The Zulqarnain Haider Story

[the Great Khan]

Does this include you?

Seriously, get off your high horse and learn how to handle an opposing view in a discussion. Do not go around making pointless and insulting generalisations that have no relation to the topic under discussion whatsoever.

If you feel so strongly about the low achievements of UK Pakistanis, by all means go ahead and start the thread in timepass and you can vent your anger/frustartion and hopefully in the end for some suggestions on how to improve things.



With how things are folding right now, it seems to me he devised a plan to use the current predicament of Pakistan cricket to his advantage and trying to make a fast buck as his career was all but over after this series. Thats what sickening and galling for me.

oh please enough of your blatherings..im tired of people on here accusing someone like Zoni for no reason and basically gossiping..its depressing and sickening that instead of supporting his actions and giving him the benefit of doubt we are practically calling him a traitor..escewed morals if you ask me!!

i only see one dominant view here..denial!! the constant whining and crying of childish fans who are wailing like women at a funeral!

its not about being on ones high horse...its about calling out people who constantly talk out of their behinds!!

so my advice to you and your ilk is to give Zoni a break, stop whining about bannings and your baizati etc, and talk about what the solution to these issues are..i have presented some maybe you and your cheerleaders and those in the same frame of mind can think of something too? other than slitting your wrists!!..

Pakistanis will never change...gutter main damagh saaf kubhi nahi hota!!

 

[Big Harvey]

What made Zulqarnain Haider stage the Dubai drama? My feelings tell me that it is all an act to get Assylum the UK for himself and his family. As everyone can see even though he is very gritty the talent just was not there and this would have been his last series as his weakness would have been exposed.

My message Zulqarnain Haider If you ever get around to read this: I am a british citizen and have been living in the UK for many years with my family, i would have very happily swapped with you. Playing for Pakistan and the honour to represent your country should have been more important than a Red British Passport. Many may believe you and i also believe that corruption is high in the Pakistan team but i do not buy your story it smells of RAT.

I don't think we've got enough evidence to say for definite that this is all staged, but for me his story simply doesn't add up.

If your life is under threat from international criminal gangs and you decide to flee from them, do you trumpet to the media exactly where you're going before you've even got there? International criminal gangs operate internationally. That means if he's telling the truth that his life is no safer in the UK than it is in Pakistan or just about anywhere else in the world.

The procedure for reporting approaches like this to the ICC is perfectly clear, and nobody in world cricket will be more familiar with what they're supposed to do in terms of reporting than Pakistan players. He has (most likely without realising the implications of what he was saying) admitted that he was told what to do before the match in question. Yet it appears that he failed to report this!

Assuming he didn't report this approach (and if he had, I suspect we'd have known about it by now), why didn't he? I'm sure the ICC and the local police would have offered him better security than anything he's likely to find in the UK. They would also have been able to launch an investigation, and he would still probably have a lucrative international career ahead of him.

 

[ShehryarK]

Excellent post Harvey.

I'm sure the ICC and the local police would have offered him better security than anything he's likely to find in the UK.

Precisely.

As pointed out by most sensible people in this and other threads, Dubai and the UAE is far safer in these matters than Pakistan or the UK. Yet, he leaves the safe UAE, deserts his family leaving them in the lurch in unsafe Pakistan and moves himself to the unsafe UK?

Bizarre.

 

[Poison]

I don't think we've got enough evidence to say for definite that this is all staged, but for me his story simply doesn't add up.

If your life is under threat from international criminal gangs and you decide to flee from them, do you trumpet to the media exactly where you're going before you've even got there? International criminal gangs operate internationally. That means if he's telling the truth that his life is no safer in the UK than it is in Pakistan or just about anywhere else in the world.

The procedure for reporting approaches like this to the ICC is perfectly clear, and nobody in world cricket will be more familiar with what they're supposed to do in terms of reporting than Pakistan players. He has (most likely without realising the implications of what he was saying) admitted that he was told what to do before the match in question. Yet it appears that he failed to report this!

Assuming he didn't report this approach (and if he had, I suspect we'd have known about it by now), why didn't he? I'm sure the ICC and the local police would have offered him better security than anything he's likely to find in the UK. They would also have been able to launch an investigation, and he would still probably have a lucrative international career ahead of him.

It would have made a lot more sense if he went back to Pakistan to keep his family safe. It makes zero sense going to England. What's in England??

 

[Waq]

I don't think we've got enough evidence to say for definite that this is all staged, but for me his story simply doesn't add up.

If your life is under threat from international criminal gangs and you decide to flee from them, do you trumpet to the media exactly where you're going before you've even got there? International criminal gangs operate internationally. That means if he's telling the truth that his life is no safer in the UK than it is in Pakistan or just about anywhere else in the world.

