Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

[Down2Earth]

kohli had the benefit of playing around very good batsmen so he didn't have much pressure on him whereas umar akmal literally became our best batsman for a year or so. talent wise, umar akmal wins.

 

[msmkt]

Again you are just not making any sense here. You don't have any bases to say Umar is a match fixer.

my friend .. doing a drama our fake injury.
giving your wicket away at the wrong time..
scoring..at a horribly slow rate..

does not prove that (they are fixers) but surely ring the bells.

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

kohli had the benefit of playing around very good batsmen so he didn't have much pressure on him whereas umar akmal literally became our best batsman for a year or so. Talent wise, umar akmal wins.

+11111111111111111111111.

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

my friend .. doing a drama our fake injury.
giving your wicket away at the wrong time..
scoring..at a horribly slow rate..

does not prove that (they are fixers) but surely ring the bells.

Oh really??? Then I think PCB should Put Your name in the WC Squad as a replace of a Match fixer Umar..

Senseless Post.. Huh..

 

[in_cutter]

kohli had the benefit of playing around very good batsmen so he didn't have much pressure on him

..dont agree...today he scored most of the runs whilst others failed.

Kohli>Umar

 

[msmkt]

Oh really??? Then I think PCB should Put Your name in the WC Squad as a replace of a Match fixer Umar..

Senseless Post.. Huh..

so the way you supporting umar akmal..
its clear that Kamran akmal must be clean as milk.

So y do u think PCB axed K akmal.. that is senseless to me.

Kamran Akmal = Match Fixer
Umar Akmal = Kamran Akmal
Umar Akmal = Match Fixer.

its a matter of time in an year..Adnan Akmal will start to score ducks / Drop catches once he gets settled in the test team..

Mark my words..for future reference..

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

..dont agree...today he scored most of the runs whilst others failed.

Kohli>Umar

This was the Slowest Pitch and More suitable for Indians as the Commentator Mike said..

So, It wasn't a tough job for Kohli to Score runs here..

BTW,,, I am not trying to take any credits away from Kohli, He batted really well..

 

[Down2Earth]

..dont agree...today he scored most of the runs whilst others failed.

Kohli>Umar

isn't that exactly what umar akmal's been doing since he made his debut? outscore all the other batsmen in the team?

 

[Iqbilla]

Kohli has played in a settled team with lots of home matches on flat batting pitches.

Umar has played in avery unsettled team with extreme pressure and one controversy after another.

If they both played under same conditions Umar wins easily as he has much more talent and capable of lots of shots not one dimensional like Kohli

 

[tauseefm]

..dont agree...today he scored most of the runs whilst others failed.

Kohli>Umar

Ravindar Jadeja scores most of his runs when the entire team fail. does it means he is an accomplished player?

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

so the way you supporting umar akmal..
its clear that Kamran akmal must be clean as milk.

So y do u think PCB axed K akmal.. that is senseless to me.

Kamran Akmal = Match Fixer
Umar Akmal = Kamran Akmal
Umar Akmal = Match Fixer.

its a matter of time in an year..Adnan Akmal will start to score ducks / Drop catches once he gets settled in the test team..

Mark my words..for future reference..

I thought,, PCB has the Biggest Senseless Brain in the Entire World..

I think, I was wrong..

 

[in_cutter]

This was the Slowest Pitch and More suitable for Indians as the Commentator Mike said..

??

But others around him failed, putting pressure on him..

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

Kohli has played in a settled team with lots of home matches on flat batting pitches.

Umar has played in avery unsettled team with extreme pressure and one controversy after another.

If they both played under same conditions Umar wins easily as he has much more talent and capable of lots of shots not one dimensional like Kohli

Adding to That, Umar Yet to Make his Home Debut..

 

[msmkt]

I thought,, PCB has the Biggest Senseless Brain in the Entire World..

I think, I was wrong..

Yes Your are Spot on !

They made ironically correct decision by keeping Akmal out of side

But hes back..again.dah

 

[in_cutter]

isn't that exactly what umar akmal's been doing since he made his debut? outscore all the other batsmen in the team?

