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Tour Match: England A v Pakistan [Updates & Post Match]

Whippy squash said:
This was always going to be the case with our injuries whoever is picked...

Who would you replace Plunkett with? Mahmood, Kabir...after their recent displays there is no chance. Lewis...hopefully not.

Stuart Broad is an option I suppose, or Dalrymple if the conditions suit a second spinner. Dalrymple would also give the batting a boost.
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well you're right there isnt many options, i wouldnt go with plunkett,mahmood or kabir.

Most likely broad if her performs well, but its a chance. But for a pak view I'd rather face plunkett, hes too inconsistent
 
Razzaq bowling with an econ rate of 1, looks like all the Razzi bashers have disappeared tday!
 
Whippy squash said:
A'ight guys, we've established that Pak have taken a wkt by now
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:))) I can sense frustration from WS here - when we celebrate a wicket - we do it with style - OK guys on my mark - Bhangra Pao Jee !!! Aho Aho, Bally Ballay !
 
MenInGreen said:
:))) I can sense frustration from WS here - when we celebrate a wicket - we do it with style - OK guys on my mark - Bhangra Pao Jee !!! Aho Aho, Bally Ballay !
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:))
 
Sid100 said:
well you're right there isnt many options, i wouldnt go with plunkett,mahmood or kabir.

Most likely broad if her performs well, but its a chance. But for a pak view I'd rather face plunkett, hes too inconsistent
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Even on his worst days he is nowhere near as woeful and untrustworthy as Kabir and Mahmood can be. Plus he produces a wonder spell now and again like his masterclass against SL. Plunkett is the best option in terms of players that have already been tested.
 
Before anyone accuses me of hijacking the thread here is a score update
England A 172/2 (52.3 ov)
Code: 
Batsmen: 	R	B	4s	6s	S/R 		
RWT Key 	67	138	10	2	48.55 		not out
OA Shah 	6	13	1	0	46.15 		not out

Bowlers: 	O	M	R	W	Econ 			
Umar Gul 	10.3	2	29	1	2.76 		(0nb, 0w)	
Abdul Razzaq 	7	3	8	0	1.14 		(0nb, 0w)
 
This must be so boring - are England A practicing for the WC2007 ?
 
Panesar is a good bowler but isnt really gonna take 5 wickets against Pk who are good players of spin. he may take a few wickets in every innings but thats about it, IMO.
 
they're all playing with ordinary SRs because they want to protect their wickets and build an innings that will get them in the Lords side. It isn't like Pak are going to come out and score at 6 an over either.
 
Sid100 said:
Panesar is a good bowler but isnt really gonna take 5 wickets against Pk who are good players of spin. he may take a few wickets in every innings but thats about it, IMO.
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SL are some of the best players of spin but he took 5 against them, did he not
 
Whippy squash said:
they're all playing with ordinary SRs because they want to protect their wickets and build an innings that will get them in the Lords side. It isn't like Pak are going to come out and score at 6 an over either.
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Yes, Brother WS - believe that if you may - but rest assured that Pak batsman will be making a match of this !
 
Whippy squash said:
SL are some of the best players of spin but he took 5 against them, did he not
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yes, but it was overshadowed by Murali. hopefully this time it'll be overshadow by Kaneria. :D
 
Whippy squash said:
SL are some of the best players of spin but he took 5 against them, did he not
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i knew this was going to be coming, Sri Lanka are not a great test side, they have two good batsman sangakarra and jayawardene. The rest are just average.

Im not saying Panesaer is a bad bowler I think hes good much better than giles with more variety, but i just cant see him taking 5 wickets against pk
 
MenInGreen said:
Yes, Brother WS - believe that if you may - but rest assured that Pak batsman will be making a match of this !
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If Hoggy wasnt playing I would back Pakistan to score at 6 an over without trying, given our attack...
 
I agree, i don't think Panesar will take 5 wickets against Pak. Maybe the a few wickets here and there in an innings. Pak have become better players of spin. Just look at how they played Harbhajan, Kumble and Murali recently.
 
MenInGreen said:
Yes, Brother WS - believe that if you may - but rest assured that Pak batsman will be making a match of this !
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salaam bro

your dua should be "wansur al-muslimeen"
 
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looks like batting practice in this match unless hoggard destroys our top order...as for bowlers id rather face kabir and mehmood please..plunkers can be unpredictable hence dangerous..as for panesar well im worried..we can deal with giles but sardar jee might be a different problem!!
 
