to flee Dubai, i mean he just helped Pak to a great victory, you would feel on top of the world...So there's obviously a reason as to why he's in England.

Personally i think it may be something to do with the team managment- they dropped after he scored a gutsy 88 saying he was injured, he later denied this...

Maybe he wants to expose some players.

Whatever it is he has to tell the press. And for all those people who are saying he's selling us down the river this is why Pak is so corrupt because we dont want to grass or snitch on someone even though they are doing something wrong. This is why we stay so corrupt.

If there is still fixing going on or anything dodgy i hope he exposes it to get rid of the cancer within our team once and for all InshAllah.

Then we can win the world cup InshAllah

 

[*sallu*]

One thing is for sure - there is still plenty of dirt in the team

 

[Tapori]

All our thoughts and prayers should be there for Zoni's loved ones.

With Geoff Lawsons revelations, there is indeed something Rotten in the State of Pakistani Cricket.

- Watch the proverbial sht hit the fan

- Watch crazy rumours spread

- Watch Pakistan cobble together a team in time for the WC with YK and a few other noble men leading a run to the Final, in which we'll lose a close run match.

Always said this is deeply embedded, and that sinister influence can't be removed overnight.

Methinks a few tubby power brokers have their fingers in a few pies....


Impalal and others - Damn right!

How anyone, I mean anyone, can question theis young lad without even hearing his side of the story, is a complete tool. -

There has been no evidence except Zoni's dissapearance; Have a heart for God's sake maan!

I too think he's gone to the UK for protection; COming after the PCB were praised by the ICC for the effort on corruption, I think this isn't isolated to the Danish/Kamran?shoaib exclusions....