US Elections 2020 : The Joe Biden vs Donald Trump Thread

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Man who searched for Biden's home had 'execute' on checklist, court says

A North Carolina man searched earlier this year for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s home online, traveled near the home and wrote a checklist that ended with the word “execute,” according to federal court documents.

The information was contained in documents related to a detention hearing for Alexander Hillel Treisman, who was indicted last month on child abuse imagery charges, held in US district court in Durham. A magistrate, in an order signed 8 October, ordered Treisman to remain in custody.

An officer with the US Marshal’s Service and the Joint Terrorism Task Force testified that a search of Treisman’s electronic devices and account showed a timeline of internet searches between March and May of this year seeking information about Biden’s home address, state gun laws, rifle parts and night vision goggles.

The officer also said the search turned up a meme Treisman posted in April with the caption “should I kill joe biden?” as well as purchasing an AR-15 in New Hampshire, according to the document. It also said the search determined that Treisman had traveled to a fast-food restaurant within four miles (6km) of Biden’s home, and also wrote a checklist note ending with the word “execute”.

The Secret Service did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday night.

Also found on the man’s cellphone was a video shot in April as he drove by the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, where a mass shooting killed 58 people and injured more than 800 at an open-air concert in 2017, according to the court document. It said a note on the phone described a plan for a mass shooting at a mall food court on Christmas or Black Friday, and there were still images from video footage of the mosque shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand, in which 51 worshippers were killed in 2019.

The discoveries began with a report of an abandoned van. An FBI special agent testified that workers at a Kannapolis bank branch reported the van in the parking lot. Police officers looking inside the van saw an AR-15-style rifle, a box for a Taurus .380 handgun, a canister of the explosive material Tannerite and a box of 5.56 caliber ammunition, according to the documents.

The agent said in the records that a search of the van revealed approximately $509,000 in cash; books on survival, bomb making, improvised weapons and Islam, drawings of swastikas and planes crashing into buildings. The search also turned up additional firearms, according to the agent.

The agent testified that Treisman had gone to the bank and asked about the van. Bank employees called police, who took him into custody. A search of the car Treisman used to get to the bank turned up two more guns and three fake driver’s licenses for Washington, Florida and California, according to court records.

In relation to the child abuse imagery charges, authorities said, a warrant showed that a search of three laptops, three hard drives, an additional cellphone and a flash drive found 1,248 videos, 6,721 images of child abuse content and 637 videos and images of child abuse containing sadism and/or masochism content.

A lawyer for the man couldn’t immediately be located late Thursday.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-home-made-checklist-with-execute-court-says

 

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US Election 2020: Biden seeks to clarify remark on ending oil

US President Donald Trump has seized on a TV debate remark by his White House rival Joe Biden about shutting down the oil industry, as the Democrat scrambled to clear up the confusion.

Biden aides on Friday said he had been talking about ending fossil fuel subsidies, not the industry itself, when he spoke of a "transition" from oil.

The Democrat meanwhile again attacked Mr Trump's handling of coronavirus, saying: "He's quit on America."

Mr Biden holds a steady lead in polls.

But the margin is narrower in a handful of states that could vote either way and ultimately decide the race on 3 November.

More than 53 million Americans have already voted in person or by post in a record-breaking turnout driven largely by the coronavirus pandemic.

What did Biden say about oil?
In the final moments of Thursday night's primetime showdown in Nashville, Mr Trump asked his challenger: "Would you close down the oil industry?"

"I would transition from the oil industry, yes," responded Mr Biden, adding, "because the oil industry pollutes significantly".

Mr Biden said fossil fuels had to be replaced by renewable energy over time with the US moving towards net zero emissions.

Democrats from the left of the party are enthused by the idea of the US ending its reliance on oil and gas as part of the fight against climate change.

But such a policy could turn off working-class voters in politically critical states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio and Texas, where many of the industry's employees are based.

What has the Biden campaign said since?
The Democrat's aides released a statement following the debate saying Mr Biden planned to phase out taxpayer subsidies for fossil fuel companies, not the industry altogether.

After the TV duel, Mr Biden himself sought to clarify his remarks by saying fossil fuels would not be eliminated until 2050.

His vice-presidential running mate, Kamala Harris, addressed the controversy on Friday while on the campaign trail in the US state of Georgia.

"Let's be really clear about this," said the California senator. "Joe Biden is not going to ban fracking. He is going to deal with the oil subsidies.

"You know, the president likes to take everything out of context.

"But let's be clear, what Joe was talking about was banning subsidies, but he will not ban fracking in America."

Fracking allows drilling firms to access difficult-to-reach resources of oil and gas.

In the United States it has significantly boosted domestic oil production and driven down gas prices but has prompted concern from environmentalists who want investment to focus on renewable sources of energy.

President Trump's allies have immediately begun running new attack ads seizing on Mr Biden's previous conflicting answers on whether he would end fracking.

Earlier in the campaign cycle Mr Biden had suggested to voters that he favoured ending fracking, but since becoming the Democratic White House nominee he has said his policy is more limited - to end fracking leases on federal land.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54670269.

 

[Giannis]

Man who searched for Biden's home had 'execute' on checklist, court says

A North Carolina man searched earlier this year for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s home online, traveled near the home and wrote a checklist that ended with the word “execute,” according to federal court documents.

The information was contained in documents related to a detention hearing for Alexander Hillel Treisman, who was indicted last month on child abuse imagery charges, held in US district court in Durham. A magistrate, in an order signed 8 October, ordered Treisman to remain in custody.

An officer with the US Marshal’s Service and the Joint Terrorism Task Force testified that a search of Treisman’s electronic devices and account showed a timeline of internet searches between March and May of this year seeking information about Biden’s home address, state gun laws, rifle parts and night vision goggles.

The officer also said the search turned up a meme Treisman posted in April with the caption “should I kill joe biden?” as well as purchasing an AR-15 in New Hampshire, according to the document. It also said the search determined that Treisman had traveled to a fast-food restaurant within four miles (6km) of Biden’s home, and also wrote a checklist note ending with the word “execute”.

The Secret Service did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday night.

Also found on the man’s cellphone was a video shot in April as he drove by the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, where a mass shooting killed 58 people and injured more than 800 at an open-air concert in 2017, according to the court document. It said a note on the phone described a plan for a mass shooting at a mall food court on Christmas or Black Friday, and there were still images from video footage of the mosque shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand, in which 51 worshippers were killed in 2019.

The discoveries began with a report of an abandoned van. An FBI special agent testified that workers at a Kannapolis bank branch reported the van in the parking lot. Police officers looking inside the van saw an AR-15-style rifle, a box for a Taurus .380 handgun, a canister of the explosive material Tannerite and a box of 5.56 caliber ammunition, according to the documents.

The agent said in the records that a search of the van revealed approximately $509,000 in cash; books on survival, bomb making, improvised weapons and Islam, drawings of swastikas and planes crashing into buildings. The search also turned up additional firearms, according to the agent.

The agent testified that Treisman had gone to the bank and asked about the van. Bank employees called police, who took him into custody. A search of the car Treisman used to get to the bank turned up two more guns and three fake driver’s licenses for Washington, Florida and California, according to court records.

In relation to the child abuse imagery charges, authorities said, a warrant showed that a search of three laptops, three hard drives, an additional cellphone and a flash drive found 1,248 videos, 6,721 images of child abuse content and 637 videos and images of child abuse containing sadism and/or masochism content.

A lawyer for the man couldn’t immediately be located late Thursday.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-home-made-checklist-with-execute-court-says

Hilel Triesman? Israeli?

 

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US election 2020: Trump on three-state campaign blitz after casting vote

President Donald Trump has begun a three-state campaign blitz after voting early in Florida.

He is holding rallies in North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin on Saturday as he seeks to make up ground against his Democratic challenger Joe Biden.

Mr Biden, who holds a steady lead in national polls, is campaigning in Pennsylvania, another key state.

Some 57 million votes have already been cast, a record spurred by the pandemic.

The Republican president has continued to hold packed rallies despite a new surge in coronavirus infections that is particularly affecting the Midwest - home to several electoral battlegrounds.

Speaking in Lumberton, North Carolina on Saturday, Mr Trump said America's coronavirus pandemic had been blown out of proportion and mocked his Democratic rival for making ominous warnings about a bleak winter.

In contrast, Mr Biden held a drive-in rally in Bristol, Pennsylvania where he told supporters: "We don't want to become superspreaders."

With just 10 days to go until the November 3 election, Joe Biden holds an average eight-point lead in national polls over Donald Trump.

But the race is much closer in several important swing states.

How and where did Trump vote?
Mr Trump voted at a library in West Palm Beach, Florida - near his Mar-a-Lago resort - on Saturday morning.

"I voted for a guy named Trump," he told reporters after casting his ballot.

Florida is always a key prize in the US election and the president had been campaigning there on Friday. Early voting centres opened in Florida this weekend.

Mr Trump switched his permanent residence and voter registration from New York to Florida last year - and this was the first ballot he has cast in person since doing so. Earlier this year, he voted by mail in the state's primary elections.

During his bid for a second presidential term, Trump has regularly claimed mail-in voting is prone to fraud.

After casting his vote on Saturday, he said it was "a very secure vote, much more secure than when you send in a ballot". But experts say this is wrong and that there is no evidence to support a link between postal voting and fraud.

More than 39 million people have voted by mail so far, while close to 18 million have voted in person, according to a tally by the United States Election Project.

Where are the campaigns going?
Most US states lean heavily towards one party or the other, so presidential candidates usually focus on a dozen or so states where either of them could win. These are known as the battleground states.

States like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio and North Carolina are viewed as the most influential because they have historically swung between Republican and Democrat candidates. They also have high numbers of electoral college votes, which decide the outcome of the election.

Over the next few days, Mr Trump is due to hold events in several of these states. After his three-state blitz on Saturday, including a midnight rally appearance in Waukesha, Wisconsin, the president will appear in New Hampshire on Sunday.

He is then scheduled to appear at two rallies in Pennsylvania on Monday, before making his way to Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska on Tuesday.

Mr Biden has a narrow lead over Mr Trump in some of these key states, with Florida and North Carolina looking particularly tight, according to polling averages.

The Biden campaign is focusing on Pennsylvania this weekend - it is holding two drive-in rallies there on Saturday.

Mr Biden was born in the state, and it is another key election battleground. The Democrats won Pennsylvania in every presidential election from 1992-2012 but Mr Trump took the state by a 0.7% margin over Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Meanwhile, former President Barack Obama has been campaigning for Mr Biden at a drive-in rally in Miami, Florida.

How is coronavirus impacting the election?
America's coronavirus outbreak has become a key policy battleground ahead of the November election. It has also contributed to the surge in postal voting.

On Friday, coronavirus cases hit a record daily high in the US, as states grappled with a new wave of infections. More than 8.5 million infections have been reported nationwide, along with nearly 217,000 deaths, according to a tally by the Covid Tracking Project.

