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Biden and Trump return to campaign trail after dueling town halls
WILMINGTON, Del./DORAL, Fla. (Reuters) - President Donald Trump and Democratic challenger Joe Biden will return to the campaign trail on Friday with visits to three battleground states, a day after the two contenders clashed from afar during dueling televised town halls.
The split-screen events, which replaced a presidential debate that was canceled in the wake of Trump’s coronavirus diagnosis, also highlighted the sharp contrast between the two candidates’ approach to the campaign less than three weeks before the Nov. 3 election.
A combative Trump, sparring with moderator Savannah Guthrie on NBC, refused to condemn the bizarre conspiracy theory QAnon, claimed the 2020 election is rife with fraud and questioned whether masks can help combat the spread of COVID-19. Biden delivered policy-heavy answers and focused his attacks on Trump’s handling of the pandemic, which has killed 216,000 Americans and hammered the economy.
Biden has led the contest for months, according to polls, and it was not clear whether Trump’s aggressive posture would succeed in altering what has been a stable race despite a whirlwind of news.
More than 18 million Americans have already cast ballots, far more than at a similar juncture in 2016, according to a tracker at the U.S. Elections Project at the University of Florida.
Louisiana will begin early voting on Friday, following record turnout in competitive states Georgia, Texas and North Carolina this week.
Trump will travel to Florida and Georgia, two states that are seen as crucial to his chances of victory, while Biden will visit two cities in Michigan, another battleground state.
The second presidential debate had been scheduled for Thursday, but Trump pulled out of the event after organizers said it would be virtual to lessen the risk of infection.
Trump, who received treatment for several days at a military hospital after he contracted the virus two weeks ago, has since returned to headlining massive campaign rallies.
During his town hall on NBC in front of voters in Miami, Trump declined to say when he last tested negative for the virus before announcing his diagnosis, a question that White House physicians have also refused to answer.
While he denounced white supremacists two weeks after failing to do so forcefully at the first presidential debate, he would not do the same about QAnon, a fringe movement whose adherents believe Democrats are part of a global pedophilia ring.
“I do know they are against pedophilia, they fight it very hard,” Trump said, before claiming he knew nothing about the conspiracy theory when pressed by Guthrie.
He also questioned whether masks are effective at stopping the spread of the coronavirus, contradicting the consensus among public health experts, including those in his own administration.
In Philadelphia, Biden outlined to voters his plans to combat the pandemic and revive the economy by prioritizing testing, funding local and state governments and hiking taxes dramatically on corporations and the wealthy.
He again deferred when asked whether he supports adding justices to the Supreme Court, an idea known as “court-packing” that some Democrats favor as a response to Republicans’ hardball tactics.
“It depends on how this turns out,” he said of the ongoing confirmation hearings for Trump’s latest nominee, Amy Coney Barrett.
But the coronavirus dominated the proceedings, just as it has loomed over the last seven months of the campaign.
Trump, who has downplayed the crisis, again said on Thursday that the country has “rounded the corner,” despite surges in cases in many states. He also defended his own personal approach to the virus, including hosting a Rose Garden event last month after which multiple attendees, including himself, tested positive.
Biden’s campaign said on Thursday that three people who recently traveled with him or his running mate, Senator Kamala Harris, had tested positive. Neither candidate had close contact with the infected individuals, the campaign said, but Harris canceled her in-person events through Sunday as a precaution.
The third presidential debate is scheduled for Oct. 22.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-trail-after-dueling-town-halls-idUSKBN2710JC
WILMINGTON, Del./DORAL, Fla. (Reuters) - President Donald Trump and Democratic challenger Joe Biden will return to the campaign trail on Friday with visits to three battleground states, a day after the two contenders clashed from afar during dueling televised town halls.
The split-screen events, which replaced a presidential debate that was canceled in the wake of Trump’s coronavirus diagnosis, also highlighted the sharp contrast between the two candidates’ approach to the campaign less than three weeks before the Nov. 3 election.
A combative Trump, sparring with moderator Savannah Guthrie on NBC, refused to condemn the bizarre conspiracy theory QAnon, claimed the 2020 election is rife with fraud and questioned whether masks can help combat the spread of COVID-19. Biden delivered policy-heavy answers and focused his attacks on Trump’s handling of the pandemic, which has killed 216,000 Americans and hammered the economy.
Biden has led the contest for months, according to polls, and it was not clear whether Trump’s aggressive posture would succeed in altering what has been a stable race despite a whirlwind of news.
More than 18 million Americans have already cast ballots, far more than at a similar juncture in 2016, according to a tracker at the U.S. Elections Project at the University of Florida.
Louisiana will begin early voting on Friday, following record turnout in competitive states Georgia, Texas and North Carolina this week.
Trump will travel to Florida and Georgia, two states that are seen as crucial to his chances of victory, while Biden will visit two cities in Michigan, another battleground state.
The second presidential debate had been scheduled for Thursday, but Trump pulled out of the event after organizers said it would be virtual to lessen the risk of infection.
Trump, who received treatment for several days at a military hospital after he contracted the virus two weeks ago, has since returned to headlining massive campaign rallies.
During his town hall on NBC in front of voters in Miami, Trump declined to say when he last tested negative for the virus before announcing his diagnosis, a question that White House physicians have also refused to answer.
While he denounced white supremacists two weeks after failing to do so forcefully at the first presidential debate, he would not do the same about QAnon, a fringe movement whose adherents believe Democrats are part of a global pedophilia ring.
“I do know they are against pedophilia, they fight it very hard,” Trump said, before claiming he knew nothing about the conspiracy theory when pressed by Guthrie.
He also questioned whether masks are effective at stopping the spread of the coronavirus, contradicting the consensus among public health experts, including those in his own administration.
In Philadelphia, Biden outlined to voters his plans to combat the pandemic and revive the economy by prioritizing testing, funding local and state governments and hiking taxes dramatically on corporations and the wealthy.
He again deferred when asked whether he supports adding justices to the Supreme Court, an idea known as “court-packing” that some Democrats favor as a response to Republicans’ hardball tactics.
“It depends on how this turns out,” he said of the ongoing confirmation hearings for Trump’s latest nominee, Amy Coney Barrett.
But the coronavirus dominated the proceedings, just as it has loomed over the last seven months of the campaign.
Trump, who has downplayed the crisis, again said on Thursday that the country has “rounded the corner,” despite surges in cases in many states. He also defended his own personal approach to the virus, including hosting a Rose Garden event last month after which multiple attendees, including himself, tested positive.
Biden’s campaign said on Thursday that three people who recently traveled with him or his running mate, Senator Kamala Harris, had tested positive. Neither candidate had close contact with the infected individuals, the campaign said, but Harris canceled her in-person events through Sunday as a precaution.
The third presidential debate is scheduled for Oct. 22.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-trail-after-dueling-town-halls-idUSKBN2710JC
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US election: Rudy Giuliani's daughter endorses Joe Biden
Rudy Giuliani’s daughter has endorsed Joe Biden for president in an essay for Vanity Fair, writing that in this historic election “none of us can afford to be silent”.
“My father is Rudy Giuliani,” Caroline Rose Giuliani said in the magazine. “We are multiverses apart, politically and otherwise. I’ve spent a lifetime forging an identity in the arts separate from my last name, so publicly declaring myself as a ‘Giuliani’ feels counterintuitive, but I’ve come to realize that none of us can afford to be silent right now.”
The younger Giuliani, a director, actor and writer who lives in Los Angeles, endorsed Hillary Clinton in 2016 and voted for Barack Obama in 2012. She writes that since childhood she has engaged in debates with her father about LGBTQ rights, policing and other issues.
“It felt important to speak my mind, and I’m glad we at least managed to communicate at all. But the chasm was painful nonetheless, and has gotten exponentially more so in Trump’s era of chest-thumping partisan tribalism. I imagine many Americans can relate to the helpless feeling this confrontation cycle created in me, but we are not helpless. I may not be able to change my father’s mind, but together, we can vote this toxic administration out of office.”
Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, is a personal lawyer to Donald Trump and has been one of the president’s loudest endorsers, whether during the Russian investigation, the president’s impeachment or the coronavirus crisis.
With less than a month before the 3 November election, Giuliani is back in the spotlight with claims to have found incriminating evidence on a discarded computer of Joe Biden’s son Hunter. Twitter and Facebook have been restricting the dissemination of the New York Post’s article reporting the unlikely and unsubstantiated claim.