Score Update:

England A 183/2 (56.2 ov)

England A RR: 3.25

Bowlers: O M R W Econ
Umar Gul 12.2 2 34 1 2.76 (0nb, 0w)
Abdul Razzaq 9 4 13 0 1.44 (0nb, 0w)

Good economical bowling from these two especially Razzaq.
 
Uzzy said:
I agree, i don't think Panesar will take 5 wickets against Pak. Maybe the a few wickets here and there in an innings. Pak have become better players of spin. Just look at how they played Harbhajan, Kumble and Murali recently.
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left arm spinners are a different ball game. Though Panesar isnt as good as the afromentioned trio, spinners of his variety have given Pakistan sides some problems in the past and I wouldnt be surprised to see Panesar as one of the better bowlers of this series.
 
the Great Khan said:
looks like batting practice in this match unless hoggard destroys our top order...as for bowlers id rather face kabir and mehmood please..plunkers can be unpredictable hence dangerous..as for panesar well im worried..we can deal with giles but sardar jee might be a different problem!!
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What do u think his phug will distract are batsman???
 
I do want Panesar to do well and I dont............to do well cos he is a Lutonboy like me and not do well cos it is against Pakistan.....
 
Whippy squash said:
left arm spinners are a different ball game. Though Panesar isnt as good as the afromentioned trio, spinners of his variety have given Pakistan sides some problems in the past and I wouldnt be surprised to see Panesar as one of the better bowlers of this series.
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Unfortunetely you do have a point. We've managed to struggle against the likes of Giles and even Herath
 
Abdul Razzaq 10 5 13 0 1.30 (0nb, 0w)


Now thats economical figures, it reminds me of Robin Martin-Jenkins for Sussex, Just bowls economically with many maidens but doesnt take many wickets


R S C Martin-Jenkins 131 overs with 46 maidens for 271 runs with only 7 wickets. Thats an economy rate just over 2 in county cricket
 
Sid100 said:
Abdul Razzaq 10 5 13 0 1.30 (0nb, 0w)


Now thats economical figures, it reminds me of Robin Martin-Jenkins for Sussex, Just bowls economically with many maidens but doesnt take many wickets


R S C Martin-Jenkins 131 overs with 46 maidens for 271 runs with only 7 wickets. Thats an economy rate just over 2 in county cricket
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Putting shackles on the other team's scoring rate can make them frustrated and tempt them into rash and sometimes fatal shots. Bowlers that build pressure are an important part of any team that plays 4 or 5 day games.
 
Whippy squash said:
Putting shackles on the other team's scoring rate can make them frustrated and tempt them into rash and sometimes fatal shots. Bowlers that build pressure are an important part of any team that plays 4 or 5 day games.
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I agree with you, its quite impressive, im not a razzaq basher or a beast lover I'd say im in the middle of the two

What do u think Martin Jenkins as the 3rd seamer for England instead of plunkett????? ;-)
 
Tbh if we are considering Robin Martin-Jenkins we might as well pick his dad for the test series as well.
 
for the 1st test, do you think Shoaib Malik will replace Salman Butt and Younis Khan will replace Faisal Iqbal. The question is what we do with Shahid Afridi? Also, anybody concerned about Kamran Akmal's injury?
 
Is Kami struggling with an injury at the moment?

Has Faisal Iqbal taken over the wicketkeeping duties?
 
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Bell hits form against Pakistan
Tour match, Canterbury (tea, day one): England A 187-2 v Pakistan

Ian Bell strengthened his chances of making a return to England's Test team with an impressive innings of 74 against Pakistan at Canterbury.

Bell and England A captain Robert Key put on 160 for the second wicket after the hosts had elected to bat first on the four-day tour match.

Key was 76 not out in a tea score of 187-2, batting with Owais Shah.

Alastair Cook was caught behind off Mohammad Sami for three early on before Umar Gul finally removed Bell.

Faisal Iqbal was forced to take the gloves for Pakistan in the second session after wicket-keeper Kamran Akmal damaged his left index finger in the fifth over.

Akmal was hampered by the injury and handed Key a life moments before lunch when a delivery of extra bounce from Mohammad Asif found the edge.

Bell, who top-scored in the series against Pakistan over the winter but lost his Test place two months ago, drove fluently through the off-side in his innings.

he was finally undone when chasing a delivery from the third seamer, Gul, to provide Iqbal with a rare catch as a wicket-keeper.

Key had settled in at his county headquarters with a cover-driven four to get off the mark and a pull to the boundary, both off Asif.

When the same bowler dropped short again, his response was emphatic as a pull cleared the rope at fine leg.