President Donald Trump and Joe Biden clashed over the subject during Thursday's presidential debate, and the two candidates have continued to present starkly different views over the way ahead.

In North Carolina on Saturday, the president said that widespread coronavirus testing was "good" but also "very foolish" because it boosted case numbers around the country. He also claimed the US might already have a vaccine "if it weren't for politics".

Despite the current spike in cases and rising hospital admissions, President Trump continued to assure supporters that the US was turning a corner.

He also mocked his rival's drive-in rallies, which he had seen on TV, saying: "There were so few cars... you could hear the cars: honk honk."

Meanwhile, Mr Biden has maintained his key message that huge numbers of Americans have died from Covid-19 due to the president's policies.

"It's going to be a dark winter ahead unless we change our ways," he told supporters in Bristol.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54678821.

 

[Technics 1210]

Biden's latest gaffe!

"We're in a situation where we have put together – and you guys did it for our admi ... the president, Obama's administration before this – we have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics," Biden says in a video that began circulating on social media on Saturday.

‘Rigged election?’ Trump seizes on Biden's latest gaffe, boasting about 'most extensive and inclusive VOTER FRAUD' organization

https://www.rt.com/usa/504501-voter-fraud-organization-gaffe-biden/

Freudian slip? Or is this a case of the truth being the easiest thing to remember?

 

[sweep_shot]

Social media: Is it really biased against US Republicans?

Wednesday promises to be another stressful day for Facebook, Google and Twitter.

Their chief executives will be grilled by senators about whether social media companies abuse their power.

For Republicans, this is the opportunity they've been waiting for.

Two weeks ago, Twitter prevented people posting links to a critical New York Post investigation into Joe Biden.

It then apologised for failing to explain its reasoning before ditching a rule it had used to justify the action.

For many Republicans, this was the final straw - incontrovertible evidence that social media is biased against conservatives.

The accusation is that Silicon Valley is at its core liberal and a bad arbiter of what's acceptable on its platforms.

In this case, Republicans like Senator Ted Cruz believed Twitter would have acted differently if the story had been about President Donald Trump.

The accusation
When conservatives claim bias, they are usually referring to what they see as unfair moderation.

It's the idea that their posts are overly-censored and/or suppressed.

But it's difficult to definitively prove social media is biased.

For one, the likes of Facebook and Twitter can be secretive - they don't share all of their data or reveal exactly how their algorithms work.

As a result, when Republicans cry foul, it is often "accusation by anecdote". A single example that proves a larger trend.

For instance, they note that Twitter "hid" a tweet by President Trump saying "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" during the protests in Minneapolis. But it didn't hide a tweet from Iranian ayatollahs calling for armed resistance in Israel.

This - according to many on the right - proves Twitter's double standards.

Such examples were repeatedly given during a congressional hearing in July where the bosses of Google, Facebook, Apple and Amazon were cross-examined.

"I'm just going to cut to the chase", said Republican congressman Jim Jordan. "Big Tech is out to get conservatives."

This was something the CEOs denied.

But what is certainly true is that several have recently taken a much more hands-on approach to moderation.

In doing so, they are grappling with the kinds of issues that newspaper editors face every day: what should should and should not be published?

What the American public thinks
A survey from Pew Research Center in August indicated that 90% of Republicans believed social media sites censored political viewpoints. Some 59% of Democrats held the same view.

So do they have a point?

One of the Republican criticisms of social media is that its algorithms push down conservative content. But that isn't borne out by the data for Facebook.

Data from CrowdTangle, a public insights tool owned by Facebook, puts together the most popular posts for each day on Facebook. On any given day the top 10 most popular political posts are dominated by right-leaning commentators like Dan Bongino and Ben Shapiro, along with posts by Fox News and President Trump.

Mr Trump's Facebook page has 32 million followers, nearly 10 times more than his Democratic challenger in next month's election, Joe Biden.

If the accusation is Facebook suppresses right-wing content, it doesn't seem to do it very well.

So is right-wing content in fact being favoured over left-wing content?

It's quite not as simple as that.

"I think it's a mistake to look at it as a right-wing versus left-wing bias," says Siva Vaidhyanathan, a media studies professor at the University of Virginia.

"The bias is toward content that generates strong emotions."

He says that while "some pretty extreme right-wing" posts have spread widely on social media in the US, their popularity isn't proof of the platforms suffering from structural bias.

"In Mexico, you might see a completely different arrangement of what gets promoted," he adds.

But, if you look at what is clamped down on, you can see why more people from the right might get tangled up in moderation than those from the left.

For example, few Democrats claim postal voting is rigged.

President Trump and many Republicans do.

Facebook has a policy to label claims about voter fraud. It argues it is trying to tackle disinformation that could erode faith in the US electoral system.

Even so, Republicans are disproportionately affected.

Let's take another issue - Black Lives Matter.

Facebook chief Mark Zuckerberg has openly stated he supports the movement. The Black Lives Matter Facebook page has just over 740,000 followers.

However, another Facebook page called Blue Lives Matter has close to 2.3 million followers. It aims to support police officers and push back against an "anti-cop" narrative.

The group has been criticised for appropriating the BLM name - and been accused of racism, something the group's founder Christopher Berg denies.

Mr Berg believes that Facebook is biased against conservative voices. Can that possibly be true considering the page's popularity?

"I wouldn't be looking at the follower count and the reach. I would be looking at things behind the scenes, that individuals can affect… things like demonetising a page," he tells me.

This is when Facebook judges a page has violated its rules and prevents it earning money from ads and subscriptions.

Mr Berg believes this is a a less perceptible type of bias, and one right-wing pages are more susceptible to.

But his suspicion is hard to prove. Facebook doesn't publish a list of pages it has taken action on.

What about Twitter?
Twitter is a very different beast to Facebook.

Only a small minority of its users regularly post content of their own.

And a Pew study last week found that 70% of highly prolific US adult tweeters were Democrats.

This makes Twitter appear to be a more liberal place, but once again it's hard to prove it's biased against conservatives.

Let's take Covid-19 as an example.

It's true that Twitter has acted on Mr Trump's tweets more than Mr Biden's. For example, it blocked a Trump post suggesting that the flu was more dangerous than Covid.

But at the same time, studies suggest Mr Trump is far more likely to spread disinformation around Covid.

In fact, one from Cornell University suggested the president was the largest single driver of Covid disinformation.

So it's perhaps not surprising that he is targeted disproportionately by Twitter moderators.

Social media's dilemma
This is exactly why social media companies would rather not have to moderate their platforms. As soon as you begin deciding what can and can't be published, you start making political calls.

In fact, some Republicans treat any kind of moderation as an attack on free speech.

An executive order signed by President Trump in March said: "We cannot allow a limited number of online platforms to pick the speech that Americans may access and convey on the internet."

In other words, the decision to arbitrate can be seen as philosophically anti-conservative.

Mr Trump has also said he will remove Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

This prevents social media companies from being liable for the things that people post. It would potentially hammer the social media industry.

And as Big Tech takes a more interventionist approach - whether it's against QAnon, hate speech or any other banned activity - accusations of bias will follow.

And just as those claims of bias are difficult to prove, so too are they very hard to disprove.

This is now where social media companies find themselves.

They of course deny that they act in a biased way.

Most Americans don't believe them.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54698186.

 

[bones]

Biden vs Trump? That's then American public's options for next leader? People call democracy freedom but here is another example of what a joke Democracy is.

 

[sweep_shot]

US election: Biden hits new battleground, Trump blitzes Midwest

Democratic White House challenger Joe Biden blasted President Donald Trump as a conman during a campaign foray into traditionally Republican territory.

In Georgia, Mr Biden said that Mr Trump's handling of coronavirus amounted to a "capitulation".

Mr Trump kept blitzing the swing states that he won in 2016, warning in Michigan that its "economic survival" was on the line if Mr Biden won.

According to opinion polls, Mr Trump lags behind with a week to go.

But the race is tighter in critical battleground states such as Arizona, Florida and North Carolina.

More than 69 million people have already voted early by post or in person in a record-breaking surge driven mainly by the coronavirus pandemic.

What did Trump say?
On Tuesday, Mr Trump held rallies in Nebraska and two states he snatched from Democrats in 2016: Michigan and Wisconsin.

In Lansing, Michigan's capital, he warned: "This election is a matter of economic survival for Michigan."

And he told suburban women, a demographic that many opinion polls suggest he is struggling to win over: "Your husbands, they want to get back to work, right? We're getting your husbands back to work."

Before leaving the White House, the president renewed his criticism of postal ballots - more than 46 million of which have been cast so far.

The huge volume of mail-in votes, which could take days or weeks to tally, means a winner is not certain to be known on election night next week.

"It would be very, very proper and very nice if a winner were declared on November 3, instead of counting ballots for two weeks, which is totally inappropriate," Mr Trump told reporters before heading to the Midwest.

Mr Trump - who only this month was admitted to hospital with coronavirus - is planning a head-spinning 11 rallies in the final two days of the election campaign before voting day next Tuesday.

Meanwhile, First Lady Melania Trump joined the campaign fray solo for the first time on Tuesday, assailing Mr Biden as a "socialist".

In the critical election state of Pennsylvania, Mrs Trump cast doubt on Mr Biden's claims that he could do a better job as president.

"Well, the American people can look at Joe Biden's 36 years in Congress and eight years in the vice-presidency and determine whether they think he'll finally be able to get something done for the American people."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54714262.

 

[Rayyman]

Casted my vote.

 

[Bigboii]

Casted my vote.

Kanye 2020

 

[Rayyman]

Kanye 2020

He was not on the New Jersey Ballot.

 

[Gilly]

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Tony Bobulinski tells Tucker: Joe Biden denials of involvement in son's business 'a blatant lie'
Tony Bobulinski, a former business associate of Hunter Biden, will tell "Tucker Carlson Tonight" in an exclusive interview Tuesday evening that Joe Biden's denials of knowledge or involvement in his son's foreign dealings are "a blatant lie."

Bobulinski, a Navy veteran and the former head of SinoHawk Holdings -- which he describes as a partnership between the CEFC China Energy conglomerate and two Biden family members -- told Carlson that he almost walked out of last week's second presidential debate when Biden discussed the topic."In that debate, he made a specific statement around questions around this from the president," recalled Bobulinski, who attended the debate as Trump's guest. "And I'll be honest with you, I almost stood up and screamed 'liar' and walked out because I was shocked that after four days or five days that they prep for this, that the Biden family is taking that position to the world."

Text messages obtained by Fox News last week include an exchange between Bobulinski and James Biden, the Democratic nominee's younger brother, in which Bobulinski asks James to "thank Joe for his time".The messages seem to indicate that a meeting took place, though it's unclear what the substance of the meeting may have been. The messages are unrelated to the laptop or hard drive purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden, the former vice president's son.