Yes im not denying Umar's talent...he lacks temprament...Kohli seems to have a better cricketing brain.

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

??

But others around him failed, putting pressure on him..

Do you wanna say, Umar Can't score Runs under pressure???

Helping you to Remember that, Umar's Maiden ODI Hundred Came in a Difficult Situation When Our team was around 80+ for 4.

And He made a ton from72 deliveries..

 

[Looney]

To even compare them is being unfair to Kohli . Kohli is all class


Umar Akmal , i do not know what his problem is . Why he cannot concentrate on his game . He has the attention span of a goldfish . Talent is no good if you do not use it well .

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Come on.. both are stylish and different kinds of players. Why compare>

Umar has not been consistent for a while though.

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

Yes im not denying Umar's talent...he lacks temprament...Kohli seems to have a better cricketing brain.

Buddy.. Its Just a Good Run Of Form.

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

To even compare them is being unfair to Kohli . Kohli is all class


Umar Akmal , i do not know what his problem is . Why he cannot concentrate on his game . He has the attention span of a goldfish . Talent is no good if you do not use it well .

Well, Wanna ask you one thing,, Whats the Definition of Class According to You???

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

Come on.. both are stylish and different kinds of players. Why compare>

Umar has not been consistent for a while though.

Poor Run of Form does not take his Talent Away from him..

 

[in_cutter]

Ravindar Jadeja scores most of his runs when the entire team fail. does it means he is an accomplished player?

What??? What has Jadeja got to do with this?? I was only trying to prove a point to DownToEarth

 

[in_cutter]

Do you wanna say, Umar Can't score Runs under pressure???

Helping you to Remember that, Umar's Maiden ODI Hundred Came in a Difficult Situation When Our team was around 80+ for 4.

And He made a ton from72 deliveries..

No im not saying Umar cant perform under pressure

I was responding to another post. Again im not denying Umar's talent, but Kohli is better.

 

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

u got to factor in that kohli is in a balanced team where as umar is not..

who care who is in the balance team, but look at the timing of kohli way way better than umer akmal.. umer akam is good in taking singles same like kohli but geting fours with time .. it all goes for kohli. he looks class act.. umer akmal gets his boundary just power hitting.. he is not good timer of the ball.. who can roll the ball along the ground with just pure timing..

for me kohli is way better batsman right now, who knows one year later if umer akmal start using his brain and learn timing the ball well.

 

[tauseefm]

What??? What has Jadeja got to do with this?? I was only trying to prove a point to DownToEarth

Lol i know, i was just pulling ur leg

Anyways, Kholi has been playing regularly for a while and his technique is lot better the U Akmal but for some reason U Akmal has a WOW factor which Kholi doesn't

 

[Equinox]

Kohli every day of the week.

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

Kohli every day of the week.

Here Comes Bangla Pagla Diwana.. )

 

[s2k]

Some PPers here say that Umar Akmal is more talented than Kohli.I have also heard that Butt is more talented than Gambhir and Imran Nazir more than Sehwag.

I beg to ask what is this talent?how do you measure it?

Talent=Performance.

If you cant perform than you dont have talent.

At this moment Kohli is better than Akmal.

 

[gsivak]

I think we can't compare the two players till Kohli makes his test debut. Raina is a very good LO cricketer but his form in test is still very suspect so difficult to judge how good Kohli is till he plays a few test matches.

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

Some PPers here say that Umar Akmal is more talented than Kohli.I have also heard that Butt is more talented than Gambhir and Imran Nazir more than Sehwag.

I beg to ask what is this talent?how do you measure it?

Talent=Performance.

If you cant perform than you dont have talent.

At this moment Kohli is better than Akmal.

Really???

If that was the Case, Then No Player In the World Had Lack of Form Ever.. Especially those Who has Talent..

As you said Talent = Performance.

 

[Junior_Akmal]

my friend .. doing a drama our fake injury.
giving your wicket away at the wrong time..
scoring..at a horribly slow rate..

does not prove that (they are fixers) but surely ring the bells.

