Top teams giving away the advantage with slow over penalties in premier events

[MenInG]

India and now Pakistan in the Asia Cup.

Ridiculous to see how such big teams can do this in such high profile events, giving away the advantage

How can this happen?

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The new ICC rule in question:

If the fielding team fails to start the final over by the stipulated time for it to start, they will be docked one fielder from outside the 30-yard circle. So for the remainder of the innings, they will be allowed four, instead of five, fielders outside the 30-yard circle. The rule change applies to both men's and women's T20Is. According to the new rule, which was made public by the ICC on Friday, the fielding team needs to "be in position to bowl the first ball of the final over of the innings by the scheduled [or rescheduled in case of an unavoidable delay] cessation time for the innings".

 

[adzzy786]

India and now Pakistan in the Asia Cup.

Ridiculous to see how such big teams can do this in such high profile events, giving away the advantage

How can this happen?

What’s this new rule?

 

[Varun]

What’s this new rule?

Something to do with a fielder not being allowed in the circle if you're behind on over rate.

Another gimmick to keep T20s relevant as it continues to be found out.

 

[Major]

Something to do with a fielder not being allowed in the circle if you're behind on over rate.

Another gimmick to keep T20s relevant as it continues to be found out.

wasnt that an advantage for us? As we needed more outside the circle

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan made quite a few blunders. Slow over rate and also bowling Nawaz in the final over.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

India and now Pakistan in the Asia Cup.

Ridiculous to see how such big teams can do this in such high profile events, giving away the advantage

How can this happen?

High pressure game..lot of things happening. Oppressive heat

 

[Varun]

wasnt that an advantage for us? As we needed more outside the circle

Oh then it's the other way around: one player less allowed in the outfield.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

India had same penalty last 2 overs at min

 

[PakPremi]

Lot of players were cramming up and batsmen changing gloves etc. Hope all that was considered.

 

[Firebat]

The official rule is in OP now

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The turning point - the fielding penalty which Pakistan incurred due to their slow over-rate and which meant Pandya could pick the gaps easier than he had been doing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AsiaCup2022?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AsiaCup2022</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDVPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDVPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1563955958031818753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[cricketjoshila]

India was also penalised for the same i believe.

 

[GenericBrand]

Terrible rule imo, just changes the dynamics of the match suddenly. Things like the oppressive heat in the UAE should be considered etc.

Just stick with fines post-match

 

[Major]

a dumb rule. You cant have timing rules dictate fielding position.

Whatever happened to the good old fining the players salary.

What does ICC want? High atmosphere games be played quickly with no communication between players?

 

[dildilpak]

a dumb rule. You cant have timing rules dictate fielding position.

Whatever happened to the good old fining the players salary.

What does ICC want? High atmosphere games be played quickly with no communication between players?

Obviously, docking the match pay wasnt working so ICC had to come up with something different. Dont mind the rule change as this will force captains to not use up time like unwarranted appeals. And since this is applicable to both teams, it is not an unfair rule.

And honestly, you have strategic timeouts to thrash out the strategy, you shouldnt be doing that in the middle of the over.

 

[Saj]

What were the coaches and skipper doing?

Surely you'd expect some communication from them to say hurry up you are falling behind the run-rate.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India had the same penalty for the last 3 overs. Stupid rule. Difficult to maintain over rate in this heat and humidity.

 

[dildilpak]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The turning point - the fielding penalty which Pakistan incurred due to their slow over-rate and which meant Pandya could pick the gaps easier than he had been doing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AsiaCup2022?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AsiaCup2022</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDVPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDVPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1563955958031818753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2022</a></blockquote>
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It went both ways- Dahani could belt it out the last couple of overs because the Indians were penalized as well.

If anything the difference was that the Indians knew that the last over would be bowled by a spinner.

 

[pillionrider]

Not sure about the "final over" wording. India had the same rule applied to them yesterday for a few overs. So how did they know, India would be starting the "final over" late? Is this some predictive assessment based on their average over-rate until then. Sounds garbage if so. Ideally only the final over should have this rule applied to it, because that's when you know for sure that the team has been tardy.

 

[MP2011]

It went both ways- Dahani could belt it out the last couple of overs because the Indians were penalized as well.

lol, this.

It wasn't as if this was the only reason why Pakistan lost yesterday.

 

[MenInG]

As per a new clause in T20I playing conditions, both India and Pakistan were forced to position an extra fielder inside the 30-yard circle in the final stages of their bowling innings in their Asia Cup meeting on Sunday.

Both sides failed to be in a position to bowl the first ball of their final over by the scheduled end of innings time, and were penalised by the added restriction for slow over-rate, introduced in January this year.