“Mrng plse let me knw if we will do early dinner w your Uncle & dad and where, also for document translation do you want it simple Chinese or traditional?” Bobulinski texted Hunter Biden on May 2, 2017.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-tucker-carlson-joe-biden

 

[sweep_shot]

US Election 2020: Trump slams lockdowns, Biden accuses him of insulting victims

President Donald Trump has urged states to shun lockdowns as his Democratic rival Joe Biden said the pandemic could not be stopped by "flipping a switch".

Continuing a whirlwind schedule of rallies in battleground states, Mr Trump also mocked mask mandates.

Mr Biden said Mr Trump's handling of America's worsening coronavirus crisis was an "insult" to its victims.

The Democrat has a solid national lead over the Republican president six days before the 3 November election.

But Mr Biden's advantage is narrower in the handful of US states that could vote either way and ultimately decide who wins the White House.

The total cost of this US general election is projected to hit $14bn (£10.7bn), double the cost of the last one, according to a study by the US Center for Responsive Politics.

More than 75 million Americans have voted early, nearly 50 million of them by post, in a record-breaking voting surge driven by the pandemic.

Virus deaths are rising in 39 US states and an average of about 800 people are dying daily nationwide.

Infection rates are also rising sharply across Europe, including the UK, France and Germany.

Global stock markets plunged on Wednesday amid fears that the pandemic could reverse tepid economic recoveries.

The two presidential rivals' divisions over the coronavirus were on stark display once again on Wednesday.

Biden pledges to 'do right things' in Covid fight
Speaking from his home of Wilmington, Delaware, the Democrat said he would not campaign "on the false promises of being able to end this pandemic by flipping a switch".

Mr Biden - who has not ruled out further lockdowns - pledged instead to "let science drive our decisions".

"Even if I win, it's going to take a lot of hard work to end this pandemic," he said. "I do promise this: We will start on day one doing the right things."

He also railed against Mr Trump's attempts to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, in the midst of a pandemic.

"We can't afford four more years of a president," said Mr Biden, "who'd rather spend his time desperately trying to strip people of their healthcare than even once bothering to put forward a healthcare plan of his own."

The Democrat and his wife Jill Biden cast their early ballots soon afterwards. Mr Trump voted early on Saturday in Florida.

Trump: Biden would lockdown America
At a rally in Goodyear, Arizona, Mr Trump warned that a Biden presidency would lead to more lockdowns and economic misery for Americans.

"If you vote for Joe Biden it means no kids in school, no graduations, no weddings, no thanksgivings, no Christmas, and no Fourth of July together.

"Other than that you'll have a wonderful life. Can't see anybody, but that's alright."

He cast the election as "a choice between a Trump super-recovery and a Biden depression".

At an earlier rally in Arizona, where looser rules on social distancing make staging crowded events easier, Mr Trump poked fun at Democratic mask mandates.

Addressing supporters in Bullhead City, Mr Trump appeared to refer to a recent tweet by California Governor Gavin Newsom that advised restaurant diners to "keep your mask on in between bites".

"In California, you have a special mask," he said. "You cannot under any circumstances take it off. You have to eat through the mask. It's a very complex mechanism."

As White House coronavirus task force expert Dr Anthony Fauci said a vaccine could emerge as early as next January, Mr Trump pledged the US would "vanquish the virus and emerge stronger than ever before".

Dr Fauci also told the BBC on Wednesday that Mr Trump's political rallies were bound to spread Covid-19. He said gatherings of people not wearing masks or socially distancing were potentially superspreading events.

He has previously criticised the White House for hosting a "superspreader event" that was linked to a spate of infections around the administration.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54727919.

 

[MenInG]

Donald Trump and Democratic candidate Joe Biden will both campaign in the crucial swing state of Florida on Thursday

On the campaign trail yesterday, Mr Trump urged states to shun lockdowns when tackling the pandemic
Mr Biden - who has not ruled out further lockdowns - pledged instead to "let science drive our decisions"

Virus deaths are rising in 39 US states and an average of about 800 people are dying daily nationwide

Meanwhile, the US Supreme Court has ruled that absentee ballots can be accepted for several days after election day in two battleground states

Republicans argue that this process is open to abuse, but Democrats welcomed the decision

 

[MenInG]

How will early voting impact the election?

We know that early voting has happened this year in record-breaking numbers. More than 76 million people have voted by post or at a polling station open in advance of 3 November - that's more than half the total 2016 election turnout.

We're getting a sense now of who these early voters are - many are young. More than three million young people - classified as those aged between 18 and 29 - had cast early votes by 21 October, according to the Tufts University Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (Circle).

About two million of those were in 14 battleground states, Circle adds.

More African Americans are voting early this year, too. According to analysis from data firm TargetSmart, more than six times as many black voters had cast early votes by 18 October this year, compared to the same point in 2016.

Overall, this could make turnout in the election the highest since 1908 (in percentage of the overall population). Professor Michael McDonald, who runs the US Elections Project, told Reuters news agency that he predicts that a record 150 million people could vote in this election - which would be about 65% of eligible voters in the country.

 

[MenInG]

Hackers stole millions from Wisconsin effort to re-elect Trump, says Republican chairman

The Wisconsin Republican party chairman says hackers stole $2.3m from the group's effort to get Trump re-elected, reports the Associated Press news agency.

The party said it contacted the FBI on Friday after it noticed suspicious activity, said Republican Party Chairman Andrew Hitt.

He said the FBI is investigating.

Hitt claimed the party is at a disadvantage now and that the campaign needed money late in the race.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am voting Biden so are most of the Indians. We reject demagoguery.

 

[Stewie]

I have been voting since 2000, and I don’t think any election has been as important as this one to all minorities in the US and those who believe in science, education, fairness and equality for all.
I see whites, Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, Asians, Hindus, Jews, people with college degrees, LGBTQ, etc all United against this evil man presiding over us.. they are turning out in record numbers to vote him out.. hopefully this results show that Americans are United against

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-trump-rally-tampa-biden-poll.amp

 

[sweep_shot]

US Election 2020: Trump and Biden duel in critical state of Florida

US President Donald Trump and his Democratic White House challenger Joe Biden have held duelling rallies in the critical election state of Florida.

Mr Biden told supporters: "You hold the power. If Florida goes blue [Democratic], it's over."

Celebrating soaring economic figures, Mr Trump, a Republican, said of his rival: "He's going to lock you down."

With just five days to go until election day, Mr Biden has a solid lead nationally in opinion polls.

But his advantage looks less assured in the battleground states, such as Florida, that will decide who ultimately wins the White House.

More than 80 million people have already voted, 52 million of them by mail, setting the US on course for its highest electoral turnout rate in more than a century.

Trump warns of 'crippling' Biden depression
At Thursday's rally in Tampa, Mr Trump revelled in a new federal projection that the US economy expanded at an unprecedented 33.1% annual rate in the most recent quarter, following a record 31% contraction in the previous three months during the coronavirus crash.

Florida is a must-win for Mr Trump and a key opinion poll average shows him just 1.4 points behind Mr Biden, which amounts to a statistical dead heat.

At a 100-minute outdoor rally, Mr Trump told thousands of people, many of them crowded together without masks: "Joe Biden's plan is to deliver punishing [coronavirus] lockdowns. He's going to lock you down."

He added: "You will have a crippling depression the likes of which you've never seen if sleepy Joe becomes your president."

"Look, we were compared to Europe," noted the president. "'Germany is doing so well, France is doing so well, everyone's doing so well.' No, they're not doing well."

While emphasising Europeans were allies, he continued: "They're spiking up big, they're shutting down, they're locking down.

"I disagree with that because we're never going to lock down again. We locked down, we understood the disease and now we're open for business."

The president was introduced by First Lady Melania Trump, making a rare appearance on the campaign trail. Her biggest applause line came when she said: "We are a country of hope, not a country of fear or weakness, and we have a leader who shows us that every single day."

Biden: Trump has 'given up'
In a 24-minute appearance, Mr Biden spoke at a drive-in rally at a college in Broward County, north of Miami.

"I do miss the opportunity to just wander in and shake hands with all of you, but we decided a while ago that we were going to try to be responsible," he said.

He thanked attendees, many of whom remained in their cars to avoid possible spread of Covid-19, for wearing masks and practising social distancing.

Mr Biden dismissed Mr Trump's rally on the other side of the state as a "superspreader" event.

"Donald Trump has given up," he said, of the coronavirus pandemic. The US is currently seeing a record rate of infection, and is nearing nine million confirmed cases.

Mr Biden urged a national mask mandate, crying: "This is not a political statement, it's a patriotic duty, for God's sake!"

The Democrat said he would not lock down the country as president, though he did not rule it out at a debate last week.

Mr Biden described his rival as "a person who knows the only way he can win is if he divides us on race, nationality, national origin, gender".

He added: "Look, everybody knows who Donald Trump is. We got to show him who we are."

Mr Biden also pitched directly to Hispanic voters, as polls show Mr Trump is making gains with Latinos, a vital voting bloc in Florida and other battleground states like Nevada.

"President Trump can't advance democracy and human rights for the Cuban people or the Venezuelan people, for that matter, when he has praised so many autocrats around the world," Mr Biden said.

Mr Trump swiftly hit back on Twitter, saying: "Our opponents want to turn America into Communist Cuba or Socialist Venezuela."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54742419.

 

[sweep_shot]

US Election 2020: Biden and Trump in tug-of-war over Midwestern US

In a final burst of campaigning, US President Donald Trump and his Democratic challenger Joe Biden have criss-crossed Midwestern states that may hold the keys to the White House.

Mr Biden went on the offensive in Iowa, a state that voted for Mr Trump by 10 points in 2016.

Mr Trump made a play for Minnesota, which voted narrowly for Hillary Clinton four years ago.

Mr Biden holds a solid national lead ahead of Tuesday's general election.

But his advantage over Mr Trump is narrower in the handful of US states that could vote for either candidate and ultimately decide the outcome in four days' time.

More than 85 million people have voted early, 55 million of them by post, setting the US on course for its biggest voter turnout in over a century.

Biden snaps at 'ugly folks'
The Democrat has taken a more measured pace to campaigning than his rival, spending much of the election cycle at his home in Wilmington, Delaware, citing coronavirus restrictions.

But on Friday he sprinted through Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota on his busiest day yet.

When Mr Biden was last in Iowa, in January, his presidential campaign was in serious jeopardy after he was defeated in a party vote to choose the Democratic challenger to Mr Trump.

Now Mr Biden could be days away from becoming the 46th president of the United States.

He made a 22-minute appearance at a drive-in event in a car park outside the Minnesota State Fairgrounds.

But a throng of Trump supporters turned up and tried to drown him out by honking their horns during his speech.

"These guys are not very polite, but they're like Trump," Mr Biden said.

He was interrupted again later in the speech while urging a national mask-wearing mandate to counter coronavirus.

"This isn't a political statement like those ugly folks over there beeping their horns," Mr Biden snapped, eliciting a renewed cacophony of vehicular horns.

The Democrat used many well-honed attack lines on his rival, saying: "Donald Trump has waved the white flag and surrendered to this virus but the American people don't give up, they don't cower and neither will I."

