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Under-19 Coaches: Rahul Dravid vs... Mansoor Rana

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Now I understand this sounds a little farfetched but could it be the case that PCB's attention to U19 can be described by choice of coach?

Would it be possible that we could ask for Younis Khan to help the team for such an important tournament?

Here's the summary

India Coach Rahul Dravid
Pakistan Coach Mansoor Rana
Result: go figure
 
I think Younis Khan being the U19 coach would be a good idea if he can put away his ego!
 
It's a systematic problem, not a coaching one. India are picking their best talent and investing in them. We are still stuck in our nepotistic ways without any system. Regardless, if we actually selected the best players, we'd still put forward a much stronger batting line.

Our previous U19 team had the like of Zeeshan, Saif, Umair, Hasan, Shadab etc. It was quite a strong batting lineup. We recovered from a lot of collapses due to our depth.
 
Younis khan can be a very good coach. Can be, not sure if he Will be. He has earned respect being a Pakistani Great, his decisions are respected and obeyed , ge has great friends in the media etc etc.

But all that is useless if he doesnt let go of his ego. Which he cannot.
 
BCCI pays Dravid 5 crores a year to do this job. You get what you sow.

Wow. The U19 team is surely in safe hands. Dravid, if I remember correctly skipped a suggested senior team position and requested the U19 position. Am I right?
 
Dravid is not just the U19 coach, he is also in charge of the A team. India have put in a structure where every potential player has to perform with the A team (and get Dravid's green signal) before being picked for the Test and ODI team. All the debutants in the last few years have been through this process.
 
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It's a systematic problem, not a coaching one. India are picking their best talent and investing in them. We are still stuck in our nepotistic ways without any system. Regardless, if we actually selected the best players, we'd still put forward a much stronger batting line.

Our previous U19 team had the like of Zeeshan, Saif, Umair, Hasan, Shadab etc. It was quite a strong batting lineup. We recovered from a lot of collapses due to our depth.

You are massively underestimating the chronic level of corruption in lower rungs of Indian cricket. It's rampant even at first class level. Pretty much at par with Pakistan. However, India *has* raced ahead of pakistan in terms of hard infrastructure and trained personnel.
 
He also left IPL riches to coach India u19.

He is being compensated well by BCCI for leaving the IPL position. 5 Crores INR. That is 50 Million Rupees a year. He has to take care of the whole A team and U19 structure and he is the ultimate decision maker at that level. That is the level or responsibility and reward that BCCI gives and the results are there to see.
 
In no way am I downplaying the talent of Indian u19 cricketers but simply commenting on the importance given to the u19 programme by the BCCI vs PCB
 
He also left IPL riches to coach India u19.

Absolute trash, He took 100% pay rise to coach U19 and India A. He gets paid 5 Cr annually. Also, he did not 'leave' IPL, he had to quit, because of 'Conflict of Interest' clause.
 
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Absolute trash, He took 100% pay rise to coach U19 and India A. He gets paid 5 Cr annually. Also, he did not 'leave' IPL, he had to quit, because of 'Conflict of Interest' clause.

As long as he delivers no one will complain..And I am sure Rahul Dravid is not lazing around as evident from the results
 
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As long as he delivers no one will complain..And I am sure Rahul Dravid is not lazing around as evident from the results

Dude. Learn to comprehend. I did not comment anything about his performance and neither do I have a problem with him getting 5Cr. I just corrected the 'MYTH' that Rahul Dravid sacrificed IPL riches to coach youngsters. He has a family to feed, so I understand.
 
Someone needs to ask him

Give him a 4 year contract

Next u19 wc as target

Making too much sense there bro. Nothing will come out of it.

We will whine and the PCB will create a "special committee" and all will be shoved under a rug. Sad and pathetic.

Really hope I'm wrong, but the PCBs track record states otherwise.
 
Wow. The U19 team is surely in safe hands. Dravid, if I remember correctly skipped a suggested senior team position and requested the U19 position. Am I right?

He wanted to spend more time with his family, so chose to be the coach for u19 and A teams which require sporadic travelling.
 
Dude. Learn to comprehend. I did not comment anything about his performance and neither do I have a problem with him getting 5Cr. I just corrected the 'MYTH' that Rahul Dravid sacrificed IPL riches to coach youngsters. He has a family to feed, so I understand.

I know..just telling..Important thing will be for Dravid to create a good system so that whoever comes going forward can continue with the same process
 
Absolute trash, He took 100% pay rise to coach U19 and India A. He gets paid 5 Cr annually. Also, he did not 'leave' IPL, he had to quit, because of 'Conflict of Interest' clause.