The procedure for reporting approaches like this to the ICC is perfectly clear, and nobody in world cricket will be more familiar with what they're supposed to do in terms of reporting than Pakistan players. He has (most likely without realising the implications of what he was saying) admitted that he was told what to do before the match in question. Yet it appears that he failed to report this!

Assuming he didn't report this approach (and if he had, I suspect we'd have known about it by now), why didn't he? I'm sure the ICC and the local police would have offered him better security than anything he's likely to find in the UK. They would also have been able to launch an investigation, and he would still probably have a lucrative international career ahead of him.

I beg to differ.

First and foremost, Pakistani players do not understand governance like English players. No doubt, a Collingwood or Anderson would go to the relevant authorities when faced with a similar situation. It is fair to say that not only are our players less educated but we have a much less undersstanding of authorities. it probably was not obvious to Zulqarnain to go the ICC and probably believes conspiracy theories that the ICC are against Pakistan.


With regards to going to the media not making any sense. I feel it makes complete sense! These bookmakers are apparently Indian gangsters who are notoriously powerful. If I was ina similar situation, how would I know if a mamber of the PCB or ICC is not involved. When faced with a threat of harm for myself or family, my thoughts would be similar to Zulqarnains. go to the media so that he cannot be silenced or a cover up cannot easily be done. the extra exposure would make the bookmakers think twice of carrying out any attacks.

Zuqarnain's lfe is probably safer in the UK. Indian gangsters have a huge influence in India, Dubai, UAE and dare I say Pakistan - a la Miandad's family connections.

Many Pakistanis believe that the UK justice system is one of the best in the world. My father certainly does.

 

[MRSN]

Excellent post Harvey.



Precisely.

As pointed out by most sensible people in this and other threads, Dubai and the UAE is far safer in these matters than Pakistan or the UK. Yet, he leaves the safe UAE, deserts his family leaving them in the lurch in unsafe Pakistan and moves himself to the unsafe UK?

Bizarre.

+1
Which MQM leader was shot dead in UK?

 

[Waq]

+1
Which MQM leader was shot dead in UK?

UK is not crime free. It is likely to have less of an influence by the gangsters / illegals bookmakers though.

No need to bring in an unrelated incident to sensationalise a point.

 

[Maula Jutt]

UK is not crime free. It is likely to have less of an influence by the gangsters / illegals bookmakers though.

No need to bring in an unrelated incident to sensationalise a point.

I disagree.

The whole matchfixing lid was blown off in England where, the way Majeed went about fixing matches, I would not say it is a difficult place for bookmakers to show influence.

 

[the Great Khan]

Actually he will be perfectly safe here in the uk..he is now a high profile individual and the authorities will be taking note..the UK has the best investigative authorities in the world..and there ae laws to protect him. In the UAE he is just another mazdoor with zero rights..he did the right thing...justice can only be provided by the just!!

 

[the Great Khan]

+1
Which MQM leader was shot dead in UK?

which member of hamas was killed in the uae?

zoni has a green passport..it has no value whatsoever in the uae!!

 

[Indiafan]

He has let the "bookies off", if there were any, good sir. Instead of lettting authorities know in secrecy who's contacting him or what's happening, he has opened his mouth to the media.

Do you really think the bookie that msged him or whoever is msging him will sit around now? They will scramble away and change their numbers, addresses/names.

I think his main priority was saving himself and his family rather than getting the bookies caught. Even if one bookie was caught, it wouldnt make much of a difference

 

[Eagle_Eye]

oh please enough of your blatherings..im tired of people on here accusing someone like Zoni for no reason and basically gossiping..its depressing and sickening that instead of supporting his actions and giving him the benefit of doubt we are practically calling him a traitor..escewed morals if you ask me!!

i only see one dominant view here..denial!! the constant whining and crying of childish fans who are wailing like women at a funeral!

its not about being on ones high horse...its about calling out people who constantly talk out of their behinds!!

so my advice to you and your ilk is to give Zoni a break, stop whining about bannings and your baizati etc, and talk about what the solution to these issues are..i have presented some maybe you and your cheerleaders and those in the same frame of mind can think of something too? other than slitting your wrists!!..

Pakistanis will never change...gutter main damagh saaf kubhi nahi hota!!

Get a grip over yourself before your blood pressure gets the better off you.

Have a cold drink.... compose your thoughts and then trying writing the post again.

 

[Waq]

I disagree.

The whole matchfixing lid was blown off in England where, the way Majeed went about fixing matches, I would not say it is a difficult place for bookmakers to show influence.

It is alleged that Majeed is a spot fixer or a possible match fixer. There is nothing to suggest that he can physcially harm any players or put their lives in danger.

Zulqarnain is complaining about the safety of himself and his family. This issue is currently unrelated to Mazhar Majeed.