He also added a local pitch to the state's Somali diaspora.

"That's why he [Mr Trump] shamelessly equates Somali refugees, folks seeking a better life in America, contributing to this state and our country, with terrorists." He added: "We need a president who will bring us together, not pull us apart."

Mr Biden's visit to Minnesota, where he holds a steady lead in opinion polls, was interpreted by some election-watchers as a sign that the Democrat's campaign was anxious about the state.

The candidate told reporters in Delaware as he set out for the Midwest: "I don't take anything for granted."

His campaign war chest, double the size of Mr Trump's, has earned him the luxury of making a play for conservative states such as Iowa and Georgia, where a Democrat has not won the presidency since Bill Clinton in 1992.

Democrats even dream of flipping Texas, which has not voted for one of their White House candidates since Jimmy Carter in 1976. If Republicans lose the Lone Star state, it would be all but impossible for the party to win the presidency again without broadening its voter coalition.

Opinion polls show Mr Biden running Mr Trump close in the ruby red state.

More than nine million Texans have already cast ballots, eclipsing the 2016 turnout there.

Trump: Refugees a 'matter of national security'
The Republican president is focusing over the last few days on historically Democratic industrial states such as Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that he picked up four years ago in his against-all-odds victory.

On Friday he also headed to Minnesota, which has not voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1972.

Mr Trump lost the state by just 44,000 votes four years ago. It is one of the few that Mr Trump is trying to turn Republican this year.

In his first stop of the day near the car-making hub of Detroit, Michigan, the president acknowledged the steep odds, adding: "But we're very popular [in Minnesota] because I helped with that disaster in Minneapolis."

The president was claiming credit for the Democratic governor of Minnesota's decision to send in the National Guard to quell riots in Minneapolis following the police killing of George Floyd.

At that 73-minute event, he also teased Fox News host Laura Ingraham, who was in the audience, for being "very politically correct" by wearing a face mask.

Attendance at the president's final stop in Rochester, Minnesota, was capped at 250 people at the insistence of state and local officials, citing coronavirus prevention, though Mr Trump claimed it was an attempt to make him cancel the rally.

He told the crowd: "When large numbers of rioters and vandals sacked the city of Minneapolis earlier this year, Keith Ellison [Minnesota's Democratic attorney general] did not ask them to submit a permit."

Referring to coronavirus lockdowns, he added: "Keith Ellison and Joe Biden want to imprison you in your homes while letting anarchists, agitators and vandals roams free as they destroy your cities and state."

He went on: "Biden and the Democratic class treat law enforcement like criminals and they treat criminals like heroes."

"One of the most crucial issues for Minnesota in this election is the subject of refugees," Mr Trump continued. "This is a vital matter of national security."

He touted his directive to suspend entry of refugees to the US from countries "compromised by terrorism" and also referred to the stabbing attack at a church in Nice, France, allegedly by a Tunisian migrant.

Mr Trump's visit to Minnesota came a day after a federal court in the state ruled that all ballots received after election day should be considered late.

The verdict overturns the state's plans to continue counting mail-in ballots for seven days after the election, and is a legal victory for the president's fellow Republicans.

Mr Trump is planning a head-spinning 13 rallies over the next three days.

His campaign has three such events scheduled in Pennsylvania on Saturday, five in Michigan, Iowa, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida on Sunday, five more on election eve in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54756915.

 

[sweep_shot]

US election 2020: Trump is in the fight of his political life

To think we began 2020 supposing the US presidential election would be the foremost news event of year: the story that would monopolise our journalistic attention; the travelling carnival that would see us clocking up tens of thousands of miles; the democratic spectacle that would distance us from our families.

As we entered election year, the main health story to intrude on the campaign was the cardiac condition of Bernie Sanders, the 78-year-old candidate who had suffered a heart attack while campaigning in Las Vegas. Then there was the question of whether Joe Biden had the stamina to cope with the relentless schedule of the round-the-clock campaign. In a field crowded with 70-something politicians, the mortality of the leading candidates became a legitimate subject for discussion.

Back then, though, we had no inkling of how the deaths of more than 225,000 Americans would overshadow everything.

All of us sensed we would be covering an epoch-defining election. Maybe the most important of the past 50 years. But few of us foresaw how the history would be so epic and so deadly.

2020. Not since 1939 has a dateline been freighted with so much meaning.

Nostalgia has become a driver of modern-day global politics, but rarely have we witnessed such a yearning for the immediate past. The days only 10 months ago when few of us had heard of Wuhan province; when the handshake was a gesture of amity rather than menace; when t-shirts, bumper stickers and yard signs were the most obvious markers of your politics rather than whether you wear a mask.

Four years ago, the political genius of Donald Trump's Make America Great Again slogan was that it became a sentimental catch-all. Rather than sketching out a timeline himself, he let voters decide for themselves when America had last been great. This gave his supporters the historic licence to conjure up kingdoms of the mind, places that sometimes existed only in the abstract.

For some, American greatness was found in the Reagan years of the 1980s, the era of resurgence after the long national nightmare of Vietnam, Watergate and the Iranian hostage crisis. For many it was the Fifties, before African-Americans had been granted a full menu of civil rights; before the women's liberation movement challenged what had always been a male-dominated society.

In the final weeks of this campaign, however, Donald Trump has been more specific. He has pin-pointed a date. He has told us where to travel back in time. America was great "before the plague", he keeps on telling his campaign rallies - when the United States had what he reckons was the strongest economy in the history of the world.

For a time his campaign toyed with the new slogan Make America Great Again Again. But it sounded more like a taunt - a reminder of the here and now, and how his mishandling of Covid-19 has come to imperil his presidency.

Before the coronavirus, the political vital signs for Donald Trump were strong. He had survived his impeachment trial. His presidential approval rating was the highest it had ever been. He could boast a strong economy and benefit from the advantages of incumbency, a combination that usually yields a first term president four more years.

If in 2016 the coverage of the election had been based on the false predicate that a former reality TV star could never win the presidency, earlier this year the idea was starting to take hold that Donald Trump could not lose. In Iowa and New Hampshire, the more voters saw of his main rival Joe Biden, the more they noticed his weaknesses. And would America ever vote for the other main Democratic contender, Bernie Sanders, a former socialist? That arguably required a greater leap of imagination than the thought of a Trumpian second term.

Then, of course, everything changed. Covid granted Joe Biden a cloak of invisibility, a useful concealment for a candidate often so fumbling and frail. Donald Trump wrapped himself in the mantle of a wartime president, but in a battle that America quickly started to lose.

So 2020 has not been a re-run of the 2016 election, a banal observation that's worth restating nonetheless.

Trump is now the incumbent rather than the insurgent. He's got a record to defend. His opponent is not a hate figure like Hillary Clinton, but a genial grandfather, a likeable old man. Biden's radiant smile has become a valuable political weapon, so, too, his long personal experience of grief. It's partly why there seem to be fewer Trump Democrats around in 2020, and more Biden Republicans.

Four years ago there was an underlying brilliance in Donald Trump's ability to articulate the grievances of his supporters; to say things that were once considered unsayable. But what's been noticeable about this election is how he's given voice more to his own frustrations: venting, often in a self-pitying tone, about having to contend with "the China virus"; lashing out against public health officials, such as Dr Anthony Fauci; targeting Democratic governors whose state shutdowns have paralysed the Trump economy; complaining, as ever, about the press.

Trump succeeded in 2016 because he presented himself as an anti-Obama and an anti-Hillary. Part of the reason Joe Biden is leading in the polls is because he so easily fits the role of the anti-Trump.

Yet for so much of this campaign we have been witnessing Trump versus Trump. The president has seemed to be his own political enemy: not taking the coronavirus seriously enough at the start; inviting ridicule for speculating whether bleach might offer a cure; and being so aggressive in the first presidential debate that he ended up wounding himself.

For me, the most memorable moment of the campaign came when I was woken just after one o'clock in the morning with the news that the president had Covid - which had the jolting effect of drinking Red Bull from a fire-hose. In Michigan at the time, the next morning I spoke to Democrats who believed that the president was faking it and Republicans who still thought the coronavirus is a hoax - yet another reminder of how America has become a country where there is no longer an agreed-upon set of facts.

For a few days, the campaign felt more like a vigil. We waited on news of the president's condition, and weren't entirely sure whether we could trust the medical updates from his White House doctor. Then came that triumphant homecoming to the White House, which looked to his supporters like the happy ending of an action movie, and to his detractors like a scene from a comic opera.

This became the defining moment of the Trump presidency not just because it borrowed from the visual grammar of reality TV, but because it was so instantly polarizing. Were you watching an all-American hero returning after vanquishing a deadly enemy, or the self-satirising theatre of some American Mussolini? How Americans answer that question could determined how they vote.

Given all the false prophecies of four years ago, most of us have been cautious about predicting the outcome of this election. And it is always worth remembering that we are correspondents not clairvoyants. But there is one prediction I am prepared to make. Those who see this election as a panacea will, I suspect, be disappointed.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54724957.

 

[Varun]

Every poll says Biden will win. But then they said Hilary would win in 2016.

Just imagine the shock of everyone's faces if/when Trump wins.

 

[MenInG]

As the United States presidential election campaign enters the final stretch, lawmakers in several states across the country are desperately trying to curb the spread of COVID-19, which has surged in recent weeks.

The US surpassed nine million COVID-19 cases on Friday, according to a tally from Johns Hopkins University, and more than 229,000 deaths attributed to the novel coronavirus were reported nationwide.

This is the fastest the country has added one million new COVID-19 infections to its tally since the start of the pandemic, CNN reported, going from eight to nine million cases in the span of 14 days.

The US also broke a single-day record for new infections on Thursday, reporting at least 91,248 new cases, according to a Reuters news agency tally.

The uptick in cases and hospitalisations has pushed legislators in hard-hit states – both Republicans and Democrats – to ask people to remain vigilant and avoid large gatherings to stem new infections.

“Utah is in a very serious situation,” Republican Governor Gary Herbert tweeted this week.

“COVID-19 is the most devastating when hospitals are overwhelmed and unable to provide good care to everyone who needs it. We have seen this in Italy. We have seen this in New York. We could see this in Utah if things do not change,” he wrote.

Utah is among several states currently that have seen record numbers of new cases. An increase in hospitalisations, in particular, has left many state governments concerned about their capacity to handle such high demand for medical care.

The number of hospitalised COVID-19 patients has risen by more than 50 percent in October to 46,000, the highest since mid-August, according to Reuters news agency figures.

Tony Evers, the Democratic Party governor of Wisconsin, has also urged residents to stay home to prevent the spread of the virus. On Thursday, he said the state had set up 71 new COVID-19 testing sites across 56 counties and seven tribal nations.

“I see that the White House has given up on this issue and they’re focusing on things that are down the road … Down the road is allowing lots of people to pass away. We’re not giving up here,” Evers said.

‘A tragic failure’
The stark COVID-19 infection numbers have thrust the pandemic once again into the spotlight, just four days from election day on November 3.