He could have left the U19 and A team job and stayed with IPL for the same money though.
 
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I do not support this mentality that great players make great coaches and that it is important for coaches to have been star international players. I’m fact I find it very disrespectful to non celebrity coaches.

India is doing well not because they have a legendary ex cricketer coaching them but because of the investments they have made into the system. If the focus was not there then even if Tendulkar was leading he troops results would not have been there.

Same goes for Pakistan. It is important to give attention to the infrastructure and system that nurtured budding cricketers. It’s not always about money only it’s about smart investment. India’s space research agency ISRO has achieved great success with a minuscule budget compared to many other countries.

Let’s not put down the coach here.

Pakistan has historically put great emphasis on under 19 cricket. They have lost to a good team. Losses happen, it’s oart of the game. Let’s not take things to heart.


Always be positive.

Always be hopeful.

Yours truly,
Bhai jaan.
 
I do not support this mentality that great players make great coaches and that it is important for coaches to have been star international players. I’m fact I find it very disrespectful to non celebrity coaches.

India is doing well not because they have a legendary ex cricketer coaching them but because of the investments they have made into the system. If the focus was not there then even if Tendulkar was leading he troops results would not have been there.

Yeah agree. If you look at some of the surnames of these U19 Indian players, they appear to be from places that didn't traditionally have cricketers that reached the national eye. The BCCI for all their evils, have invested a lot in reaching into the heartlands of India.

Dhoni becoming a superstar also helped, am sure, and gave youngsters from remote regions hope that they too could make it.
 
Younis khan can be a very good coach. Can be, not sure if he Will be. He has earned respect being a Pakistani Great, his decisions are respected and obeyed , ge has great friends in the media etc etc.

But all that is useless if he doesnt let go of his ego. Which he cannot.

Younis is a very good mentor for young cricketers. Yes he has a chip on both shoulders, but his work ethic is fantastic and he is a massive overachiever. More importantly, he has always had a very good rapport with young players.

He cannot handle grown men because of his insecurities and poor man management skills, but Pakistan cannot find a better option for young kids.

However, we need qualified coaches at the NCA who can work with 12, 13 and 15 year old kids. Younis cannot do much with a 25 year old hack pretending to be an U-19 player. Shubman Gill was refined by Dravid, but he became what he is years before that.

The plan should be to hire non-Pakistani qualified coaches at the NCA and make Younis the head coach of the U-19 team. The objective for the next U-19 World Cup should be to find two modern batsmen who can make the step to international cricket almost immediately.
 
The plan should be to hire non-Pakistani qualified coaches at the NCA and make Younis the head coach of the U-19 team. The objective for the next U-19 World Cup should be to find two modern batsmen who can make the step to international cricket almost immediately.

I think we can all dream and fantasise about this happening, but you and I both know thats not going to happen
 
I think we can all dream and fantasise about this happening, but you and I both know thats not going to happen

I agree. This is just lip service on my part, nothing is going to happen indeed.
 
The plan should be to hire non-Pakistani qualified coaches at the NCA and make Younis the head coach of the U-19 team. The objective for the next U-19 World Cup should be to find two modern batsmen who can make the step to international cricket almost immediately.

For that to happen, we actually need to think long-term.

It's pretty evident that the only ones in Pakistan cricket thinking long-term are Arthur and the team management.

Domestic cricket is going from bad to worse while the A team hasn't played since October 2016.
 
I do not support this mentality that great players make great coaches and that it is important for coaches to have been star international players. I’m fact I find it very disrespectful to non celebrity coaches.

India is doing well not because they have a legendary ex cricketer coaching them but because of the investments they have made into the system. If the focus was not there then even if Tendulkar was leading he troops results would not have been there.

Same goes for Pakistan. It is important to give attention to the infrastructure and system that nurtured budding cricketers. It’s not always about money only it’s about smart investment. India’s space research agency ISRO has achieved great success with a minuscule budget compared to many other countries.

Let’s not put down the coach here.

Pakistan has historically put great emphasis on under 19 cricket. They have lost to a good team. Losses happen, it’s oart of the game. Let’s not take things to heart.


Always be positive.

Always be hopeful.

Yours truly,
Bhai jaan.

You are right great players rarely make great coaches, maybe because someone who is naturally talented like a Sachin or Wasim never had to work extra hard to figure out how he should balance himself at the crease or how long his stride should in his run-up.