There is nothing suggesting the UK tour involved physical threats. That tour only suggests greed of some our players.

 

[Maula Jutt]

It is alleged that Majeed is a spot fixer or a possible match fixer. There is nothing to suggest that he can physcially harm any players or put their lives in danger.

Zulqarnain is complaining about the safety of himself and his family. This issue is currently unrelated to Mazhar Majeed.

There is nothing suggesting the UK tour involved physical threats. That tour only suggests greed of some our players.

Wrong. They are very well connected because both deal with the same issue: match/spotfixing in Pakistan cricket.

 

[Waq]

Wrong. They are very well connected because both deal with the same issue: match/spotfixing in Pakistan cricket.

Sorry wrong do what point exactly?!

I said that Zulqarnain is more safe in the UK then other countries and you mentioned Mazhar Majeed.

Mazhar Majeed has not been linked to any violence or being a gangter.

In terms of connection match fixing and spot fixing then 'yes' but that is not the point we are debating!

Please do not argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I disagree.

The whole matchfixing lid was blown off in England where, the way Majeed went about fixing matches, I would not say it is a difficult place for bookmakers to show influence.

Indeed.

Haider chose Eng because he has friends here. He has played cricket in local asian leagues so he can make a living out of cricket here. Most of all, the tabloids in UK will be receptive to his story!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Sorry wrong do what point exactly?!

I said that Zulqarnain is more safe in the UK then other countries and you mentioned Mazhar Majeed.

Mazhar Majeed has not been linked to any violence or being a gangter.

In terms of connection match fixing and spot fixing then 'yes' but that is not the point we are debating!

Please do not argue for the sake of arguing.

What happened to Chairman of Majeed's Football club, I wonder?

 

[Waq]

Indeed.

Haider chose Eng because he has friends here. He has played cricket in local asian leagues so he can make a living out of cricket here. Most of all, the tabloids in UK will be receptive to his story!

And you do it again!!! More assumptions and no facts.

We can make up lots of potential theories on why Zulqarnain has done what he has done but that is a bit sad and pointless.

The only fact is the one that has come from Zulqarnain Haider where he states that he and hsi family have been physically threatened for him not participating in match fixing.

Going back to your tabloid post, surely playing for Pakistan is more appealing then playing for a local UK side!!

 

[gameovais]

I am starting to hate those people who are criticising this man for doing what is right (not selling himself in this situation).

What Zulqarnain on the surface says seems to suggest he is honest and what's safety, his life is more valuable than sport.

Take a bow Zulqarnain, true supporters of Pakistan and Pakistanis who love their country are proud of you, so proud.

Just look at the joy on his face after the 4th ODI win and then compare it to the trembling voice in that Geo interview. I would take 11 untalented loyal and honest players like him over the talented liars like Asif and Aamir anyday.

Long live our beloved country and long may we see loyal players like him.

 

[ShehryarK]

Zuqarnain's lfe is probably safer in the UK. Indian gangsters have a huge influence in India, Dubai, UAE and dare I say Pakistan

With respect, I believe you are wrong. Crime in the UAE, in particular violent crime, whether caused by Indians gangsters or those of other persuasions, is mercifully minuscule compared to the UK, let alone Pakistan, Alhamdolillah.

There are many things that make this a great pace to live, but really - the security and the lack of crime relative to London and compared to most of the Western world is one of the big ones.

 

[Waq]

What happened to Chairman of Majeed's Football club, I wonder?

Not again!!

Don't talk riddles, get to the point.

How has Mazhar got anything to do with Zulqarnain. Mazhar may be an alleged scumb bag but he has at this stage got nothing to do with the Zulqarnain saga.

Why not bring in Jack the ripper too? He is based in the UK. He may not have any links to cricket but he can kill people.....

 

[Waq]

With respect, I believe you are wrong. Crime in the UAE, in particular violent crime, whether caused by Indians gangsters or those of other persuasions, is mercifully minuscule compared to the UK, let alone Pakistan, Alhamdolillah.

There are many things that make this a great pace to live, but really - the security and the lack of crime relative to London and compared to most of the Western world is one of the big ones.

I agree in essence with your points regarding the UK.

The fact is that the Indian bookmakers / gangsters are known to be in hiding/ living in Dubai / UAE. It is well known around the world. I am talking about Dawood Ibrahim and similar figures.

There is nothing to suggest these people have a great influence in the UK and nothing to suggest that they authorised any hits in the UK.

The UK is logically the best place to go if the threat was received from there. Pakistan verus UK - no comparison.

 

[Maula Jutt]

Sorry wrong do what point exactly?!

I said that Zulqarnain is more safe in the UK then other countries and you mentioned Mazhar Majeed.

Mazhar Majeed has not been linked to any violence or being a gangter.

