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Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

jusarrived said:
No one wants to be a bowler in India . Every kid wants to be a batsmen , so unlikely we will find any time soon . Hopes on Yadav & Aaron but thats too small a base to choose from .
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I think, few years back Indian punjab's people were crazy for hockey but now they moved to cricket, thats the area where we will see good indian fast bowlers pretty soon. For fast bowers you need a strong physique..

and cricket is also spreading in pakistan's northern areas so you can see even more quick fast bowlers from pakistan. I think both countries has better future... i am little worry about BD and SL in subcontinent.

We need strong subcontinent teams!
 
The kohli plays for India and hence better is such a weak and loserish argument. There is massive competition for places within Indian batsmen and a guy failing in 4-5 matches is always under the threat for being sidelined for good 2-3 years. Robin Uthappa, Manoj Tiwari, Rohit Sharma, Ajinkya Rahane, Badrinath, Pujara are all talented lads who haven't made it big. Champions make their own way, there in no external help. Rather you have opponents and haters in such a competitive batting culture just like bowling in Pakistan where some talented lads have missed out on int cricket but were still better than frontline trundlindians.


If anything, its a massive advantage for umar to be playing in pakistan where he takes his position, brain farts nd lipstick for granted.
 
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freelance_cricketer said:
The kohli plays for India and hence better is such a weak and loserish argument. There is massive competition for places within Indian batsmen and a guy failing in 4-5 matches is always under the threat for being sidelined for good 2-3 years. Robin Uthappa, Manoj Tiwari, Rohit Sharma, Ajinkya Rahane, Badrinath, Pujara are all talented lads who haven't made it big. Champions make their own way, there in no external help. Rather you have opponents and haters in such a competitive batting culture just like bowling in Pakistan where some talented lads have missed out on int cricket but were still better than frontline trundlindians.


If anything, its a massive advantage for umar to be playing in pakistan where he takes his position, brain farts nd lipstick for granted.
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good article!
 
Umer Akmal vs Virat Kohli

Umer akmal and virat kohli r both young exciting n talented players with almost the same potentials but still therz hell of a difference between their performances.....mainly becz umar akmal lacks the apropriate grooming and guidance.....mayb umer shud also play up the order like kohli at no 3.....that way he will feel more responsible n he will get time to play for a longer period n settle down.....it is the captainz n managements fault that such a talent is only being used as a basher!!!
 
Akmal is not good enough to rub Kohli's back side one is a batting genius aka Lara, Ponting the other is happy go slogger in the mould of Nazir, Pollard.
 
lack of orthodox cricketing strokes is Akmal's biggest issue and not the temperament as many people think.
 
Suddenly there's a rush of our fellow indian posters here.... Hmmm.... I wonder if they'l be here in defeats too. ;-)
 
one more thread?!?!?!!?whoa i'm getting tired of these comparisons...one is a top order accumulator and the other is a middle order game changer!where does the commonality arise?
 
Akmal and Kohli are very talented players....

Kohli has been nurtured and trained well by his coaches and has a lot of role models playing with him to look up to... He has done really well and is now a world class batsman...

Umar Akmal on the other hand. inspite of being as talented as Kohli, is part of an environment where to this day he is unsure as to his role... On top of that he is made to keep wickets... Has no role models in the current team to look up to... And has not been trained and coached properly at all...

The gulf between these two players is huge now and as such Kohli is a much better player than Umar Akmal...

Umar Akmal has a lot of potential but unfortunately the Pakistani team cannot manage him properly and he is being wasted...
 
usman.sandhu said:
Akmal and Kohli are very talented players....

Kohli has been nurtured and trained well by his coaches and has a lot of role models playing with him to look up to... He has done really well and is now a world class batsman...

Umar Akmal on the other hand. inspite of being as talented as Kohli, is part of an environment where to this day he is unsure as to his role... On top of that he is made to keep wickets... Has no role models in the current team to look up to... And has not been trained and coached properly at all...

The gulf between these two players is huge now and as such Kohli is a much better player than Umar Akmal...

Umar Akmal has a lot of potential but unfortunately the Pakistani team cannot manage him properly and he is being wasted...
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oh ffs that is the biggest myth. Kohli has more talent in his pinky finger then all the Akmals combined have in their whole bodies.
 
make kohli bat at 6 with tail as long as pakistan and then i will see....poeple need to understand they both play at different positions,

Kohli is an exciting talent never the less - treat to watch his shots
 
Fantastic player to watch.

I reckon he's the best player along with De Villiers at the moment.

Love watching his strokes not matter if I'm a Pakistan supporter or not. The boy will brake all sort of records.

