Three dead, dozens injured in violent clash during Mosque survey in Uttar Pradesh

[Cricket Warrior]

A clash during a mosque survey in Uttar Pradesh's Sambhal led to three deaths, injuries to officials, and stone-pelting by a mob, prompting a magisterial inquiry.

Three people were killed and around two dozen others, including policemen and senior officials, were injured in a clash that broke out during a survey of a mosque in Uttar Pradesh's Sambhal district on Sunday morning, officials said.

The stone-pelting incident occurred when a team arrived at the Shahi Jama Masjid to conduct a fresh survey of the mosque. Locals allegedly pelted stones at security personnel and attacked the police force. The police used tear gas to control the situation.

Officials said that four senior police officers, around 20 policemen, and a deputy collector were seriously injured as the mob pelted stones at the security force. A police Public Relations Officer (PRO) also sustained a bullet injury to his leg during the incident.

Three dead, dozens injured in violent clash during Mosque survey in Uttar Pradesh

A clash during a mosque survey in Uttar Pradesh's Sambhal led to three deaths, injuries to officials, and stone-pelting by a mob, prompting a magisterial inquiry.

www.dnaindia.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

Sambhal: Case against Samajwadi MP after deadly clashes over mosque survey​

Schools are shut, mobile internet has been suspended and large gatherings are banned in Uttar Pradesh's Sambhal, a day after hundreds protesting against a court-ordered survey of a mosque clashed with the police, resulting in the deaths of four people and several, including cops, being injured.

A case has been registered against Samajwadi Party leader Sambhal MP Ziaur Rahman Barq and Sohail Iqbal, the son of a local MLA Iqbal Mehmood, who is also from Akhilesh Yadav's party. They have been accused of orchestrating violence, mobilising crowds, and provoking unrest, officials said.

Sambhal: Case against Samajwadi MP after deadly clashes over mosque survey

Sambhal Violence: Opposition parties blamed the BJP for inciting violence through a mosque survey, while the BJP accused the INDIA alliance of fomenting unrest since the Lok Sabha poll failure.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[gani999]

It was a survey of a historic mosque by the Archaeological Survey of India. They do it all the time to all historic structures to check whether any repairs etc are required for their preservation. Looks like the Samajwadi id*ot just spread some rumours to spread mischief, and the people worked up.

Happens all the time in places like UP and Bihar.

 

[Kroll]

Peaceful community of Bharat.

The Muslims are out of control in Bharat and the only way to deal with them is through brute force by the government. There is no other way to ever get things done.

 

[FearlessRoar]

AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi seeks investigation into Sambhal mosque clash​

AIMIM president Asaduddin Owaisi on Sunday demanded an impartial investigation into the violent clash at Sambhal, Uttar Pradesh and action against accused officers. He condemned the action of UP police on protestors in Sambhal where three individuals died when the court-ordered survey team reached the Jama Masjid amid the claims that the mosque was built on the temple site.

“How many people’s blood do you need, O my countryman? who can make your colorless earth bloom. How many sighs will cool your heart. How many tears should fill your desert with flowers. We strongly condemn the firing by Uttar Pradesh police on those protesting for peace in #???? (Sambhal) . Three youths have died in the police firing. We pray to Allah to forgive the deceased and give patience to their families. There should be an impartial investigation of this incident. Action should be taken against the officers who are responsible,” the Hyderabad MP said in a post on X.

The AIMIM leader had earlier remarked that the Babri Masjid judgment has emboldened Hindutva groups to target places of worship for Muslim community across India.

AIMIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi seeks investigation into Sambhal mosque clash

HYDERABAD: AIMIM president Asaduddin Owaisi on Sunday demanded an impartial investigation into the violent clash at Sambhal, Uttar Pradesh and action against ac

www.newindianexpress.com

 

[The Bald Eagle]

So tragic incident at @uppercut, do you still blame Muslims for this

 

[Kroll]

Indian secularism shining bright right there for you folks. There may or may not have been a temple at mosque site so lets go kill some Muslims.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Somebody spread false rumors clearly that the Survey is being done to take down the Mosque. Its not hard to workup gullible youth.