So with your theory, even Asad Shafiq and YK are match fixers too because they almost cost us the last T20 in NZ because they were batting at a very slow pace specially after getting a flying start from Shehzad and Hafeez.

Please make some sense out of your posts. Don't just post for the heck of posting and use the freedom of posting in wrong way. Lets be a little more constructive as suppose to start rumour mills.

 

[zoi321]

Umar akmal is immensely more talented than Kohli but Akmal dosent have good enough temprament thats the problem and he has got to stop slogging for no reason that is why Kohli is more sucessfull.

 

[AZ]

it's not about temperament, it's about grooming.

if Umar Akmal was surrounded by so many performing and experienced players, he would show a lot better performance than Virat.

he's had to perform all sorts of roles to soon in his career, and that has messed him up mentally.

 

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

Some PPers here say that Umar Akmal is more talented than Kohli.I have also heard that Butt is more talented than Gambhir and Imran Nazir more than Sehwag.

I beg to ask what is this talent?how do you measure it?

Talent=Performance.

If you cant perform than you dont have talent.

At this moment Kohli is better than Akmal.

u r too emotional, u r on pakpassion forum where u can expect mosly very emotional fans guess for who? ofcourse only for pak team..

but if u read this whole thread mostly pak fans here rated kohli higher than even some way higher than umer akmal.. show me any indian forum where u can expect saeed was way better than sehwag in odis? for me saeeed was way way better than sehwag in odis..

u should happy here with the very favorable response of fans towards kohli instead of still complaining!

 

[Pak4Ev3r]

Kohli has proved hes better he has done well Constantly

 

[rsk]

Kohli is in good form. Let us wait and comment as to who is superior.

 

[Awesome_Username]

who care who is in the balance team, but look at the timing of kohli way way better than umer akmal.. umer akam is good in taking singles same like kohli but geting fours with time .. it all goes for kohli. he looks class act.. umer akmal gets his boundary just power hitting.. he is not good timer of the ball.. who can roll the ball along the ground with just pure timing..

for me kohli is way better batsman right now, who knows one year later if umer akmal start using his brain and learn timing the ball well.

If you think Umar Akmal is not a good timer of the ball, I think you've just wasted 30 years without building an understanding of the game. The very reason he is considered 'talented', despite not being very bright, is that he has that extra bit of time, like Inzamam did, to play each delivery. That is essentially a physical ability that you cannot learn. You do not play those late,late,late cuts that he regularly does without having that ability. Yes, he does prefer hitting the ball aerially and with a lot of power and I hate that too. But that doesn't mean he cannot time the ball. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Both are talented youngsters and future of the batting lineups in India and Pakistan. And perhaps future captains as well.

Akmal has hit a bit of a rough patch off late but that can happen to any youngster. He will learn, work hard and rectify his issues with shot selection.

Kolhi has improved as a batsman and has been maturing well. Needs to tkae this batting form to the tests now where he may soon find himself occupying one of the middle order spots.

 

[s2k]

Really???

If that was the Case, Then No Player In the World Had Lack of Form Ever.. Especially those Who has Talent..

As you said Talent = Performance.

Temporary loss of form and constantly performing poorly are 2 different things.Akmal has performed so poorly that he has lost his place even in this poor Pakistani batting side.

He hasnt lost any form,it just that he doesnt have the mental ability to perform consistently at the top level

 

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

If you think Umar Akmal is not a good timer of the ball, I think you've just wasted 30 years without building an understanding of the game. The very reason he is considered 'talented', despite not being very bright, is that he has that extra bit of time, like Inzamam did, to play each delivery. That is essentially a physical ability that you cannot learn. You do not play those late,late,late cuts that he regularly does without having that ability. Yes, he does prefer hitting the ball aerially and with a lot of power and I hate that too. But that doesn't mean he cannot time the ball. The two are not mutually exclusive.

i think u r not wathcing kohli's batting at all.. look at his fours just stop/place or touch bat.. and ball goes rolling with ground starting from pitch.. just the see timing of the both players.. any how i am watching kohli from last 2-3 series.. he looks at the moment better than tendu.. i know now lot of indians will come here and start burning my effigies for saying kohli looks better than tendu..

