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Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

cricket_fan_1 said:
virat has to fight every single match for a place in the team...same is not the case with umar...i think the difference lies there :)
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Very very good point made there. I remember in the recent ODI series against South Africa, Umar was kept out of the team and Asad Shafiq was preferred over him for 4 ODIs.

5th ODI = Zulqarnain runs away = Umar gets his chance = Bam! Umar scores a good 65

The guy has the talent, no doubt about that. Its just that he takes his spot in the team for granted.
 
philhunter said:
Can somebody close this thread this thread is an insult to Kohli who is classy batsmen and Umar Akmal is nothing but a slogger who is hit and miss.

It is like comparing Shane Warne vs Ajanta mendis who started well but showed his true clors once people sorted him out.

Same thing with Akmal once he got exposed more to bowlers they have sort him out.
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very good point.compare him to inzi
 
Forget Kholi & Akmal, Tamim is the real deal. He looks so solid and calm out there playing some elegant shots..... Akmal should sit in front of the TV and just watch Tamim bat on a 24/7 basis..
 
I was gonna say, Akmal should be compared with Tamim. Kohli is at another level ahead of both
 
M Nadeem said:
They have played 70% of their matches on Sub-continent pitches and we have 80% of our matches in England,New Zealand and Australia.Difference lies there.I expect him to fire in this tournament though pitches are not easy in Sri lanka compare to Ban-Ind.
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One cannot win an argument with an emotional fan like you. Hopefully the shehzda of la'ore comes out good in the remaining games for pakistan sake. I knew you would have another set of excuse oh sorry arrgument already if he flops:P
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Umar is capable of doing serious damage but Kohli promises growth.

10 years from now you'll be astonished to see the stats difference between them (if Umar stays that longer)
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He will, he will eventually mature into a fine batsman, he just need to get proper guidance and i think Younis Khan is the best person for that.
 
What are Kohli tests stats?? The way Indians talk about him , I assume he must have a 50+ average in tests...no
 
I think this support for UA is justifiable but for how long? UA must prove his worth in the first couple of games or make way for someone hungrier!
 
The_Real_Deal said:
thats a complete illogical comparison.

warne and mendis cannot be compared to virat and umar. warne is more experienced and is way older then mendis, whereas virat and umar are similar age and similar in experience.
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the comparison was not about experience it is about talent and technique.

Even Afridi on his day can tonk sixes and make 100s but that does not make him a great batsmen.

Same goes with Umar and Kohli, Umar has zero technique , where Kohli has very sound technique and very good temperament which Umar never had to begin with.
 
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philhunter said:
the comparison was not about experience it is about talent and technique.

Even Afridi on his day can tonk sixes and make 100s but that does not make him a great batsmen.

Same goes with Umar and Kohli, Umar has zero technique , where Kohli has very sound technique and very good temperament which Umar never had to begin with.
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agree with the temperament part but UA's technique is no where close to 'Zero.' The fact that he made it to Int. level proves that he has technique. I think Technique and temperament complement each other. Because of UA's lack of temperament maybe his technique is overshadowed too sometimes!
 
Ummer Khan said:
have u seen akmals 46* vs windies,when he single handedly won pakistan the game on the green seaming wicket........

and must i tell u that about 90% of akmals innings have been on pitches outside of sub continent........

BUT KOHLI IS MUCH MORE FOCUSSED THAN AKMAL.............. there is no denying the fact
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i never put down Akmal or his talent. I was just contesting your assertion that Kohli will not succeed overseas. From the early indications it looks like he will
 
Originally Posted by Sir_Afridi
What are Kohli tests stats?? The way Indians talk about him , I assume he must have a 50+ average in tests...no
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You wont really like to see Kohli being given an opportunity to play tests given the fact we play a lot on flat decks :D
In just an year his stats will get out of reach of Umar
 
Romali_rotti said:
Forget Kholi & Akmal, Tamim is the real deal. He looks so solid and calm out there playing some elegant shots..... Akmal should sit in front of the TV and just watch Tamim bat on a 24/7 basis..
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definitely Tamim is an exceptional talent ....brilliant shot making ...numerous shot in his Armour ....I love his batting
 
Tamin is a good talent. But he should have batted better in chasing 370 today.
 
Awesome consistency by Kholi. So far have beaten Umar Akmal by light years.
 
I may as well have a say on this discussion.