Brilliant talent.
 
this kohli is gonna break sachins record

at 23 he already has 12 centuries

with modern day fitness levels this lad could play to 45
 
carbon11 said:
this kohli is gonna break sachins record

at 23 he already has 12 centuries

with modern day fitness levels this lad could play to 45
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And then there'll be threads here like 'Kohli is a selfish player who played only for records'.

How easy :facepalm:
 
Itachi said:
Suddenly there's a rush of our fellow indian posters here.... Hmmm.... I wonder if they'l be here in defeats too. ;-)
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No they wont, It is some time irritaing to see people come in wins and gloat and open threads like we are best fielding sidde, most humiliating win and stuff...and dissappear when we loose. The number of Indians during our england and aus tour were example of it..
 
style_guru said:
And then there'll be threads here like 'Kohli is a selfish player who played only for records'.

How easy :facepalm:
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unlike tendulkar of late kohli is more often than not winning matches for india

he has chased some big scores and for someone so young seem totally unfazed

totally remarkable how this kid has come on

just the test arena remains where he needs to prove it now and i think he will.
 
WHY COMPARE Kohli to Umar there is big difference in batting at 6 and someone batting at number 3 and someone with a world class batting line up with someone who has a rubbish batting line up. And umar still is at number 12 in the odi ranking would kohli be able to perform at number 6 no he wouldn't in the couple of games he played india were set for a big score but still he failed at number 6 dont compare them to there is big difference know kohli has been used properly and the results are in front of your face.
 
Amar786 said:
WHY COMPARE Kohli to Umar there is big difference in batting at 6 and someone batting at number 3 and someone with a world class batting line up with someone who has a rubbish batting line up. And umar still is at number 12 in the odi ranking would kohli be able to perform at number 6 no he wouldn't in the couple of games he played india were set for a big score but still he failed at number 6 dont compare them to there is big difference know kohli has been used properly and the results are in front of your face.
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So by your logic, UA should only be compared with a no. 6 batsman?

:facepalm: :facepalm:
 
Play Umar Akmal anywhere.

1 or 11.

Till he does not learn to control his brain farts, and his premeditated slogs,

He will never be even near Kohli's feet.
 
Amar786 said:
WHY COMPARE Kohli to Umar there is big difference in batting at 6 and someone batting at number 3 and someone with a world class batting line up with someone who has a rubbish batting line up. And umar still is at number 12 in the odi ranking would kohli be able to perform at number 6 no he wouldn't in the couple of games he played india were set for a big score but still he failed at number 6 dont compare them to there is big difference know kohli has been used properly and the results are in front of your face.
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for starters UA dosent have the technique to play up the order . you talk as if no3 is a easy position to bat on . Dhoni plays at no6 , check his avg and no of matches hes won for us .
 
jusarrived said:
for starters UA dosent have the technique to play up the order . you talk as if no3 is a easy position to bat on . Dhoni plays at no6 , check his avg and no of matches hes won for us .
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Dhoni is hitter umar akmal is a batsmen not a hitter like afridi.
 
style_guru said:
So by your logic, UA should only be compared with a no. 6 batsman?

:facepalm: :facepalm:
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No only when he bats up the order then you can compare two players when they have enough time on the crease then you can see how good they are and kohli has proved it but i want umar to bat up the order so you can see if he is good player or not.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Play Umar Akmal anywhere.

1 or 11.

Till he does not learn to control his brain farts, and his premeditated slogs,

He will never be even near Kohli's feet.
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When you come in with 10 overs ledt and the run rate at 4 and a half then you have to slog. And atleast he plays for pakistan not for himself and still got a good average and is at number 12 in the odi ranking unlike misbah, younis who have all the overs to bat and still cant score big.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Kohli is an overrated batsman .. will be found out on Antarctica
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kohli deserves to be praised because he has performed but has also been guided well unlike umar all i am saying why compare them to if you want to compare sachin and bradman or ponting or kallis.
 
ftbno1 said:
Who says that playing at 5/6 diminishes your talent.Sachin played at that spot for initial part of his career.Dhoni has come 5/6 for most part of his career and averages 51 in ODI.
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180 inniong with 50 not outs
 
carbon11 said:
this kohli is gonna break sachins record

at 23 he already has 12 centuries

with modern day fitness levels this lad could play to 45
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Thats useful because the only people who care about that made up record are Indians anway.

As a comment on UA, posters love to make excuses for him, he isnt managed properly, not coached properly etc. That would be valid if he had a clear technical flaw.

He doesn't. He has every shot in the book and very good technique.

Coach cant stop him slogging at the ball after he has hit one for a boundary, thats up to him only.
 