In terms of connection match fixing and spot fixing then 'yes' but that is not the point we are debating!

Please do not argue for the sake of arguing.

Mazhar Majeed's case points clearly to the fact that illegal bookies have a presence in UK. And when they are illegal, they are criminal. How hard is it to make the connection?

I can see that you are finding it hard to entertain the notion that Zoni just might not be the hero everyone thinks he is. That can happen because it is becoming very hard to find heroes in our country nowadays, especially cricket where, just recently, fans were disillusioned by the three stooges. Not to mention, our hatred for PCB, Ijaz Butt and Zardari doesn't let many of us accept that not all who are standing up to these goons are our saviors.

So I feel it is pointless to argue this beyond a certain point at the moment as a natural mental block appears out of nowhere at this point in most fans' minds where they let emotions take over. I can understand it as I went through pretty much the same quite recently in Amir's case.

So I will shut up for now and enjoy the banter that is going on, and would love to see the reactions of the same people in a few days' time )

 

[786warrior]

If zoni wanted riches and an extended run in the Pak team then maybe he would have agreed to sell his country out like kamran and co.

Even if it is his ploy, what riches and future is he going to make signing on the dole in the UK?

 

[shaykh1985]

I dont think Zoni is being devious or strategic on how he has handled this situation...but that opinion may very qwell change when more info comes out...

He may very well have 'presumed' England was safer than Dubai...as to whether it is or isnt isnt that relevant...its possible Zoni felt England was the safer option for himself and his family...from my understanding I would presume the Emirates to be safer but Zoni may have presumed differently...

Also to those in the Emirates how easy is to stay there on a Pakistan passport?...Personally I feel I would have done things differently but thats me looking from a rational viewpoint and not actually facing the situation...nothing from what Zoni is doing or saying sounds particularly rational and that isnt a criticism...

There are a lot of things that dont make much sense but im putting that down to irrationality so far...

I am sure more will come out about this situation and its not right to pass judgement in full till all the information has come out...

If it was a simple death threat then hes overreacting as I can imagine all the players and celebrities in general face such things but if he knew the specifics and it was evident that the threat was credible then hes well within his rights to react even if he hasnt in the best manner...

 

[UntouchablePlaya]

for the sake of better future of Pakistan Cricket he did the right job. we are with zoni from the womb to the tomb.

Hell-yeah support him!

 

[shaykh1985]

With respect, I believe you are wrong. Crime in the UAE, in particular violent crime, whether caused by Indians gangsters or those of other persuasions, is mercifully minuscule compared to the UK, let alone Pakistan, Alhamdolillah.

There are many things that make this a great pace to live, but really - the security and the lack of crime relative to London and compared to most of the Western world is one of the big ones.

My understanding was one of the reasons Dubai is such a haven for gangsters is because they are allowed by the UAE to function providing they dont do their ACTUAL business in the UAE...is that a fair enough assessment?...

 

[The_Real_Deal]

Basim,

Iv been reading your posts here and on the other threads and to be frank your posts a full of sh**.

They exhibit nothing but personal opinion backed by absolutely tosh.

You have no idea the reasons behind his quick departure, nor do u have any facts about any reasoning behind your poor posts.

Please refrain from making crappy judgments on this poor lad.

P.S You say Pakistan is a safe country and why he didn't travel there first? Are you right in the head?

 

[GOAT]

He would've been much safer in the UAE. If they can kill an MQM in the streets of London, what hope would Zoni have?

The point was raised about the Hamas man who died. Fair enough, but he was killed by one of the best intelligence agencies in the world. Thugs.. Mossad..thugs.. mossad.. don't think Zoni's gotta worry about Mossad.

Read the most recent cricinfo article. Pretty lame to be honest, he's coming off as a naive, scared little brat. His story makes very little sense, how can he keep his family safe in Pakistan when he's in London? Some are arguing the media attention, he's only giving statements to Geo, and guess where they're based? Pakistan.

And his "retirement"? Who the hell does he think he is? You've played 4 ODI's, a T20, and a sole Test. Slow your roll champ. People here are in for a rude awakening, he is no Rashid Latif. Latif is a smart man, Zoni is not.

"The fourth ODI, the things I was told to do I didn't, and the fifth ODI, what they wanted done I didn't do," Haider said.

Really? Should've told the ICC's Anti Corruption unit. No authorities in England can do anything about a match in Dubai. Either he is incredibly inept and has the brain of a 10 year old, or he's hiding something. The way he handled the situation goes beyond 'bad'. He ran away thousands of miles ffs.

I have a strange feeling though, that these kind of threats [if real] happen all the time to players. And I don't think they're taken very seriously by most. But thats purely based on my gut and no factual evidence.

