US warns India of ‘serious implications’ if it picks Russian S-400 over American defense promises

[Lonewarrior]

The US-India defense ties will be put at risk should New Delhi purchase Russian S-400 air defense systems, a senior American diplomat warned, noting that India should think very carefully about making such strategic choices.
“At a certain point, a strategic choice has to be made about partnerships and a strategic choice about what weapons systems and platforms a country is going to adopt,” Alice Wells, US principal deputy assistant secretary for South and Central Asia, said this week at the hearings on US interests in South Asia and the budget for the fiscal year 2020.

India’s procurement of the S-400s “effectively could limit India’s ability to increase our own interoperability,” she said, explaining that Washington has “serious concerns” about the implications of the $5 billion deal signed with Russia in October on India-US defense ties.

There is no blanket waiver, or a country waiver when it comes to S-400.

https://www.rt.com/news/461917-us-india-s400-serious-implications/amp/

 

[Lonewarrior]

United States ups the ante for India on S-400, says defence ties at risk

A senior Trump administration official said on Thursday there were “serious concerns” about India’s planned acquisition of Russian S-400 missile defense systems that could not only leave India vulnerable to sanctions but also “limit” interoperability between US and Indian militaries, a key focus of growing ties between the two countries.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/united-states-ups-the-ante-for-india-on-s-400-says-defence-ties-at-risk/story-brg1r2LQETNOcZur5CTgeJ.html

 

[msaaim89]

Limited interoperability? Why can't they say straight, we don't want you to spend your military budget elsewhere.

They need to realise neither Turkey nor India will back down.

 

[PakLFC]

India mostly puts all it's eggs in America's basket. They have even upset Iran recently over a similar issue. Now the American's are basically telling them to choose a side or else....
It is good that Pak is gradually moving out of it's dependency on USA. If India wants to be America's number one customer then Russia can and will look elsewhere as well. Yesterday's pics of IK chatting away with Putin whilst Modi was relegated to standing alone in a corner spoke volumes.

 

[Mr.Q]

India has already retaliated to the tariff hikes by the US by increasing import duty on 29 US products.
There will have to be discussions on every front. No more one way traffic.

 

[msaaim89]

India has already retaliated to the tariff hikes by the US by increasing import duty on 29 US products.
There will have to be discussions on every front. No more one way traffic.

Was it a tariff hike or removal of extra benefits given to idea due to developing bation status?

 

[Mr.Q]

Was it a tariff hike or removal of extra benefits given to idea due to developing bation status?

Both. They increased tariff on steel and aluminium products. Later the duty-free benefits were also removed. India is ok with the removal of duty free benefits as its economy is in a much better position than it once was. India has explained that the duty-hike is a response to their tariff hike, not to the removal of duty-free benefits.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India mostly puts all it's eggs in America's basket. They have even upset Iran recently over a similar issue. Now the American's are basically telling them to choose a side or else....
It is good that Pak is gradually moving out of it's dependency on USA. If India wants to be America's number one customer then Russia can and will look elsewhere as well. Yesterday's pics of IK chatting away with Putin whilst Modi was relegated to standing alone in a corner spoke volumes.

Do you know that Modi and Putin held a bilateral summit meeting in Bishkek? Lol at Putin relegating Modi to the sidelines.

Just a month back he awarded Modi Russia's highest honour.

Regarding weapons purchases, pakistan is looking for a IMF bailout, so how will it pay the Russians and replace India which buys weapons worth billions of dollars.

Indian weapons purchases vary from Russia to France to Israel to US. Lol at India putting its eggs in one basket.

 

[msaaim89]

Both. They increased tariff on steel and aluminium products. Later the duty-free benefits were also removed. India is ok with the removal of duty free benefits as its economy is in a much better position than it once was. India has explained that the duty-hike is a response to their tariff hike, not to the removal of duty-free benefits.

Fair enough, in that case India has every right to add tariffs to US products.

 

[PakLFC]

Do you know that Modi and Putin held a bilateral summit meeting in Bishkek? Lol at Putin relegating Modi to the sidelines.

Just a month back he awarded Modi Russia's highest honour.

Regarding weapons purchases, pakistan is looking for a IMF bailout, so how will it pay the Russians and replace India which buys weapons worth billions of dollars.

Indian weapons purchases vary from Russia to France to Israel to US. Lol at India putting its eggs in one basket.

Never mind any other meetings of Modi where other leaders were not present or silly and meaningless awards being dished out by Putin. We will find a way of paying the Russians by recovering all the looted wealth stocked abroad by our own corrupt politicians, there is no other choice. Pak military is speaking with it's Russian counterparts at the moment in buying military hardware. India is America's top customer, it does buy from others as well but not as much. Pak buys from America as well however we are gradually moving away from them. As we can see India is being warned not to buy from the Russians.