“If being the daughter of a polarizing mayor who became the president’s personal bulldog has taught me anything, it is that corruption starts with ‘yes-men’ and women, the cronies who create an echo chamber of lies and subservience to maintain their proximity to power,” his daughter writes.
“We have to stand and fight,” she argues. “The only way to end this nightmare is to vote. There is hope on the horizon, but we’ll only grasp it if we elect Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/rudy-giuliani-daughter-endorses-joe-biden
Rudy Giuliani’s daughter has endorsed Joe Biden for president in an essay for Vanity Fair, writing that in this historic election “none of us can afford to be silent”.
“My father is Rudy Giuliani,” Caroline Rose Giuliani said in the magazine. “We are multiverses apart, politically and otherwise. I’ve spent a lifetime forging an identity in the arts separate from my last name, so publicly declaring myself as a ‘Giuliani’ feels counterintuitive, but I’ve come to realize that none of us can afford to be silent right now.”
The younger Giuliani, a director, actor and writer who lives in Los Angeles, endorsed Hillary Clinton in 2016 and voted for Barack Obama in 2012. She writes that since childhood she has engaged in debates with her father about LGBTQ rights, policing and other issues.
“It felt important to speak my mind, and I’m glad we at least managed to communicate at all. But the chasm was painful nonetheless, and has gotten exponentially more so in Trump’s era of chest-thumping partisan tribalism. I imagine many Americans can relate to the helpless feeling this confrontation cycle created in me, but we are not helpless. I may not be able to change my father’s mind, but together, we can vote this toxic administration out of office.”
Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, is a personal lawyer to Donald Trump and has been one of the president’s loudest endorsers, whether during the Russian investigation, the president’s impeachment or the coronavirus crisis.
With less than a month before the 3 November election, Giuliani is back in the spotlight with claims to have found incriminating evidence on a discarded computer of Joe Biden’s son Hunter. Twitter and Facebook have been restricting the dissemination of the New York Post’s article reporting the unlikely and unsubstantiated claim.
“If being the daughter of a polarizing mayor who became the president’s personal bulldog has taught me anything, it is that corruption starts with ‘yes-men’ and women, the cronies who create an echo chamber of lies and subservience to maintain their proximity to power,” his daughter writes.
“We have to stand and fight,” she argues. “The only way to end this nightmare is to vote. There is hope on the horizon, but we’ll only grasp it if we elect Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/rudy-giuliani-daughter-endorses-joe-biden
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Biden gets 7K hits on his livestream last night on FB, Trump hits 60K.
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This is lame. Trump needs something more stronger.
His own Son in Law has made so much money since Trump entered the white house.
If an old bloke like Biden who may not make the full term beats Trump it will be embarrasing.
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I watched both the Town Hall sessions yesterday on YouTube.
The Trump one was quite a brisk hour, with a fiery host and some challenging questions for the President, but man.... the Biden one.
That is time I will never get back. The guy is so mediocre, rambling and dull. And yes, he is really, really old. (And he carries every year of it as well — unlike Trump.)
What a choice for the American people. A KKK-sympathising orange loon, or a kindly old fool who will probably be in a care home in a few years.
Honestly I don’t blame them if they vote for Trump after watching those bizarre Town Hall sessions.
TDS strikes again.
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Not how it works James, you have said that Trump is a KKK sympathizer, you dont prove innocence, you prove guilt.
This video is from three years ago, Trump disavowed the KKK 20 times between 1991 and 2007, that does not include the 20 times he has disavowed them as president. So that is 40 times on record of Trump disavowing the KKK.
Can you prove your statement?.
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It looks like Biden is stretching a lead over Trump in opinion polls.
The Covid year and the rollercoaster that had ensued seems to be undoing Trump. Because everything looked on a firm footing same time last year.
He can still win of course.
The Covid year and the rollercoaster that had ensued seems to be undoing Trump. Because everything looked on a firm footing same time last year.
He can still win of course.
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I was watching one of Trump's rallies in Florida last night, and this guy is not a politician, but a rock-star. He reads a para from the teleprompter, then adds his own touch but going off script. The crowd were loving it, chanting every step of the way.
10000s were outside just trying to get in. Queues as far as they eye could see.
Meanwhile sleepy Joe is speaking to no more than 20 people, and 14 of them are from his entourage!
10000s were outside just trying to get in. Queues as far as they eye could see.
Meanwhile sleepy Joe is speaking to no more than 20 people, and 14 of them are from his entourage!
Yeah Biden's never impressed me as a public speaker and that town hall wasn't exactly riveting viewing, though it was funny Trump wanted to counterprogram Biden's town hall and humiliate him in the ratings - yet drew 1m less viewers.
However I think after the last four years, many Americans just want a return to some peace and quiet where politics resembles less of a reality TV show.
Biden's campaign is basically a rerun of Warren Harding's 1920 election.
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Trump condemned for QAnon dodge as Biden town hall wins TV ratings battle
Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in their TV ratings battle from their duelling town hall events, figures showed Friday, while the president faced condemnation over his failure to disavow the QAnon conspiracy theory.
Biden, the Democratic challenger, attracted almost 1 million more viewers, according to Nielsen, even though Trump’s event was shown on more channels.
The figures from the TV events late on Thursday will probably enrage the ratings-obsessed president, who told aides he hoped to beat Biden and then use the numbers to humiliate him.
Biden’s town hall on ABC averaged 13.9 million viewers, CNN reported, citing Nielsen, while Trump’s audience was about 13 million cross three channels. The president’s responses to questions about QAnon were drawing condemnation on Friday.
QAnon’s followers believe that Trump is trying to save the world from a cabal of satanic paedophiles that includes Democratic politicians and Hollywood celebrities. It has been linked to several violent acts since 2018 including at least one alleged murder.
The US president has praised QAnon adherents including a congressional candidate. At a televised “town hall” on Thursday, he repeatedly claimed to be ignorant of the movement, considered by the FBI as a potential domestic terror threat.
“I know nothing about QAnon,” he told NBC’s Savannah Guthrie in Miami, Florida. ‘I do know they are very much against paedophilia. They fight it very hard. But I know nothing about it … I just don’t know about QAnon.”
Guthrie forcefully interjected: “You do know!”
But Trump said: “I don’t know. No, I don’t know.”
There was a widespread backlash. Ben Collins, a journalist at NBC News, tweeted: “Outside of a straight up endorsement, this is about as about as close to a dream scenario for QAnon followers as is humanly possible.”
The fresh controversy came as millions of people vote early, ahead of the 3 November presidential election, and the coronavirus surges again with 38 states reporting rising cases.
Trump and Biden held simultaneous town halls with voters on rival TV networks in lieu of their second presidential debate, cancelled after the president contracted the coronavirus and refused to debate virtually. Although both candidates are white men in their 70s, it proved to be a split screen for the ages, radically divergent in both style and substance.
Speaking in Philadelphia, Biden offered long, detailed answers and promised to follow the science in combating the pandemic. “The words of a president matter,” he told host George Stephanopoulos on ABC. “No matter whether they’re good, bad or indifferent, they matter. When a president doesn’t wear a mask, or makes fun of folks like me when I was wearing a mask for a long time, then people say it mustn’t be that important.”
The former vice-president conceded mistakes in a 1994 crime law that led to the mass incarceration of African Americans and promised to take a firm position on whether to expand the supreme court, saying people “do have a right to know where I stand. And they will have a right to know where I stand before they vote.”
But the sober policy discussion on ABC was often overshadowed by Trump’s characteristically vague answers to questions that no other American president in modern times would even be asked.
He became visibly agitated when pressed by Guthrie on his views on white supremacy and his retweeting of a conspiracy theory that Osama bin Laden might still be alive. And pushed on whether he owes money to any foreign bank or entity, Trump replied: “I will let you know who – who I owe whatever small amount of money.
“When you look at vast properties like I have – and they’re big and they’re beautiful and they’re well located – when you look at that the amount of money, $400m is a peanut. It’s extremely under-levered. And it’s levered with normal banks – not a big deal.”
Much criticised for his handling of the Covid-19 pandemic, Trump claimed: “What we’ve done has been amazing, and we have done an amazing job, and it’s rounding the corner.” But more than 63,500 new cases were reported in the US on Thursday, the highest number since July.
Trump also misrepresented a recent study to make the false claim that 85% of the people that wear masks catch the virus. “That’s what I heard and that’s what I saw.”
