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Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

jnaveen1980 said:
Applicable to bowlers as well. Many bowlers fizzle out after a while.
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True, true. I started out on this forum when Aizaz Cheema was the next big thing, and it's only been a revolving door since.
 
Is there any chance umar akmal return to international cricket? He is great talent and comeback is possible for him
 
Varun said:
This thread is proof that Pakistani batsmen peak during their first year, after which it's an inevitable downhill slide.

Time to watch Babar Azam closely, and the guy that follows. And then the guy after that.
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Babar Azam's stats are not that impressive considering that they have been inflated by hammering WI and a third string World XI. In tests he is absolutely sub par batsman.
 
This thread exists? :uak

Were Kohli and Umar at same stage of their career when the thread was started? Just curious. Kohli has really rocketed from that position.
 
Markhor said:
The Akmal fans will still argue that Akmal would've been the next Kohli had it not been for evil Misbah/Waqar/PCB/whoever.

One guy works like an animal on all aspects of his game and trains like no tomorrow. The other guy was too busy blaming everyone else and uploading selfies onto Twitter.
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Dont forget the Water :uak
 
Gulf of Gold said:
Umar Akmal over Virat Kohli.......................anyday.
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Red Devil said:
Umar Akmal by a long shot
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AZ said:
if all your future Tests are in India and against Bangladesh and SL, then yeah he is Test class.
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Usman Chadda said:
Not seen anything special in Kohli. Hasn't done much against the big guns and I doubt will get a chance any time soon due to India's strong batting line-up. Umar's recent form shouldn't overshadow the fact that this guy took on arguably one of the fastest pace attack (Tait, Nannes, Johnson) and deposited them to all corners of the ground. You need special talent to do that! Kinda expected him to get bamboozled by the English conditions, specially since he wouldn't have experienced such exaggerated movement so far in his career
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Maula Jutt said:
Umar Akmal will go through ups and downs in his career, but he is destined for greatness. Despite the lows his performance has hit recently, I still rate him and Amir to be the best things to come out of Pak cricket lately and both will go on to make a great name for themselves in world cricket.
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It's funny how these posters hyped up :uakmal and now are taking U turn :kohli
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I’m not really an extremist but anyone who needlessly bumps this irrelevant thread should be punished for trolling and spamming.

To put it straight it was not just the Pakistanis who thought Umar Akmal was the next Sachin but many of us neutral fans thought the same. In their first year in international cricket Umar was clearly above Kohli. No doubt he needed to do far more work on his game and attitude than he did at a time when he was busy choosing which lipstick is to be worn the next match to look like the funniest clown in the world but it is also true that the unprofessional Pakistani set up as well as some awful and useless seniors contributed too in him not growing enough

Kohli on the other hand was never the batsman he is today. Go watch his clips from 2005 maybe, he just had a good foundation like Umar did but had a much better work attitude and was blessed to have played with exceptional men like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble etc who taught him professionalism and helped him grow as a player. Compare that to the illiterate chikoo tindey Umar played with.

It’s not something to laugh at. To me Umar Akmal’s story remains one of the saddest and most regretful. So I would judge you if you act indecently over it.
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many people correctly predicted Kohlis rise. That is because not everyone thinka hitting big sixes or in the air is talent
 
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I love these kind of threads because a couple of years down the line, it gives you the knowledge of whose views you should not take seriously. Exposing a lot of cricket experts. :P
 
ethan hunt said:
the way chotta akmal smashed bond all around the park in his first test and smashed the likes of siddle ,, i always knew he was a superior talent. kohli is still a good player imo but chotta will b more successful in all three forms of the game
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No words.
 
[MENTION=1650]Usman Chadda[/MENTION] umar must be legend according to you, Some expert you are😉, Special talent umar like faheem who took hat-trick against SL.
 
indipper said:
We thought he had both gears. He won us a game with gritty 30+ against WI where all others were failing. We couldnt see that he dont have the other gear.
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I can’t never forget that gritty 30+vs wi. Showed maturity when everyone was failing and wi did bowl really well to him. Umar akmal is sadly finished
 
Hitman said:
You crystal ball is amazing.
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Haha thanks .
Not the most difficult prediction to make , I was just confident he would be great bat and considering the other options india would have once Dhoni steps down , thought Virat would take over .