US President Donald Trump, who tested positive and was hospitalised for COVID-19 early this month, has routinely downplayed the threat of the virus since the pandemic began – and he continues to do so.

In one of his first campaign stops after leaving Walter Reed Medical Center, Trump said he was “immune” to the deadly disease. He has since said he believes the country is “rounding the turn” of the pandemic and falsely claimed that COVID-19 infections were decreasing.

Critics have slammed the Republican president for holding enormous rallies where his supporters have been tightly packed together, with few wearing masks to stem the potential spread of the virus.

Trump’s Democratic challenger, Joe Biden, has made an abundance of caution around the virus a pillar of his campaign strategy, often holding “drive-in” events where supporters can remain in their cars.

Biden has also repeatedly slammed Trump in his campaign speeches, accusing the president of not doing enough to protect people from the virus despite knowing its risks.

On Friday, a Democratic subcommittee in the US House of Representatives released a report on the Trump administration’s handling of the pandemic, which it described as “a tragic failure”.

The Democratic-led subcommittee said the US government failed to implement a national strategy, failed to provide timely economic support to struggling Americans and refused to extend critical unemployment insurance.

It also accused Trump administration officials of injecting politics into public health decisions.

“This report exhaustively documents what has long been clear: the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus crisis has been a tragic failure,” the subcommittee chairman, James Clyburn, said in a statement.

“While we cannot bring back the nearly 230,000 Americans we have lost to this disease, I hope that this report will serve as a wake-up call to make the improvements needed to prevent further unnecessary deaths and deprivation that will occur if the response continues on its current course.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...s-surge-in-final-stretch-of-election-campaign

 

[Savak]

Every poll says Biden will win. But then they said Hilary would win in 2016.

Just imagine the shock of everyone's faces if/when Trump wins.

I guarantee you that on the day Trump supporters are going to surprise and shock everyone leading to a repeat of 2016

 

[MenInG]

Barack Obama joins forces with Joe Biden in Michigan on the final weekend before the 3 November US election

Donald Trump meanwhile will target the crucial battleground state of Pennsylvania on Saturday

Nearly 90 million people have already voted ahead of election day on Tuesday

The country is course for its highest electoral turnout rate in more than a century

On Friday the US once again broke its daily coronavirus record with more than 94,000 new cases

 

[Marshland]

Interesting the media is silent on Antifa even Joe Biden calls it an idea, yet the media has their panties in a twist about Boogaloo boys.

 

[IMMY69]

Interesting the media is silent on Antifa even Joe Biden calls it an idea, yet the media has their panties in a twist about Boogaloo boys.

Antifa is a set of ideas and makes up various groups at certain given times whereas the proud boys is an organisation... both are small.

However, you should ask yourself this... where were Antifa before 2016 and why has the idea re-emerged since 2016?

 

[Technics 1210]

Facist Liberals should be barred and exempt from all discussions related to democracy. Remember these are the guys who tried to overturn democracy in the UK and USA, resorted to violence, lies, death threats, and called anyone racist for not supporting BLM (domestic terror group) - why? People didn't agree with them.

 

[Marshland]

Antifa is a set of ideas and makes up various groups at certain given times whereas the proud boys is an organisation... both are small.

However, you should ask yourself this... where were Antifa before 2016 and why has the idea re-emerged since 2016?

They've been nurtured by Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of their media pals. Antifa is NOT "anti" fascist - it's merely clever marketing/branding. Their name means nothing. Their actions are what matter. The Dems have trained them to serve as an attack dog against ANYONE who disagrees with far left ideology.

 

[IMMY69]

They've been nurtured by Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of their media pals. Antifa is NOT "anti" fascist - it's merely clever marketing/branding. Their name means nothing. Their actions are what matter. The Dems have trained them to serve as an attack dog against ANYONE who disagrees with far left ideology.

So then there's your answer.
No point in even discussing that it could be Trump.

 

[Marshland]

So then there's your answer.
No point in even discussing that it could be Trump.

Must be a grand plan by Trump to craft something that also has the Dems playing their part then eh?

Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization, according the president of the USA. Fact.

 

[IMMY69]

Must be a grand plan by Trump to craft something that also has the Dems playing their part then eh?

Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization, according the president of the USA. Fact.

You said they've been nurtured by prominent democrats.
Let's leave it at that shall we

 

[sweep_shot]

US Election 2020: Biden and Trump in last weekend dash round swing states

US Democratic candidate Joe Biden is in Michigan and President Donald Trump is in Pennsylvania, states that could be key to winning the White House as the last weekend of campaigning hots up.

Mr Biden, joined by ex-President Barack Obama, said the US was "done with the chaos" of the Trump administration.

Mr Trump said there would be a "great red wave" of Republican victories.

Mr Biden has a solid lead in the polls, but his advantage is narrower in swing states that could decide the election.

More than 85 million people have voted early in the US elections, 55 million of them by post, setting the country on course for its biggest voter turnout in over a century.

Mr Biden and Mr Obama campaigned at a drive-in event in Flint, Michigan, before heading to Detroit where they were joined by singer Stevie Wonder. Mr Trump narrowly won Michigan in 2016.

In his first appearance on the campaign trail with his former vice-president, Mr Obama compared Mr Biden's character favourably with Mr Trump's.

"It used to be that being a man meant taking care of other people... not looking for credit but trying to live right," he said.

"When you elect Joe, that's what you'll see reflected from the White House."

Taking the stage, Mr Biden tore into his opponent, saying it was time for him to "pack his bags and go home".

"We're done with the chaos, the tweets, the anger, the failure, the refusal to take any responsibility," he added.

Mr Biden's campaign events have generally been small, as the candidate keeps rigorously to social distancing rules.

Not so Mr Trump, who is holding a series of four rallies in Pennsylvania on Saturday.

At the first, in Newtown, he appeared on stage serenaded by chants of "Four more years!" and told the state where the US independence movement began centuries ago that "three days from now this is the state that will save the American dream".

He also joked about his recent brush with coronavirus, which also infected First Lady Melania Trump.

"At least those rumours that we don't live together proved to be false," he said.

After a rally of several hundred people - relatively small for him - the president flew to Reading, where thousands greeted him on the tarmac.

Mr Trump is planning another 10 rallies over the final two days of the campaign.

His campaign has five events in Michigan, Iowa, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida on Sunday, and then five more on election eve in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54765586.

 

[MenInG]

Donald Trump has hit out at an FBI investigation after his supporters were accused of trying to run a Joe Biden battle bus off the road.

Tensions rose in the final hours before Americans head to the polls, with the president tweeting: "In my opinion, these patriots did nothing wrong."

 

[Stewie]

Facist Liberals should be barred and exempt from all discussions related to democracy. Remember these are the guys who tried to overturn democracy in the UK and USA, resorted to violence, lies, death threats, and called anyone racist for not supporting BLM (domestic terror group) - why? People didn't agree with them.

You seem to be oblivious to your own hypocrisy. In a different thread you are complaining about how your friends with liberal views Unfriended you on social media and yet here you are painting all the liberals with a broad fascist brush and want them all barred and exempt. Talk about being a snowflake!

Why can’t you respect their views if you complain about everyone else in the world not respecting yours? Hold yourself to the same standards you pretend to hold others to.

 

[Technics 1210]

You seem to be oblivious to your own hypocrisy. In a different thread you are complaining about how your friends with liberal views Unfriended you on social media and yet here you are painting all the liberals with a broad fascist brush and want them all barred and exempt. Talk about being a snowflake!

Why can’t you respect their views if you complain about everyone else in the world not respecting yours? Hold yourself to the same standards you pretend to hold others to.

Snowflake?

In the other thread I refered to NFL - Neo facsist liberals. I am refering to the fickle and insecure minds of these people! The point always was its liberals who unfriend and are intolerant of opposite views. Why?

It's true though, the NFL wanted to overturn Brexit and Trump result; how very undemocratic, now want a say in democracy.

These people should stay away from democracy! Never respected the result when they lost, now want to respect the democratic process.

Don't blame me for giving Liberalism a bad name, the lefties did a sterling job all by themselves.

 

[Giannis]

 

[90MPH]

They've been nurtured by Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of their media pals. Antifa is NOT "anti" fascist - it's merely clever marketing/branding. Their name means nothing. Their actions are what matter. The Dems have trained them to serve as an attack dog against ANYONE who disagrees with far left ideology.

Had no idea you were this much of a right wing stooge.

Antifa are not organisation with no infrastructure and absolutely no power whatsoever. It’s just a boogeyman for the right wing so they can arm themselves to the teeth and shoot whoever they like and then of course get away with it.

As for your assertion that Biden, Pelosi and Schumer are controlling them all I can say is a big LOL. They are all moderate Republicans and are weak as hell as they always capitulate to their corporate donors which they share with the Republican Party so they always follow their agenda.

 

[90MPH]

Every poll says Biden will win. But then they said Hilary would win in 2016.

Just imagine the shock of everyone's faces if/when Trump wins.

Because 2020 is not 2016.

There wasn’t a pandemic in 2016, there wasn’t an economic collapse in 2016 and there wasn’t a universal dislike for both candidates in 2016.

Trump is in massive trouble not just becuase he is behind in the blue rust belt states he needs to win, he’s in trouble because he’s underwater in states like Arizona, Georgia, Ohio that should have been a firm lock for him and the Republican Party.

 

[Firebat]

Early voting figures continue to skyrocket

More than 94 million votes have already been cast, according to the US Elections Project.

This site is run by Michael McDonald, a professor at the University of Florida who specialises in early voting, and tracks the number of votes cast by state and overall.

According to his estimates, California has cast the most votes, 11 million.

Next is Texas, with 9.7 million, followed by the swing state of Florida, with 8.7 million so far.

The number of people who've voted early so far is also already 68% of the total number of people who voted in the election in 2016, putting the US on path to record voter turnout.

 

[Marshland]

Had no idea you were this much of a right wing stooge.

Antifa are not organisation with no infrastructure and absolutely no power whatsoever. It’s just a boogeyman for the right wing so they can arm themselves to the teeth and shoot whoever they like and then of course get away with it.

As for your assertion that Biden, Pelosi and Schumer are controlling them all I can say is a big LOL. They are all moderate Republicans and are weak as hell as they always capitulate to their corporate donors which they share with the Republican Party so they always follow their agenda.

Who are you and how do you presume to know who I am?

The left are dangerous. Left wing politics are basically a form of socialism that rejects capitalism and distributes wealth to the most potentially destructive members of society.

Americans have traditionally supported the side of liberty, tolerance, free speech, and peaceful political change. That side is in opposition to the violent, authoritarian thugs of Antifa of the Left with Dementia Biden and Email Thug Clinton at the helm of affairs in this sorry era.

 

[Marshland]

Trump is in massive trouble not just becuase he is behind in the blue rust belt states he needs to win, he’s in trouble because he’s underwater in states like Arizona, Georgia, Ohio that should have been a firm lock for him and the Republican Party.