 

[JaDed]

Credit to Pakistani posters, Death toll at Kurram is at 88 , Police officer killed at PTI protest and they are discussing Uttar Pradesh.

 

[SportsWarrior]

There are literally 100s of Shias being mascaraed in Pakistan, but people are quick to open threads on Indian news. Does Overseas Pakistanis really care for Pakistan and their citizens? o\\

 

[SportsWarrior]

Credit to Pakistani posters, Death toll at Kurram is at 88 , Police officer killed at PTI protest and they are discussing Uttar Pradesh.

in the last three weeks alone, there were more Muslims killed violently in Pakistan than all of 2024 possibly all of 2020s. But here we are discussing random clashes in UP on a Pakistan forum while their own brothers and sisters lay down lives in the name of religion, land, ethnicity, revolution, etc.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

in the last three weeks alone, there were more Muslims killed violently in Pakistan than all of 2024 possibly all of 2020s. But here we are discussing random clashes in UP on a Pakistan forum while their own brothers and sisters lay down lives in the name of religion, land, ethnicity, revolution, etc.

You are 100% right here.

 

[Local.Dada]

I have no problem seeing threads discussing India or even criticism because it gives a fresh outsider perspective.

However in 99% of the cases it is the same old boring repetition that doesn’t go anywhere.

Having said that from local, international news there seems to a crisis in Pakistan in terms of political protests, internet ban etc etc.

On top of that there was a condemnable terrorist activity on civilians.

However the first 5 threads are pointless topics on India. That surprises me.

I know there has been a mod change at PP but I am not sure if the new mods are Pakistani or supporters of Congress party etc or politically against BJP. I saw a mod giving lecture on Manipur recently.

Strange times.

On topic, condemn any kind of violence.

 

[SportsWarrior]

I have no problem seeing threads discussing India or even criticism because it gives a fresh outsider perspective.

However in 99% of the cases it is the same old boring repetition that doesn’t go anywhere.

Having said that from local, international news there seems to a crisis in Pakistan in terms of political protests, internet ban etc etc.

On top of that there was a condemnable terrorist activity on civilians.

However the first 5 threads are pointless topics on India. That surprises me.

I know there has been a mod change at PP but I am not sure if the new mods are Pakistani or supporters of Congress party etc or politically against BJP. I saw a mod giving lecture on Manipur recently.

Strange times.

On topic, condemn any kind of violence.

absolutely agree with this. I come here to get a different and outside perspective on what is happening around the world. For eg being very pro Israel, it is important for me to get Muslims view on the issue. Being pro modi and BJP, it is good to get outside view from people who should be against them, etc. But what i see here is mostly same arguments recycled again and again

What really is funny and honestly sad is that there are literally 100s of their own people dying. People who share their religion, ethnicity, land, culture, etc. and no one seems to care as much as they care for some random Muslim dying in India. There is a protest to support their leader who is supposed to have "80%" backing of Pakistanis, but I don't even see 5% of posts dedicated to that poor fellow or party. Clearly this is just a place to diss on India and get some happiness?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Somebody spread false rumors clearly that the Survey is being done to take down the Mosque. Its not hard to workup gullible youth.

It's not like there isn't previous history of this.

 

[sweep_shot]

May Allah (SWT) protect Muslims in India from radical mobs.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Credit to Pakistani posters, Death toll at Kurram is at 88 , Police officer killed at PTI protest and they are discussing Uttar Pradesh.

Its all about real priorities.

Islamabad and Rawalpindi under lock down, Lahore roads closed. Civilians fighting with police and paramilitary and they think it will be safe for CT in a few months time automatically.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

May Allah (SWT) protect Muslims in India from radical mobs.

What about protection of Muslims in Pakistan, the poor PTI supporters of IK.

 

[Local.Dada]

What about protection of Muslims in Pakistan, the poor PTI supporters of IK.

Or more importantly the situation in Bangladesh he should be concerned about. Copy pasting cricinfo scores won’t make up for the issues there I would assume.

 

[JaDed]

What about protection of Muslims in Pakistan, the poor PTI supporters of IK.