Both players for me are work in progress. Both are talented players.

Who do I rate higher? Definitely Kohli. Kohli appears to have a far superior temperament and a bigger range of shots.

Umar has gone backwards since his amazing start to international cricket. He seems far better suited to 20-20 and ODI cricket as it appears he lacks the temperament and innings-building qualities to be a test player. Has a tendency to play brainless shots. On the other hand, there is no denying that he has a lot of natural talent. He needs some very serious work and a rethink in strategy if he is going to be an international standard player.

Now back to Kohli. Clearly a player of potential. But still a work in progress. Let's judge him when he has played in England in the summer.

Who knows ? In 2 years time, insha-allah Umar will have gonbe ahead of Kohli if he works hard and learns from his mistakes. For now... Kohli is clearly ahead.
 
Kohli is far better compared to Umar akmal ...


Umar has no method in his batting where as kohli uses sense in his batting ...
 
hur rizvi said:
Kohli is far better compared to Umar akmal ...


Umar has no method in his batting where as kohli uses sense in his batting ...
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Yeah, Umar Akmal is just wasting green colour by applying it on himself, As far as his performance is concerned This Akmal lovers won't ever agree the fact that Kohli is Far better than umar akmal is. I dont know when this thread would be close and this all non-sense excuses made by umar akmal will come to an end. Jo talented hota hai kohli ke tarah woh her jaga perform kerta hai. Pitches Doesn't matters for him.
 
Kohli anyday....better technique, better temperament. He is better at the 2 most important T's.
 
If Umar Akmal was developed/handled under BCCI, then believe me.. Today we would have been witnessing a batsman dominating the pitch just like Kohli is.

Umar Akmal had the potential to become a world class batsman when he first arrived at International level but since then, the boy has been SO badly developed by PCB that the potential has taken a dip and his confidence has been dented too.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, If you compare them right now then Kohli is obviously better BUT if Umar Akmal was developed better by PCB or if he was under the development of BCCI then he possiby could have been a better player then Kohli.
 
both players have equal amount of talent
the difference is one doesnt use his brains!! :umarakmal
 
There is no competition. This thread does a huge disservice to Kohli Talent.

Not only is Kohli technique streets ahead of Umar, a remark by Sehwag in press conference confirmed today that he is also miles ahead in temperament

Sehwag reminded us of one of the ODI games against Pakistan where Kohli was cruising until he had a brain fart and chipped one to the long off. Apparently Kohli was really disturbed for throwing his wicket away and got determined to make most of the good start next time

And the result is there to see. Kohli has since scored 6 centures. SIX.

Umar however throws his wicket away almost every innings. His mode of dismissal has been 1) Try to play one to the third man and get out in slips 2) Try to hit out and get out near the boundary 3) Take rash singles and get run out

And this has been occurring CONSISDAMNTENTLY. It shows Umar is a poor learner while Kohli is quick to rectify his mistakes

A better comparison would be Kohli and Shahzad who i predict will be a surprise rockstar in this WC. I am really rooting this guy to make huge scores over the next month. Lets see
 
lol...back to this thread

virat kohli...miles superior

but that is because umar has been mishandeled...both are very talented
 
Who the heck is this Kohli guy?

The minnow basher who scored a century against BD? :umarakmal
 
umar akmal has talent but not consistency if is given some more pressure of getting out of the team he might preform better even better than kholi in the future
 
Look at the Indian team. And you see a lot of their new batsmen have graduated from their under 19 set up. They saw early talent and ensured it was harness. Its no coincidence that guys like Raina and Kohli are reaping their rewards now because they were properly looked after. Kohli was captain of the u19 team just 3 years ago and is probably the world's best young batsmen.

Then there is Pakistan. A team full of bowlers which would make other countries just jealous. Look at all the names we have misused or not handled properly Fawad Alam, Sarfraz Ahmed, Akthar Ayub, Jamshed Ahmed, Anwar Ali, Mansoor Amjad. All these guys being world cup winners, but out of that list, only 1 has got a consistent run in the team (if you want to call Fawad's chances that).

As for this debate, there is no debate. Kohli currently is miles ahead of Umar.
 
Kohli is a very talented batsman but don't under estimate Umar, once he find his rhythm back, he is a player to watch.
 