However, people like Dravid and Younis are ideal for coaching positions and that is because they achieved despite not being the most talented and just by sheer will, hardwork and determination to succeed. A person like a Dravid or YK would have to put in extra hours of practice just to gain skills that may come completely naturally to Sachin and this will put them in a better position to teach someone how to improve their game.

You are right about the infrastructure part though.
 
Someone needs to ask him

Give him a 4 year contract

Next u19 wc as target

You are right great players rarely make great coaches, maybe because someone who is naturally talented like a Sachin or Wasim never had to work extra hard to figure out how he should balance himself at the crease or how long his stride should in his run-up.


However, people like Dravid and Younis are ideal for coaching positions and that is because they achieved despite not being the most talented and just by sheer will, hardwork and determination to succeed. A person like a Dravid or YK would have to put in extra hours of practice just to gain skills that may come completely naturally to Sachin and this will put them in a better position to teach someone how to improve their game.

You are right about the infrastructure part though.

You cannot just hope or ask to get good or high profile coaches like Dravid and Younis, you have to pay them a good amount as it is a professional service. Rahul Dravid makes INR 5 Crores = PKR 8.7 crores per year, I am sure if Younis or Wasim or Shoaib is offered such an amount then surely they will sign the contract.

All i see is lamenting from PCB officials and Pakistani cricket fans but nobody is ready to see the elephant in the room that even Pakistan team's senior coach Micky Arthur makes 1/4th of the Indian U19 coach.
 
You are right great players rarely make great coaches, maybe because someone who is naturally talented like a Sachin or Wasim never had to work extra hard to figure out how he should balance himself at the crease or how long his stride should in his run-up.


However, people like Dravid and Younis are ideal for coaching positions and that is because they achieved despite not being the most talented and just by sheer will, hardwork and determination to succeed. A person like a Dravid or YK would have to put in extra hours of practice just to gain skills that may come completely naturally to Sachin and this will put them in a better position to teach someone how to improve their game.

You are right about the infrastructure part though.

Couldn't agree more esp in the case of Wasim. He was an abundance of natural talent, but I have noticed (and this is just my opinion), that he mastered the art of fast bowling and not the science. He could never answer technical questions like front-on v side-on, wrist position, shoulder, pivot or release. In every interview i have seen him grip the ball and sway it on either side saying inswing/outswing. Last interview being Skysports masterclass. Make no mistake, he was a genius, but I am yet to see Wasim passing on the info to another bowler who can replicate some of it. I distinctly remember a commentary stint with Ian bishop, when Amir had just returned and Bishop found a technical flaw in Amir's follow through and Wasim (who I am sure would have interacted with Amir in some capacity)/Waqar (who was the coach then) had not identified that problem until then. Wasim even acknowledged Bishop's point on air. I am sure there is a thread on this in PP.

On the contrary,I think James Anderson has mastered the 'Science' of bowling. He would be the best bowling coach any team can hope for. He has learnt many skills from many bowlers (Asif,Zaheer etc) and has successfully put into practice. If conditions help, he can make the ball talk as he would like. Technically I am yet to see a better bowler than Anderson (haven't seen much of Hadlee to comment).
 
It's a systematic problem, not a coaching one. India are picking their best talent and investing in them. We are still stuck in our nepotistic ways without any system. Regardless, if we actually selected the best players, we'd still put forward a much stronger batting line.

Our previous U19 team had the like of Zeeshan, Saif, Umair, Hasan, Shadab etc. It was quite a strong batting lineup. We recovered from a lot of collapses due to our depth.

I think the U19 boys look good and have what it takes. The difference is in the finished product and coaching has an impact here. Two aspects I noticed:

1) Fielding: While the age old issues plaguing the senior teams of yore i.e Fitness, isnt the issue here. The boys were sprightly, quick, agile and up there with the best in the world. Apart from the pace bowlers who seemed slightly stiffer, rest of the team are as fit as any of the top cricket stars today. The issue is with technique, they get to the ball but cannot holdon to catches. Missed atleast half a dozen run outs, attacks the ball, quick pick up but the release and aim all goes wrong. It's definitely not from a lack of trying but they needed to be coached better. I know things like run outs are 50-50, but they missed all of them.

It would be interesting to review what the fielding drills emphasise on.

2) Strike Rotation/Singles: They can all bat, not a muck with the wood. I can see that they arent beaten by the pace or struggling to put bat to ball, the technique and application is all there.

But no strike rotation, zilch. They keep playing balls to the fielders, batsmen not looking for gaps and running atleast 3-4 runs an over. When Pakistan kept nipping away at Indian wickets the Indian batsmen never stopped taking singles.