Muslims can kill Muslims, didn’t you know that? Saudi Yemen, Gulf war, IraqIran war, and in last two years the killing in Pakistan by their establishment.

Same poster said its time to forget 1971.. the brotherhood extends to killing.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It's not like there isn't previous history of this.

Archeological survey of India only takes down the details of the structure. Any repairs will be handled by it for old structures.
I hope they ignore this mosque.

Dara hua Musalmans attack cops in India

 

[guard]

absolutely agree with this. I come here to get a different and outside perspective on what is happening around the world. For eg being very pro Israel, it is important for me to get Muslims view on the issue. Being pro modi and BJP, it is good to get outside view from people who should be against them, etc. But what i see here is mostly same arguments recycled again and again

What really is funny and honestly sad is that there are literally 100s of their own people dying. People who share their religion, ethnicity, land, culture, etc. and no one seems to care as much as they care for some random Muslim dying in India. There is a protest to support their leader who is supposed to have "80%" backing of Pakistanis, but I don't even see 5% of posts dedicated to that poor fellow or party. Clearly this is just a place to diss on India and get some happiness?

If you are pro israel then wht opinion will you gain here. The baby killers are on a roll, they shot up a young child in a car with 300 + bullets after killing all her relatives in the said car. What other opinion do you need. Bombing hospitals and killing with papa joes blessings

 

[uppercut]

So tragic incident at @uppercut, do you still blame Muslims for this

Yes. But unlike others I will also patiently answer Questions and provide facts to back up my views.

But will you be able to handle that and stick around to make a meaningful constructive discussion and not leave the thread when uncomfortable questions are asked?

Please let me know. Thanks.

 

[HalBass9]

Soon, Hindutva extremists may insist that Muslims change their names to Hindu ones, arguing it reflects their ancestral roots as Hindus.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Soon, Hindutva extremists may insist that Muslims change their names to Hindu ones, arguing it reflects their ancestral roots as Hindus.

Well, since some groups love to talk about historical claims we should remember that history of human civilization doesn't begin with 7th Century Arabia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Credit to Pakistani posters, Death toll at Kurram is at 88 , Police officer killed at PTI protest and they are discussing Uttar Pradesh.

They think talking about India will hide their problems.
Its basically agenda peddling.

Pakistanis have a Islamic republic but want to talk about secularism elsewhere.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Muslims can kill Muslims, didn’t you know that? Saudi Yemen, Gulf war, IraqIran war, and in last two years the killing in Pakistan by their establishment.

Same poster said its time to forget 1971.. the brotherhood extends to killing.

What with the small minded mentality. What happening now has to be condemned. Any Sane human will call a spade a spade.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

What about protection of Muslims in Pakistan, the poor PTI supporters of IK.

Since when did the Hindutwa become pro imran. The same imran who called out Modhi in UN

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes. But unlike others I will also patiently answer Questions and provide facts to back up my views.

But will you be able to handle that and stick around to make a meaningful constructive discussion and not leave the thread when uncomfortable questions are asked?

Please let me know. Thanks.

I would say 50% of your posts are usually hindutva propaganda presented as facts, and the other 50% are telling everybody they are running away when you present your nonsense as facts and they quite understandably disengage. I have no idea why anyone even entertains your lunatic ramblings.

 

[sweep_shot]

I would say 50% of your posts are usually hindutva propaganda presented as facts, and the other 50% are telling everybody they are running away when you present your nonsense as facts and they quite understandably disengage. I have no idea why anyone even entertains your lunatic ramblings.

@uppercut thinks everyone runs away from him. LOL.

What he doesn't realize people aren't interested to discuss same thing over and over with him.

 

[gani999]

Soon, Hindutva extremists may insist that Muslims change their names to Hindu ones, arguing it reflects their ancestral roots as Hindus.

Yes, they should learn from the muslim Choudarys, Kohlis and Bajwas in Pakistan, who have kept their Hindu surnames despite being forcefully converted generations ago.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

They think talking about India will hide their problems.
Its basically agenda peddling.