Brothers Virat Kohi is 22 and our Umar is 20 we will see after 2 years wen umar is 22
 
mastermind_quad said:
and how many match in this WC he played ....???
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One match against bangladesh which is considered a minnow by many Akmal fans ; What i am trying to say kohli scored a century against a minnow whereas umar akmal couldn't against the same minnow on whom Kohli scored 1.
 
Muhammad Waleed said:
One match against bangladesh which is considered a minnow by many Akmal fans ; What i am trying to say kohli scored a century against a minnow whereas umar akmal couldn't against the same minnow on whom Kohli scored 1.
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yep ..but still that will be considered as Warm-up ...

btw u r correct but this is not good for both of them to be compared after every match..
 
Afridi_Fan said:
Who the heck is this Kohli guy?

The minnow basher who scored a century against BD? :umarakmal
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bilkul saheeh farmaya aap ne, sir :D



Umer's show is still to begin guys so relax.He was out of form for a short period and slowly he has gained good batting form against NZ and will surprise you many.
 
kohli had temperament and ego issuses like akmal when he started there was an article on cricinfo about it. Umar has more shots and talent but as said before no brain and is in danger of becoming another afridi. afridi has stats like jacob oram when he could have had them near garry sobers level if he did justice to his talent.

virat does massive justice to his talent now. it will be interesting to see umar in 2 years time but honestly i have a feeling he might not get there.
 
Afridi_Fan said:
Who the heck is this Kohli guy?

The minnow basher who scored a century against BD? :umarakmal
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Not too long ago, a player from pakistan made his return to Test matches.
First ball was it when he decided he gonna get out when team was tottering ?? And after the return match he declared he aint fit for test team ?

The cheek u have mate.
 
btw.. with whom did Virat kohli had verbal confrontation with while playing against BD yesterday ?
Any details regarding the same would be appreciated.
 
Afridi_Fan said:
Who the heck is this Kohli guy?

The minnow basher who scored a century against BD? :umarakmal
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yea just look at these people hyping this minnow bashing FTB. We wont rate him until he scores a few hundreds against Australia and RSA. You just cant be called a class player if you dont score well against Aus, RSA :moyo :inzi no matter what the stats say :moyo :inzi
 
Looney said:
Yeh Kohli humka de de Thakur :moyo
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Naahi Gabbar..
E kohli hum toka kabhi naahi de sakat.. humri team mein e chokrey ki bahut jaroorat hai.



Btw.. what was that arguement of kohli and BD spinner all abt.. will somebody clarify ?
 
spiron said:
Naahi Gabbar..
E kohli hum toka kabhi naahi de sakat.. humri team mein e chokrey ki bahut jaroorat hai.



Btw.. what was that arguement of kohli and BD spinner all abt.. will somebody clarify ?
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I believe it was Rubel, not a spinner. What I saw was Rubel bowled a nothing ball really, and Kohli trying to play a forcing shot on the off side, but mistimed it and the ball went nowhere. Rubel said something to him, and Kohli responded and sprayed back a couple of bhen****'s and Rubel didn't quite know what to do!

I didn't like Kohli's ego and attitude initially, but am becoming a fan, now that he's using that ego in a more constructive manner. As long as he keeps scoring runs, the attitude is fine.
 
Virat also good at some Maa-Bhain ! :D

Just saw the altercation with Rubel where he said - ............. ball daal chal !
 
Izzat karni hai toh Urdu mein karo..
Utaarni hai toh punjabi mein utaro.. and ofc Viraat wd know the words.. ;)

I personally believe members of Asia's cricketing fraternity shdnt involve in such antics.
Doesnt suits them and they shd play it like a Gentleman's game.

Ofcource with matches involving India and Pakistan, its gonna be pretty charged up situation but i have seen good behaviour in some of those matches as well.


Edit: btw.. where did u watched the altercation 'just now'..? some site has the recording of that incident or torrented ?
 
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Every one is forgetting that Umar is only 20. He isnt mature yet but I believe he will shine in the WC.
 
& btw, Umar Akmal is better than Kohli. Kohli is just in supreme form now which Umar was in. Let Kohli go through a bad patch and we'll see then.
 
^^ Then speak up if and when that happens.. why open your mouth now in desperation ?
And cant u use the edit button ?
 