Someone needs to investigate how the boys are coached on this. There was absoloutley no intent and you could see no one running in from the Pakistani dug out to have a chat. Check the Indian innings and someone brought water/gloves every few overs and had a chat with the batsmen.

They all looked alike to me, young atheletic boys wanting to suceed. You could switch the jerseys of both teams and wouldnt tell the difference. Still in the nascent stages of International cricket. But already the differences are familiar, the Indian boys looked the finished article, on the other hand the Pakistani boys struggling to take advantage of fielding opportunities and not being able to rotate strike with the bat.
 
I think the U19 boys look good and have what it takes. The difference is in the finished product and coaching has an impact here. Two aspects I noticed:

1) Fielding: While the age old issues plaguing the senior teams of yore i.e Fitness, isnt the issue here. The boys were sprightly, quick, agile and up there with the best in the world. Apart from the pace bowlers who seemed slightly stiffer, rest of the team are as fit as any of the top cricket stars today. The issue is with technique, they get to the ball but cannot holdon to catches. Missed atleast half a dozen run outs, attacks the ball, quick pick up but the release and aim all goes wrong. It's definitely not from a lack of trying but they needed to be coached better. I know things like run outs are 50-50, but they missed all of them.

It would be interesting to review what the fielding drills emphasise on.

2) Strike Rotation/Singles: They can all bat, not a muck with the wood. I can see that they arent beaten by the pace or struggling to put bat to ball, the technique and application is all there.

But no strike rotation, zilch. They keep playing balls to the fielders, batsmen not looking for gaps and running atleast 3-4 runs an over. When Pakistan kept nipping away at Indian wickets the Indian batsmen never stopped taking singles.

Someone needs to investigate how the boys are coached on this. There was absoloutley no intent and you could see no one running in from the Pakistani dug out to have a chat. Check the Indian innings and someone brought water/gloves every few overs and had a chat with the batsmen.

They all looked alike to me, young atheletic boys wanting to suceed. You could switch the jerseys of both teams and wouldnt tell the difference. Still in the nascent stages of International cricket. But already the differences are familiar, the Indian boys looked the finished article, on the other hand the Pakistani boys struggling to take advantage of fielding opportunities and not being able to rotate strike with the bat.

I was specifically talking about the batsmen. We've got so much natural ability in bowling that they're just gonna squeeze through no matter what.

However, identifying batsmen and developing them is a systematic process. Raw ability simply does not cut it. The current lot is lacking in ability and technique. They're the worst I've seen in years. The previous group was far superior and we'll see many of them making it to the national team.

Our fielding and bowling has been nothing short of exceptional. The fielding has continued on from the last tournament. We've been the best in both.

The run-out chances that people are talking about were created by us, they weren't presented. The movement towards the ball made those chances possible.

Catching, it's only one guy that cost us. He could be simply out of place or a weak link in team. Slip catching is a specialized position and it's difficult to identify them at the U19 level.
 
However, identifying batsmen and developing them is a systematic process. Raw ability simply does not cut it. The current lot is lacking in ability and technique. They're the worst I've seen in years. The previous group was far superior and we'll see many of them making it to the national team.

Guys like Zeeshan and Saif?
 
Yes. It wasn't just those two though. We had Umair, Shadab, Hasan, Mohsin, the lanky lefty(forgot his name). Even the lesser batsmen were no walking wickets.

Saif Badar is a very very good talent. He could have been given a chance in National side imo. He just needs to work on his temperament. He has everything that a top class batsman needs.
 
Saif Badar is a very very good talent. He could have been given a chance in National side imo. He just needs to work on his temperament. He has everything that a top class batsman needs.

Agreed and disagree. His game is not refined enough yet. He's got to top the charts and make hundreds for at least one season. Zeeshan is closer to being international ready but Saif has the higher ceiling.
 
Agreed and disagree. His game is not refined enough yet. He's got to top the charts and make hundreds for at least one season. Zeeshan is closer to being international ready but Saif has the higher ceiling.

I know what you are saying. Simply cant trust the domestic set up. The next thing you know he has already adopted the national stance of Pakistan (trigger movement towards off stump and then crouch)
 
Saif Badar is a very very good talent. He could have been given a chance in National side imo. He just needs to work on his temperament. He has everything that a top class batsman needs.

He is very, very classy and quite dynamic. Only problem is he has not been scoring runs. You could be the most stylish batsman in the world but if you keep getting out in single digits then you are not going to make it.

A List A average of 17 at 85 SR, A First Class average of 15 and T20 average of 14 is nothing much to write home about.