Biden holds a commanding lead over Trump in opinion polls and fundraising. Trump’s campaign, along with the Republican National Committee and related groups, raised $247.8m in September, well short of the $383m raised by Biden and the Democratic National Committee in the same period.
Recovered from the virus, Trump has entered a frenzied spell of campaign rallies in critical swing states but continues to show little message discipline. On Thursday he renewed his attacks against Gretchen Whitmer, branding the Democratic Michigan governor a “dictator” even as authorities announced charges against a 14th suspect in a plot to kidnap her.
Whitmer responded on Twitter: “One week after a plot to kidnap and murder me was revealed, the president renewed his attacks. Words matter. I am asking people of goodwill on both sides of the aisle – please, lower the heat of this dangerous rhetoric.”
Democrats are taking nothing for granted, however, following Trump’s stunning upset victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016.
John Zogby, a Democratic author and pollster, said: “I think Trump is in bad shape. It’s very hard to see a path to victory. But as I say those words. I recall hearing them and maybe even saying them exactly four years ago. I’m not ready to subscribe to the landslide yet.”
Wall Street is preparing for a likely Biden victory, however. Shares of the gun makers Smith & Wesson and Sturm Ruger have both rallied around 8% since late September. Experts predict a surge of gun sales if Democrats win control of the Senate from Republicans, giving them majorities in both houses of Congress and making it easier to approve gun control legislation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/16/trump-biden-town-hall-qanon-tv-ratings
Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in their TV ratings battle from their duelling town hall events, figures showed Friday, while the president faced condemnation over his failure to disavow the QAnon conspiracy theory.
Biden, the Democratic challenger, attracted almost 1 million more viewers, according to Nielsen, even though Trump’s event was shown on more channels.
The figures from the TV events late on Thursday will probably enrage the ratings-obsessed president, who told aides he hoped to beat Biden and then use the numbers to humiliate him.
Biden’s town hall on ABC averaged 13.9 million viewers, CNN reported, citing Nielsen, while Trump’s audience was about 13 million cross three channels. The president’s responses to questions about QAnon were drawing condemnation on Friday.
QAnon’s followers believe that Trump is trying to save the world from a cabal of satanic paedophiles that includes Democratic politicians and Hollywood celebrities. It has been linked to several violent acts since 2018 including at least one alleged murder.
The US president has praised QAnon adherents including a congressional candidate. At a televised “town hall” on Thursday, he repeatedly claimed to be ignorant of the movement, considered by the FBI as a potential domestic terror threat.
“I know nothing about QAnon,” he told NBC’s Savannah Guthrie in Miami, Florida. ‘I do know they are very much against paedophilia. They fight it very hard. But I know nothing about it … I just don’t know about QAnon.”
Guthrie forcefully interjected: “You do know!”
But Trump said: “I don’t know. No, I don’t know.”
There was a widespread backlash. Ben Collins, a journalist at NBC News, tweeted: “Outside of a straight up endorsement, this is about as about as close to a dream scenario for QAnon followers as is humanly possible.”
The fresh controversy came as millions of people vote early, ahead of the 3 November presidential election, and the coronavirus surges again with 38 states reporting rising cases.
Trump and Biden held simultaneous town halls with voters on rival TV networks in lieu of their second presidential debate, cancelled after the president contracted the coronavirus and refused to debate virtually. Although both candidates are white men in their 70s, it proved to be a split screen for the ages, radically divergent in both style and substance.
Speaking in Philadelphia, Biden offered long, detailed answers and promised to follow the science in combating the pandemic. “The words of a president matter,” he told host George Stephanopoulos on ABC. “No matter whether they’re good, bad or indifferent, they matter. When a president doesn’t wear a mask, or makes fun of folks like me when I was wearing a mask for a long time, then people say it mustn’t be that important.”
The former vice-president conceded mistakes in a 1994 crime law that led to the mass incarceration of African Americans and promised to take a firm position on whether to expand the supreme court, saying people “do have a right to know where I stand. And they will have a right to know where I stand before they vote.”
But the sober policy discussion on ABC was often overshadowed by Trump’s characteristically vague answers to questions that no other American president in modern times would even be asked.
He became visibly agitated when pressed by Guthrie on his views on white supremacy and his retweeting of a conspiracy theory that Osama bin Laden might still be alive. And pushed on whether he owes money to any foreign bank or entity, Trump replied: “I will let you know who – who I owe whatever small amount of money.
“When you look at vast properties like I have – and they’re big and they’re beautiful and they’re well located – when you look at that the amount of money, $400m is a peanut. It’s extremely under-levered. And it’s levered with normal banks – not a big deal.”
Much criticised for his handling of the Covid-19 pandemic, Trump claimed: “What we’ve done has been amazing, and we have done an amazing job, and it’s rounding the corner.” But more than 63,500 new cases were reported in the US on Thursday, the highest number since July.
Trump also misrepresented a recent study to make the false claim that 85% of the people that wear masks catch the virus. “That’s what I heard and that’s what I saw.”
Biden holds a commanding lead over Trump in opinion polls and fundraising. Trump’s campaign, along with the Republican National Committee and related groups, raised $247.8m in September, well short of the $383m raised by Biden and the Democratic National Committee in the same period.
Recovered from the virus, Trump has entered a frenzied spell of campaign rallies in critical swing states but continues to show little message discipline. On Thursday he renewed his attacks against Gretchen Whitmer, branding the Democratic Michigan governor a “dictator” even as authorities announced charges against a 14th suspect in a plot to kidnap her.
Whitmer responded on Twitter: “One week after a plot to kidnap and murder me was revealed, the president renewed his attacks. Words matter. I am asking people of goodwill on both sides of the aisle – please, lower the heat of this dangerous rhetoric.”
Democrats are taking nothing for granted, however, following Trump’s stunning upset victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016.
John Zogby, a Democratic author and pollster, said: “I think Trump is in bad shape. It’s very hard to see a path to victory. But as I say those words. I recall hearing them and maybe even saying them exactly four years ago. I’m not ready to subscribe to the landslide yet.”
Wall Street is preparing for a likely Biden victory, however. Shares of the gun makers Smith & Wesson and Sturm Ruger have both rallied around 8% since late September. Experts predict a surge of gun sales if Democrats win control of the Senate from Republicans, giving them majorities in both houses of Congress and making it easier to approve gun control legislation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/16/trump-biden-town-hall-qanon-tv-ratings
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joe Biden's chances of winning US Presidential Election according to different modelling.<br><br>The Economist: 91% chance<br><br>FiveThirtyEight: 87% chance<br><br>New Statesman: 87% chance</p>— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) <a href="https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1317574981446856704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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At this point if Trump ends up winning the election than polling should just end forever
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The polls do not account for the silent majority. The ones who would vote against the status quo but are victims of liberal abuse. If you voted for Trump or Brexit, you're racist according to the liberals.
This is why the polls got it so wrong in 2016; and most likely will again in 2020.
This is why the polls got it so wrong in 2016; and most likely will again in 2020.
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But that doesn’t make sense as polls are supposed to be random and anonymous. How would the liberals or anyone know who one supported in the poll? Also, polls got it wrong in 2016 but margin was much thinner than now.
Also, a major news broke a couple days prior to the 2016 elections about Hilary and the emails. Trump would really need a miracle like that again.
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Also, I may agree if it was just the ‘liberal’ media showing Biden with a lead but even Fox News shows Biden ahead with a 10 point margin.
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His favorite is about to lose, let him cope.
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It's the other way round; when asked, they don't reveal who they would actually vote for. Plus the polling is mostly done in swing states.
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Even if Trump loses, he's done what he needed to.
Only the delusional believe if Trump is loses, things will get back to normal, no quite the opposite, Trump loses thing will get much worse in Amreeka.
Win/Win.
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Plus if you factor in the Electrol system, the polling data is utterly unreliable. As was in 2016, even though Clinton won the popular vote, she lost.
Liberals will cling to any stat.
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Yep schools should just stop teaching inferential statistics
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Joe Biden reads from a giant teleprompter at another sparsely attended rally
The teleprompter is bigger than the crowd.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/joe-b...tm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=fb-blazemedia
The teleprompter is bigger than the crowd.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/joe-b...tm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=fb-blazemedia
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Biden campaign warns against complacency in memo: 'Donald Trump can still win this'
Fox News obtained a memo from the Biden campaign cautioning about rosy polls
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...cency-in-memo-donald-trump-can-still-win-this
Fox News obtained a memo from the Biden campaign cautioning about rosy polls
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...cency-in-memo-donald-trump-can-still-win-this
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But he has implicitly supported the Proud Boys who are another violent fascist group declared as extremist by the FBI, though not all members are connected to white supremacy.