 

[Waq]

Mazhar Majeed's case points clearly to the fact that illegal bookies have a presence in UK. And when they are illegal, they are criminal. How hard is it to make the connection?

I can see that you are finding it hard to entertain the notion that Zoni just might not be the hero everyone thinks he is. That can happen because it is becoming very hard to find heroes in our country nowadays, especially cricket where, just recently, fans were disillusioned by the three stooges. Not to mention, our hatred for PCB, Ijaz Butt and Zardari doesn't let many of us accept that not all who are standing up to these goons are our saviors.

So I feel it is pointless to argue this beyond a certain point at the moment as a natural mental block appears out of nowhere at this point in most fans' minds where they let emotions take over. I can understand it as I went through pretty much the same quite recently in Amir's case.

So I will shut up for now and enjoy the banter that is going on, and would love to see the reactions of the same people in a few days' time )

Can you stop sensationalising and making things up?

When have I said that I see Zulqarnain as a hero?

With regards to Mazhar Majeed, can I be any more clear? Zuqarnain states that he has come to the UK as he is in fear of his life and his families.

I shall make my point again - What has this got to do with Mazhar Majeed? He may be a spot fixer / match fixer but there are apparently many out there. The latest saga involves a series in the middle east.

What reactions in a few days are you alluding to?

I have done nothing but stick to the facts. You should try it and not get over excited.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am starting to hate those people who are criticising this man for doing what is right (not selling himself in this situation).

What Zulqarnain on the surface says seems to suggest he is honest and what's safety, his life is more valuable than sport.

Take a bow Zulqarnain, true supporters of Pakistan and Pakistanis who love their country are proud of you, so proud.

Just look at the joy on his face after the 4th ODI win and then compare it to the trembling voice in that Geo interview. I would take 11 untalented loyal and honest players like him over the talented liars like Asif and Aamir anyday.

Long live our beloved country and long may we see loyal players like him.

The country or the national cricket team won't live very long if every cricketer runs to the UK and applies for asylum.

 

[MRSN]

His brother has changed his statement in the media,says he was unhappy with the fine he got for reaching late.

 

[pakcricketfan]

Okay so here's another story. According to ARY News, NOTW might be behind the threats that Zulqarnain received.

 

[ShehryarK]

I have a strange feeling though, that these kind of threats [if real] happen all the time to players. And I don't think they're taken very seriously by most. But thats purely based on my gut and no factual evidence.

That's what Basit Ali said too.

 

[the Great Khan]

Get a grip over yourself before your blood pressure gets the better off you.

Have a cold drink.... compose your thoughts and then trying writing the post again.

and you call me self righteous..

pathetic!!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Okay so here's another story. According to ARY News, NOTW might be behind the threats that Zulqarnain received.

seriously?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Okay so here's another story. According to ARY News, NOTW might be behind the threats that Zulqarnain received.

Since NOTW sell their papers on the back of running scare stories about asylum seekers receiving benefits ahead of British nationals I'd say that's unlikely.

 

[Waq]

His brother has changed his statement in the media,says he was unhappy with the fine he got for reaching late.

Seems extremely drastic and I shall take it with a pinch of salt until Zulqarnain gives confirmation himself.

Relatives love being in the limelight with the media including siblings. I would hate the day I was known for something notorious. My brother would have a field day!

The above just does not seem plausible or likely.

 

[PakistanPaindabad]

You cant just take a random strangers word and run away like that! theres more to the story than Zulqarnain is telling us.

someone just walks up to him in a street after dinner, tells him fix a match or there will be consequences and he runs away?! really?!

Maybe he thought in England he would have a more secure line of work than with the Pakistan cricket team where he would be dropped soon (he was sent late in the batting order, confirming that the team didnt have much confidence in his batting ability)

 

[the Great Khan]

angels and minsiters of grace defend us..

this whole episode is bringing out the worst in paksitanis..now here are the facts:

zoni refuses to fix a match,
gets threatened unless he comes into line,
family gets threatened,
feels he is in danger for refusing to sellout his country
flees to the uk a relatively safe country that has a history of taking in asylum seekers and those under threat
paksitani fans villify him for the above--hain jee??

 

[Maula Jutt]

Can you stop sensationalising and making things up?

When have I said that I see Zulqarnain as a hero?

With regards to Mazhar Majeed, can I be any more clear? Zuqarnain states that he has come to the UK as he is in fear of his life and his families.

I shall make my point again - What has this got to do with Mazhar Majeed? He may be a spot fixer / match fixer but there are apparently many out there. The latest saga involves a series in the middle east.

What reactions in a few days are you alluding to?

I have done nothing but stick to the facts. You should try it and not get over excited.

Everything is 'sensationalizing' to you.