That being said Badar is only 19, atleast "officially" and he can definitely improve.
 
Saif Badar is a very very good talent. He could have been given a chance in National side imo. He just needs to work on his temperament. He has everything that a top class batsman needs.

He’s been failing in domestics but he has the opportunity to announce himself in the PSL.
 
I know what you are saying. Simply cant trust the domestic set up. The next thing you know he has already adopted the national stance of Pakistan (trigger movement towards off stump and then crouch)

That's a recent technical adaptation to lower bounce that's started in Karachi btw which is weird because historically they've had the highest batting standards in Pakistan. You won't find this in most players from Punjab.
 
He is very, very classy and quite dynamic. Only problem is he has not been scoring runs. You could be the most stylish batsman in the world but if you keep getting out in single digits then you are not going to make it.

A List A average of 17 at 85 SR, A First Class average of 15 and T20 average of 14 is nothing much to write home about.


That being said Badar is only 19, atleast "officially" and he can definitely improve.

I agree with it. But there is simply too much talent in him to not score eventually(real talent not naqli talent) . I think his breakthrough year is just round the corner.
 
Badar is unlucky in the sense that Aquib Javed has taken him under his wing. We might have seen the last of Badar.



Another one lost to the Aquib.
 
U19 is not a project that you run for 2 months before the World Cup.

Its a long term commitment and a conveyer belt of players that come on, are refined and come off after 19 yrs of age
 
That's a recent technical adaptation to lower bounce that's started in Karachi btw which is weird because historically they've had the highest batting standards in Pakistan. You won't find this in most players from Punjab.

Its baffling how many batsmen have developed such a stance. Even saud shakeel has developed it. And Pakistan has players like Fakhar and Sarfaraz who do it too. Younis khan had this kind of technique as well

Something needs to be done about the pitches. They are ruining the batsmen.
 
The difference in quality of batting is hardly a reflection of coaching, but rather of the junior batting circuit in India (Especially in Mumbai, Delhi, Punjab...) We had heard about Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill much much before they got into U19 teams. I would suggest to every cricket fan here to read 'Imperfect' (Sanjay Manjarekar's biography). Brutally honest and some genuinely amazing anecdotes (as average a commentator as he may be - it a seriously good biography). He talks a great deal about this junior circuit in the first half.
 
The difference in quality of batting is hardly a reflection of coaching, but rather of the junior batting circuit in India (Especially in Mumbai, Delhi, Punjab...) We had heard about Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill much much before they got into U19 teams. I would suggest to every cricket fan here to read 'Imperfect' (Sanjay Manjarekar's biography). Brutally honest and some genuinely amazing anecdotes (as average a commentator as he may be - it a seriously good biography). He talks a great deal about this junior circuit in the first half.

I did try to mention Haris Shield in the match thread, but Pandav o ne, bhaio ko bulana shoro kaar dia to hamney himmat haar baithay .......
 
give Mansoor Rana some credit. Taking these non-existent, devoid of batting talent team into the Semi finals is a huge achievement
 
give Mansoor Rana some credit. Taking these non-existent, devoid of batting talent team into the Semi finals is a huge achievement
Batting was rightfully terrible. But fielding... come on. That's the management's job to develop. And we all saw how good the fielding was. 6 run outs and 3-4 catches dropped.
 
A great player != a great coach. But someone like Dravid is an exception. A 5 minute chat (or even hearing him talk) with that gentleman is enough to understand the kinda impact he can have on an aspiring cricketer. Most people here don't seem to understand his role. They ridicule his batting style! What do you think a coach does? Teach others his batting/bowling style? Lol. And Dravid's role is not spoonfeeding those kids anyways.

The youngsters at Rajasthan Royals performed extremely well when Dravid was in charge. There are good reasons for that.

Don't know much about Mansoor Rana. All I'm saying is, motivation is a huge factor in anything. In a way, motivating his players is the most important role of a coach. Someone like Dravid who is a batsman of international stature can give those kids the motivation as well as the technical assistance to develop them into their best version.
 
KARACHI: Pakistan’s embarrassing 203-run defeat at the hands of arch-rivals India in the semi-final of the U19 World Cup at the Hagley Oval in Christchurch on Tuesday has led to calls for better selection and coaching.

India’s 272 in the first innings was powered by a superb unbeaten century by Shubman Gill, who scored 102 not out off just 94 balls. Muhammad Musa and Arshad Iqbal were the pick of the bowlers for Pakistan, finishing with figures of 4-67 and 3-51 respectively in their 10 overs.