Pakistanis have a Islamic republic but want to talk about secularism elsewhere.

Don't you know, Islam already teaches equality of religions. Islamic republics are more secular than the concept of Secularism itself.

 

[uppercut]

@uppercut thinks everyone runs away from him. LOL.

What he doesn't realize people aren't interested to discuss same thing over and over with him.

In the Hindutva thread I asked you a very simple question which you are yet to Answer but it doesn't stop you from brazenly lying that you answered it and keep repeating your drivel in thread after thread. Thats why I keep chasing people like you as it is important to shut your types and your nonsense should be called out and exposed.

My point is very simple ... since you think Muslims are victims never did any wrong and Hindutva is obviously evil .. stand up and debate like a grown up with facts and logic instead of running away like a gutless coward every time I start challenging you.

 

[uppercut]

I would say 50% of your posts are usually hindutva propaganda presented as facts,

Like Modi's acquittal in the Gujrat riots court case which went to the Supreme court was a result of the evil Hindutva conspiracy ( which is what you claimed ) and when I corrected you and explained that this court ruling came during the most anti-Hindutva govt there ever was in the country ? This is the sort of crackpot nonsense that you peddle here.

Go ahead show me the facts if you still think you were right on that.
​

 

[sweep_shot]

Don't you know, Islam already teaches equality of religions. Islamic republics are more secular than the concept of Secularism itself.

Islam doesn't teach equality of religions (for example, Islam doesn't say polytheism is okay). However, Islam teaches fair treatment of people.

In Quran, Allah (SWT) said,

"Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." (Al-Quran, chapter 60, verse 08)

Surah Al-Mumtahanah - 8 - Quran.com

Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those...

quran.com

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Like Modi's acquittal in the Gujrat riots court case which went to the Supreme court was a result of the evil Hindutva conspiracy ( which is what you claimed ) and when I corrected you and explained that this court ruling came during the most anti-Hindutva govt there ever was in the country ? This is the sort of crackpot nonsense that you peddle here.

Go ahead show me the facts if you still think you were right on that.
​

An acquittal in a Supreme Court presided by mostly Hindu judges...correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[uppercut]

An acquittal in a Supreme Court presided by mostly Hindu judges...correct me if I'm wrong.

So therefore they are all Hindutva extremists ? Does it occur to you that none of them were appointed by the most left wing nutcases that ever ruled India ?

Moreover ... you expect the Indian Supreme court to consist of muslim or non-hindu judges in a country thats roughly 85% Non-Muslim ?

 

[sweep_shot]

.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Islam doesn't teach equality of religions (for example, Islam doesn't say polytheism is okay). However, Islam teaches fair treatment of people.

In Quran, Allah (SWT) said,

"Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those who are fair." (Al-Quran, chapter 60, verse 08)

Surah Al-Mumtahanah - 8 - Quran.com

Allah does not forbid you from dealing kindly and fairly with those who have neither fought nor driven you out of your homes. Surely Allah loves those...

quran.com

Islam may be teaching it. Muslims aren't practising it for sure. That's what matters.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

So therefore they are all Hindutva extremists ? Does it occur to you that none of them were appointed by the most left wing nutcases that ever ruled India ?

Moreover ... you expect the Indian Supreme court to consist of muslim or non-hindu judges in a country thats roughly 85% Non-Muslim ?

Captain Prime Knowledge loves the line of thinking that is typical of Islamophobes and racists in the west, he just replaces the word Muslim with Hindu .

 

[cricketjoshila]

An acquittal in a Supreme Court presided by mostly Hindu judges...correct me if I'm wrong.

Unlike many muslim countries,most non muslim countries don't consider non muslims as second class citizens. So constitutional courts decide on all matters and for all citizens.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Captain Prime Knowledge loves the line of thinking that is typical of Islamophobes and racists in the west, he just replaces the word Muslim with Hindu .

Captain doesn't think non Muslims should be judges in a court where muslim matters are dealt.

That's the amount of contempt people like him hold for other religions.

On another thread some posters were arguing that Muslims have the right to criticize other religions.