Each of them would be a MAJOR flip in your fantasy world, if they actually like their cities burning, approve of gutting their law enforcement and think RIOTS are great fun.

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=131399]Marshland[/MENTION]

This is the problem with the hardliners across the political spectrum who refuse to condemn bad behaviour on their side. Yes some of the incidents in Portland and elsewhere caused by radical left groups are disgraceful. However, are you seriously talking up Donald Trump as the man to uphold rule of law ?

A man who wishes to prosecute his political opponents and has attacked two Attorney Generals who refuse to do so, who's demanding states not count mail-in ballots after Election Day despite court rulings and state laws allowing them to do so, promotes voter intimidation, and has never disavowed acts of violence from his own supporters ?

Just in the last month, there was a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan and North Carolina by far-right extremists. He goes to Michigan and leads "Lock Her Up" chants against Gov Whitmer who's guilty of what crime exactly ? If you scroll to the top, another far-right extremist in North Carolina was planning to kill Joe Biden.

Today FBI are investigating an incident in Texas where an armed convoy of Trump vehicles tried to drive a Biden tour bus off the road. Trump tweets they are "patriots" who did nothing wrong !

Trump is the biggest exponent of political thuggery. On the 2016 trail he said he'd pay the legal bills of supporters who punched protesters at his rallies. When a white supremacist group marched in Charlottesville chanting slogans like "THE JEWS SHALL NOT REPLACE US", and an extremist killed a counter-protester with his car, Trump said they were "very fine people".

 

[Savak]

All my relatives who live in the US are resigned to another Trump term. They continuously mention that what CNN reports is not reality. The polls which show Biden ahead, maybe people should factor in that these news channels are deliberately trying to target Biden supporters, anti Trump supporters.

I believe a lot of Hollywood celebrities who secretly admire Trump are scared of coming out and publicly supporting him because of the fear of being blacklisted by the industry. Those who refer to his handing of the pandemic are forgetting that a lot of Trump supporters believe that shutting down the economy would have been ten times catastrophic for the country.

 

[90MPH]

Each of them would be a MAJOR flip in your fantasy world, if they actually like their cities burning, approve of gutting their law enforcement and think RIOTS are great fun.

I never said the riots were justified but this is all you right wingers have is that “Antifa are going to burn your city” if you don’t vote for the clown fascist.
The idea that the Democrats are going to abolish the police is actually your right wing fantasy, this is not going to happen since they are behdoen to their unions as much as the Republicans are.

The BLM protests have happened because of decades of non stop police brutality against black people.
You don’t want to address that issue because you know it’s true or you don’t give a flying **** what happens to them - that happens not just on a regular occurrence but on a systematic basis.

Trump mishandled not just the pandemic in the most stupid way possible but he totally botched up the response to the protests and violence - he decided to add more gas to the fire Because he thought white voters would flock to his agression - infact polling data indicates this totally backfired on him, especially his ridiculous bible stunt that he did at the White House by using Police thugs to clear the protesters.

 

[90MPH]

Who are you and how do you presume to know who I am?

The left are dangerous. Left wing politics are basically a form of socialism that rejects capitalism and distributes wealth to the most potentially destructive members of society.

Americans have traditionally supported the side of liberty, tolerance, free speech, and peaceful political change. That side is in opposition to the violent, authoritarian thugs of Antifa of the Left with Dementia Biden and Email Thug Clinton at the helm of affairs in this sorry era.

I presume what you are is by what you say and what you say is nothing but right wing propaganda.

Joe Biden is literally a moderate Republican in all but name. He has a record to back this up and the idea he’s going to bring socialism to America is the most ridiculous ** conservative attack line.

In any case what is socialism? That healthcare should be a given to all people like the rest of the developed world ? That wages shouldn’t be slave wages ? The things many Western European countries have should be granted to Americans as well.

I agree Biden is overall a terrible candidate considering he does have cognitive decline but he’s winning because of how totally incompetent Trump has been in the last 4 years.
Trump is the incumbent and it has always been traditionally harder to vote the incumbent out. He’s losing badly in the polls because of his own decisions, especially this past year.

 

[Markhor]

I never said the riots were justified but this is all you right wingers have is that “Antifa are going to burn your city” if you don’t vote for the clown fascist.
The idea that the Democrats are going to abolish the police is actually your right wing fantasy, this is not going to happen since they are behdoen to their unions as much as the Republicans are.

The BLM protests have happened because of decades of non stop police brutality against black people.
You don’t want to address that issue because you know it’s true or you don’t give a flying **** what happens to them - that happens not just on a regular occurrence but on a systematic basis.

Trump mishandled not just the pandemic in the most stupid way possible but he totally botched up the response to the protests and violence - he decided to add more gas to the fire Because he thought white voters would flock to his agression - infact polling data indicates this totally backfired on him, especially his ridiculous bible stunt that he did at the White House by using Police thugs to clear the protesters.

Brother it's pointless pursuing these arguments with Trump supporters. For the last 5 years I've tried to reason with them on Time Pass and provide the facts but their rehearsed talking points are so ingrained in their heads it's impossible to get through to them.

As for predictions - while the Biden camp should not be complacent like Clinton was, Biden's polling lead in the battleground states is a lot more stable than Clinton's though, and has a higher approval rating than the polarising Clinton. Even if the polls are as far out as they were in 2016, Biden's lead is still sufficient to win, but obviously a Trump victory cannot be ruled out though it would be the biggest polling error in history.

2020 is unique because of the pandemic and huge volume of mail-in ballots so the results will be unclear on Election Night. It's likely Trump leads on the night as he has the advantage with voters turning up day of, whereas Biden has the overwhelming advantage amongst postal voters which may take days or even weeks to be counted.

Hence I fear Trump's team will launch a legal battle to stop counting the mail-in ballots. Whatever happens he'll yell voter fraud, so Biden ideally needs some margin. His best bet for that is in Arizona where his lead's been stable, while Florida and North Carolina are tossups. Texas is a Democratic pipe dream in this election cycle, Biden camp shouldn't waste time there. Even Georgia is difficult unless there's massive black turnout. Iowa and Ohio are more rural so difficult for Democrats - so their strategy should be focusing on keeping Clinton 2016 states + Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin which would be sufficient.

 

[Bigboii]

Brother it's pointless pursuing these arguments with Trump supporters. For the last 5 years I've tried to reason with them on Time Pass and provide the facts but their rehearsed talking points are so ingrained in their heads it's impossible to get through to them.

As for predictions - while the Biden camp should not be complacent like Clinton was, Biden's polling lead in the battleground states is a lot more stable than Clinton's though, and has a higher approval rating than the polarising Clinton. Even if the polls are as far out as they were in 2016, Biden's lead is still sufficient to win, but obviously a Trump victory cannot be ruled out though it would be the biggest polling error in history.

2020 is unique because of the pandemic and huge volume of mail-in ballots so the results will be unclear on Election Night. It's likely Trump leads on the night as he has the advantage with voters turning up day of, whereas Biden has the overwhelming advantage amongst postal voters which may take days or even weeks to be counted.

Hence I fear Trump's team will launch a legal battle to stop counting the mail-in ballots. Whatever happens he'll yell voter fraud, so Biden ideally needs some margin. His best bet for that is in Arizona where his lead's been stable, while Florida and North Carolina are tossups. Texas is a Democratic pipe dream in this election cycle, Biden camp shouldn't waste time there. Even Georgia is difficult unless there's massive black turnout. Iowa and Ohio are more rural so difficult for Democrats - so their strategy should be focusing on keeping Clinton 2016 states + Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin which would be sufficient.

Aren't you from UK? why are you wasting your time changing the opinions of trump supporters in the first place
you wouldn't gain much if Trump wins or loses, it doesn't really affect you all that much
(I like when you argue don't get me wrong because you bring information I didn't know before so that's good for me but the whole concept of people from NZ, Australis, UK getting into passionate debates about US election seems weird to me)

Like I would never get into debates about Brexit or Canadian elections
sure I can be like Trudeau is a good guy and it'll be cool if he wins but I am not going to write essays defending him or countering the Scheer guy

I don't know it seems a bit odd to me

 

[Markhor]

Aren't you from UK? why are you wasting your time changing the opinions of trump supporters in the first place
you wouldn't gain much if Trump wins or loses, it doesn't really affect you all that much
(I like when you argue don't get me wrong because you bring information I didn't know before so that's good for me but the whole concept of people from NZ, Australis, UK getting into passionate debates about US election seems weird to me)

Like I would never get into debates about Brexit or Canadian elections
sure I can be like Trudeau is a good guy and it'll be cool if he wins but I am not going to write essays defending him or countering the Scheer guy

I don't know it seems a bit odd to me

Three reasons. First, this trend of nativist right-wing populism in the world is dangerous, especially for minority groups. Hoping if you cut the head of the snake (Trump) the rest will follow like Boris, Netanyahu, Modi, Bolsonaro etc. Trump emboldens the far-right, his rhetoric is not empty words but inspiring for madmen like the Christchurch shooter.

Second is because Biden pledged to re-enter the Iran nuclear deal which was the best thing the US did in the Mid East since WW2 (and one of the few times the cancerous Saudi-Israeli lobby was defeated), end US support for the Saudi campaign in Yemen, and re-establish aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority.

Third is coronavirus and more generally how the GOP want to destroy healthcare in America. As someone who works in healthcare, I find it astonishing your politicians are happy allowing people to die simply because they cannot afford private insurance. ACA didn't go far enough but at least it was a start.

 

[Technics 1210]

Aren't you from UK? why are you wasting your time changing the opinions of trump supporters in the first place
you wouldn't gain much if Trump wins or loses, it doesn't really affect you all that much
(I like when you argue don't get me wrong because you bring information I didn't know before so that's good for me but the whole concept of people from NZ, Australis, UK getting into passionate debates about US election seems weird to me)

Like I would never get into debates about Brexit or Canadian elections
sure I can be like Trudeau is a good guy and it'll be cool if he wins but I am not going to write essays defending him or countering the Scheer guy

I don't know it seems a bit odd to me

This is the weird phenomenon I am refering to. Why is Trump such a personal issue in UK? Why is it that the NFL have such an issue that beat the establishment through a democratic process? This isn't Bingo Bob's town hall meeting.

It seems to me that having just an opinion is a crime these days. I mean just accept Trump is president, what feeble womble cry of a UK citizen would make a difference?

 

[Technics 1210]

Brother it's pointless pursuing these arguments with Trump supporters. For the last 5 years I've tried to reason with them on Time Pass and provide the facts but their rehearsed talking points are so ingrained in their heads it's impossible to get through to them.

As for predictions - while the Biden camp should not be complacent like Clinton was, Biden's polling lead in the battleground states is a lot more stable than Clinton's though, and has a higher approval rating than the polarising Clinton. Even if the polls are as far out as they were in 2016, Biden's lead is still sufficient to win, but obviously a Trump victory cannot be ruled out though it would be the biggest polling error in history.