 

[pakistandiehardfan]

Umar Akmal was much better when he started off, and has the capacity and talent to be better than Virat Kohli. He is nothing, just one of those flat track bully's.

 

[Awesome_Username]

i think u r not wathcing kohli's batting at all.. look at his fours just stop/place or touch bat.. and ball goes rolling with ground starting from pitch.. just the see timing of the both players.. any how i am watching kohli from last 2-3 series.. he looks at the moment better than tendu.. i know now lot of indians will come here and start burning my effigies for saying kohli looks better than tendu..

When did I say Kohli isn't a good timer or a good player in general? I was responding to your statements with regard to Akmal.

And no, Kohli is not a better player than Tendulkar.

 

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

When did I say Kohli isn't a good timer or a good player in general? I was responding to your statements with regard to Akmal.

And no, Kohli is not a better player than Tendulkar.

i didn't say he is better player then tendu, i said in current form or current days in odis..

 

[Amir]

it's not about temperament, it's about grooming.

if Umar Akmal was surrounded by so many performing and experienced players, he would show a lot better performance than Virat.

he's had to perform all sorts of roles to soon in his career, and that has messed him up mentally.

It just sounds like all excuses to me. Sure, Virat has had a better environment, but he has used that environment better than others like Vijay or Sharma.

Umar does not need to play with seniors to learn that you need t play in the V. He plays all these late cuts and paddle shots, which he cannot play well. If you need someone to tell you not to play it when your not scoring many runs with it...then you need a little more than just experienced batsmen around you. Probably need a coach batting out there with you too.

 

[sunnykhan]

Kohli >> Umar Akmal. Kohli has a very good understanding of his game. While umar does not understand his limitations. Thus, Kohli is a better player than Umar.

 

[AZ]

It just sounds like all excuses to me. Sure, Virat has had a better environment, but he has used that environment better than others like Vijay or Sharma.

Umar does not need to play with seniors to learn that you need t play in the V. He plays all these late cuts and paddle shots, which he cannot play well. If you need someone to tell you not to play it when your not scoring many runs with it...then you need a little more than just experienced batsmen around you. Probably need a coach batting out there with you too.

he can play those shots, that's why he tries them...they are low percentage shots sure, but that is just him reacting to the pressure of the situation.

 

[Warfare]

Kholi>>>>>>>>Umar

No comparison really.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Kohli seems to be progressing well as he seems to have a level head and like some have pointed out he has world class senior batsmen to guide him and help him along. Hopefully at some point the penny will drop with Umar Akmal and he will start to peform again.

 

[90MPH]

Both are talented youngsters and future of the batting lineups in India and Pakistan. And perhaps future captains as well.

Akmal has hit a bit of a rough patch off late but that can happen to any youngster. He will learn, work hard and rectify his issues with shot selection.

Kolhi has improved as a batsman and has been maturing well. Needs to tkae this batting form to the tests now where he may soon find himself occupying one of the middle order spots.

Finally a balanced post.

Kohli is more selective with his shot selection, where as Umar at times playS too many different fanciful shots.

 

[Pakprideuk]

Both talented but one can use his talent, the other can't control that talent. Same old story.

 

[saeed-sohail]

No comparisons one is a cross batted slogger other a proper batsman.

 

[md_tariq]

you cant compare slogger with pure No3 batsman. Kohli is more like ponting, kallis,etc., kind of player. Umar has played few great innings at the beginning of his career, after that he has been only slogging or trying his luck everytime he batted.

still I would say people here are hyping kohli. He is def not like Sachin or Lara kind of player. He is a smart cricketer though. He knows how to build the innings. At his young age, he has that level of maturity which is good and should be appreciated for that.

 

[chui_kadoo]

Umar Akmal is just becoming more and more like Afridi a slogger.
Seems like the Brain Fart disease is getting to him as well.