If you do not agree there is a connection between Mazhar Majeed and this case, it is clearly your problem, not other people's. Btw, seems like those who can see the connection between the two include SY as well. According to Geo, they are currently in a meeting with Zulqernain about this issue in connection with their already open investigation on spot fixing. Majeed is the center of that investigation, btw.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

the[/B] Great Khan;3135464]and you call me self righteous..

pathetic!!

Self righteousness... well lets see ...

Aside from your rants.... who has "the" in his username? ....

 

[the Great Khan]

You cant just take a random strangers word and run away like that! theres more to the story than Zulqarnain is telling us.

someone just walks up to him in a street after dinner, tells him fix a match or there will be consequences and he runs away?! really?!

Maybe he thought in England he would have a more secure line of work than with the Pakistan cricket team where he would be dropped soon (he was sent late in the batting order, confirming that the team didnt have much confidence in his batting ability)

maybe you shoulds top watching too many drama's and movies...until anyone hears otehrwise, zoni is a man of integrity who has stood up for himself and his country...

it seems pakistanis have forgotten what honesty really looks like..no wonder Imran doesnt get any votes!!

until I hear otherwise Zoni is a man of integrity and very brave!

 

[the Great Khan]

Self righteousness... well lets see ...

Aside from your rants.... who has "the" in his username? ....

oh grow up, its just a username...and theyre only rants to the likes of you because you cant recognise the crap coming out of your own mouth!

 

[Waq]

angels and minsiters of grace defend us..

this whole episode is bringing out the worst in paksitanis..now here are the facts:

zoni refuses to fix a match,
gets threatened unless he comes into line,
family gets threatened,
feels he is in danger for refusing to sellout his country
flees to the uk a relatively safe country that has a history of taking in asylum seekers and those under threat
paksitani fans villify him for the above--hain jee??

I back you 100% brother!!

There is a conspiracy theory created by a moderator. I think many posters should consider using its services rather then posting on this thread.

 

[Maula Jutt]

Another update: Zulqernain's dad does not agree with what Zoni has done. He told Geo just now that he has asked Zoni to come back to UAE and face the halaat.

 

[the Great Khan]

Another update: Zulqernain's dad does not agree with what Zoni has done. He told Geo just now that he has asked Zoni to come back to UAE and face the halaat.

i think he'll be back and will probably talk to the dubai police, ICC and the chairman..

if i were him I would talk to chairman sahib...unlike other people I dont think Butt is involved with match fixing..I think the poor guy is just terrified and one of his mates probably said "idhar aaja yaar kuch nahi hota..etc etc" remember he is only a young lad and he must be scared too!

 

[Eagle_Eye]

angels and minsiters of grace defend us..

this whole episode is bringing out the worst in paksitanis..now here are the facts:

zoni refuses to fix a match,
gets threatened unless he comes into line,
family gets threatened,
feels he is in danger for refusing to sellout his country
flees to the uk a relatively safe country that has a history of taking in asylum seekers and those under threat
paksitani fans villify him for the above--hain jee??

once again.... take a pause, deep breath and preferably have a cold drink and then start to compose your thoughts..

Zoni refuses to provide evidence of his alleged threat which was apparently a text.... so until he does that lets just put it in the "alleged" pile.

His family recieved no threat directly in Pakistan. They were in the dark about his disappearance just as much as everyone else. They may have changed their tune from yesterday to suite Haider's account now. I am not sure.

Seriously... your way over emotional, you dont happen to know him personally do you?

 

[the Great Khan]

I back you 100% brother!!

There is a conspiracy theory created by a moderator. I think many posters should consider using its services rather then posting on this thread.

Indeed...too many theories and "au mujay putta hay yaar main bata hoan"...newsflash nobodies knows anything except Zoni! and his close relatives and or friends! so speculating on his integrity is just cheap!

 

[Waq]

Everything is 'sensationalizing' to you.

If you do not agree there is a connection between Mazhar Majeed and this case, it is clearly your problem, not other people's. Btw, seems like those who can see the connection between the two include SY as well. According to Geo, they are currently in a meeting with Zulqernain about this issue in connection with their already open investigation on spot fixing. Majeed is the center of that investigation, btw.

I think you are now confusing yourself.

Mazhar Majeed is involved in a spot fixing investigation. The UK authorities may well try and find a link between this and the Zulqarnain saga. I am not disputing any of this and you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

My point, which is clear as mud is what connection does Mazhar Majeed have with the physical threats made towards Zulqarnain whilst out in the middle east.

This is what I call sensationalising and perhaps you should consider putting your point in the conspiracy theory thread where it currently belongs.

I am waiting for a poster to create an image of Mazhar majeed with a 9mm hand gun.

 

[the Great Khan]

once again.... take a pause, deep breath and preferably have a cold drink and then start to compose your thoughts..