Bowling first, India had bowled fewer than 18 overs in the allotted time, meaning Rohit Sharma was forced to field with five fielders inside the circle for the final two overs. The side gave away 23 runs across the eleven balls, bowling Pakistan out for 147 with one ball left in the innings.

In India's chase, Pakistan found themselves in a similar situation, running out of time and needing to bowl the final three overs under the same restriction. Ravindra Jadeja and Hardik Pandya capitalised on the extra fielder in, scoring the 32 runs required for victory, and completing the chase with two balls to spare.

Speaking to the press after the victory, fast-bowler Bhuvneshwar Kumar says the forced fielding changes were a good lesson to learn with big matches on the horizon.

“It is one of the points where you can win or lose the match in the last few overs. It was evenly poised but yes, we always talk about the run-rate because even in the final of the Asia Cup or in the World Cup, if this happens, we can lose the match, and that’s not the nice way to lose a match.

"We always address these things and definitely, this thing will be discussed in the next meeting we will have.”

The change was recommended by the ICC Cricket Committee last year, an organisation that sits in part to improve the pace of play in all formats. The first match played under the revised playing conditions was a one-off T20I match between the West Indies and Ireland at Sabina Park in mid-January.

The in-match penalties are in addition to the sanctions for slow over rate outlined in Article 2.22 of the ICC Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel, and the same restriction will be in place at the ICC Men's T20 World Cup in Australia in October and November this year.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2767745

 

[chuck]

lol, this.

It wasn't as if this was the only reason why Pakistan lost yesterday.

Yes - It evened out as both teams were penalized equally so should have hardly mattered as a primary/sole reason for Pakistan's loss. That said, it's natural for people to find fault somewhere else after losing - you got to blame the weather, heat, cramps, rules, toss, someone walking after nicking it behind, some legend unable to play the game, you getting up from the wrong side of the bed ...........

In the end, it was Just a game - it was highly entertaining and in the end the better team on the day won. Doesn't make anyone superior or inferior based on just one game - it would be better to just enjoy the game and the entertainment it brings, results are important but shouldn't be obsessed over with.

 

[MP2011]

Yes - It evened out as both teams were penalized equally so should have hardly mattered as a primary/sole reason for Pakistan's loss. That said, it's natural for people to find fault somewhere else after losing - you got to blame the weather, heat, cramps, rules, toss, someone walking after nicking it behind, some legend unable to play the game, you getting up from the wrong side of the bed ...........

In the end, it was Just a game - it was highly entertaining and in the end the better team on the day won. Doesn't make anyone superior or inferior based on just one game - it would be better to just enjoy the game and the entertainment it brings, results are important but shouldn't be obsessed over with.

Well said. But its India-Pakistan and I totally understand people being obsessed with the result.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India had bowled fewer than 18 overs in the allotted time & had to field with 5 fielders inside the circle. They gave away 23 runs in 11 balls.<br><br>Pakistan had to bowl the final 3 overs under the same restriction & conceded 32 runs in 16 balls.<br><br>Wake-up call for captains.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1564154401438277633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[Titan24]

Yes - It evened out as both teams were penalized equally so should have hardly mattered as a primary/sole reason for Pakistan's loss. That said, it's natural for people to find fault somewhere else after losing - you got to blame the weather, heat, cramps, rules, toss, someone walking after nicking it behind, some legend unable to play the game, you getting up from the wrong side of the bed ...........

In the end, it was Just a game - it was highly entertaining and in the end the better team on the day won. Doesn't make anyone superior or inferior based on just one game - it would be better to just enjoy the game and the entertainment it brings, results are important but shouldn't be obsessed over with.

Fair point however, I believe this rule will always hurt the side defending total a bit more considering the pressure around as well as the understanding for the chasing side what they are chasing.

Something that the teams really need to work on as it can be a game changer surely.

 

[chuck]

Fair point however, I believe this rule will always hurt the side defending total a bit more considering the pressure around as well as the understanding for the chasing side what they are chasing.

Something that the teams really need to work on as it can be a game changer surely.

That's probably right but it's a new rule and teams will get more organized in future as they adjust to this. I also think team chasing generally have an advantage in this format, esp. in UAE. Still the match was closely fought until the last over, wasn't one sided by any means. I loved and enjoyed the intensity - fantastic entertainment.

 

[Rana]

Rules just get tougher and tougher for bowlers

How is it a bowlers fault if his captain delays things too much? Why is the ICC so against bowlers getting a fair shot in the modern era?

 

[IccKnockout]

Rules just get tougher and tougher for bowlers

How is it a bowlers fault if his captain delays things too much? Why is the ICC so against bowlers getting a fair shot in the modern era?

Most of the time lost are also due to bowlers taking more than needed time finish the overs. There are some serious offenders who take unnecessarily long time to complete overs.
Bowlers are not totally innocent.