I don’t think that Trump is actually a fascist - he was a Democrat until recently - but he is happy to use racist feeling as a sales and marketing tool and for that reason alone should be unconscionable to any person of colour with the education to understand his tactics. Every day he remains in the White House widens the racial fault lines in American society.
The left continually claim Trump is racist and some have swallowed their propaganda. It has been proven so many times that he is not racist I'm not even going to get into that.
The proud boys are led by a latino which burnt the left because they were calling them a white supremacist group only to find that there are many members that are black. Now they say oh yeah but some of them have ties to white supremacist.
If your only source of information is controlled by the left then yes you may think that Trump is racist.
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Trump says he might leave US if he loses to Biden in Presidential election
President Donald Trump has that that he might leave the United States if he loses the upcoming elections against Joe Biden.
“Could you imagine if I lose?” Trump told supporters gathered at an airport in Macon, Georgia. “I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country, I don’t know,” Trump added, while drawing laughs from the crowd.
Trump told the crowd that Biden was the “worst candidate in the history of presidential elections”.
Earlier he had laughed as he called for Biden and his family to be jailed.
“That is a corrupt family. ‘Lock them up.’ You should lock them up, lock up the Bidens, lock up Hillary, lock them up,” said Mr Trump as his supporters cheered him on.
The New York Times reported that Trump is trailing behind Biden in polls as well as in campaign contributions.
Biden has raised a record $383 million compared to Trump’s $247 million last month.
Trump said he wasn’t planning to raise any more money.
“I could raise more money,” he said. “I would be the world’s greatest fund-raiser, but I just don’t want to do it.”
https://www.brecorder.com/news/4002...if-he-loses-to-biden-in-presidential-election
President Donald Trump has that that he might leave the United States if he loses the upcoming elections against Joe Biden.
“Could you imagine if I lose?” Trump told supporters gathered at an airport in Macon, Georgia. “I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country, I don’t know,” Trump added, while drawing laughs from the crowd.
Trump told the crowd that Biden was the “worst candidate in the history of presidential elections”.
Earlier he had laughed as he called for Biden and his family to be jailed.
“That is a corrupt family. ‘Lock them up.’ You should lock them up, lock up the Bidens, lock up Hillary, lock them up,” said Mr Trump as his supporters cheered him on.
The New York Times reported that Trump is trailing behind Biden in polls as well as in campaign contributions.
Biden has raised a record $383 million compared to Trump’s $247 million last month.
Trump said he wasn’t planning to raise any more money.
“I could raise more money,” he said. “I would be the world’s greatest fund-raiser, but I just don’t want to do it.”
https://www.brecorder.com/news/4002...if-he-loses-to-biden-in-presidential-election
Election history is fascinating, so been reading up this week on some dramatic and close US elections decided by razor-thin margins.
1948 - Harry Truman was widely viewed as dead and buried against Republican challenger Thomas Dewey. The Chicago Tribune infamously printed a headline "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN" and all the polls predicted a win for Dewey, though opinion polling was archaic at the time. There was a late swing to Truman, and crucially won three swing states Ohio, California and Illinois by less than 1%, leading the Democratic Party to a fifth straight general election victory.
1960 - John Kennedy won the popular vote by a mere 112,000 votes (0.17%) defeating Richard Nixon. He won Illinois by 8,850 votes and Missouri by 9,980 votes. Had both states swung to Richard Nixon - the election would've had to be decided in the House of Representatives as neither man would've got the needed 269 Electoral College votes !
2000 - The infamous election that was decided in the Supreme Court. Al Gore won the popular vote but George W Bush won the electoral college with the deciding state of Florida at the centre of controversy. Bush officially won Florida by 537 votes, though it's said had there been a full statewide hand recount, the election would've gone to Gore.
2004 - A forgotten election, but again a razor-thin margin proved decisive this time in Ohio which was decided by 118,000 votes. With Ohio, Kerry would've had 271 Electoral College votes and would've won the Presidency.
1948 - Harry Truman was widely viewed as dead and buried against Republican challenger Thomas Dewey. The Chicago Tribune infamously printed a headline "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN" and all the polls predicted a win for Dewey, though opinion polling was archaic at the time. There was a late swing to Truman, and crucially won three swing states Ohio, California and Illinois by less than 1%, leading the Democratic Party to a fifth straight general election victory.
1960 - John Kennedy won the popular vote by a mere 112,000 votes (0.17%) defeating Richard Nixon. He won Illinois by 8,850 votes and Missouri by 9,980 votes. Had both states swung to Richard Nixon - the election would've had to be decided in the House of Representatives as neither man would've got the needed 269 Electoral College votes !
2000 - The infamous election that was decided in the Supreme Court. Al Gore won the popular vote but George W Bush won the electoral college with the deciding state of Florida at the centre of controversy. Bush officially won Florida by 537 votes, though it's said had there been a full statewide hand recount, the election would've gone to Gore.
2004 - A forgotten election, but again a razor-thin margin proved decisive this time in Ohio which was decided by 118,000 votes. With Ohio, Kerry would've had 271 Electoral College votes and would've won the Presidency.
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Read what I posted. Did I write that he was racist, or that he is deliberately stirring up racist feeling?
So only *some* Proud Boys are racist. I suppose it’s possible to be a non-racist fascist. Trump deliberately courts them, dog whistles to them.
Listen beyond the face value of his words and dig into the context, the deeper structure of what he is saying.
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Note, when liberals are pushed for evidence, they retreat.
Liberals now claiming "Did I write he (Trump) was racist."
Cop-out of all cop-outs. These very liberal lunatics spent a good part of 4 years claiming Trump was racist. You can even quote them from PP.
Don't believe the hype.
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For those of you who are visual learners....
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follow the story of Biden's crack head son, Delaware pawn shop and his corruption
plenty of material for you if you know what I mean
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follow the story of Biden's crack head son, Delaware pawn shop and his corruption
plenty of material for you if you know what I mean
start at around 5
Biden was responsible for the 1994 crime bill that targeted black americans and increased locking up people.
Trump introduced the first step act which righted many of the wrongs in that crime bill and released thousands of black americans.
If you vote Trump you aint black.
Trump introduced the first step act which righted many of the wrongs in that crime bill and released thousands of black americans.
If you vote Trump you aint black.
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Joe Biden worried in 1977 that certain de-segregation policies would cause his children to grow up 'in a racial jungle'
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...ation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7?amp
Biden is an outright racist.
Yet liberals want this guy as President. Well, anyone who support Biden not only supports a racist but also a kiddy-fiddler.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...ation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7?amp
Biden is an outright racist.
Yet liberals want this guy as President. Well, anyone who support Biden not only supports a racist but also a kiddy-fiddler.
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^ notwithstanding all of the above, Biden still seems to be winning handsomely. Just goes to show how badly Trump has messed this up.
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Yes I have been thinking along the same lines for a couple of days..
just in May it was a no contest with predictions of huge victory
people were comparing it to Reagans win (which was stupid Reagan was a beast just look at this crazy looking picture)
Covid 19 destroyed Trump's chances becauseI feel his actions were not decisive on either side
opening or closing of economy
and this is coming back to bite him in his b***
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another crazy picture from the 80 election while removing a sitting president I mean he did unprecedented stuff
no wonder Reagan is a God among boomers...
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Yea that looks insane! Trump likely wouldn’t have pulled that off but it did look like a landslide victory for him near the beginning of the year.
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You should look at the map of 84 then.. hahah
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If anyone doubts that voter suppression is absent or not present in indirect forms, they need only examine the long waiting lines for early voting. yes, early voting turnout has been stupendous, but the waiting times have not been that obtuse in certain neighborhoods (think conservative, white, affluent neighborhoods).
I live in Austin, Texas and while this city is very cosmopolitan, with racial and ethnic diversity, the waiting times were abhorrently long. However, just north of Austin, in a comparably densely populated suburb of Georgetown, which is the most Right leaning county in the entire country, the waiting times were non existent. Austin had 8 early voting centers, each with waiting times in excess of 45 minutes. Georgetown had 3 centers, none with any waiting time.
It may very well be the result of enthusiastic turnout, but something rankles me about the disparity.