Pakistan, on the other hand, were embarrassingly poor in the chase; being skittled out for just 69 in just 29.3 overs, with Rohail Nazir’s 16 being the top score.

Former Pakistan all-rounder Abdul Razzaq, though, was in no mood to blame the players and believes the management must take full responsibility of the debacle in Christchurch.

“I have seen all the matches and it isn’t the fault of the players,” he said. “The selection of the players was not good enough. At this level, the thing that matters most are selection, coaching and team management; you have to build players physically and mentally. We have many good players at the U19 level but our selection was not good enough and that resulted in failure. We have a lot of talent that could have done better.”

Razzaq said the Indians are always coached by former cricketers who have played at these levels and therefore know what the players are thinking and going through.

“When a former cricketer comes in as coach at this level, they know which area needs to be worked upon and how can the team be made stronger,” he said. “The way Pakistan played today is just unacceptable. The pitch was a balanced one and that is where a team is tested the most. In the quarter-finals the situations were conducive for fast-bowler since it had pace and uneven bounce that troubled the batsmen. Here, they were unable to do anything with both bat and ball. That, however, is not down to the players but to the management.”

The former fast-bowling all-rounder made himself available to coach at the younger levels, saying the U13, U16 and U19 levels are where players are made.

“If the Pakistan Cricket Board needs my services at these levels then I would love to train these players,” he said. “I know for a fact that if you can make them mentally strong at this level and train them on how to deal with the situation without letting the pressure get to you then you can create good players.”

Razzaq added that coaching players at this level can be more rewarding since coaches can work on technique at this time of their careers. “At the senior level, players cannot be trained completely; you can only make a few changes,” he said. “At the younger age groups, you can literally make a player and build him so that both him and Pakistan can benefit from it.”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1622045/7-razzaq-blames-poor-coaching-pakistans-u19-capitulation/
 
KARACHI: Pakistan’s embarrassing 203-run defeat at the hands of arch-rivals India in the semi-final of the U19 World Cup at the Hagley Oval in Christchurch on Tuesday has led to calls for better selection and coaching.

India’s 272 in the first innings was powered by a superb unbeaten century by Shubman Gill, who scored 102 not out off just 94 balls. Muhammad Musa and Arshad Iqbal were the pick of the bowlers for Pakistan, finishing with figures of 4-67 and 3-51 respectively in their 10 overs.

Pakistan, on the other hand, were embarrassingly poor in the chase; being skittled out for just 69 in just 29.3 overs, with Rohail Nazir’s 16 being the top score.

Former Pakistan all-rounder Abdul Razzaq, though, was in no mood to blame the players and believes the management must take full responsibility of the debacle in Christchurch.

“I have seen all the matches and it isn’t the fault of the players,” he said. “The selection of the players was not good enough. At this level, the thing that matters most are selection, coaching and team management; you have to build players physically and mentally. We have many good players at the U19 level but our selection was not good enough and that resulted in failure. We have a lot of talent that could have done better.”

Razzaq said the Indians are always coached by former cricketers who have played at these levels and therefore know what the players are thinking and going through.

“When a former cricketer comes in as coach at this level, they know which area needs to be worked upon and how can the team be made stronger,” he said. “The way Pakistan played today is just unacceptable. The pitch was a balanced one and that is where a team is tested the most. In the quarter-finals the situations were conducive for fast-bowler since it had pace and uneven bounce that troubled the batsmen. Here, they were unable to do anything with both bat and ball. That, however, is not down to the players but to the management.”

The former fast-bowling all-rounder made himself available to coach at the younger levels, saying the U13, U16 and U19 levels are where players are made.

“If the Pakistan Cricket Board needs my services at these levels then I would love to train these players,” he said. “I know for a fact that if you can make them mentally strong at this level and train them on how to deal with the situation without letting the pressure get to you then you can create good players.”

Razzaq added that coaching players at this level can be more rewarding since coaches can work on technique at this time of their careers. “At the senior level, players cannot be trained completely; you can only make a few changes,” he said. “At the younger age groups, you can literally make a player and build him so that both him and Pakistan can benefit from it.”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1622045/7-razzaq-blames-poor-coaching-pakistans-u19-capitulation/

Pardon my ignorance, but does Razzaq have any sort of formal qualification to be a coach? He again was a natural cricketer who relied mostly on instincts than technique to make things work. May not know the basics and nitty-gritty involved with moulding a young batsman or bowler. It is all well and good when former players throw their hat in the ring, but unless that player has some sort of coaching pedigree, we are again looking at a couple of individuals with abundance of natural talent but an overall team failing to meet expectations. Btw, I am talking only about Junior level. At senior level, you really do not need a coach, a manager would suffice IMO.
 