Zoni refuses to provide evidence of his alleged threat which was apparently a text.... so until he does that lets just put it in the "alleged" pile.

His family recieved no threat directly in Pakistan. They were in the dark about his disappearance just as much as everyone else. They may have changed their tune from yesterday to suite Haider's account now. I am not sure.

Seriously... your way over emotional, you dont happen to know him personally do you?

yet you have assumed that he is in it for the passport? no i dont know him personally but i am incensed at certain people assuming things without knowing anymore than the rest of us..why dont you heed your own advice, take a deep breath and wait and see??

 

[786warrior]

Gentlemen and ladies (there maybe some), we are all expressing our opinions, views and musings - please lets not degenerate and turn against each other - we're here to voice personal opinions and we may disagree strongly with one another but come on lets not take it out on each other

 

[Maula Jutt]

Zoni's brother is saying that Zoni is playing in someone's hands.

I actually feel sorry for him now. He is not very bright it seems and is being taken advantage of by some nefarious people.

 

[Maula Jutt]

I think you are now confusing yourself.

Mazhar Majeed is involved in a spot fixing investigation. the UK authorities may well try and find a link between this and the Zulqarnain saga. I am not dispiting any of this and you ar ejust arguing for the sake of arguing.

My point, which is clear as mud is what connection does Mazhar Majeed have with the physical threats made towards Zulqarnain whilst out in the middle east.

This is what I call sensationalising and perhaps you should consider putting your point in the conspiracy theory thread where it currently belongs.

I am waiting for a poster to create an image of Mazhar majeed with a 9mm hand gun.

Tsk tsk. This is how you'll argue now?

 

[PakistanPaindabad]

maybe you shoulds top watching too many drama's and movies...until anyone hears otehrwise, zoni is a man of integrity who has stood up for himself and his country...

it seems pakistanis have forgotten what honesty really looks like..no wonder Imran doesnt get any votes!!

until I hear otherwise Zoni is a man of integrity and very brave!

whats this got to do with me watching (or not watching) dramas and movies?

 

[MRSN]

Breaking News

And Now his family says he will fly back to Dubai

He was playing in someones hands.

I wasn't wrong ,was I>?

 

[Waq]

There seems to be many news reports involving Zulqarnain's family including his brother and father.

Please bear in mind, this is all happening for real in fast time. I suspect that Zulqarnain may not even had a proper chance to communicate with his family or the family members may have be misquoted or told of wrong facts. The media are generally vultures.

I cannot accept that all this fuss is only about Zulqarnain being fined for being ten minutes late for work!

Regarding the text message - it is stated that Zulqarnain was also approached in person.

 

[FM87]

Th life of our great cricketer is in danger and now only the British government can save his life. Thereby, I humbly request the British government to take important measures immediatley in order to portect the life of our hero, just as you give protection our corrupt politicians and military dictators.

Please provide our great cricketer 3 well-equipped and well-trained body guards, bring his family to the UK as soon as possible, provide them a beautiful house to live in and also give them British passports immediately and last but not least, a handsome monthly wazeefa for our national hero.

Truly yours
a would-be pakistani assylum seeker

 

[ShehryarK]

How can it be about the fine? That seems silly.

The fine was AED 500.

A ticket to London bought in haste would cost many, many times that amount!

And that's before one considers the long term implications on his career and future employment prospects (or lack thereof).

 

[Maula Jutt]

How can it be about the fine? That seems silly.

The fine was AED 500.

A ticket to London bought in haste would cost many, many times that amount!

And that's before one considers the long term implications on his career and future employment prospects (or lack thereof).

His brother said he was upset after being fined. It wasn't the monetary aspect. It was the getting insulted part.

 

[Waq]

His brother said he was upset after being fined. It wasn't the monetary aspect. It was the getting insulted part.

The brother's brother, Zulqarnain - he has said something else and is infact the actual individual concerned and the complainant.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think you are now confusing yourself.

Mazhar Majeed is involved in a spot fixing investigation. The UK authorities may well try and find a link between this and the Zulqarnain saga. I am not disputing any of this and you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

My point, which is clear as mud is what connection does Mazhar Majeed have with the physical threats made towards Zulqarnain whilst out in the middle east.

This is what I call sensationalising and perhaps you should consider putting your point in the conspiracy theory thread where it currently belongs.

I am waiting for a poster to create an image of Mazhar majeed with a 9mm hand gun.

I am not sure why you are getting so wound up about Maula Jutt's viewpoint, he seems to have made his points pretty well and clearly, far more clearly than Zoni in any case. The fact is, no one knows for sure what is going on other than Zoni, the rest of us are speculating at this point in time.

 

[GOAT]

His brother said he was upset after being fined. It wasn't the monetary aspect. It was the getting insulted part.