I live in Austin, Texas and while this city is very cosmopolitan, with racial and ethnic diversity, the waiting times were abhorrently long. However, just north of Austin, in a comparably densely populated suburb of Georgetown, which is the most Right leaning county in the entire country, the waiting times were non existent. Austin had 8 early voting centers, each with waiting times in excess of 45 minutes. Georgetown had 3 centers, none with any waiting time.
It may very well be the result of enthusiastic turnout, but something rankles me about the disparity.
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people change. people learn. people improve.
Trump hasnt changed. He is still the racist, islamaphobic, bag of odorous human excrement that his daddy was.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Governor Gretchen Whitmer displayed an "86 45" sign during her TV appearance.<br><br>86 can be shorthand for killing someone.<br><br>Whitmer is encouraging assassination attempts against President Trump just weeks after someone sent a ricin-laced package to the White House. <a href="https://t.co/GzvtrjH40A">pic.twitter.com/GzvtrjH40A</a></p>— Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022 (@TrumpWarRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1317887947304280071?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Trump’s campaign staff seem to be losing their mind. I guess that’s what happens when you associate too much with qanon.
Trump’s campaign staff seem to be losing their mind. I guess that’s what happens when you associate too much with qanon.
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Hardly unprecedented. Have a look at FDR’s election maps. Reagan benefited from a series of disasters which were beyond the incumbent Carter’s control, such as the military failure to rescue the Iran hostages and the Three Mile Island nuclear incident.
Americans had lost confidence in their nation and wanted a fresh start, and Reagan was good at evoking an image of a shining city on a hill.
I’m of that generation and would never have voted for him. He was suffering from dementia and was too warlike for me at the height of the Cold War. We felt he was going to start a nuclear exchange by accident. He did nothing as the AIDS pandemic took hold. His supply-side economics increased inequality and penalised minorities. But he was probably an above-average President,in that he won the Cold War when the USSR went broke and fragmented into nation states.
84 was the craziest thing I ever saw
It was like seeing a ufo for the first time
Landslides were more common back then. Have a look at Richard Nixon's 1972 election win where he carried 49 states.
Lyndon Johnson in 1964 took 61% of the popular vote which hasn't been matched since.
Right I don't know why I even bother with you, but let me debunk your nonsense for the very last time as trolls like you aren't worth wasting one's energies over. Joe Biden is not my idea of a leader. His career is littered with one poor judgement after another. Not only were his remarks on desegregation were troubling, his support for the 2003 Iraq War, the Bankruptcy Bill and his poor choice of language at times makes him a reluctant choice for many progressives. He's also past his prime.
The problem is he's up against a man who has weaponised facts and lies in almost every breath, whose bungling has overseen the deaths of 210,000 people and mounting, who exacerbates racial divisions, who has cut off diplomatic relations and aid to the Palestinians who continue to be subjugated by a far-right Israeli government, murdered a foreign general and tore up the Iran nuclear deal despite Iranian compliance, allowed the Saudis to murder a US citizen-journalist with impunity and who incites violence against the press.
I know playing dumb comes naturally to trolls like you but there's ample evidence of Trump's racism. To even ask for evidence is evidence itself of how disingenuous you are but here goes:
- Richard Nixon's (yes that famous liberal) Justice Department sued Trump after federal officials found evidence Trump refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available.
- Demanding the death penalty for the Central Park Five and claiming they were guilty even AFTER being found INNOCENT by DNA evidence.
- John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump as saying "laziness is a trait inherent in blacks" - and Trump himself in a 1997 Playboy interview admitted O'Donnell's book was true !
- Leading the Birther Movement.
- Asking for a ban on Muslim immigration in 2015 and implementing one in office (funny how quickly you forgot that since you parade as some champion against Islamophobia)
- Said in 2015 that he believes "Islam hates America".
- Refused to condemn two brothers arrested in Boston in August 2015 for beating up a homeless Latino man. They cited Trump’s anti-immigrant message when explaining why they did it. Trump said they were "passionate people who loved their country".
- Argued in 2016 that Judge Curiel — overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”
- Telling a group of four minority female politicians they should "go back to their own country" even though three of them were born in the US !
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-racism-examples_n_5991dcabe4b09071f69b9261?ncid
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
Again though you know all this but are wilfully ignorant because you are a manchild you finds politics, peoples' lives, their suffering nothing more than weekly entertainment. You cry for "EVIDENCE" yet keep mum when Trump makes outlandish claims on a daily basis with ZERO proof.
Now carry on abusing, continue to throw out puerile taunts like "loony left" and "liberal lunatics" and show your family values.
Oh, and finally, please stop accusing others of hypocrisy. You are confessed on this forum you were a clubber in the 1960s and 1970s and attended various late night institutions. There's nothing wrong with that - but you took EVERY advantage of liberal society but now you pretend to be a conservative Champion of Islam. So don't dare talk about hypocrisy uncle.
Have a nice week.
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Boring. Same old spiel from liberals. Most of it irrelevant and debunked anyway.
Doesn't change the fact Biden said what he did. He is an outright racist and a China puppet. Crook from top to bottom.
Interesting though is that liberals are now claiming they never called Trump (and Brexit) supporters racist, and now captain obvious pulls out the birther movement.
Liberalism is the disease to destroy, not covid 19. It's obvious they're running scared now, now that their name calling and lies have been exposed.
Doesn't change the fact Biden said what he did. He is an outright racist and a China puppet. Crook from top to bottom.
Interesting though is that liberals are now claiming they never called Trump (and Brexit) supporters racist, and now captain obvious pulls out the birther movement.
Liberalism is the disease to destroy, not covid 19. It's obvious they're running scared now, now that their name calling and lies have been exposed.
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follow the story of Biden's crack head son, Delaware pawn shop and his corruption
plenty of material for you if you know what I mean
Biden is a known crook and the MSM have been shielding him. Well Biden might have the MSM on his side, but he doesn't have the supporters. Trumps leading in key states, if not, he's neck and neck.
Was watching a video of Trump's drive from a rally towards NV, last night. His supporters were standing miles and mile at length on the side, right up to the freeway junction. The guy is a rockstar.
Of course if he loses, that's when the real fun begins!
Boring. Same old spiel from liberals. Most of it irrelevant and debunked anyway.
Doesn't change the fact Biden said what he did. He is an outright racist and a China puppet. Crook from top to bottom.
Interesting though is that liberals are now claiming they never called Trump (and Brexit) supporters racist, and now captain obvious pulls out the birther movement.
Liberalism is the disease to destroy, not covid 19. It's obvious they're running scared now, now that their name calling and lies have been exposed.
Cowardice. I knew you didn't have the guts to debate my points. I see what a snowflake looks like now.
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Yup you are right, I don't want to debate with you neoliberals, given your previous stunt backfired, your Brexit nonsense, and your knack of generalising - you have nothing to offer on this topic. Any way, you did say have a nice week!
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Biden : Every racist moment:
https://www.facebook.com/MisterReagan/videos/413376266317964/
The 7-11 comment, and about Indian accents.
Don't believe the hype folks, Biden changed his colours (pun fully intended) when Obama picked him as VP. Biden is an outright racist.
https://www.facebook.com/MisterReagan/videos/413376266317964/
The 7-11 comment, and about Indian accents.
Don't believe the hype folks, Biden changed his colours (pun fully intended) when Obama picked him as VP. Biden is an outright racist.
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I don’t understand exactly what is being achieved by this whole debate about who is more racist between Trump and Biden. Both candidates are in their 70s, it would actually be a surprise if they haven’t said anything racist in their careers.
It’s pretty clear at this point that these are not the major factors that will play a part on who will be president . People care about how their life is going to get better now and going forward.
From what I see people are definitely getting tired of this mud slinging politics and just want to see a concrete plan of handling the virus and getting the economy back on track.
Overall, the current strategy is definitely hurting Trump more than Biden.
It’s pretty clear at this point that these are not the major factors that will play a part on who will be president . People care about how their life is going to get better now and going forward.
From what I see people are definitely getting tired of this mud slinging politics and just want to see a concrete plan of handling the virus and getting the economy back on track.
Overall, the current strategy is definitely hurting Trump more than Biden.
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Had the Democrats spent time grooming a fresh candiate, with youth and vigour, instead of spending 4 years trying to overturn Trump's win, we would be in a different situation.