I still remember that cover drive he played in the U-19 WC against NZ ( think it was Tim Southee bowling ) and thinking this guy had everything right about his batting for a 18 year old . Every one is going gaga over how Shubnam has done , who I agree is good , but Virat was a level above .
 
jusarrived said:
Haha thanks .
Not the most difficult prediction to make , I was just confident he would be great bat and considering the other options india would have once Dhoni steps down , thought Virat would take over .

I still remember that cover drive he played in the U-19 WC against NZ ( think it was Tim Southee bowling ) and thinking this guy had everything right about his batting for a 18 year old . Every one is going gaga over how Shubnam has done , who I agree is good , but Virat was a level above .
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You don't have to thank anyone. You made that prediction on your own, not like I helped you on that :))
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I’m not really an extremist but anyone who needlessly bumps this irrelevant thread should be punished for trolling and spamming.

To put it straight it was not just the Pakistanis who thought Umar Akmal was the next Sachin but many of us neutral fans thought the same. In their first year in international cricket Umar was clearly above Kohli. No doubt he needed to do far more work on his game and attitude than he did at a time when he was busy choosing which lipstick is to be worn the next match to look like the funniest clown in the world but it is also true that the unprofessional Pakistani set up as well as some awful and useless seniors contributed too in him not growing enough

Kohli on the other hand was never the batsman he is today. Go watch his clips from 2005 maybe, he just had a good foundation like Umar did but had a much better work attitude and was blessed to have played with exceptional men like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble etc who taught him professionalism and helped him grow as a player. Compare that to the illiterate chikoo tindey Umar played with.

It’s not something to laugh at. To me Umar Akmal’s story remains one of the saddest and most regretful. So I would judge you if you act indecently over it.
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lol no way , they where never at par let alone him being above Virat.
There was never a comparison between these two players , two very very different kind of batsmen .
I have repeated this 100 times about Akmal , his technique was questionable . He was a gifted timer of the ball as good as Virat in that regard , but that huge gap between bat and pad which means playing away from body and limited array of strokes which means you can only score when its in your zone . I watched his first 100 in NZ , he was scoring only of square cuts and leg side slogs with his foot rooted, basically when he was allowed to free his arms and ball pitched up . it was bound to get exposed at some point . On the other hand , Virat never favoured one side , equally strong both on front and back foot. He has every shot in the book .
if there was any advantage of coaching Virat has had , it was not after he joined the indian team it had to be much before when he was 10-14 years old .
Umar was never going to be a Virat/Tendulkar kind of batsmen , but with good work ethics he could have been more like Raina , but unfortunately did not have the pressure game and it was easy for bowlers to choke him .

Pakistan did one mistake of not opening with him once the realised he was not a finisher, I think he would have enjoyed the playing in the power plays and won matches for Pakistan .
 
Indiafan said:
People who admired umar akmals talent are same who think rohit is more talented than kohli. Basically if you can cow lash couple of huge sixes you are talented. Keeping the ball on the ground, picking gaps, temprament to build long innings, understanding and predicting what the bowler will bowl are not skills or talents
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Exactly , Rohit is just marginally better than Akmal imo . I say that cos of his game against short ball , but otherwise he will get exposed if you send him down the order where hes expected to find gaps and take singles every ball . The art of building an innings is really underrated , batsmen with limited array of shots struggle to do it .
 
jusarrived said:
Exactly , Rohit is just marginally better than Akmal imo . I say that cos of his game against short ball , but otherwise he will get exposed if you send him down the order where hes expected to find gaps and take singles every ball . The art of building an innings is really underrated , batsmen with limited array of shots struggle to do it .
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Rohit has three double centuries and some massive scores in Australia yet you say he is only marginally better than Umar Akmal?
 
Garuda said:
Umar Akmal was supposed to be Next Tendulkar. :P

Now comparing him with Virat Kohli???

On a serious note:

Currently, Umar has established himself more in the international arena. Due to
1. Not so strong batting line up of Pak team.
2. Performed very well during first few series of his career.
3. Kohli getting his chances only when someone is not available in Indian team.
4. Kohli not shown something big against major teams except SL and BD.

However, I like the attitude to improve in Kohli than Akmal. Akmal is not showing any signs of getting better than what he was and doesn't look like a learner of the game as they say. Where as Kohli is taking his career very seriously as he knows how difficult it is to get into this batting line up.