This is their thinking.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Captain doesn't think non Muslims should be judges in a court where muslim matters are dealt.

That's the amount of contempt people like him hold for other religions.

On another thread some posters were arguing that Muslims have the right to criticize other religions.

This is their thinking.

He is blessed with Prime Knowledge and a self appointed Kaptaan of all things fair and true.
It was only through him that we learned that India had to beg to join BRICS.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He is blessed with Prime Knowledge and a self appointed Kaptaan of all things fair and true.
It was only through him that we learned that India had to beg to join BRICS.

This isn't about him only.

Many posters here hold other religions in contempt. Esp Hindus.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Captain doesn't think non Muslims should be judges in a court where muslim matters are dealt.

That's the amount of contempt people like him hold for other religions.

On another thread some posters were arguing that Muslims have the right to criticize other religions.

This is their thinking.

What about this extremists view on Muslims.

Militant leader says Kabah is a “temple,” urges Hindus to capture Makkah - IAMC

Yati Narsinghanand made offensive remarks referring to the Kabah in Makkah as a “temple” that Hindus must capture in order to defeat Islam and the Muslims.

iamc.com

 

[Local.Dada]

What about this extremists view on Muslims.

Militant leader says Kabah is a “temple,” urges Hindus to capture Makkah - IAMC

Yati Narsinghanand made offensive remarks referring to the Kabah in Makkah as a “temple” that Hindus must capture in order to defeat Islam and the Muslims.

iamc.com

Is he a law maker or politician ? I don’t discuss religion but I can find clipping of 1000s of maulanas who say way worse things. That doesn’t make it right but what’s your point?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Is he a law maker or politician ? I don’t discuss religion but I can find clipping of 1000s of maulanas who say way worse things. That doesn’t make it right but what’s your point?

You seen your side kicks post . I was referring to his post.

 

[JaDed]

What with the small minded mentality. What happening now has to be condemned. Any Sane human will call a spade a spade.

Yes -all for the discussion and critique but where is the criticism, it’s all statements.
If it’s all about random statements then why even if a thread, how is it small minded when such a huge issue of sectrarian violence is going on Pakistan, the death number about to reach 100, and this has its own thread?

Discuss issues but don’t be a hypocrite.
This forum has been almost a second home to me for learning and discussing, but since new changes it has become extremely one sided in discussions.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Yes -all for the discussion and critique but where is the criticism, it’s all statements.
If it’s all about random statements then why even if a thread, how is it small minded when such a huge issue of sectrarian violence is going on Pakistan, the death number about to reach 100, and this has its own thread?

Discuss issue but don’t be a hypocrite.

but..... but.... he is a brit... not a paksitani

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Captain doesn't think non Muslims should be judges in a court where muslim matters are dealt.

That's the amount of contempt people like him hold for other religions.

On another thread some posters were arguing that Muslims have the right to criticize other religions.

This is their thinking.

Not true. I just don't trust that in a country where hindutva govts are voted in, that the Hindu judges will show impartiality.

 

[uppercut]

I would say 50% of your posts are usually hindutva propaganda presented as facts,

Like Modi's acquittal in the Gujrat riots court case which went to the Supreme court was a result of the evil Hindutva conspiracy ( which is what you claimed ) and when I corrected you and explained that this court ruling came during the most anti-Hindutva govt there ever was in the country ? This is the sort of crackpot nonsense that you peddle here.

Go ahead show me the facts if you still think you were right on that.
​

The latest FRESH episode of me calling out your usual drivel :

"It was an act of terrorism": Imran Khan on 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks

I’ll take all the Indian posters more seriously if they have the courage and integrity to join the other thread and give condolences to innocents who have lost their lives. Ha ha, you must be joking. You won't see some of them for dust, the collection of /ChinaIsraeli/Arab threads might have to...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

Thanks for proving my point in the most spectacular manner. But don't let that ownage stop you from pursuing your "Noble" cause.

 

[JaDed]

Not true. I just don't trust that in a country where hindutva govts are voted in, that the Hindu judges will show impartiality.

Good try equating Hindutva with Hindu judges, there is enough evidence that any rules of secularism is only because of Hindu Judges.