Appropriate time to bump this thread. Sometimes I feel sad after realizing how much Akmal has regressed over the years.
 
Abdul said:
Appropriate time to bump this thread. Sometimes I feel sad after realizing how much Akmal has regressed over the years.
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It cannot be helped I am afraid, the guy doesn't have a functioning cerebral cortex or any brain cells for that matter.
 
almost everyone on the first page is convinced that Akmal is far superior.
 
Pak fans often try to equate Umar Akmal with Ahmed Shehzad and say how they both wasted their talent. But its not true. If you look at neutral posters or experts they always rated Umar Akmal but hardly ever considered Shehzad. There was never any comparison.

Umar really had the tools to make it big and that is the tragedy.
 
Slog said:
Pak fans often try to equate Umar Akmal with Ahmed Shehzad and say how they both wasted their talent. But its not true. If you look at neutral posters or experts they always rated Umar Akmal but hardly ever considered Shehzad. There was never any comparison.

Umar really had the tools to make it big and that is the tragedy.
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Shehzad will always be a better test prospect than Umar. Umar is probably more physically gifted in terms of hand eye etc. but generally can't play a long proper innings. Limited as shehzad is, I still think he can score runs when he dies spend time at the crease. Not dynamic enough for LOIs though.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Kohli is an overrated batsman .. will be found out on Antarctica
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LOL.How both these 2 batsmen have proved people wrong over course of time! U Akmal doesn't even get into a no 8 ranked ODI side!Whereas Kohli is a nightmere of bowlers all around the world, averaging 50 or more in every format of the game,the main propeller of a top ranked ODI and test side.
 
Mainul said:
LOL.How both these 2 batsmen have proved people wrong over course of time! U Akmal doesn't even get into a no 8 ranked ODI side!Whereas Kohli is a nightmere of bowlers all around the world, averaging 50 or more in every format of the game,the main propeller of a top ranked ODI and test side.
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Yah Yah Humbled :facepalm:
 
Here's some bitter truth for Pakpassion'ers.

Umar Akmal was never supremely talented in the first place. I'm sorry but no, he isn't the most talented player we've had in the last 25 years. No, he's not even the most talented player we've had in recent times. And for the last time, no, he was never comparable to Virat Kohli. A couple of fluke innings at the start of his career don't make him the best player we have. His ODI career of a 100 matches, after his debut series has had nothing noteworthy.

I disagree with most posters and fans who are depressed of his "regression" as a cricketer because he was never talented in the first place. Its not like he had some super start to his career. A century in his second match and nothing else after that except a few innings where he "dominated" weak or struggling units trying to reorganize themselves with a couple of 50's. How many cricketers have we seen with brilliant starts to their careers? Yasir Hameed, Elahi to name a few. Why don't they get the attention he does? Even Fawad Alam and Azhar Ali who averaged close to 50?

Even Ahmed Shehzad has had a much more illustrious ODI career and yet Umar Akmal is considered leaps and bounds ahead of him. Umar Akmal's entire career has been nothing but whining, blaming, crying, cheating, refusing to participate in fitness sessions, refusing to give his fitness importance and disrupting the unity.

Sure, you can compare two batsmen but frankly, I would even rate Ahmed Shehzad a better batsman and its high time we accept that he didn't live up to his "expectations" because we were wrong to associate expectations with him the first place. He never had the talent, the skill, the composure or the hunger. He's fine being a below average player and making money off of his odd-fluke innings in Twenty20 competitions.

I'm not advocating for him to dropped, honestly, I don't even care about whatever happens in the Pakistan squad anymore. I've been nonchalant but I just want everyone to accept the fact that he was never a good player anyway and see the reality.
 
Mainul said:
LOL.How both these 2 batsmen have proved people wrong over course of time! U Akmal doesn't even get into a no 8 ranked ODI side!Whereas Kohli is a nightmere of bowlers all around the world, averaging 50 or more in every format of the game,the main propeller of a top ranked ODI and test side.
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BTW how did you miss the sarcasm? It was almost impossible :D
 
Umar Akmal has some real ability, or at least had. What he lacks is the fitness, determination and bloody mindedness of Kohli. Also the thing between his 2 ears.
 
Garuda said:
Umar Akmal was supposed to be Next Tendulkar. :P

Now comparing him with Virat Kohli???

On a serious note:

Currently, Umar has established himself more in the international arena. Due to
1. Not so strong batting line up of Pak team.
2. Performed very well during first few series of his career.
3. Kohli getting his chances only when someone is not available in Indian team.
4. Kohli not shown something big against major teams except SL and BD.