Biden was meant to run in 2016, until Obama convinced Biden, it was Hillary's turn. Hillary was damaged goods. These same Democrats repeatedly stated Trump would never win, hey presto, complacency got the better of them. As a result Democrats have very little in policy, but plenty in mud.
I think its too early to say who is winning in terms of strategy, but Trump can get away with anything and his base will love it. His Rockstar persona have packed rallies to the rafters, with 10000s queing outside etc.
Trump is neck and neck in key swing states. He feeds of controversy. He's accomplishment as presidents are ignored.
All this mud slinging, why by the way isn't anything new in US politics, has one main purporse - the colour and gender vote.
It's not over till the fat lady sings.
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Trump: Biden will 'listen to the scientists' if elected
https://thehill.com/homenews/521638-trump-biden-will-listen-to-the-scientists-if-elected
Why is Trump campaigning for Biden?
https://thehill.com/homenews/521638-trump-biden-will-listen-to-the-scientists-if-elected
Why is Trump campaigning for Biden?
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He's refering to WHO, who balled up the advice on C19, being the beacons of health science and all that.
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One change in strategy I noticed from Trump"s campaign is that he now straight up says he's not a politician, but a businessman.
This line is going down well. His voters are tired of politicians and want a businessman to run the country instead cos all that matters in the end, is money.
This line is going down well. His voters are tired of politicians and want a businessman to run the country instead cos all that matters in the end, is money.
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Yea I guess we will find out in November or maybe later lol. But to be brutally honest, it is already a big failure on Trumps part that it has gotten to this stage when it really should have been a landslide victory. Especially against a weak opposition candidate like Biden, who by your own admission is well past his prime.
Before you call me a neo-liberal lol I do want to clarify that I preferred a Trump re-election pre-Covid times. However, he just completely messed up handling the virus. I thought him getting COVID was his last shot at a comeback by showing a more sober approach to the virus but no the guy is just not capable of it.
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Sometimes it's not the voters that decide elections, but events. C19 no doubt hurt Trump's relection campaign and provided traction for the Democrats. At the same time I think it's unfair to blame any government on the handling of the crisis after the conflicting advice from WHO.
Anyhow here we are, and the reality is that voters aren't voting for policies anymore, but whether the candidate is the right colour/gender. Sad state of affairs.
The entire voting process/structure/system needs to change, both in USA/UK. One man one vote. Decide the winner on the basis of the popular vote. This forces candidates to campaign in all states/counties rather than focus on swing states/seats.
PS: I know you're not a Neo-liberal, because you have not resorted to name calling when I disagree with you.
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10-20X people watched the RNC compared to the DNC.
Trump will likely pull ahead in the T.V. era, despite the Republicans controlling the Senate and Democrats controlling the House.
Very close election it will be b/c for voters, the only thing worse than a terrible candidate is a boring one.
Trump will likely pull ahead in the T.V. era, despite the Republicans controlling the Senate and Democrats controlling the House.
Very close election it will be b/c for voters, the only thing worse than a terrible candidate is a boring one.
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Microphones will be muted during the final US presidential debate to avoid Donald Trump and Joe Biden interrupting one another, it has been confirmed.
The new rules will mean Mr Trump and Mr Biden get two minutes to answer each question uninterrupted, the debate commission said on Monday.
The new rules will mean Mr Trump and Mr Biden get two minutes to answer each question uninterrupted, the debate commission said on Monday.
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So Foreign Policy not included in the last debate. The MSM protecting Biden of course.
No doubt Trump will use his time wisely!
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The campaign for United States President Donald Trump has objected to the chosen topics for Thursday’s election debate in Nashville, Tennessee, declaring the final face-off between the candidates was meant to be the “foreign policy debate” and accusing organisers of pro-Biden bias.
Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien, in a Monday letter to the non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates, said that debate “was always billed as the ‘Foreign Policy Debate'” as was “agreed to by both the Trump campaign and Biden campaign many months ago”.
On Friday, the debate moderator, NBC News’ Kristen Welker, announced the debate topics would be fighting COVID-19, American families, race in America, climate change, national security and leadership. It was unclear if there had ever been a formal agreement on what the topics would be, although, in past elections, foreign policy has factored prominently in final presidential debates.
In the letter to the debate organisers, Stepien decried “the commission’s pro-Biden antics” and said the foreign policy omission stood to benefit the Democratic challenger.
“We understand that Joe Biden is desperate to avoid conversations about his own foreign policy record, especially since President Trump has secured historic peace agreements among Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain,” he wrote, alleging the commission had intentionally sought to benefit Biden in the first debate and in the cancelled second one.
The campaign has also slammed the commission’s decision, announced on Monday, to mute the candidates during portions of the debate when the other candidate is speaking – a response to the chaotic first debate in Cleveland, Ohio that often devolved into a shouting match.
A second debate scheduled for October 15 was cancelled after Trump refused to agree to a digital format following his COVID-19 diagnosis. The candidates instead were featured in dueling prime-time town hall events on separate US TV networks.
Trump, for his part, has continued to attack the framework of the debate, while accusing moderator Welker of being a “radical left Democrat” during a rally in Arizona on Monday.
“These people are not good people,” he said of the debate commission on Tuesday, in an interview on Fox News, adding there was “nothing fair” about the upcoming event.
Despite the harsh words, Trump and his campaign have said he will participate in the debate, hoping the final face-to-face meeting between the candidates will give the president a bump amid lagging polls going into Election Day on November 3.
Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien, in a Monday letter to the non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates, said that debate “was always billed as the ‘Foreign Policy Debate'” as was “agreed to by both the Trump campaign and Biden campaign many months ago”.
On Friday, the debate moderator, NBC News’ Kristen Welker, announced the debate topics would be fighting COVID-19, American families, race in America, climate change, national security and leadership. It was unclear if there had ever been a formal agreement on what the topics would be, although, in past elections, foreign policy has factored prominently in final presidential debates.
In the letter to the debate organisers, Stepien decried “the commission’s pro-Biden antics” and said the foreign policy omission stood to benefit the Democratic challenger.
“We understand that Joe Biden is desperate to avoid conversations about his own foreign policy record, especially since President Trump has secured historic peace agreements among Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain,” he wrote, alleging the commission had intentionally sought to benefit Biden in the first debate and in the cancelled second one.
The campaign has also slammed the commission’s decision, announced on Monday, to mute the candidates during portions of the debate when the other candidate is speaking – a response to the chaotic first debate in Cleveland, Ohio that often devolved into a shouting match.
A second debate scheduled for October 15 was cancelled after Trump refused to agree to a digital format following his COVID-19 diagnosis. The candidates instead were featured in dueling prime-time town hall events on separate US TV networks.
Trump, for his part, has continued to attack the framework of the debate, while accusing moderator Welker of being a “radical left Democrat” during a rally in Arizona on Monday.
“These people are not good people,” he said of the debate commission on Tuesday, in an interview on Fox News, adding there was “nothing fair” about the upcoming event.
Despite the harsh words, Trump and his campaign have said he will participate in the debate, hoping the final face-to-face meeting between the candidates will give the president a bump amid lagging polls going into Election Day on November 3.
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There are now just 13 days to the US election on 3 November. President Trump trails Joe Biden in most national polls
Former US President Barack Obama is making his first personal appearance on the campaign trail, stumping for Biden
On Tuesday evening, President Trump cut short a CBS "60 Minutes" interview and tweeted against the journalist Lesley Stahl
The New York Times reports that Trump has a Chinese bank account and spent years pursuing business projects in the country
The US president has been critical of US firms doing business in China and sparked a trade war between the two countries
Joe Biden is off the campaign trail today preparing for Thursday’s last presidential debate in Nashville, Tennessee
President Trump will attend a rally in Gastonia, North Carolina
Former US President Barack Obama is making his first personal appearance on the campaign trail, stumping for Biden
On Tuesday evening, President Trump cut short a CBS "60 Minutes" interview and tweeted against the journalist Lesley Stahl
The New York Times reports that Trump has a Chinese bank account and spent years pursuing business projects in the country
The US president has been critical of US firms doing business in China and sparked a trade war between the two countries
Joe Biden is off the campaign trail today preparing for Thursday’s last presidential debate in Nashville, Tennessee
President Trump will attend a rally in Gastonia, North Carolina
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Trump ends ’60 Minutes’ interview, attacks Lesley Stahl on Twitter
At the White House on Tuesday afternoon, President Donald Trump ended a fiery interview taping with CBS News’ “60 Minutes,” proceeded to launch an attack against the interviewer on Twitter for not wearing a mask, and threatened to post the interview before it aired.