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Mods quickly need to make this a fatal 4 way between Virat-Umar-Tamim-Bravo
 
Kohli is India's star of the future and the future Captain of the Indian team. This is one guy who has improved the most in the last one year in world cricket. When he burst on to the international scene he was arrogant and had an attitude and had this tendency to play a few reckless shots here ans there. In this last one year the improvements this guy has made in his game and more importantly in his attitude, have resulted in a completely different player. He looks completely assured against both spin and fast bowling and unlike some other Indian batsmen, he has absolutely no trouble against the short ball. He's a very classy player and is sure to get a Test spot in India's next Test series.
He's got a very bright future ahead of him.
 
Lets not hurry Kohli into test cricket before he consistently displays the good temparement that he shown for some more time.

He has shown that he is capable of handling success, but for a player at the test level, he needs to handle himself in the face of failure too. Its when things are not going your way, that true sportsmen display their character.

So let Kohli play for some more time at the ODI level before giving him a test chance as well
 
IMO both have the same talent level but umar is being misused by the team his talent is being wasted at number 6 he should bat at 3, also i think he doesnt work hard enough. Kohli will be a better player because he is handled properly and seems to be a hard worker. the emrgence of asad shafiq will make umar better i think if umar doesn't perform first few games asad needs to come in
 
ganeshran said:
So let Kohli play for some more time at the ODI level before giving him a test chance as well
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Exactly.

Kohli should be given a good 1-2 years in the ODI side, let him fully establish himself in the, gain some experience and see after a year or so if he is ready and good enough to be in the test side, there's no reason to rush him.

Similiar like Raina who played ODI cricket for 3-4 years and only just begun his test career.
 
Both Kohli and Umar are naturally talented players and there is no doubt about it. Kohli is of more class and more stability to the team. UmarAkmal has the talent but he has x factor which can go either way. Eitehr he will a super hit or become utterly flop in one match. thats the way it goes. So Kohli is more valuable at present and being handled and guided well by BCCI where as Umar Akmal not doing justice to the talent he posseses.
 
Must say I am amazed by the audacity of Pakistani supporters to even compare the two.....

TALENT...that word should be banned from all kinds of cricket....I think Talent in the context of cricket means to have great hand-eye coordination, ability to play unusual strokes (again indicative of a great eye), play all around the wicket and not just be limited to the off or the leg side, hit big when required and rotate strike when needed....Talent is useless if not supported by a functioning brain.....

We Pakistanis are obsessed with TALENTED players...its a never ending romance....We love to see players who can play unusual shots (paddle sweep to a fast bower, scoop shot, reverse sweep) and hit big......TALENT is overrated...only hardwork pays off....

Nobody has damaged Pakistan cricket more than Shahid Afridi (yes I like when he hits sixes..)...I think its astonishing that we have only produced 2 world class test batsmen since he came into Pakistani team in 1996....Yousaf and Younus....please tell me if I missed anyone...??....His colleagues watch him play and they want to play like him.....Nobody wants to work hard because hitting sixes is just easier and requires less thinking and give more pleasure...

Kohli is by far the superior player...he is elegant, mature and sensible.....Umar....What a joke? he is the BIGGEST disappointment of Pakistan cricket in 2010.....We know he can play but he somehow manages to find a brainless way to get out...his favourite mode of dismissal is getting bowled/caught while sweeping a fast bowler...its hillarious and tragic....its also surprising that the team management has not FORBIDDEN him to play that stupid shot...........no planning or focus in the way he plays......

My plea to the Pakistani followers is not to expect much from him....He WILL be inconsistent and he WILL continue to disappoint....yes he may play a Breathtaking inning once every two years but thats about it....
 
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Okay despite my obvious bias against India and Indians , Virat is one of my favorite current young players. He is a complete player and has a very good cricketing brain unlike Umar Akmal ( even comparing these too is unfair on Virat).
 
MO said:
Must say I am amazed by the audacity of Pakistani supporters to even compare the two.....

TALENT...that word should be banned from all kinds of cricket....I think Talent in the context of cricket means to have great hand-eye coordination, ability to play unusual strokes (again indicative of a great eye), play all around the wicket and not just be limited to the off or the leg side, hit big when required and rotate strike when needed....Talent is useless if not supported by a functioning brain.....

We Pakistanis are obsessed with TALENTED players...its a never ending romance....We love to see players who can play unusual shots (paddle sweep to a fast bower, scoop shot, reverse sweep) and hit big......TALENT is overrated...only hardwork pays off....