 

[uppercut]

Not true. I just don't trust that in a country where hindutva govts are voted in, that the Hindu judges will show impartiality.

But there was NO HINDUTVA GOVT at that time. What now ? surely there must be a conspiracy theory to cover for that

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good try equating Hindutva with Hindu judges, there is enough evidence that any rules of secularism is only because of Hindu Judges.

Yes of course the best judge of Hindu judges impartiality is going to be a Hindu. Good going.

For what it's worth I am sure there are many very fine Hindu judges. I just think in a country where they are voting in a hindutva govt which is virulently anti-Muslim, it would be hard for even a fair minded Hindu judge to vote against the popular opinion.

 

[JaDed]

Yes of course the best judge of Hindu judges impartiality is going to be a Hindu. Good going.

For what it's worth I am sure there are many very fine Hindu judges. I just think in a country where they are voting in a hindutva govt which is virulently anti-Muslim, it would be hard for even a fair minded Hindu judge to vote against the popular opinion.

Its parliamentary system, how many states vote BJP? What is their vote share, don’t blame the voters ,I can’t recall even 40% vote share for BJP.

In BJP itself there are enough sane leaders, so your argument on Hardline Hindutva is false , as very few states are actually have Extreme Hindutva government.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But there was NO HINDUTVA GOVT at that time. What now ? surely there must be a conspiracy theory to cover for that

There was no Hindutva govt during the Babri masjid riots or the Gujarat riots either. The mood was going in that direction, and that is what Modi and the BJP built their campaign on. It is STILL what they build their campaign on for that matter.

 

[uppercut]

There was no Hindutva govt during the Babri masjid riots or the Gujarat riots either. The mood was going in that direction, and that is what Modi and the BJP built their campaign on. It is STILL what they build their campaign on for that matter.

So then how did the Most anti-Modi political party in India come to power and rule for 10 yrs prior to Modi being elected in 2014 ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So then how did the Most anti-Modi political party in India come to power and rule for 10 yrs prior to Modi being elected in 2014 ?

That is a wider topic, not even sure what an anti-Modi political party looks like. Maybe take it up in a thread about Indian politics, let's not deflect from this actual topic of this thread.

 

[uppercut]

That is a wider topic, not even sure what an anti-Modi political party looks like.

then maybe STFU and not try to indulge in topics that are alien to you ?

Maybe take it up in a thread about Indian politics, let's not deflect from this actual topic of this thread.

As I said .... this is your tried and tested technique in these debates: dodge/deflect/run away then show up in a another thread and rinse/repeat as though none of the previous ownage never happened. You will NEVER EVER EVER follow thru with a discussion when you get cornered. Disgraceful individual.

 

[HalBass9]

Yes, they should learn from the muslim Choudarys, Kohlis and Bajwas in Pakistan, who have kept their Hindu surnames despite being forcefully converted generations ago.

Would Babar Bajwa or Aurengzaib Kholi get them lynched in Hindutva India?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

then maybe STFU and not try to indulge in topics that are alien to you ?




As I said .... this is your tried and tested technique in these debates: dodge/deflect/run away then show up in a another thread and rinse/repeat as though none of the previous ownage never happened. You will NEVER EVER EVER follow thru with a discussion when you get cornered. Disgraceful individual.

This topic is not about Indian elections of 2014 so stop diverting. Please don't expect any further replies to your attempts to hijack threads to propagate your hindutva nonsense. I will not indulge you.

 

[HalBass9]

This topic is not about Indian elections of 2014 so stop diverting. Please don't expect any further replies to your attempts to hijack threads to propagate your hindutva nonsense. I will not indulge you.

You are arguing with someone who believes that the first unicellular organisms have more inherent rights than Muslims. They claim that if these unicellular organisms later ‘chose’ to become Muslims, their collective has the right to commit genocide against Muslims, simply because they existed first.

His/her presence on this forum is solely to discredit Islam and justify violence against Muslims.

A sad way to spend a single second of breathing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not true. I just don't trust that in a country where hindutva govts are voted in, that the Hindu judges will show impartiality.