However, I like the attitude to improve in Kohli than Akmal. Akmal is not showing any signs of getting better than what he was and doesn't look like a learner of the game as they say. Where as Kohli is taking his career very seriously as he knows how difficult it is to get into this batting line up.

Dhoni should give more chance to Kohli than Rohit/Jadeja as the later ones look lazy and without right attitude.
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Good prophecy
 
Tbf Kohli had a drive but was also pretty unfit (in his own words) till Duncan became the coach.

Akmal had a chance under Arthur to improve his fitness and attitude,seems like he is almost done with InTl cricket.
All hopes on Babar now.
 
Zedman said:
Sorry but Umar Akmal is completely rubbish. You know the reasons why...said it a zillion times. Temperament. Technique. Shot Range. No Brains.
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You are a legend! Got it pretty right way back in 2010 when Umar was on fire.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Shehzad will always be a better test prospect than Umar. Umar is probably more physically gifted in terms of hand eye etc. but generally can't play a long proper innings. Limited as shehzad is, I still think he can score runs when he dies spend time at the crease. Not dynamic enough for LOIs though.
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No. Shehzad's technique doesn't allow him to withstand against Good fast bowlers.


His Test Stats are ok because of UAE Phattaz. Found out pretty much elsewhere.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Here's some bitter truth for Pakpassion'ers.

Umar Akmal was never supremely talented in the first place. I'm sorry but no, he isn't the most talented player we've had in the last 25 years. No, he's not even the most talented player we've had in recent times. And for the last time, no, he was never comparable to Virat Kohli. A couple of fluke innings at the start of his career don't make him the best player we have. His ODI career of a 100 matches, after his debut series has had nothing noteworthy.

I disagree with most posters and fans who are depressed of his "regression" as a cricketer because he was never talented in the first place. Its not like he had some super start to his career. A century in his second match and nothing else after that except a few innings where he "dominated" weak or struggling units trying to reorganize themselves with a couple of 50's. How many cricketers have we seen with brilliant starts to their careers? Yasir Hameed, Elahi to name a few. Why don't they get the attention he does? Even Fawad Alam and Azhar Ali who averaged close to 50?

Even Ahmed Shehzad has had a much more illustrious ODI career and yet Umar Akmal is considered leaps and bounds ahead of him. Umar Akmal's entire career has been nothing but whining, blaming, crying, cheating, refusing to participate in fitness sessions, refusing to give his fitness importance and disrupting the unity.

Sure, you can compare two batsmen but frankly, I would even rate Ahmed Shehzad a better batsman and its high time we accept that he didn't live up to his "expectations" because we were wrong to associate expectations with him the first place. He never had the talent, the skill, the composure or the hunger. He's fine being a below average player and making money off of his odd-fluke innings in Twenty20 competitions.

I'm not advocating for him to dropped, honestly, I don't even care about whatever happens in the Pakistan squad anymore. I've been nonchalant but I just want everyone to accept the fact that he was never a good player anyway and see the reality.
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POTW. Couldn't said better than this.
 
JaDed said:
Tbf Kohli had a drive but was also pretty unfit (in his own words) till Duncan became the coach.

Akmal had a chance under Arthur to improve his fitness and attitude,seems like he is almost done with InTl cricket.
All hopes on Babar now.
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But [MENTION=142795]zyrus[/MENTION] said that fitness is not only detrimental to cricketing skill but will also cause Parkinson's disease and multiple sclerosis.

Man, I don't know who to believe here...
 
AZ said:
:)) Kohli is a do takkey ka player

Umar Akmal is ten trillion times better than him, it's doesnt seem that way because he can't get a stats boost on paratha wickets like Kohli babu
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mastermind_quad said:
Bhai u haven't seen Kohli batting ...i think ....:) ...atleast he is of not do taaka ...;-)
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AZ said:
I have seen him a lot actually.
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AZ said:
look how highly Cricinfo rates Kohli : http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting

:)) :))
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AZ said:
lool, and like I mentioned before, you're execting Umar Akmal to average 50 in his early 20's? what was Sachin's avg. in his formative years?
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Lesson learnt. Never ever speak bad of others. You never know what's in store for the future.

On topic, it really saddens me to see what Umar Akmal has become. He was once compared to freaking Kohli. He should have done something really special :(
 
its now a cardinal sin type of thing to even talk abt both of them in once sentence... where as kholi is a big whale, u.akmal is a tumour that will kill any team he is in....
 