 

[UmarMalik]

Kohli is my idol in batting at the moment.. I always try to copy his style when I bat in the nets.. he's a class act!

 

[babu]

Umar Akmal is just becoming more and more like Afridi a slogger.
Seems like the Brain Fart disease is getting to him as well.

he will never become a slogger like afirid. atleast afirid have power to hit and he can bowl too. what umar can do apart from playing some hard hitting silly shots and then got out.

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

Temporary loss of form and constantly performing poorly are 2 different things.Akmal has performed so poorly that he has lost his place even in this poor Pakistani batting side.

He hasnt lost any form,it just that he doesnt have the mental ability to perform consistently at the top level

I will talk with you on this after 2yrs.. Hope your words will be same as you are saying right now...


To Me Performance depends on Talent But Talent Never Depends on Performance...

And Yes I can Prove my words..

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

Kohli is my idol in batting at the moment.. I always try to copy his style when I bat in the nets.. he's a class act!

Here Comes Pakistani Version of Virat Kohli..

 

[Passion4Pakistan]

I can bet.. Within Few Days or Weeks.. Here will be a Thread Of..

Ahmed Shehzad Vs Virat Kohli - Who is Better????

Huh

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Virat Kohli has been exceptional of late where as Umar Akmal was pretty good and named the next big thing after Inzi etc; but he seems to have not managed to keep his feet on the ground and as the result a massive dip in form and he finds himself on the sidelines...

Talent wise Umar Akmal is not less but just doesn't have the brains to use it to his advantage tries too many different things and gets all worked up where as with Kohli he's had to wait for his opportunity and now that he's got it is using to some good extent with a cool head and making sure he converts his starts to over 50's and some to 100's.

 

[sunnykhan]

I can bet.. Within Few Days or Weeks.. Here will be a Thread Of..

Ahmed Shehzad Vs Virat Kohli - Who is Better????

Huh

Kohli will win that without any arguements. RoFl

 

[saeed-sohail]

Talented batsmen always pick length early Umar doesn't.Hence his reliance on slogs.

 

[md_tariq]

Is this pakpassion or indiapassion, people here have been hyping kohli like next big thing. he is def not.

no one seems to have any kind of respect for Umar. thats sad. Umar is def a bright talent. I am sure he will do well.

 

[cricfan4ever]

ya let Kohli come in to bat everytime his team is 3-4 down for 40-60 odd on the board...than we can see how he performs...

Umar Akmal has performed outside of Pakistan...and now he's been reduced to being a finisher/slogger rather than developing him to bat at no.3 in ODIs...

huge difference b/w both...one has gotten to bat at his ideal position (Kohli) and given the opportunity to construct proper ODI innings where as other (Junior) at one point was being relied upon as the star batsman, constantly coming under pressure to bat...and now since the last 2 ODI series has been coming in to bat at no.6...

Kohli is talented no doubt but at this point a comparison b/w Umar & him is unfair due to the role our stupid management is asking Junior to play...

Kohli has been managed better and results have proven it...

Umar after a fantastic start in all forms of the game has gone backwards due to poor management!

 

[md_tariq]

ya let Kohli come in to bat everytime his team is 3-4 down for 40-60 odd on the board...than we can see how he performs...

Umar Akmal has performed outside of Pakistan...and now he's been reduced to being a finisher/slogger rather than developing him to bat at no.3 in ODIs...

huge difference b/w both...one has gotten to bat at his ideal position (Kohli) and given the opportunity to construct proper ODI innings where as other (Junior) at one point was being relied upon as the star batsman, constantly coming under pressure to bat...and now since the last 2 ODI series has been coming in to bat at no.6...

Kohli is talented no doubt but at this point a comparison b/w Umar & him is unfair due to the role our stupid management is asking Junior to play...

Kohli has been managed better and results have proven it...

Umar after a fantastic start in all forms of the game has gone backwards due to poor management!

this is the one I was looking for.