The worrying thing for me was the lack of basic cricketing knowledge from the Pakistan team.

They were struggling with things that you are taught when you first start playing cricket.

I was watching the slip fielder who dropped 2 catches before he dropped the chances, his hand position, his head position, his lack of balance were visible right from the start.
 
Can't blame the PCB too much over here. This is a cultural problem b/w India and Pakistan. Indian legends want to go out of their way to give back to their country while every Pakistani legend has the attitude only a high ranking PCB position or National team coach and nothing else.

India has all the money in the world to throw around in all projects possible. PCB's finances have been badly hit due to the lack of international cricket in Pakistan and no home series with India for almost 10 plus years. If the PCB had the kind of money the BCCI has it would be able to make the investments needed in Domestic Cricket, U-19 Cricket, A tours and National team.

This actually invites a more serious question mark on the performance of the Local, Domestic and NCA coaches who have been around for the last 20-30 years and have nothing to show for it.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but does Razzaq have any sort of formal qualification to be a coach? He again was a natural cricketer who relied mostly on instincts than technique to make things work. May not know the basics and nitty-gritty involved with moulding a young batsman or bowler. It is all well and good when former players throw their hat in the ring, but unless that player has some sort of coaching pedigree, we are again looking at a couple of individuals with abundance of natural talent but an overall team failing to meet expectations. Btw, I am talking only about Junior level. At senior level, you really do not need a coach, a manager would suffice IMO.

Same argument can be made for Miandad, Waqar with regards to what their coaching qualifications were. You don't necessarily need to be a legendary player to be a coach, even being semi great is enough
 
The thing is intent. Dravid could make 5cr in IPL and by commentary stints as well but he chose to leave those and coach U19 and A team players. He had a choice of different streams to make money from and he chose coaching youngsters.

In Pakistan i sometimes feel.that ex cricketers want a pcb job because thats their easiest and biggest pay day.


The result of coaching in both the cases will be different.
 
The thing is intent. Dravid could make 5cr in IPL and by commentary stints as well but he chose to leave those and coach U19 and A team players. He had a choice of different streams to make money from and he chose coaching youngsters.

In Pakistan i sometimes feel.that ex cricketers want a pcb job because thats their easiest and biggest pay day.


The result of coaching in both the cases will be different.


This is also true, Zaheer Khan rejected the Indian bowling coach job as the salary offered was INR 4 crores which he can make by doing commentary stints and IPL coaching, much easier life in AC rooms and same money.
 
The thing is intent. Dravid could make 5cr in IPL and by commentary stints as well but he chose to leave those and coach U19 and A team players. He had a choice of different streams to make money from and he chose coaching youngsters.

In Pakistan i sometimes feel.that ex cricketers want a pcb job because thats their easiest and biggest pay day.


The result of coaching in both the cases will be different.

Ex-Pakistani players are too egoistic and if their egos are hit, they will destroy careers based on personal likes and dislikes.
 
To be honest, when Zaheer Khan rejected the bowling coach offer i felt the same as Pakistanis feel about Wasim Akram, at-least Zaheer was offered a good deal, INR 4 crore for just bowling coach is a lot, it is more than the salary of all the International cricket coaches, only Ravi Shastri as head coach makes more.
 
Same argument can be made for Miandad, Waqar with regards to what their coaching qualifications were. You don't necessarily need to be a legendary player to be a coach, even being semi great is enough

I clearly mentioned that senior team do not require handholding and spoon feeding. A semi pro can actually coach them. But to coach at grass root level you need to be qualified and cannot just come and swing your arms with inswing and outswing grips on the ball, or play shadow shots to show cover drive and hook/pull. So yes, for grass root level a semi 'GREAT' is definitely not enough. As I said, that would produce a couple of individually brilliant talents like Shaheen but overall you would see a bunch of players with inferior basics!
 
The best thing India did was to wipe-out the age cheats and now they are reaping the rewards.
 
There is a lot of noise about how a high-profile former player should hold the position of the U19 head coach - well most of them will talk the talk, but they won't be interested in doing the job.
 
To be honest, when Zaheer Khan rejected the bowling coach offer i felt the same as Pakistanis feel about Wasim Akram, at-least Zaheer was offered a good deal, INR 4 crore for just bowling coach is a lot, it is more than the salary of all the International cricket coaches, only Ravi Shastri as head coach makes more.