The real USP of a t20 game is that it is shorter in nature than other formats. Something the ICC has been pushing all the time to make it a global sports. So to maintain that image it is a completely FAIR RULE

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

That's probably right but it's a new rule and teams will get more organized in future as they adjust to this. I also think team chasing generally have an advantage in this format, esp. in UAE. Still the match was closely fought until the last over, wasn't one sided by any means. I loved and enjoyed the intensity - fantastic entertainment.

Rules just get tougher and tougher for bowlers

How is it a bowlers fault if his captain delays things too much? Why is the ICC so against bowlers getting a fair shot in the modern era?

Agree with both these posters.
With new rule defending will become more tough

 

[MenInG]

Agree with both these posters.
With new rule defending will become more tough

Maybe captains should do their jobs right.

 

[shamaan]

Maybe captains should do their jobs right.

Just ban the captain for three games if it happens twice.

 

[fight_club]

I think its utter nonsense, You can't run the game with a stick and a clock. There were plenty of things happening in the field. I guess like in football Refree decides extra time similarly match refree must consider factors affecting the over rate and then decide about it

 

[MenInG]

INDIA AND PAKISTAN FINED FOR SLOW OVER-RATE IN ASIA CUP MATCH


Both India and Pakistan have been fined 40 percent of their match fees for maintaining a slow over-rate in their Group A match of the Asia Cup on Sunday, 28 August.

Jeff Crowe of the Emirates ICC Elite Panel of Match Referees imposed the sanctions after Rohit Sharma and Babar Azam’s sides were ruled to be two overs short of their respective targets after time allowances were taken into consideration.

In accordance with Article 2.22 of the ICC Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel, which relates to minimum over-rate offences, players are fined 20 per cent of their match fees for every over their side fails to bowl in the allotted time.

Both captains pleaded guilty to the offence and accepted the proposed sanction, so there was no need for a formal hearing.

On-field umpires Masudur Rahman and Ruchira Pilliyaguruge, third umpire Raveendra Wimalasiri and fourth umpire Gazi Sohel levelled the charges.

 

[MenInG]

Scoreboard showing BD behind on overrate but TV comms saying they have confirmed with 3rd ump that SL are fine

This rule causing some problems.

 

[MenInG]

Bangladesh!

 

[DHONI183]

This is an absolutely dumb rule to the extremes. Seems to have been heavily inspired from the red card type rule from football, but cricket is a different game altogether. By penalising a team for the slow over-rate, by forcing them to have an extra fielder inside the circle, you´re disturbing the total balance of the game. It interferes with the very idea of having an even contest. Dumb, a dumb rule! Wait a while, until a semi-final or a final of some big event gets decided by this piece of nonsense, and then you´ll having many more fans and experts complaining about it, and then the ICC might take a U-turn on this. Do it already, for God´s sake!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This is an absolutely dumb rule to the extremes. Seems to have been heavily inspired from the red card type rule from football, but cricket is a different game altogether. By penalising a team for the slow over-rate, by forcing them to have an extra fielder inside the circle, you´re disturbing the total balance of the game. It interferes with the very idea of having an even contest. Dumb, a dumb rule! Wait a while, until a semi-final or a final of some big event gets decided by this piece of nonsense, and then you´ll having many more fans and experts complaining about it, and then the ICC might take a U-turn on this. Do it already, for God´s sake!

The worst thing about this rule is that it completely ignores the extreme heat that the players have had to deal with in the UAE at this time of the year. It is quite literally impossible for the players of any team to not have to take a drink of water or just wash/dry their sweat off after a few overs given the crazy level of heat and humidity. I sometimes get amazed just looking at the players and how absolutely drenched in sweat they tend to be. It's like someone just opened a water hose on them.

It seems like yet another edict from those MCC dinosaurs that the ICC somehow feel necessitated to follow.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This stupid rule is yet another reason why being lucky at the toss matters more than ever.

 

[DHONI183]

The worst thing about this rule is that it completely ignores the extreme heat that the players have had to deal with in the UAE at this time of the year. It is quite literally impossible for the players of any team to not have to take a drink of water or just wash/dry their sweat off after a few overs given the crazy level of heat and humidity. I sometimes get amazed just looking at the players and how absolutely drenched in sweat they tend to be. It's like someone just opened a water hose on them.

It seems like yet another edict from those MCC dinosaurs that the ICC somehow feel necessitated to follow.

When I submitted my above post to complain about the new rule, the aspect about the heat actually totally escaped my mind; and it's a most valid point, I must admit. Indeed, the MCC dinosaurs need to keep up with the game and need a software update, or something. A seriously problematic rule. Scrap it, please!

 

[MenInG]

Sri Lanka now being penalized! Poor stuff from these teams.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

The limitations themselves are too strict.

Hurrying too much will cost more than one extra fielder will.