How many non Muslims have Muslim majority countries voted in as PM?

How many Christian majority countries have non Christian PMs?

As per your opinion none of their courts hold any credibility?

Many here know the truth. Don't worry.

 

[uppercut]

This topic is not about Indian elections of 2014 so stop diverting. Please don't expect any further replies to your attempts to hijack threads to propagate your hindutva nonsense. I will not indulge you.

Ohhh I am very well aware of your pathetic chicken run tactics ... so much so that I can actual predict that with 100% accuracy. And its not like you will provide answers even on threads that are on topic. And BTW one of the Mods has made a direct accusation blaming Hindutva for the topic on this thread. So go ahead ask the mods to withdraw that allegation or stand up and argue like a grown up instead of doing your usual chicken run.​

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are arguing with someone who believes that the first unicellular organisms have more inherent rights than Muslims. They claim that if these unicellular organisms later ‘chose’ to become Muslims, their collective has the right to commit genocide against Muslims, simply because they existed first.

His/her presence on this forum is solely to discredit Islam and justify violence against Muslims.

A sad way to spend a single second of breathing.

You are someone who believes you have the right to question and criticize other's faith.

This hypocrisy!!!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How many non Muslims have Muslim majority countries voted in as PM?

How many Christian majority countries have non Christian PMs?

As per your opinion none of their courts hold any credibility?

Many here know the truth. Don't worry.

No one is asking you to agree with my opinion. I am just saying I don't expect Hindu judges to be impartial in a country where the mood is so volatile mobs can be brought out onto the streets in their thousands to demolish mosques or burn neighbourhoods. I am not even blaming the judges particularly, they might fear their own homes would be burned next.

 

[uppercut]

You are arguing with someone who believes that the first unicellular organisms have more inherent rights than Muslims. They claim that if these unicellular organisms later ‘chose’ to become Muslims, their collective has the right to commit genocide against Muslims, simply because they existed first.

His/her presence on this forum is solely to discredit Islam and justify violence against Muslims.

A sad way to spend a single second of breathing.

Talk to me directly ... I will give you proper fitting replies to every single question you have on these topics.

Speaking of which ... how is that response to my post on the last topic you were discussing with me coming up?

Here is that post which you abandoned when the fertilizer started flowing in your direction ? --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are arguing with someone who believes that the first unicellular organisms have more inherent rights than Muslims. They claim that if these unicellular organisms later ‘chose’ to become Muslims, their collective has the right to commit genocide against Muslims, simply because they existed first.

His/her presence on this forum is solely to discredit Islam and justify violence against Muslims.

A sad way to spend a single second of breathing.

I don't normally indulge him for reasons already given. He/she spouts utter nonsense then when people get sick of the diversions and stop responding he/she will claim posters are running away. He/she has probably done it 5 times in this thread alone. An absolute crackpot of the highest order.

 

[HalBass9]

Talk to me directly ... I will give you proper fitting replies to every single question you have on these topics.

Speaking of which ... how is that response to my post on the last topic you were discussing with me coming up?

Here is that post which you abandoned when the fertilizer started flowing in your direction ? --> https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...reacher-for-hate-speech.315211/#post-12380069

No, it’s Okay.

 

[uppercut]

No one is asking you to agree with my opinion. I am just saying I don't expect Hindu judges to be impartial in a country where the mood is so volatile mobs can be brought out onto the streets in their thousands to demolish mosques or burn neighbourhoods. I am not even blaming the judges particularly, they might fear their own homes would be burned next.

So if that is your perception of how things work in India .. then how do you explain 2 successive losses for the Hindutva parties during the time period when the Godhra + 26/11 + Numerous terror incidents were the norm ? How do explain the numerous election setbacks just recently ?

How do you explain one of the Muslim Chief justice that ruled in favor of Ram Mandir ?

How do you explain the Muslim Archeological survey of India officer KK Mohammed's stance on the Ram temple ?