ZAK didn't reject it, he was rejected by Shahstri, same happened with Kumble
 
There is a lot of noise about how a high-profile former player should hold the position of the U19 head coach - well most of them will talk the talk, but they won't be interested in doing the job.

I am sure they will do it for good money.
 
The thing is intent. Dravid could make 5cr in IPL and by commentary stints as well but he chose to leave those and coach U19 and A team players. He had a choice of different streams to make money from and he chose coaching youngsters.

In Pakistan i sometimes feel.that ex cricketers want a pcb job because thats their easiest and biggest pay day.


The result of coaching in both the cases will be different.

Pretty much.

Not too long ago, many would have looked at an Under-19 coaching position as an inferior thing, too below the standard of a legendary ex cricketer. It takes tremendous sense of pride and a knack for accepting challenging positions for a player of Dravid's stature to take up an Under-19 coaching job when lesser mortals like Ravi Shastry are working with the senior team. Can't say its about the money only as you rightly pointed out, Dravid will make money elsewhere too, probably more. He's just that kind of guy who wants to give it back, take up challenging roles just the way he played his cricket all his life. Dravid would do anything for the sake of team. He is the ideal person to be with these young guys.

And with this success i am hopeful over the years Dravid will get to coach the senior team as well.
 
I know what you are saying. Simply cant trust the domestic set up. The next thing you know he has already adopted the national stance of Pakistan (trigger movement towards off stump and then crouch)

Back and across and then a forward press (the crouch) is the most common setup in the game today. The two best batsman of this generation (Kohli and de Villiers) do the same.

In fact, de Villiers has the most exaggerated crouch in the world. However, their back-lifts are higher than our batsman, they have better balance and their bat-speed is much better.

Obviously there are other factors such as ability to pick the length early etc. which is part of their superior ability.
 
I think Dada will be better for Bangladesh, comes of as a no nonsense person, also has great eye for talent plus a bengali.

Dada hopes to be the next bcci President and then icc chairman. He aint doing no coaching i think.
 
Mansoor Rana was the coach when Pakistan won the U-19 WC in 2006. Unfair to blame him here.
 
There is a lot of noise about how a high-profile former player should hold the position of the U19 head coach - well most of them will talk the talk, but they won't be interested in doing the job.

The only one was Ijaz Ahmed...
 
Rahul Drvid has a Graduate Degree in Commerce from St. Joseph’s College of Commerce in Bangalore. He was selected in the Indian National Cricket Team while pursuing his MBA in St Joseph’s College of Business Administration.
 
There is a lot of noise about how a high-profile former player should hold the position of the U19 head coach - well most of them will talk the talk, but they won't be interested in doing the job.

A high profile coach will demand a big salary. Will pcb pay?
 
Quality of coach must absolutely be a factor in player development and performance at the youth level. Dravid is one of the most level headed professionals going around, insightful and thoughtful. He also has world class experience to share.

I don't know Mansoor Rana, but there was an interview with the assistant coach Abdur Rehman and he hardly said anything of substance, just things like "Inshallah we will play final".
 
A high profile coach will demand a big salary. Will pcb pay?

Of course they will (probably not 5 crore though).

The salary is the least of Pakistani worry at the moment. Its this neopotism and favouring culture thats driving the current economy of cricket in Pakistan.

I mean who is the cricket coach and what has he done in cricket to deserve this role. Clearly no major coaching experience nor real international experience.
 
Couldn't agree more esp in the case of Wasim. He was an abundance of natural talent, but I have noticed (and this is just my opinion), that he mastered the art of fast bowling and not the science. He could never answer technical questions like front-on v side-on, wrist position, shoulder, pivot or release. In every interview i have seen him grip the ball and sway it on either side saying inswing/outswing. Last interview being Skysports masterclass. Make no mistake, he was a genius, but I am yet to see Wasim passing on the info to another bowler who can replicate some of it. I distinctly remember a commentary stint with Ian bishop, when Amir had just returned and Bishop found a technical flaw in Amir's follow through and Wasim (who I am sure would have interacted with Amir in some capacity)/Waqar (who was the coach then) had not identified that problem until then. Wasim even acknowledged Bishop's point on air. I am sure there is a thread on this in PP.

On the contrary,I think James Anderson has mastered the 'Science' of bowling. He would be the best bowling coach any team can hope for. He has learnt many skills from many bowlers (Asif,Zaheer etc) and has successfully put into practice. If conditions help, he can make the ball talk as he would like. Technically I am yet to see a better bowler than Anderson (haven't seen much of Hadlee to comment).

POTW for me. Brilliantly summarized
 
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