Nobody has damaged Pakistan cricket more than Shahid Afridi (yes I like when he hits sixes..)...I think its astonishing that we have only produced 2 world class test batsmen since he came into Pakistani team in 1996....Yousaf and Younus....please tell me if I missed anyone...??....His colleagues watch him play and they want to play like him.....Nobody wants to work hard because hitting sixes is just easier and requires less thinking and give more pleasure...

Kohli is by far the superior player...he is elegant, mature and sensible.....Umar....What a joke? he is the BIGGEST disappointment of Pakistan cricket in 2010.....We know he can play but he somehow manages to find a brainless way to get out...his favourite mode of dismissal is getting bowled/caught while sweeping a fast bowler...its hillarious and tragic....its also surprising that the team management has not FORBIDDEN him to play that stupid shot...........no planning or focus in the way he plays......

My plea to the Pakistani followers is not to expect much from him....He WILL be inconsistent and he WILL continue to disappoint....yes he may play a Breathtaking inning once every two years but thats about it....
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The bold underline part is where I would like to add, rest I 110% agree with.

The root cause of this not Shahid Afridi, its the tape ball batting culture that has taken out the concept of rotating strike, play elegant strokes, enjoy a solid defense, play mind games with the bowlers and frustrate the fielders equally. And Shahid Afridi is the VERY product of this BATTING CULTURE !!


Look back in the history. We had a lot less cricket played in early 70's in Pakistan but we produced greats like The Muhammad brothers, the elegant Majid Khan, the street fighter Miandad, runs making machines Abbas etc.
And now Quantity has taken over quality. Cricket is played in every single street of Pakistan. EVERYONE is playing cricket but we are unable to produce solid batsmen. .. u know why? Its the Tape ball cricket !!

This is the laanut that has plagued the mindset and batting approach of our kids right at the start of their cricket careers. There is no concept of cheeky singles, rotating the strike, elegant stroke making, defense etc .... just SLOG. This mindset is evident when our batsmen are put against a good line length bowling. They can't get those lose deliveries to be hit our boundaries and immediately start going into panic after a few good balls are bowled. A boundary is not hit so the batsmen feels like being caught like a deer in the headlights.

Did you see that after Qadir, Saqlain, we are unable to produce a world class spinner, u know why? because there is no concept of spin bowling in tape ball so youngsters NEVER get exposed to the charm of spin bowling.

Indians were lucky that instead of tape ball, they moved to hard tennis ball in street cricket. This ball is actually heavier than a regular cricket ball and does not spoil the batting approach like tape ball does.

I have been saying this for the last 5 years or so. PCB should launch a program where young emerging batsmen (around the age of 14) should be pooled up in a large group and these youngsters MUST be banned from playing any kind of tape ball cricket and any level IF they wanted to play for national squad. Just get them play and practice with regular hard bowler. We should train these kids to become solid batsmen. There is another thread where I have laid down the strategy of how this should be done. I will pull that out later and post it here to discuss.

Again, Afridi is only a product of this batting culture. We have to root out the root cause or else, taking Afridi out of the picture won't solve the problem. Its in our blood now.
 
Decipher said:
The bold underline part is where I would like to add, rest I 110% agree with.

The root cause of this not Shahid Afridi, its the tape ball batting culture that has taken out the concept of rotating strike, play elegant strokes, enjoy a solid defense, play mind games with the bowlers and frustrate the fielders equally. And Shahid Afridi is the VERY product of this BATTING CULTURE !!


Look back in the history. We had a lot less cricket played in early 70's in Pakistan but we produced greats like The Muhammad brothers, the elegant Majid Khan, the street fighter Miandad, runs making machines Abbas etc.
And now Quantity has taken over quality. Cricket is played in every single street of Pakistan. EVERYONE is playing cricket but we are unable to produce solid batsmen. .. u know why? Its the Tape ball cricket !!

This is the laanut that has plagued the mindset and batting approach of our kids right at the start of their cricket careers. There is no concept of cheeky singles, rotating the strike, elegant stroke making, defense etc .... just SLOG. This mindset is evident when our batsmen are put against a good line length bowling. They can't get those lose deliveries to be hit our boundaries and immediately start going into panic after a few good balls are bowled. A boundary is not hit so the batsmen feels like being caught like a deer in the headlights.