The point is that if you are SOO TRULY CONCERNED ABOUT THESE TOPICS ( which you most certainly are going by the number of posts that you make on these topics ) then maybe its about time that you start producing some authentic facts to back up your position instead of doing your chicken run ALL The time which only further confirms that you have no leg to stand on these topics but your fragile ego wont let you from accepting that you were dead wrong ?

 

[uppercut]

I don't normally indulge him for reasons already given. He/she spouts utter nonsense then when people get sick of the diversions and stop responding he/she will claim posters are running away. He/she has probably done it 5 times in this thread alone. An absolute crackpot of the highest order.

Says the crackpot that claims that all judges in Indias supreme court are biased. So you wanted the Gujrat riots trial to be held in the Islamabad Supreme court or else you will continue your mindless drivel ?

 

[HalBass9]

You are someone who believes you have the right to question and criticize other's faith.

This hypocrisy!!!

Everyone has a right to question and criticize anyone. You just don’t have a “right” to support the genocide, apartheid, and place people in open air prison.

 

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Everyone has a right to question and criticize anyone. You just don’t have a “right” to support the genocide, apartheid, and place people in open air prison.

Do that with facts to go with your criticism. And if these things are sooo important to you put some effort to back up your case thru facts.

 

[Local.Dada]

Everyone has a right to question and criticize anyone. You just don’t have a “right” to support the genocide, apartheid, and place people in open air prison.

Criticizing and questioning some one on hearsay without going through facts is the issue, analyzing and forming an assesment based on those facts is never an issue. When people speak like a half-baked illiterate and keep on regurgitating the same thing without hearing the other side or things inconvenient to them, that makes it a totally different matter.

 

[HalBass9]

Criticizing and questioning some one on hearsay without going through facts is the issue, analyzing and forming an assesment based on those facts is never an issue. When people speak like a half-baked illiterate and keep on regurgitating the same thing without hearing the other side or things inconvenient to them, that makes it a totally different matter.

Hindutva lynching over cow and recording as an achievement isn’t “hearsay”.

 

[HalBass9]

Do that with facts to go with your criticism. And if these things are sooo important to you put some effort to back up your case thru facts.

Your parameter of discussion begin with that people have right to kill and commit genocide against them because their ancestors converted to Islam.

Pretty much a coward stance to debate.

 

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Your parameter of discussion begin with that people have right to kill and commit genocide against them because their ancestors converted to Islam.

Thats JUST YOUR PATHETIC interpretation that your mind thinks is the case. Facts however are a different thing.

Pretty much a coward stance to debate.

Lets see the facts then. Go ahead.

 

[Local.Dada]

Hindutva lynching over cow and recording as an achievement isn’t “hearsay”.

Yes it is. Also the fact that you are squirming over one such news you overheard some of your elders discussing during a party but I can show you 100 such incidents in Pak everyday. Just let me know if the gloves are off, I will supply you with endless such information if you like and factually verified too.

Having said shouldn’t happen but if you are such a humanitarian why do you skip over 1000 other way worse incidents that slap you in the face.

 

[HalBass9]

Yes it is. Also the fact that you are squirming over one such news you overheard some of your elders discussing during a party but I can show you 100 such incidents in Pak everyday. Just let me know if the gloves are off, I will supply you with endless such information if you like and factually verified too.

Having said shouldn’t happen but if you are such a humanitarian why do you skip over 1000 other way worse incidents that slap you in the face.

There it is, from the Hindutva play book.
- such one incident.
- heard it from your elder.
- What about Pakistan.

 

[Local.Dada]

There it is, from the Hindutva play book.
- such one incident.
- heard it from your elder.
- What about Pakistan.

I wrote the post, don’t waste time summarizing it for me lol. Why do you run out of gas when countered? Yes maybe a guy got lynched, it is terrible. How many times have you discussed Ahmadi or other minority prosecution in Pak on PP, can you share, want to see your views. I mean were you moved when the Srilankan manager was lynched or other sect were gunned down recently. Let’s start fresh from this weeks news. Thoughts?

Pakistan violence: Dozens killed in sectarian attacks - BBC News

More than 80 die in a tribal area of Pakistan riven by tensions between Shia and Sunni communities.

www.bbc.com