2020 is unique because of the pandemic and huge volume of mail-in ballots so the results will be unclear on Election Night. It's likely Trump leads on the night as he has the advantage with voters turning up day of, whereas Biden has the overwhelming advantage amongst postal voters which may take days or even weeks to be counted.

Hence I fear Trump's team will launch a legal battle to stop counting the mail-in ballots. Whatever happens he'll yell voter fraud, so Biden ideally needs some margin. His best bet for that is in Arizona where his lead's been stable, while Florida and North Carolina are tossups. Texas is a Democratic pipe dream in this election cycle, Biden camp shouldn't waste time there. Even Georgia is difficult unless there's massive black turnout. Iowa and Ohio are more rural so difficult for Democrats - so their strategy should be focusing on keeping Clinton 2016 states + Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin which would be sufficient.

Neo Facsist Liberal at it's finest. He gives it away in the first para. Trying to reason with Trump supporters? Convince them they voted for the wrong person? What a fascist. Try asking them why first.

 

[Technics 1210]

For the record, the likes of Markhor etc, don't post their opinion. No, they post paraphrase articles from Politico, Guardian, and the CNN.

Simply you want to know the lefty opinion, read Google news.

 

[Marshland]

Brother it's pointless pursuing these arguments with Trump supporters. For the last 5 years I've tried to reason with them on Time Pass and provide the facts but their rehearsed talking points are so ingrained in their heads it's impossible to get through to them.

Do you realize how utterly narcissistic you sound when you make a generalization like this one? You are basically stating that your stance on a given subject is THE de facto correct fact, and that anybody in disagreement is beneath you, and can drop out of your life with nary a tear.

2020 is unique because of the pandemic and huge volume of mail-in ballots so the results will be unclear on Election Night. It's likely Trump leads on the night as he has the advantage with voters turning up day of, whereas Biden has the overwhelming advantage amongst postal voters which may take days or even weeks to be counted. Hence I fear Trump's team will launch a legal battle to stop counting the mail-in ballots. Whatever happens he'll yell voter fraud, so Biden ideally needs some margin.

The Democrats have been fed this non-stop soup of lies and doom and gloom and they have gulped down all that negative propaganda that has made them sick. Have we ever witnessed so many riots in the streets? Have we ever seen so many otherwise sane people acting up, acting out and acting like spoiled rotten children throwing a tantrum?

If anything, it's the Biden camp setting up to contest the inevitable Trump result. Backed by none other than Fake News CNN and the New York Toilet Paper Times and The Washington Compost who are in fact ENCOURAGING him to do so.

Nobody knows who is going to win tomorrow night, but if it makes you feel better to think that the reps are shaking and the dems are right in celebrating early, then that's up to you. None of that will matter when the results are finalized, whenever and whoever that may be.

Oh, and there are no swing voters that anybody knows of. The constant anti-Trump drum beat by the media has ensured that either people vote or do they not.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I never said the riots were justified but this is all you right wingers have is that “Antifa are going to burn your city” if you don’t vote for the clown fascist.
The idea that the Democrats are going to abolish the police is actually your right wing fantasy, this is not going to happen since they are behdoen to their unions as much as the Republicans are.

The BLM protests have happened because of decades of non stop police brutality against black people.
You don’t want to address that issue because you know it’s true or you don’t give a flying **** what happens to them - that happens not just on a regular occurrence but on a systematic basis.

Trump mishandled not just the pandemic in the most stupid way possible but he totally botched up the response to the protests and violence - he decided to add more gas to the fire Because he thought white voters would flock to his agression - infact polling data indicates this totally backfired on him, especially his ridiculous bible stunt that he did at the White House by using Police thugs to clear the protesters.

Your relatives are right, the talk of Biden winning is presented as a dangerous wake up call over here, I think Trump supporters will rally to ward off the threat. Media will decide who wins the election, and usually the majority of media houses will back the right wing parties every time.

 

[Nadeemp]

Do you realize how utterly narcissistic you sound when you make a generalization like this one? You are basically stating that your stance on a given subject is THE de facto correct fact, and that anybody in disagreement is beneath you, and can drop out of your life with nary a tear.



The Democrats have been fed this non-stop soup of lies and doom and gloom and they have gulped down all that negative propaganda that has made them sick. Have we ever witnessed so many riots in the streets? Have we ever seen so many otherwise sane people acting up, acting out and acting like spoiled rotten children throwing a tantrum?

If anything, it's the Biden camp setting up to contest the inevitable Trump result. Backed by none other than Fake News CNN and the New York Toilet Paper Times and The Washington Compost who are in fact ENCOURAGING him to do so.

Nobody knows who is going to win tomorrow night, but if it makes you feel better to think that the reps are shaking and the dems are right in celebrating early, then that's up to you. None of that will matter when the results are finalized, whenever and whoever that may be.

Oh, and there are no swing voters that anybody knows of. The constant anti-Trump drum beat by the media has ensured that either people vote or do they not.

The country is very divided, however there is a fraction of voters who were/are undecided. In key battle grounds hey can effect the electorate vote

 

[Markhor]

Do you realize how utterly narcissistic you sound when you make a generalization like this one? You are basically stating that your stance on a given subject is THE de facto correct fact, and that anybody in disagreement is beneath you, and can drop out of your life with nary a tear.



The Democrats have been fed this non-stop soup of lies and doom and gloom and they have gulped down all that negative propaganda that has made them sick. Have we ever witnessed so many riots in the streets? Have we ever seen so many otherwise sane people acting up, acting out and acting like spoiled rotten children throwing a tantrum?

If anything, it's the Biden camp setting up to contest the inevitable Trump result. Backed by none other than Fake News CNN and the New York Toilet Paper Times and The Washington Compost who are in fact ENCOURAGING him to do so.

Nobody knows who is going to win tomorrow night, but if it makes you feel better to think that the reps are shaking and the dems are right in celebrating early, then that's up to you. None of that will matter when the results are finalized, whenever and whoever that may be.

Oh, and there are no swing voters that anybody knows of. The constant anti-Trump drum beat by the media has ensured that either people vote or do they not.

I didn't know I was talking to a kindergarten student, this is too juvenile even for the playground.

Are you going to reply to #523 or are you another one of these Trumpflakes that do a runner when presented with facts ?

 

[Nadeemp]

Cnn, nyt are not the fairest news channels. But nothing compared to fox or Sinclair news. Fox News host tucker Carlson (. Prime time host) had a case in the courts last month. His lawyer. Yes his lawyer argued that tucker Carlson talks so much crap that he should not be taken seriously and nothing he says is believable. On that bases the case was thrown out saying he is not creditable enough and everyone should know this.

 

[Technics 1210]

Omaba awarded Biden the Presidential Award of Freedom for one reason only, Biden would retire from politics.

Omaba knew Biden was a liability and a gaff machine. This is why Obama convince Biden not run in 2016.

Yet the NLP sooks are desperate to vote for dimentia Joe, cos the best alternative out of 350M is Trump.

The American people need questioning, not your messenger Markhors, or you H1 Visa billy boys.

 

[Nadeemp]

I would vote for a week old cheese burger over trump.

 

[90MPH]

Brother it's pointless pursuing these arguments with Trump supporters. For the last 5 years I've tried to reason with them on Time Pass and provide the facts but their rehearsed talking points are so ingrained in their heads it's impossible to get through to them.

As for predictions - while the Biden camp should not be complacent like Clinton was, Biden's polling lead in the battleground states is a lot more stable than Clinton's though, and has a higher approval rating than the polarising Clinton. Even if the polls are as far out as they were in 2016, Biden's lead is still sufficient to win, but obviously a Trump victory cannot be ruled out though it would be the biggest polling error in history.

2020 is unique because of the pandemic and huge volume of mail-in ballots so the results will be unclear on Election Night. It's likely Trump leads on the night as he has the advantage with voters turning up day of, whereas Biden has the overwhelming advantage amongst postal voters which may take days or even weeks to be counted.

Hence I fear Trump's team will launch a legal battle to stop counting the mail-in ballots. Whatever happens he'll yell voter fraud, so Biden ideally needs some margin. His best bet for that is in Arizona where his lead's been stable, while Florida and North Carolina are tossups. Texas is a Democratic pipe dream in this election cycle, Biden camp shouldn't waste time there. Even Georgia is difficult unless there's massive black turnout. Iowa and Ohio are more rural so difficult for Democrats - so their strategy should be focusing on keeping Clinton 2016 states + Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin which would be sufficient.

I feel it’s important as a leftist myself that we engage with the right wing (not the trolls) as we need take down their arguments.
Then those in the middle (centrists) will know what makes sense and we can get them to our side (and even convert a few right wingers -Kyle Kulunski of Secular talk on YouTube has done a good job on that)

As for the election honestly the only way Trump can win from the position he is in by rampant voter suppression, massive cheating (tossing out tons of mail in ballots) and then the Supreme Court handing them the win.

This is possible because the Democrats have been traditionally very weak fighting for their side, they gave up on the Gore 2000 win in which the Republicans blatantly stole Florida with the Supreme Court telling them to stop counting the votes.

But I think this time if the margin of win is so big as polled then even the Supreme Court will have a big problem overturning a Biden victory.

 

[Marshland]

I didn't know I was talking to a kindergarten student, this is too juvenile even for the playground.

Are you going to reply to #523 or are you another one of these Trumpflakes that do a runner when presented with facts ?

Talk about running away after putting out a garbled two-liner and little else; as much stamina as your Dear Leader on that one.

"#523" is no different - just regurgitated spiel picked up from the MSM and debunked endlessly but seemingly out of reach of the dim liberal types we encounter. In the supposed kidnap, a judge determined it was a bunch of idiots drinking and talking and there was nothing that would amount to a “plot.”

The tour bus story is no different. The Biden camp wanted to pull the plug on Texas and they concocted the perfect lie. Watch the video for yourself - absolutely zero happened. All they did was follow along Biden’s bus. There was no running off the road, intimidation tactics. But then I suppose you hopped onto the CNN bandwagon and here you are.

Besides, bigoted BLM and Antifa thugs have been halting cars on motorways for months. Harassing people in restaurants, trespassing through gated communities etc. Leftists have been doing it and the left keeps making excuses for it.

 

[Nadeemp]

I feel it’s important as a leftist myself that we engage with the right wing (not the trolls) as we need take down their arguments.
Then those in the middle (centrists) will know what makes sense and we can get them to our side (and even convert a few right wingers -Kyle Kulunski of Secular talk on YouTube has done a good job on that)

As for the election honestly the only way Trump can win from the position he is in by rampant voter suppression, massive cheating (tossing out tons of mail in ballots) and then the Supreme Court handing them the win.

This is possible because the Democrats have been traditionally very weak fighting for their side, they gave up on the Gore 2000 win in which the Republicans blatantly stole Florida with the Supreme Court telling them to stop counting the votes.

But I think this time if the margin of win is so big as polled then even the Supreme Court will have a big problem overturning a Biden victory.