Did you see that after Qadir, Saqlain, we are unable to produce a world class spinner, u know why? because there is no concept of spin bowling in tape ball so youngsters NEVER get exposed to the charm of spin bowling.

Indians were lucky that instead of tape ball, they moved to hard tennis ball in street cricket. This ball is actually heavier than a regular cricket ball and does not spoil the batting approach like tape ball does.

I have been saying this for the last 5 years or so. PCB should launch a program where young emerging batsmen (around the age of 14) should be pooled up in a large group and these youngsters MUST be banned from playing any kind of tape ball cricket and any level IF they wanted to play for national squad. Just get them play and practice with regular hard bowler. We should train these kids to become solid batsmen. There is another thread where I have laid down the strategy of how this should be done. I will pull that out later and post it here to discuss.

Again, Afridi is only a product of this batting culture. We have to root out the root cause or else, taking Afridi out of the picture won't solve the problem. Its in our blood now.
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But then if we take out tapeball cricket then we will no longer be able to produce fast bowlers on almost every street of pakistan.
IMO the biggest problem is the corruption, PCB and domestic cricket.
Clean out cricket, Hire a Chairman who has a vision of improving Pakistan Cricket as a whole, hire foreign coaches (difficult) for domestic teams, follow a system
 
Hando said:
But then if we take out tapeball cricket then we will no longer be able to produce fast bowlers on almost every street of pakistan.
IMO the biggest problem is the corruption, PCB and domestic cricket.
Clean out cricket, Hire a Chairman who has a vision of improving Pakistan Cricket as a whole, hire foreign coaches (difficult) for domestic teams, follow a system
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I was just about to add that. Tape ball has played a direct role in our production line of fast bowling talent. No two ways about it.
 
Decipher said:
The bold underline part is where I would like to add, rest I 110% agree with.

The root cause of this not Shahid Afridi, its the tape ball batting culture that has taken out the concept of rotating strike, play elegant strokes, enjoy a solid defense, play mind games with the bowlers and frustrate the fielders equally. And Shahid Afridi is the VERY product of this BATTING CULTURE !!


Look back in the history. We had a lot less cricket played in early 70's in Pakistan but we produced greats like The Muhammad brothers, the elegant Majid Khan, the street fighter Miandad, runs making machines Abbas etc.
And now Quantity has taken over quality. Cricket is played in every single street of Pakistan. EVERYONE is playing cricket but we are unable to produce solid batsmen. .. u know why? Its the Tape ball cricket !!

This is the laanut that has plagued the mindset and batting approach of our kids right at the start of their cricket careers. There is no concept of cheeky singles, rotating the strike, elegant stroke making, defense etc .... just SLOG. This mindset is evident when our batsmen are put against a good line length bowling. They can't get those lose deliveries to be hit our boundaries and immediately start going into panic after a few good balls are bowled. A boundary is not hit so the batsmen feels like being caught like a deer in the headlights.

Did you see that after Qadir, Saqlain, we are unable to produce a world class spinner, u know why? because there is no concept of spin bowling in tape ball so youngsters NEVER get exposed to the charm of spin bowling.

Indians were lucky that instead of tape ball, they moved to hard tennis ball in street cricket. This ball is actually heavier than a regular cricket ball and does not spoil the batting approach like tape ball does.

I have been saying this for the last 5 years or so. PCB should launch a program where young emerging batsmen (around the age of 14) should be pooled up in a large group and these youngsters MUST be banned from playing any kind of tape ball cricket and any level IF they wanted to play for national squad. Just get them play and practice with regular hard bowler. We should train these kids to become solid batsmen. There is another thread where I have laid down the strategy of how this should be done. I will pull that out later and post it here to discuss.

Again, Afridi is only a product of this batting culture. We have to root out the root cause or else, taking Afridi out of the picture won't solve the problem. Its in our blood now.
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I agree...playing with tape ball doesn't allow young batsmen to develop proper technique and mindset.....I think we have discussed the ill-effects of tape ball cricket to some length in the past.....PCB should take the burden of the blame here.......However it only take one generation of cricketers to sort this out....I also believe that role models like Tendulkar can inspire a young mind......unfortunately people like Afridi also inspire our young generation.....I look at Shahzaib and can't help but feel sorry for him......He has no chance of developing into something substantial.....
 