Should've updated his facebook status about that instead of going to London

"Zulqurnain Haider - wts on my mnd?! stoopid inti hve give me fine, all b/c i bring biryani l8, inti bd mn.. !! "

Naturally, Umar Gul would like this.

 

[Maula Jutt]

The brother's brother, Zulqarnain - he has said something else and is infact the actual individual concerned and the complainant.

I would trust his family to know him better than you and I. And also be more concerned about him than you and I. And they are not taking him seriously. His brother is saying Zoni seems to be playing in someone's hands; his wife rejected the idea that they'll move to UK; his dad has told him to get back to UAE.

 

[Waq]

I am not sure why you are getting so wound up about Maula Jutt's viewpoint, he seems to have made his points pretty well and clearly, far more clearly than Zoni in any case. The fact is, no one knows for sure what is going on other than Zoni, the rest of us are speculating at this point in time.

Who pulled your chain!

I am not wound up. Yes we are all speculating, and my point is perfectly clear. If you want to clarify any of my posts then feel free to ask.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Things move quick and fast in this thread especially when you have a good correspondent like Maula Jutt

Let me be the first to offer some humble pies to Waq and "the" Great Khan

 

[Maula Jutt]

i think he'll be back and will probably talk to the dubai police, ICC and the chairman..

if i were him I would talk to chairman sahib...unlike other people I dont think Butt is involved with match fixing..I think the poor guy is just terrified and one of his mates probably said "idhar aaja yaar kuch nahi hota..etc etc" remember he is only a young lad and he must be scared too!

True. He should let Ijaz Butt know and he also needs to inform ICC of the details.

 

[Maula Jutt]

Now Zoni has changed his statement after getting an earful from his dad. Very Ijaz Butt-esque.

He is now saying that he'll stay in UK but will not go for political asylum.

And just this morning, he himself told Geo on phone that he has applied for asylum. )

 

[MRSN]

Her wife says

uska jeena aur marna Pakistan ke liye hai " she wont travel to Eng.Feels herself safe in Pakistan.

but You Zoni are Retard

 

[Maula Jutt]

"Pakistan ke liye cricket khelna chahta hoon lekin retirement pe qaim hun."

:S

 

[FM87]

wesey, only in a country like Pakistan a 25 year old adult male, who has been visiting Uk for the last 10 years and is well aware of their laws just like any other assylum seeker from Gujarat, can be called a "bacha".

 

[Eagle_Eye]

His wife seem more brave than Zoni!!

Well done to his dad too...


Hopefully the matter will be wrapped soon before other vultures try to entice Zoni for better tomorrow but infact will be nothing other than an opportunity to have another dig at Pakistan

 

[FM87]

Her wife says

uska jeena aur marna Pakistan ke liye hai " she wont travel to Eng.Feels herself safe in Pakistan.

but You Zoni are Retard

Yes, I heard his interview here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XxzF-bo6iE&feature=player_embedded) and he comes over as a quite immature person.

wesey, I would have never left my family (wife and a kid) alone back homw if I was sure that their lives were in danger, no matter what might have happened to me. Only a retard would do that.

 

[Maula Jutt]

I see this thread has been demoted. Zoni ki value yahan bhi down.

 

[ShehryarK]

I see this thread has been demoted. Zoni ki value yahan bhi down.

LOL! There are three Zoni threads running, enough for one attention-seeker.


Plus we had our exclusive Adnan Akmal article :kami :umarakmal

 

[MaVeRiCk]

I do beleive he was threatened and approached but i also get the inclination that he is making the most of it and quickly used this as an excuse to escape to the UK under the pretext of "threats".

The ICC gave the team an hour and half lecture during their time in dubai and also stated that they should feel free to talk to them at any time if not them then atleast to the PCB, none of which has been done.

 

[gangstathe13th]

Good job guys! Keep wasting your time

 

[hasan316]

Well no one is safe in Pakistan. Pakistan has a jungle rule. You can pay money to get anyone killed or get your work done. There is no law there except money. I wish his family is sent to UK too so they can live safely and then he can take names of those people who are involved. Would you risk your family lives in you were in his place people??? Think 10 times that they are in Pakistan and what all can happen there.

 

[LegendsXI]

can you stop sensationalising and making things up?

when have i said that i see zulqarnain as a hero?

With regards to mazhar majeed, can i be any more clear? Zuqarnain states that he has come to the uk as he is in fear of his life and his families.

I shall make my point again - what has this got to do with mazhar majeed? He may be a spot fixer / match fixer but there are apparently many out there. The latest saga involves a series in the middle east.

What reactions in a few days are you alluding to?

i have done nothing but stick to the facts. You should try it and not get over excited.

+1.

 

[Shoaib356]

it is getting boring now, zoni either talk or shut up...................