Republicans just filed a petition in Texas against 120k drive through voting ballots. They want them thrown out. That can swing Texas back to Republicans

 

[90MPH]

Your relatives are right, the talk of Biden winning is presented as a dangerous wake up call over here, I think Trump supporters will rally to ward off the threat. Media will decide who wins the election, and usually the majority of media houses will back the right wing parties every time.

Although the big media networks in America traditionally love being in a race to be the first to call a winner on election night I think this time they will not do it because they know there are tons of mail In ballots that need to be counted due to the pandemic.

They know Trump is desperate and he has already choreographed he will declare himself the winner come what may.

The margin of victory will be important, if Biden wins by a small margin then Trump will steal it with the help of the courts. If it’s bigger like the polls say it will be then Trump will likely be gone by January.

 

[90MPH]

Republicans just filed a petition in Texas against 120k drive through voting ballots. They want them thrown out. That can swing Texas back to Republicans

But Texas should be a firm lock for Trump, he won this state by nearly 10 points in 2016.

The fact that Biden is in a virtual tie according to the polls should be ringing non stop alarm bells for the Republicans. Trump has lost so much ground in a supposed red conservative state says everything.

That’s why they are trying to cheat big time by throwing out votes.

 

[Nadeemp]

Thee polls had Biden by a point or 2 in Texas. So many immigrants have poured into Texas that it will go blue for sure come ext election. That’s a massive problem for republicans in the future

 

[Gayle_Force]

Thee polls had Biden by a point or 2 in Texas. So many immigrants have poured into Texas that it will go blue for sure come ext election. That’s a massive problem for republicans in the future

I heard there are a considerable amount of people moving from states like California over as well. But yea can people really be that dumb to move to Texas so they can reduce taxes and than vote blue?

 

[JaDed]

I heard there are a considerable amount of people moving from states like California over as well. But yea can people really be that dumb to move to Texas so they can reduce taxes and than vote blue?

Not that straightforward .. majority Genz are democrats supporters children of immigrants, it also helps that AOC is a Latina, biases play in.

Its the second,third generation immigrants creating the difference..

 

[JaDed]

I think the beauty of America is that low state taxes conservative capitalism in Texas and high liberal tax states like NY , Cali.. one has a choice it would be unfortunate to see things become too tilted towards either side..

 

[Syed1]

I heard there are a considerable amount of people moving from states like California over as well. But yea can people really be that dumb to move to Texas so they can reduce taxes and than vote blue?

Texas specially cities like Austin have big tech industry and it is quite cheaper to live there than California. Who wouldn't want to work in the same company but live in a cheaper place while maintaining your standard of living?

 

[Nadeemp]

I heard there are a considerable amount of people moving from states like California over as well. But yea can people really be that dumb to move to Texas so they can reduce taxes and than vote blue?

If you make leas than 400k. The taxes are not getting raised. Reason people are moving is because companies are moving from Cali to Texas Texas is the IT hub. No state taxes, cheap housing, high paying jobs. Nothing to do there and it’s Butt ugly.

 

[Markhor]

"#523" is no different - just regurgitated spiel picked up from the MSM and debunked endlessly but seemingly out of reach of the dim liberal types we encounter. In the supposed kidnap, a judge determined it was a bunch of idiots drinking and talking and there was nothing that would amount to a “plot.”

I'll stick to substance and skip the kindergarten insults. No, if you looked at the case there was indeed a serious plot. One of the men attended tactical training exercises in Michigan and Wisconsin before the meeting where the assassination was discussed. They conducted surveillance on Gov Whitmer's holiday home, with law enforcement finding a hand-drawn map of the surrounding area with the distance of the nearest police departments and the estimated response time.

Infact one of the men suggested blowing up a nearby bridge to reduce police response time. Several of the arrested were members of extremist group Wolverine Watchmen and attended anti-lockdown rallies at the Michigan State Capitol where they brandished guns.

The tour bus story is no different. The Biden camp wanted to pull the plug on Texas

What do you mean pull the plug on Texas ? You do realise Biden can reach 270 EVs without Texas ?

Watch the video for yourself - absolutely zero happened. All they did was follow along Biden’s bus. There was no running off the road, intimidation tactics. But then I suppose you hopped onto the CNN bandwagon and here you are.

Yes I'm sure it was only bad Texan driving. Why are those cars boxing in the tour bus in the first place ? You mention America is a freedom loving democracy, what part of democracy entitles people to prevent the opposition from campaigning ?

Besides, bigoted BLM and Antifa thugs have been halting cars on motorways for months. Harassing people in restaurants, trespassing through gated communities etc. Leftists have been doing it and the left keeps making excuses for it.

All of these I have condemned, and many progressive figures online such as David Pakman condemned those incidents.

Conversely, far-right violence has exploded under Trump who has done little to dampen the flames he himself ignites with his dangerous rhetoric. Where's your condemnation for Trump promising to pay the legal bills of supporters who punch protesters in 2016, for Trump describing two supporters who beat a homeless Latino in Boston in 2016 with a metal pole as "very passionate", or describing the Charlottesville white supremacists "very fine people" ? Where's the condemnation for the Michigan militias brandishing guns in the State Capitol ? Or for Cesar Sayoc, a Trump supporter who mailed pipe bombs to leading Democrats before the 2018 midterms ? These incidents are FACTS no matter how many times you cry MSM conspiracy.

 

[Bigboii]

If you make leas than 400k. The taxes are not getting raised. Reason people are moving is because companies are moving from Cali to Texas Texas is the IT hub. No state taxes, cheap housing, high paying jobs. Nothing to do there and it’s Butt ugly.

Lifelong New Yorkers will never like anything other than NYC #facts

if you lived in NYC nothing comes close to that experience/feeling (even from an unbiased perspective no city is like NYC, every head must bow down to the eternal city ) NY Pride

so we have our biases but the reality is that NY becoming a terrible city for families and these families are going down south because of rent and sky high prices (common in most liberal leaning cities)

This is where NY/ California is running into problems

families are leaving on mass (most of the people I knew left) and the state and mayor are not doing anything so a shake up is needed or else the 70s era of NYC will return and this time we wont make a come back...

 

[Gayle_Force]

Texas specially cities like Austin have big tech industry and it is quite cheaper to live there than California. Who wouldn't want to work in the same company but live in a cheaper place while maintaining your standard of living?

Yea I am guessing it’s cheaper because it is a republican state. So anyone from a blue state moving to Texas because they are saving money have some thinking to do before voting.

 

[Gayle_Force]

If you make leas than 400k. The taxes are not getting raised. Reason people are moving is because companies are moving from Cali to Texas Texas is the IT hub. No state taxes, cheap housing, high paying jobs. Nothing to do there and it’s Butt ugly.

Yea I will take that in a heartbeat and all the more reason to keep the state republican for anyone moving there from Cali etc.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Not that straightforward .. majority Genz are democrats supporters children of immigrants, it also helps that AOC is a Latina, biases play in.

Its the second,third generation immigrants creating the difference..

Yea that makes a lot of sense

 

[cric_man]

If you make leas than 400k. The taxes are not getting raised. Reason people are moving is because companies are moving from Cali to Texas Texas is the IT hub. No state taxes, cheap housing, high paying jobs. Nothing to do there and it’s Butt ugly.

Can you tell me which of these IT companies are moving out of Bay Area into Dallas?
I work for one, and curious to know. They maybe expanding and opening up offices in the Austin area but not moving out of Bay area. Texas is surely growing but is not a replacement for Bay Area. And then you have to take into account the other IT hub Seattle before bringing in Texas

 

[cric_man]

Texas specially cities like Austin have big tech industry and it is quite cheaper to live there than California. Who wouldn't want to work in the same company but live in a cheaper place while maintaining your standard of living?

The compensation is not the same. Same company, exactly same role will have significant salary differences based on which market you are in.
For my company, NYC, SFO, LA, Seattle are considered tier 1 (median home cost > 1.2M).
Tier 2 is Chicago, Dallas/Austin/Portland/Nashville. If you move from SFO/Seattle to lets say Austin or Nashville, you will see an adjustment (down) in your total comp. You will not see any change in comp if you move from SFO to NYC or Seattle. However CA has around 11% state income tax whereas WA or Texas does not. So in that case even if you take a 15% hit to your salary moving from CA to TX, you will make up with the fact that you are not paying any state income tax in TX. Also a 1200 sq ft fixer upper in Bay area will run you around 1.5-2M. You can buy a fairly big >4000 sq ft home on 1/2-1 acre property in Dallas / Austin for 5-600k

 

[Nadeemp]

The compensation is not the same. Same company, exactly same role will have significant salary differences based on which market you are in.
For my company, NYC, SFO, LA, Seattle are considered tier 1 (median home cost > 1.2M).
Tier 2 is Chicago, Dallas/Austin/Portland/Nashville. If you move from SFO/Seattle to lets say Austin or Nashville, you will see an adjustment (down) in your total comp. You will not see any change in comp if you move from SFO to NYC or Seattle. However CA has around 11% state income tax whereas WA or Texas does not. So in that case even if you take a 15% hit to your salary moving from CA to TX, you will make up with the fact that you are not paying any state income tax in TX. Also a 1200 sq ft fixer upper in Bay area will run you around 1.5-2M. You can buy a fairly big >4000 sq ft home on 1/2-1 acre property in Dallas / Austin for 5-600k

Property taxes are pretty high in Texas.

 

[Nadeemp]

Can you tell me which of these IT companies are moving out of Bay Area into Dallas?
I work for one, and curious to know. They maybe expanding and opening up offices in the Austin area but not moving out of Bay area. Texas is surely growing but is not a replacement for Bay Area. And then you have to take into account the other IT hub Seattle before bringing in Texas

I have three friends and my brother has 2 friends who lived from Cali to Dallas in last 2-3 years as their company ( part of it or all of it moved to Dallas). One I know for sure was liberty mutual. Another was a start up called zig zag medís group . Got bought by adobe. Another friend moved not from Cali though to the Toyota head quarters in Dallas

 

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Lifelong New Yorkers will never like anything other than NYC #facts

if you lived in NYC nothing comes close to that experience/feeling (even from an unbiased perspective no city is like NYC, every head must bow down to the eternal city ) NY Pride

so we have our biases but the reality is that NY becoming a terrible city for families and these families are going down south because of rent and sky high prices (common in most liberal leaning cities)

This is where NY/ California is running into problems

families are leaving on mass (most of the people I knew left) and the state and mayor are not doing anything so a shake up is needed or else the 70s era of NYC will return and this time we wont make a come back...

I call nyc home. Very few people have left nyc due to the pandemic for good. Rents are down ( short term). Sale prices are holding ,, 5-7 percent down in manhattan. A bit less in Brooklyn and Brooklyn 2 beds with private outdoor up 5 percent. Columbia university one of the biggest landlords in nyc just. Colllected 90 percent of the pre pandemic rent (third quarter). Upper middle calls leaving . Rich people will return as usual. Where else will they go to spend their hard earned money.