After lunch, leg-spinner Danish Kaneria was hit for easy runs, but Pakistan's seam bowlers kept their discipline impressively on a wicket providing little assistance.

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I wonder if Pakistan would trust to play him in a test match if this doesn't heal, the dropped catch while playing through the pain barrier hasnt done him any favours at all.
 
I wonder if Pakistan would trust to play him in a test match if this doesn't heal, the dropped catch while playing through the pain barrier hasnt done him any favours at all.[/QUOTE]


We might need to ask for another keeper
 
If the finger is broken then both Pakistan and Kamran are in a bit of trouble.
 
Seeing as he is expected to bat for longish periods and keep wicket for sessions at a time this is a worry with the 1st test a week away...
 
sami must have been bowling pretty quick. that kami finger was broken in 5th over.
 
216/2 with an English opener approaching his ton, hopefully a week today we see an identical days cricket
 
who said kami's finger broke....he damaged it...that dont mean he broke it

plz refrain from such rumors if you dont know for sure....grrrrr
 
Its an educated guess, if an index finger injury significantly lowers performance and forces a wicketkeeper off it is probably a break. I think if he had chipped a nail or bruised his knuckle, he would have found it within himself to fight to stay on somehow...
 
None of us knows what the real problem is so lets stop fretting and let go of the cold sweats !!
 
Does anyone know what the Pak fielding has been like..any dropped catches etc...and the umpiring?
 
ziggy said:
Does anyone know what the Pak fielding has been like..any dropped catches etc...and the umpiring?
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Darrell Hair has been umpiring so Pak have been denied at least 6 extra wickets tday! :23:
 
Nobody knows if it is a break. Let's just chill out, relax, sip some sweet lassi and devour some kebabs.

Hopefully they took him off as a precaution. I agree with whippy that if it was just a chipped nail or a bruise they would have kept him on but only if it HAD BEEN A TEST MATCH. No point in playing through pain in a meaningless warm up match when Kamran has already had plenty of warm up. He can go off and ice it for a few hours. Or at least I hope.
 
Unless Akmal dived deliberately to get a penalty ?
 
Shah caught off bowling of Kaneria, but Bob Key marches on.

239/3
 
owais shah is gone!

Now for a collapse
 
I bet they said something nasty to poor Owais - these scheming Pakistanis....
 
What position does Farhat normally field in? If Shah has got himself caught out stupidly after working to get himself in, I will not be pleased. Of course if it is at slip, it is probably forgiveable.

Lets see what Bopara can do, a highly rated player among many
 
MenInGreen said:
I bet they said something nasty to poor Owais - these scheming Pakistanis....
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:))

They were dishing it out to Kabir Ali in Pindi! Kabir said so himself!
 
Time for Ravinder Bopara to show what he's made of. He's performed well in county level but it's a different thing against test match bowlers. How he does against Kaneria will be interesting.
 
Bopara hammering us.

5 of 33 balls, strike rate: 15.15.

In this kind of situations, Afridi is useful. He is a partnership breaker.
 
Whippy, Rob, do you guys think that Key will play @ Lords? He doesn't have any Test experience so it might be a bit of a risk. If Shah scores some runs in the 2nd innings, do you think he will be preffered to Key since he's had an excellent test debut?

There are two spots available : Two of Bell, Shah, and Key will take those two.
 
Faisal keeping would explain why we have given 18 byes so far. Its tough on the kid.
 
Easatheman said:
Whippy, Rob, do you guys think that Key will play @ Lords? He doesn't have any Test experience so it might be a bit of a risk. If Shah scores some runs in the 2nd innings, do you think he will be preffered to Key since he's had an excellent test debut?

There are two spots available : Two of Bell, Shah, and Key will take those two.
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he played before your time easa, he was one of wisden's cricketer of the year
 
Easatheman said:
Whippy, Rob, do you guys think that Key will play @ Lords? He doesn't have any Test experience so it might be a bit of a risk. If Shah scores some runs in the 2nd innings, do you think he will be preffered to Key since he's had an excellent test debut?

There are two spots available : Two of Bell, Shah, and Key will take those two.
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He's played about 15 tests and has a double century (@ Lords) under his considerable belt - sorry couldn't resist!
 
zMario said:
England A are 266/3 against us. I hate to think what it would be at Lord's
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If you recall what happened in the 1st test this winter England were 200 odd for 1 in their 1st inns and got a lead of 144 and we still won. I wouldnt get despondent so quickly. Nobody said it would be easy.
 
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