Dhoni should give more chance to Kohli than Rohit/Jadeja as the later ones look lazy and without right attitude.
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This guy should be given a special award here.
Perfectly anaylzed the pakistani duffer and indian genius even it was Aug 2010.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Rohit has three double centuries and some massive scores in Australia yet you say he is only marginally better than Umar Akmal?
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I mentioned his game against Short pitch bowling , so he does pretty well in Aus . Apart from that dont see anything special about those 200s , yes it does take some effort to get to a 200 but these few knocks gets negated by his regular tuk-tuk knocks and chokes when the team needs him . So overall , his impact on his teams win is close to zero . Akmal may have not got those big hundreds , but I can see him play some blinders , giving his team momentum to set big totals which is what required from openers these days .
 
jusarrived said:
I mentioned his game against Short pitch bowling , so he does pretty well in Aus . Apart from that dont see anything special about those 200s , yes it does take some effort to get to a 200 but these few knocks gets negated by his regular tuk-tuk knocks and chokes when the team needs him . So overall , his impact on his teams win is close to zero . Akmal may have not got those big hundreds , but I can see him play some blinders , giving his team momentum to set big totals which is what required from openers these days .
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Rohit sharma did india win a series against southafrica 5 th one day...india may loose that match if he is not score that centuary.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I’m not really an extremist but anyone who needlessly bumps this irrelevant thread should be punished for trolling and spamming.

To put it straight it was not just the Pakistanis who thought Umar Akmal was the next Sachin but many of us neutral fans thought the same. In their first year in international cricket Umar was clearly above Kohli. No doubt he needed to do far more work on his game and attitude than he did at a time when he was busy choosing which lipstick is to be worn the next match to look like the funniest clown in the world but it is also true that the unprofessional Pakistani set up as well as some awful and useless seniors contributed too in him not growing enough

Kohli on the other hand was never the batsman he is today. Go watch his clips from 2005 maybe, he just had a good foundation like Umar did but had a much better work attitude and was blessed to have played with exceptional men like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble etc who taught him professionalism and helped him grow as a player. Compare that to the illiterate chikoo tindey Umar played with.

It’s not something to laugh at. To me Umar Akmal’s story remains one of the saddest and most regretful. So I would judge you if you act indecently over it.
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Well said. The biggest issue is that he has not improved be his attitude or his game. He has all the strokes but there is not much batting intelligence.
 
Wow! My posts on this thread are from 2012. It sounds like decades ago.

Oh And please burn this thread. LOL :aag :))
 
Talent wise he isn't a mile behind he's got the attacking shots capability to rotate the strike but Kohlis mental strength is on another level.
Until Akmal improves mentally and stops his immature approach he won't master international cricket.
 
IAJ said:
Both are talented, no doubt about that.

Kohli is a future captain material, but like Praveen Kumar, he seems angry all the time.

At the end of their careers:

Tests: Kohli = Umar
ODIs: Umar >/_ Kohli (Umar better or equal)
T20s: Umar >> Kohli (no doubt)

So I would pick Umar Akmal.:D
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Damn. The way he started his career made many this confident.
 
Can Admin close this thread, enough of our neighbors running our nose into ground for starting this juvenile thread.
 
BakuGM said:
Can Admin close this thread, enough of our neighbors running our nose into ground for starting this juvenile thread.
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Why ?
This thread is a total display of how passion/hate/love takes over a brain.

Good thread. After all, this thread is eight years old, if a kid was born in 2010, he will be in fourth standard.
 
Mercurial said:
Can Umar Akmal make a miraculous comeback and surpass Kohli? :ashwin
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Hitman said:
If we believe in that, we may as well believe in mermaids and fairies.
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Out of curiosity I did a calculation

If for next 100 innings, Kohli averages 25, and Umar Akmal averages 55 - Kohli would still have a higher average than Umar Akmal..

WOW!
 
How is umar performed soo par in PSL..any chance of international comeback?...He is still have age behind him..
 
someone please tell me he did well in the PSL and will be back in the Pak team soon :)

thanks in advance.
 
Tusker said:
someone please tell me he did well in the PSL and will be back in the Pak team soon :)

thanks in advance.
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He has been rubbish in the PSL and was dropped by Lahore . Once he was dropped they won a couple of games and performed well.
 
AZ said:
:)) Kohli is a do takkey ka player

Umar Akmal is ten trillion times better than him, it's doesnt seem that way because he can't get a stats boost on paratha wickets like Kohli babu
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Lol mate! You got it so horribly wrong.
 