Scary as it sounds today, way back in 2009 i was convinced Umar Akmal was a superior talent compared to Kohli. Currently i'd probably take a dozen Bangladeshi and about half a dozen Afghanistani batsmen over him. The guy can't be relied upon.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Scary as it sounds today, way back in 2009 i was convinced Umar Akmal was a superior talent compared to Kohli. Currently i'd probably take a dozen Bangladeshi and about half a dozen Afghanistani batsmen over him. The guy can't be relied upon.
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As a talent UA was superior,even Rohit was more talented than Kohli,don't think anyone has called Kohli talented, just had more hunger and better work ethic,even initially it was harder for him to get into the team.
 
JaDed said:
As a talent UA was superior,even Rohit was more talented than Kohli,don't think anyone has called Kohli talented, just had more hunger and better work ethic,even initially it was harder for him to get into the team.
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He has amazing talent of keeping the ball down and finding the gap which surpasses anything Rohit has. I dunno why people still think flashy shots in air and sixes is what defines talent. Kohli's wrist work, his placement, his assessing every ball is talent way beyond Rohit's. Reading this forum it seems like talent is only hitting ball in the air, Kohli has 2, 3 shots for every ball depending on the field
 
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Indiafan said:
He has amazing talent of keeping the ball down and finding the gap which surpasses anything Rohit has. I dunno why people still think flashy shots in air and sixes is what defines talent. Kohli's wrist work, his placement, his assessing every ball is talent way beyond Rohit's. Reading this forum it seems like talent is only hitting ball in the air, Kohli has 2, 3 shots for every ball depending on the field
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Just to add, every shot Umar or Rohit can play, Kohli can do too as he has shown in IPL. He just chooses not to, to cut out the risk
 
Indiafan said:
He has amazing talent of keeping the ball down and finding the gap which surpasses anything Rohit has. I dunno why people still think flashy shots in air and sixes is what defines talent. Kohli's wrist work, his placement, his assessing every ball is talent way beyond Rohit's. Reading this forum it seems like talent is only hitting ball in the air, Kohli has 2, 3 shots for every ball depending on the field
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Well said. Agree with this.
 
This will turn out like the Wasim Akram and Irfan Pathan comparison in a few more years.
 
I think I need to post at lest once in this legendary thread.

Don't count out Chota yet. Kholee's fortuitous purple patch may be over already.
 
JaDed said:
As a talent UA was superior,even Rohit was more talented than Kohli,don't think anyone has called Kohli talented, just had more hunger and better work ethic,even initially it was harder for him to get into the team.
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What a joke!

Kohli is ridiculously gifted. Hard work doesn't turn a donkey into a warhorse.
 
Indiafan said:
He has amazing talent of keeping the ball down and finding the gap which surpasses anything Rohit has. I dunno why people still think flashy shots in air and sixes is what defines talent. Kohli's wrist work, his placement, his assessing every ball is talent way beyond Rohit's. Reading this forum it seems like talent is only hitting ball in the air, Kohli has 2, 3 shots for every ball depending on the field
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Fair enough.

freelance_cricketer said:
What a joke!

Kohli is ridiculously gifted. Hard work doesn't turn a donkey into a warhorse.
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Don't think so.
 
Arham_PakFan said:
What a thread.Akmal has turned into a joke while Kohli is already a LOI ATG.
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So had many in the last 3-5 years. Pak ppers made many ATG and they turned joke. Most ppers don't have patience to wait for 3/4 years to hype anyone and after that most turned into joke. Anyone just comes into scene ,all pak posters like 'he is better than that ATG' ,' he is the best' etc. After one year they want him to kick out of the team. Rediculous ppera. Now the hype begins with some Hasan Ali. After one year this same ppers will call him garbage i am sure. Not players,Some ppers are joke to overhype any new one.
 
Indiafan said:
He has amazing talent of keeping the ball down and finding the gap which surpasses anything Rohit has. I dunno why people still think flashy shots in air and sixes is what defines talent. Kohli's wrist work, his placement, his assessing every ball is talent way beyond Rohit's. Reading this forum it seems like talent is only hitting ball in the air, Kohli has 2, 3 shots for every ball depending on the field
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excellent observations. He is so good for selecting the right ball and right shot.
 
I don't think this was ever a close comparison. Kohli was always ahead. Once kohli started taking fitness seriously, he left Akmal for dust.
 
aniket1911 said:
Back in 2010, this was some Nostradamus level prediction. well done! :14:
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Not the most difficult prediction tbh . Cant think of one thing which was wrong about his batting even back then . I dont know why anyone would think he UA or Rohit where more talented than him , they never where half as good .
 
Syed1 said:
I'm surprised Indians haven't already declared Bumrah better than Akram :91:
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I don't think Indians do that anymore, we have moved beyond that as our team has improved and is more confident. The days of comparison with pak players, the violent Indian fans, etc are long over.
 
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