Earlier in this thread I mentioned that Akmal is not even in the same league as Kohli. Akmal is ranked 42 and kohli is ranked 2nd in the world Akmal is ranked about 10 places below Ryan Ten douchete of Neatherlands. So Akmal should be compared to likes to Ten Douche.

From current form and performances, Akmal is not even in the same league as Ten Douchate. Akmal should only be compared with sloggers like Afridi, Harbhajan or Murali.
 
Decipher said:
Indians were lucky that instead of tape ball, they moved to hard tennis ball in street cricket. This ball is actually heavier than a regular cricket ball and does not spoil the batting approach like tape ball does.
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It has both pluses and minuses. Yes, we produce batting geniuses regularly, but the bowling marvels produced by tape-ball galli cricket are unmatched.
 
ZenBowman said:
It has both pluses and minuses. Yes, we produce batting geniuses regularly, but the bowling marvels produced by tape-ball galli cricket are unmatched.
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Tape ball may support in producing pace bowlers but I think it also has something to do with having a lot of passion and fire in the belly; however, the hard fact is, pace bowlers will slowly be a protected to diminished specie.
Astronomical amount of cricket has broken the back of already injury prone pacers and then all these pro batsmen ridiculous modern day cricket rules like no ball free hit, one bouncer per over, over the head wide ball etc on grave yard of wickets have taken away the charm of pace bowling.

I mean these kids watch a pace bowler running 25 yards, comes dashing in the delivery stride in a T20 game and gets thrashed for 3 boundaries and a six in a 65 yards ground,,, who wants to be a pace bowler anymore ??
 
cricketfan2010 said:
Earlier in this thread I mentioned that Akmal is not even in the same league as Kohli. Akmal is ranked 42 and kohli is ranked 2nd in the world Akmal is ranked about 10 places below Ryan Ten douchete of Neatherlands. So Akmal should be compared to likes to Ten Douche.

From current form and performances, Akmal is not even in the same league as Ten Douchate. Akmal should only be compared with sloggers like Afridi, Harbhajan or Murali.
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Wait and see - he will be smacking a 50 ball hundred agianst Kenya tomorrow;-)
 
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Sir,can we have your thoughts on Umar's knock??Match winning.This is how he would have smashed minnows on these dead pitches if he had played on these pitches.
 
MO said:
Must say I am amazed by the audacity of Pakistani supporters to even compare the two.....

TALENT...that word should be banned from all kinds of cricket....I think Talent in the context of cricket means to have great hand-eye coordination, ability to play unusual strokes (again indicative of a great eye), play all around the wicket and not just be limited to the off or the leg side, hit big when required and rotate strike when needed....Talent is useless if not supported by a functioning brain.....

We Pakistanis are obsessed with TALENTED players...its a never ending romance....We love to see players who can play unusual shots (paddle sweep to a fast bower, scoop shot, reverse sweep) and hit big......TALENT is overrated...only hardwork pays off....

Nobody has damaged Pakistan cricket more than Shahid Afridi (yes I like when he hits sixes..)...I think its astonishing that we have only produced 2 world class test batsmen since he came into Pakistani team in 1996....Yousaf and Younus....please tell me if I missed anyone...??....His colleagues watch him play and they want to play like him.....Nobody wants to work hard because hitting sixes is just easier and requires less thinking and give more pleasure...

Kohli is by far the superior player...he is elegant, mature and sensible.....Umar....What a joke? he is the BIGGEST disappointment of Pakistan cricket in 2010.....We know he can play but he somehow manages to find a brainless way to get out...his favourite mode of dismissal is getting bowled/caught while sweeping a fast bowler...its hillarious and tragic....its also surprising that the team management has not FORBIDDEN him to play that stupid shot...........no planning or focus in the way he plays......

My plea to the Pakistani followers is not to expect much from him....He WILL be inconsistent and he WILL continue to disappoint....yes he may play a Breathtaking inning once every two years but thats about it....
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DUDE YOU HIT THE NAIL!! I was such a pathetic bowler with no pace in India as we used to play with heavy teniss ball.but after coming to Canada at age of 16, I started playing with tape ball and dude, I was bowling bullets by the time I was 19....but to tell you the truth, I was hundred time batsman when I was 15 in India than now..only thing I know is slog ..No more cover drives or V-area shots..
Tape ball is like a heaven for bowlers but its worst for batsmen!!
 
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