The drama unfolded after Trump was frustrated with the line of questioning and how the interview was being conducted, said one person familiar with the episode, while another in the room described the president as “******.”
The president spent more than 40 minutes with CBS News correspondent Lesley Stahl, and did not proceed to shoot a second portion of the interview that included Vice President Mike Pence. Following a short break, the president decided he had spent enough time in the interview, one White House official said. Pence went on to spend 15 minutes with Stahl and the “60 Minutes” crew.
After the interview, the president tweeted a video of Stahl speaking to producers inside the White House without a mask accompanied by the message: “Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes not wearing a mask in the White House after her interview with me. Much more to come.”
“This is moments after she criticized me for not wearing a mask while working at my desk,” tweeted assistant White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt. “Rules for thee but not for me, Lesley?”
Both Stahl and Trump were hospitalized with the coronavirus, and Leavitt was one of the press staff who contracted the virus in early October.
Another person familiar with the interview said of the video clip: “This image is from immediately following the interview with the CBS team, who had all been tested. Lesley had a mask on leading into the interviews, as appropriate.”
On Tuesday evening, just before leaving the White House for a campaign rally in Pennsylvania, the president implied that the “60 Minutes” broadcast would not reflect what actually happened in the interview.
“I am pleased to inform you that, for the sake of accuracy in reporting, I am considering posting my interview with Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes, PRIOR TO AIRTIME!” Trump wrote on Twitter. “This will be done so that everybody can get a glimpse of what a FAKE and BIASED interview is all about…”
A CBS representative later said that White House had agreed it was taping the interview for archival purposes only.
At his rally in Erie, Pa., on Tuesday night, the president said: “You have to watch what we do to ’60 Minutes.’ You’ll get such a kick out of it. You’re going to get a kick out of it. Leslie Stahl’s not going to be happy.”
The president also taped a town hall in the Rose Garden on Tuesday with former Fox News host Eric Bolling that is airing on the Sinclair Broadcasting Network.
CBS News did not respond to a request for comment on the interview’s abrupt conclusion, which was first reported by CNN.
“60 Minutes” plans to broadcast the interview on Sunday night in a special that will also feature Joe Biden and his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/trump-ends-60-minutes-interview-430466
At the White House on Tuesday afternoon, President Donald Trump ended a fiery interview taping with CBS News’ “60 Minutes,” proceeded to launch an attack against the interviewer on Twitter for not wearing a mask, and threatened to post the interview before it aired.
The drama unfolded after Trump was frustrated with the line of questioning and how the interview was being conducted, said one person familiar with the episode, while another in the room described the president as “******.”
The president spent more than 40 minutes with CBS News correspondent Lesley Stahl, and did not proceed to shoot a second portion of the interview that included Vice President Mike Pence. Following a short break, the president decided he had spent enough time in the interview, one White House official said. Pence went on to spend 15 minutes with Stahl and the “60 Minutes” crew.
After the interview, the president tweeted a video of Stahl speaking to producers inside the White House without a mask accompanied by the message: “Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes not wearing a mask in the White House after her interview with me. Much more to come.”
“This is moments after she criticized me for not wearing a mask while working at my desk,” tweeted assistant White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt. “Rules for thee but not for me, Lesley?”
Both Stahl and Trump were hospitalized with the coronavirus, and Leavitt was one of the press staff who contracted the virus in early October.
Another person familiar with the interview said of the video clip: “This image is from immediately following the interview with the CBS team, who had all been tested. Lesley had a mask on leading into the interviews, as appropriate.”
On Tuesday evening, just before leaving the White House for a campaign rally in Pennsylvania, the president implied that the “60 Minutes” broadcast would not reflect what actually happened in the interview.
“I am pleased to inform you that, for the sake of accuracy in reporting, I am considering posting my interview with Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes, PRIOR TO AIRTIME!” Trump wrote on Twitter. “This will be done so that everybody can get a glimpse of what a FAKE and BIASED interview is all about…”
A CBS representative later said that White House had agreed it was taping the interview for archival purposes only.
At his rally in Erie, Pa., on Tuesday night, the president said: “You have to watch what we do to ’60 Minutes.’ You’ll get such a kick out of it. You’re going to get a kick out of it. Leslie Stahl’s not going to be happy.”
The president also taped a town hall in the Rose Garden on Tuesday with former Fox News host Eric Bolling that is airing on the Sinclair Broadcasting Network.
CBS News did not respond to a request for comment on the interview’s abrupt conclusion, which was first reported by CNN.
“60 Minutes” plans to broadcast the interview on Sunday night in a special that will also feature Joe Biden and his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/trump-ends-60-minutes-interview-430466
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Laptop connected to Hunter Biden linked to FBI money laundering probe: report
The FBI subpoena of Hunter Biden’s alleged computer and hard drive came in connection with a money-laundering investigation, according to documents obtained by Fox News.
The 2019 papers were verified by multiple federal law enforcement and government officials who reviewed them, but it’s unclear whether the investigation is directly related to the Democratic presidential nominee’s son.
The documents were signed by FBI Special Agent Joshua Wilson, who did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.
One document was designated as an FBI “Receipt for Property” form, which details the bureau’s interactions with the owner of “The Mac Shop” who reported the laptop’s contents to authorities.
The document has a “Case ID” section, which is filled in with a hand-written number: 272D-BA-3065729.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/hunter-biden-laptop-linked-to-fbi-money-laundering-probe-report/
The FBI subpoena of Hunter Biden’s alleged computer and hard drive came in connection with a money-laundering investigation, according to documents obtained by Fox News.
The 2019 papers were verified by multiple federal law enforcement and government officials who reviewed them, but it’s unclear whether the investigation is directly related to the Democratic presidential nominee’s son.
The documents were signed by FBI Special Agent Joshua Wilson, who did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.
One document was designated as an FBI “Receipt for Property” form, which details the bureau’s interactions with the owner of “The Mac Shop” who reported the laptop’s contents to authorities.
The document has a “Case ID” section, which is filled in with a hand-written number: 272D-BA-3065729.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/hunter-biden-laptop-linked-to-fbi-money-laundering-probe-report/
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US President Donald Trump and his predecessor, Barack Obama, have directed blistering barbs at each other during rival rallies.
Stumping in Pennsylvania for Democratic White House nominee Joe Biden, Mr Obama likened Mr Trump to a "crazy uncle" and said he gives succour to racists.
In North Carolina, the Republican president mocked Mr Obama for being wrong about the 2016 election outcome.
With 13 days to go until this election, Mr Biden holds a solid lead nationally.
But the margin is slimmer in the handful of US states that could go either way and ultimately decide the outcome on 3 November.
Americast: Hunter Biden's laptop
Americans are voting early at a record pace this year, with 42 million having already cast ballots both by post and in person.
What did Trump say?
Mr Trump trained most of his fire during his rally in Gastonia on Wednesday evening on his current Democratic challenger for the White House.
He said the choice for voters was between a "Trump super-recovery" or a "Biden steep depression".
Mr Biden has been off the campaign trail all week preparing for the final presidential debate on Thursday night in Nashville, Tennessee, while Mr Trump barnstorms the battleground states.
The president could not resist taking a pop at Mr Obama, who hit the campaign trail in person about an hour earlier for the first time since the August political conventions.
"There was nobody that campaigned harder for crooked Hillary Clinton than Obama, right?" Mr Trump told rally-goers, who booed at the mention of his old adversaries' names. "He was all over the place."
The president added: "I think the only one more unhappy than crooked Hillary that night was Barack Hussein Obama."
media captionBiden or Trump? Persuading an undecided voter
Mr Trump, a Republican, also mocked Mr Obama's reported initial lack of enthusiasm for the White House bid of Mr Biden, who was his vice-president from 2009-2017.
In 2016, Mr Obama reportedly pressured Mr Biden to sit out the race and allow Hillary Clinton to run, believing she had the better chance of defeating Mr Trump.
Last year Mr Obama said there was a need for "new blood" in the Democratic leadership, which was widely interpreted as a slight to Mr Biden.
What did Obama say?
After lacerating attacks on Mr Trump over his handling of the coronavirus and the economy, Mr Obama turned at a drive-in rally in Philadelphia to the president's tweets.
He said if Mr Biden won, "we're not going to have a president who goes out of his way to insult anybody who doesn't support him, or threaten them with jail. That's not normal presidential behaviour."
media captionWho really decides the US election?