All this thread does not is reveal character of many people on this forum. The sort of people who believe in kicking the man when he's down.

Pathetic.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
All this thread does not is reveal character of many people on this forum. The sort of people who believe in kicking the man when he's down.

Pathetic.
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So what are you showing by generalizing characters of so many PPers, do you think UA gives jack about what fans think about him here ?
 
Akmal brothers and Shezzy give enjoyment to opposition fans by their off the field antics.. I hope they come back to Pakistan team soon they are pretty funny..
 
Haripotter said:
Doesn't matter, he still has 10 years of cricket in him ie. :misbah . Umar is fresh and rearing to perform. Only if PCB gives him a chance . But politics has kept him out,. What a travesty
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That's what I'm saying. He's just 28. There is no reason why he won't be able to continue till 37/38 with his fitness. I mean, come on .... if guys like Lara, McGrath, S. Waugh, M. Waugh, Warne, Kumble, etc could play till the age of 37/38, then there is no reason why Umar can't do the same.

Shame on the PCB for doing all they could to have not allowed this once in a generation cricketer shine.
 
What a turnaround of this thread over the past few years!! These two are in two separate planets now. But I think Umar should be given another chance now,at least 10 ODISin traught. If Hafeez can deserve recall ,so does Umar
 
LMAO this thread is epic... Kohli fastest to 10,000 runs while Akmal fastest to 100 kg :))
 
Such an enjoyable thread, man we have seen greatness unfold in front of our eyes. Some of us were too young to see the initial careers of Sachin/Lara/Ponting but with Kohli it has been a wonderful journey right from the start.
 
Forget the thread starter, not many would have been believed if they said Kohli would be Kohli of today, 8 years back. The person has worked not just on his game but on his fitness which is why he is putting everything into each innings. talent+hardwork+determination+little fortune (on and off) he is one of the greatest players of all time. It is not his statistics but his influence is like Bradman on cricket and Mohammed Ali on Boxing etc... .He will be forever talked about even if he fails from now on.

As for Akmal, he had some health issues too, seizures if I am not wrong. So, I do not want to treat a guy in a rubbish manner who had overcome such a condition to be a decent player. There will always be jingoistic fans who might say something...but a sport reserves the right place and history will be kind to the right people, if their attitude is right. That is where Akmal should improve.
 
This thread is as much about Umar Akmal's failings as it is about celebrating Kohli's achievements. Still remember the 19 year old kid who scored a counter attacking 100 on an NZ green mamba against Shane Bond.
 
Sharamful thread if you look at it today :uakmal

But its pretty stupid to quote posts from so many years ago and blame the posters for calling it as it appeared at the time. Umar Akmal did look like the next big thing in cricket at that time while Kohli was just quietly making his game stronger.
 
Umar was just a overrated young player, a shaun wright phillips of cricket. Somebody who was not rated much by neutrals yet his country man were in owe of this youngster who turned out to inconsistent and weak player, and currently nowhere near the team.
 
My word how time tells you.

Just watched full highlights of Umer Akmal debut. My man he was so good and in control. Commentators were saying this is the player we will be seeing for the next 15 years. :(
It is quite sad.
 
ARK Rafay said:
My word how time tells you.

Just watched full highlights of Umer Akmal debut. My man he was so good and in control. Commentators were saying this is the player we will be seeing for the next 15 years. :(
It is quite sad.
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That's why it is important to have a greater work ethic than just talent. So many talents have been lost in wilderness but the ones having greater work ethic will come out with flying colors more often than not.
 
Swashbuckler said:
This thread is as much about Umar Akmal's failings as it is about celebrating Kohli's achievements. Still remember the 19 year old kid who scored a counter attacking 100 on an NZ green mamba against Shane Bond.
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This is a beautiful thread on hard work vs throwing it all away
 
Man, can someone show this thread to Umar Akmal and wake him up.

He can still turn around his career if he's determined to. Has the ability, needs to find a mentor and start working very hard on getting fitter and work with a sports psychologist on his temperament. ALl the hard worl could still see him play till 2025 if not more..

Biggest question is, does he want to?
 
This sums up the batting culture within both countries, and how key player management is.

Umar Akmal is one of the worst managed cricketers ever.
 
Bullet Drive said:
This sums up the batting culture within both countries, and how key player management is.

Umar Akmal is one of the worst managed cricketers ever.
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Can't manage stupidity. If he were to be managed by any professional setup they would part ways with him very quickly.
 
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