 

[cricfan4ever]

People here need to also understand that Kohli is playing in a team filled with not just experienced batsmen but simply great batsmen where as Umar doesn't have that luxury to bat with those type of batsmen. He doesn't have those experienced players to tell him what to do when he is at the crease. I do accept that at the moment Kohli is more accomplished as compared to Umar but the fact that he has the right mix of players to guide him makes it easier as compared to Umar who hasn't had those experienced players to guide him. I only know one thing that when Umar did have those class players working with him, he did wonders in NZ and in SriLanka. The point is that Pakistan hasn't realised how good Umar can be and hasn't provided him with right guidance to polish his skills. I only hope that having YK and Misbah will bring more stability to Umar's skills and help him reach the potential he is capable of. Besides, Kohli has never been put under pressure to be the main batsman like Umar was when he played in Englad and that's where it all went wrong for him.

you nailed it bro! spot on!

 

[Awesome_Username]

Talented batsmen always pick length early Umar doesn't.Hence his reliance on slogs.

Umar does pick the length up early mera bhai. In fact, earlier than most other batsmen. That is pretty much the main thing he had going for him. That is why he was considered really special when he came on to the scene. The slogging thing is a mental thing which he may or may not be able to combat in the future.

 

[AZ]

you can't take genuinely quick bowlers like Shane Bond, Lasith Malinga, Mitchell Johnson & Dirk Nannes to the cleaners if one can't 'pick the length' early.

 

[cricfan4ever]

it's not about temperament, it's about grooming.

if Umar Akmal was surrounded by so many performing and experienced players, he would show a lot better performance than Virat.

he's had to perform all sorts of roles to soon in his career, and that has messed him up mentally.

well said AZ...I agree 100%

 

[cricfan4ever]

you can't take genuinely quick bowlers like Shane Bond, Lasith Malinga, Mitchell Johnson & Dirk Nannes to the cleaners if one can't 'pick the length' early.

you are wrong...Umar is still a mindless slogger

) ) )

 

[Monsee]

Temporary loss of form and constantly performing poorly are 2 different things.Akmal has performed so poorly that he has lost his place even in this poor Pakistani batting side.

He hasnt lost any form,it just that he doesnt have the mental ability to perform consistently at the top level

And you do remember a certain opener who was dropped from the Nat'l team for a while after prolonged bad performances!

At that moment in time, his mental ability and temperament were being questioned...by everyone including his loyal fans too.

Akmal has just hit that part in his career where it will take some time to get back to where he before...in due time, he will

 

[in_cutter]

...oh dear...Umar could have let that ball go, but instead gave catching practice.

 

[Prince_Pathan]

And you do remember a certain opener who was dropped from the Nat'l team for a while after prolonged bad performances!

At that moment in time, his mental ability and temperament were being questioned...by everyone including his loyal fans too.

Akmal has just hit that part in his career where it will take some time to get back to where he before...in due time, he will

nazir?

 

[Zaz]

The great Viv gave catching practice once again It takes talent to edge a first ball

 

[md_tariq]

nazir?

dont be so naive. he is talking about shewag.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I actually dont like either one of em..

 

[md_tariq]

umar does not seem to be learning. he is making same mistake again and again. anyway we dont have any other way we have to keep him atleast till the end of the world cup. just hope he would learn or somehow click during this series or in the world cup.

 

[duostyle]

umar does not seem to be learning. he is making same mistake again and again.

He's learning to be consistent, he's just 20, he doesn't have Sachin to support him, give him a break!

/typical Junior fan impression over

 

[Sir_Afridi]

Kohli is just another ODI slogger. What are his test credentials??? when Kohli destroy Bond,Johnson,Siddle in their own back yard in test cricket...then we'll talk :umarakmal

 

[in_cutter]

Kohli is just another ODI slogger. What are his test credentials??? when Kohli destroy Bond,Johnson,Siddle in their own back yard in test cricket...then we'll talk :umarakmal

Your user-name says it all

 

[rajachoudhary50]

Umar has more natural ability talent and style. Kohli is useless player who just scores 50 plus scores on consistent basis. Nothing great about it