Mr Obama - who remains one of the most popular figures in the Democratic party - said voters would not tolerate such conduct from a family member, "except for maybe a crazy uncle somewhere".
"Why are folks making excuses for that?" he said. "Oh, well that's just, that's just him. No, it's… no! There are consequences to these actions.
"They embolden other people to be cruel. And divisive. And racist. And it frays the fabric of our society."
He added: "That behaviour matters. Character matters."
On the pandemic, Mr Obama alluded to his rival's recent bout of Covid-19: "Donald Trump isn't suddenly going to protect all of us. He can't even take the basic steps to protect himself."
media captionCan election polling predict who will become the next US president?
Almost 280 vehicles were spread throughout the car park, honking in appreciation at Mr Obama's lines of attack.
Mr Obama will next hit the campaign trail in the potentially pivotal election state of Florida, travelling to Miami on Saturday and Orlando next week.
Stumping in Pennsylvania for Democratic White House nominee Joe Biden, Mr Obama likened Mr Trump to a "crazy uncle" and said he gives succour to racists.
In North Carolina, the Republican president mocked Mr Obama for being wrong about the 2016 election outcome.
With 13 days to go until this election, Mr Biden holds a solid lead nationally.
But the margin is slimmer in the handful of US states that could go either way and ultimately decide the outcome on 3 November.
Americast: Hunter Biden's laptop
Americans are voting early at a record pace this year, with 42 million having already cast ballots both by post and in person.
What did Trump say?
Mr Trump trained most of his fire during his rally in Gastonia on Wednesday evening on his current Democratic challenger for the White House.
He said the choice for voters was between a "Trump super-recovery" or a "Biden steep depression".
Mr Biden has been off the campaign trail all week preparing for the final presidential debate on Thursday night in Nashville, Tennessee, while Mr Trump barnstorms the battleground states.
The president could not resist taking a pop at Mr Obama, who hit the campaign trail in person about an hour earlier for the first time since the August political conventions.
"There was nobody that campaigned harder for crooked Hillary Clinton than Obama, right?" Mr Trump told rally-goers, who booed at the mention of his old adversaries' names. "He was all over the place."
The president added: "I think the only one more unhappy than crooked Hillary that night was Barack Hussein Obama."
media captionBiden or Trump? Persuading an undecided voter
Mr Trump, a Republican, also mocked Mr Obama's reported initial lack of enthusiasm for the White House bid of Mr Biden, who was his vice-president from 2009-2017.
In 2016, Mr Obama reportedly pressured Mr Biden to sit out the race and allow Hillary Clinton to run, believing she had the better chance of defeating Mr Trump.
Last year Mr Obama said there was a need for "new blood" in the Democratic leadership, which was widely interpreted as a slight to Mr Biden.
What did Obama say?
After lacerating attacks on Mr Trump over his handling of the coronavirus and the economy, Mr Obama turned at a drive-in rally in Philadelphia to the president's tweets.
He said if Mr Biden won, "we're not going to have a president who goes out of his way to insult anybody who doesn't support him, or threaten them with jail. That's not normal presidential behaviour."
media captionWho really decides the US election?
Mr Obama - who remains one of the most popular figures in the Democratic party - said voters would not tolerate such conduct from a family member, "except for maybe a crazy uncle somewhere".
"Why are folks making excuses for that?" he said. "Oh, well that's just, that's just him. No, it's… no! There are consequences to these actions.
"They embolden other people to be cruel. And divisive. And racist. And it frays the fabric of our society."
He added: "That behaviour matters. Character matters."
On the pandemic, Mr Obama alluded to his rival's recent bout of Covid-19: "Donald Trump isn't suddenly going to protect all of us. He can't even take the basic steps to protect himself."
media captionCan election polling predict who will become the next US president?
Almost 280 vehicles were spread throughout the car park, honking in appreciation at Mr Obama's lines of attack.
Mr Obama will next hit the campaign trail in the potentially pivotal election state of Florida, travelling to Miami on Saturday and Orlando next week.
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Ivanka Trump makes an 11th-hour pitch to suburban women
The Trump campaign is relying heavily on the president's daughter, Ivanka, in its last-minute bid to win the votes of white, college-educated women.
According to Politico, Ivanka Trump has made 17 campaign stops in the last six weeks in battleground states like Pennsylvania, Florida and Arizona. Her strategy is to personalise the president, and hit more moderate talking points about her work on paid leave, school choice and human trafficking.
Suburban women helped propel Trump to victory in 2016, but some polls now show that rival Joe Biden is winning this crucial demographic by as many as 20 points.
This fact does not seem lost on the president, who remarked at a recent rally, "Can I ask you to do me a favour, suburban women? Will you please like me?" - though Trump says it's meant to be taken in a joking manner.
The Trump campaign is relying heavily on the president's daughter, Ivanka, in its last-minute bid to win the votes of white, college-educated women.
According to Politico, Ivanka Trump has made 17 campaign stops in the last six weeks in battleground states like Pennsylvania, Florida and Arizona. Her strategy is to personalise the president, and hit more moderate talking points about her work on paid leave, school choice and human trafficking.
Suburban women helped propel Trump to victory in 2016, but some polls now show that rival Joe Biden is winning this crucial demographic by as many as 20 points.
This fact does not seem lost on the president, who remarked at a recent rally, "Can I ask you to do me a favour, suburban women? Will you please like me?" - though Trump says it's meant to be taken in a joking manner.
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Hunter’s ex-partner Tony Bobulinski: Joe Biden’s a liar and here’s the proof
NASHVILLE, TENN. — Hunter Biden’s ex-business associate Tony Bobulinski accused Democratic nominee Joe Biden of lying about his involvement in his family’s overseas dealings in a stunning appearance just 90 minutes before Thursday evening’s presidential debate.
“I have heard Joe Biden say he has never discussed his dealings with Hunter. That is false. I have firsthand knowledge about this because I directly dealt with the Biden family, including Joe Biden,” Bobulinski said following The Post’s bombshell reporting on Hunter Biden’s private emails.
Bobulinski, who will be a guest of President Trump at the debate, showed three phones spanning 2015 to 2018 as evidence and said he would be meeting with the Senate and the FBI to hand over electronics.
The US Navy veteran said he was introduced to the former veep in May 2, 2017 by Hunter Biden and the lawmaker’s brother Jim Biden before the Global Milken Conference in Beverly Hills, Calif.
“That night, we discussed the Biden’s history, the Biden family’s plans with the Chinese, with which he was plainly familiar, at least at a high level,” he said in Memphis, Tenn., ahead of the final debate between President Trump and Biden.
“I have no wish to bury anyone. I’ve never been political. The few contributions I have made have been to Democrats. But what I am is a patriot, and a veteran, to protect my family name, and my business reputation. I need to ensure that the true facts are out there,” he said, batting away accusations that he was part of a misinformation plot.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-ex-partner-tony-bobulinski-calls-joe-biden-a-liar/
NASHVILLE, TENN. — Hunter Biden’s ex-business associate Tony Bobulinski accused Democratic nominee Joe Biden of lying about his involvement in his family’s overseas dealings in a stunning appearance just 90 minutes before Thursday evening’s presidential debate.
“I have heard Joe Biden say he has never discussed his dealings with Hunter. That is false. I have firsthand knowledge about this because I directly dealt with the Biden family, including Joe Biden,” Bobulinski said following The Post’s bombshell reporting on Hunter Biden’s private emails.
Bobulinski, who will be a guest of President Trump at the debate, showed three phones spanning 2015 to 2018 as evidence and said he would be meeting with the Senate and the FBI to hand over electronics.
The US Navy veteran said he was introduced to the former veep in May 2, 2017 by Hunter Biden and the lawmaker’s brother Jim Biden before the Global Milken Conference in Beverly Hills, Calif.
“That night, we discussed the Biden’s history, the Biden family’s plans with the Chinese, with which he was plainly familiar, at least at a high level,” he said in Memphis, Tenn., ahead of the final debate between President Trump and Biden.
“I have no wish to bury anyone. I’ve never been political. The few contributions I have made have been to Democrats. But what I am is a patriot, and a veteran, to protect my family name, and my business reputation. I need to ensure that the true facts are out there,” he said, batting away accusations that he was part of a misinformation plot.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-ex-partner-tony-bobulinski-calls-joe-biden-a-liar/
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