 

[sshakir411]

Natural partners. Strategic friends. LOL. India will finally realize what it’s like partnering up with the US. Friendship With the US comes with costs...enjoy!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Natural partners. Strategic friends. LOL. India will finally realize what it’s like partnering up with the US. Friendship With the US comes with costs...enjoy!

This is why US is not our "Only" friend.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Never mind any other meetings of Modi where other leaders were not present or silly and meaningless awards being dished out by Putin. We will find a way of paying the Russians by recovering all the looted wealth stocked abroad by our own corrupt politicians, there is no other choice. Pak military is speaking with it's Russian counterparts at the moment in buying military hardware. India is America's top customer, it does buy from others as well but not as much. Pak buys from America as well however we are gradually moving away from them. As we can see India is being warned not to buy from the Russians.

Bilateral summit meetings are held between leaders of two countries. Modi has a meeting with Putin,Xi and the Krygyz President. They took out time to meet Modi outside of the SCO meet also. Thats the importance. Awards are meaningless because IK isnt getting one lol.

You know nothing. Indias top two weapons suppliers are Russia and Israel. Then there is France and also US.

 

[Hasan2K8]

How this happened lol. I thought they were best of buddies along with the yahuds Israelis.

 

[AdamM97]

How this happened lol. I thought they were best of buddies along with the yahuds Israelis.

The US doesn’t want friends, it wants vassals.

 

[jeetu]

India should get S-400 asap, US will fall in line in time.

 

[Napa]

India mostly puts all it's eggs in America's basket. <b>They have even upset Iran recently over a similar issue.</b> Now the American's are basically telling them to choose a side or else....
It is good that Pak is gradually moving out of it's dependency on USA. If India wants to be America's number one customer then Russia can and will look elsewhere as well. Yesterday's pics of IK chatting away with Putin whilst Modi was relegated to standing alone in a corner spoke volumes.

Whatever one may think of Iran's foreign policy, the fact remains that over the last 70 years, the benefit to India from Iran has been a big fat zero. They give us oil, we give them money, no favors being done here.

And their Ayatollah's every once in a while will criticize India over Kashmir. India owes nothing to Iran unless it starts helping India in tangible ways.

 

[PakLFC]

Bilateral summit meetings are held between leaders of two countries. Modi has a meeting with Putin,Xi and the Krygyz President. They took out time to meet Modi outside of the SCO meet also. Thats the importance. Awards are meaningless because IK isnt getting one lol.

You know nothing. Indias top two weapons suppliers are Russia and Israel. Then there is France and also US.

I know plenty. So what if Modi has been meeting other leaders? Get over it! He's not the only one who does it neither did he most likely understand a word that was said. IK has many many international leaders since coming in to power and at the recent meeting Modi was the one made to stand in a corner. In such meetings meetings body language and such things are very important. A graduate, WC winner and achiever like IK does need awards like a chaiwala does to feel good about himself. Once again India is being told not asked by America to abandon Russia. This is what this thread is about.

 

[PakLFC]

Whatever one may think of Iran's foreign policy, the fact remains that over the last 70 years, the benefit to India from Iran has been a big fat zero. They give us oil, we give them money, no favors being done here.

And their Ayatollah's every once in a while will criticize India over Kashmir. India owes nothing to Iran unless it starts helping India in tangible ways.

So the Chabahar port must be off then?. It is good that you are not onside with the Persians. It means we can reclaim them and make them admit that Kulbushan was not kidnapped from Iran as India insists.

 

[Napa]

So the Chabahar port must be off then?. It is good that you are not onside with the Persians. It means we can reclaim them and make them admit that Kulbushan was not kidnapped from Iran as India insists.

Doesn't matter if the Chabahar port is on or off, it is a simple business transaction. There should be no warm feelings between Iran and India given the Iran's behavior.

Kulbushan is possibly one spy in a region with a million spies.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I know plenty. So what if Modi has been meeting other leaders? Get over it! He's not the only one who does it neither did he most likely understand a word that was said. IK has many many international leaders since coming in to power and at the recent meeting Modi was the one made to stand in a corner. In such meetings meetings body language and such things are very important. A graduate, WC winner and achiever like IK does need awards like a chaiwala does to feel good about himself. Once again India is being told not asked by America to abandon Russia. This is what this thread is about.

The stature of a leader is judged by the country he represents. IK is nobody when it comes to that. Modi is one of the most important leaders outside the P5.IK right now is going around looking for bailouts for his country.

Modi has been hosted by every important leader in the world. And no he didnot had to chauffer around anyone.

Body language? Lolfer. How many bilaterals did IK get?

All his degrees or his WC means zilch to any world leader. Lol.

 

[PakLFC]

Doesn't matter if the Chabahar port is on or off, it is a simple business transaction. There should be no warm feelings between Iran and India given the Iran's behavior.

Kulbushan is possibly one spy in a region with a million spies.

Kulbushan was caught red handed by us. You denied he as even Indian until later making other excuses then eventually accepted it. Oh I see so after raving on about Chabahar it now means nothing to India it seems!? This is because you have decided to obey the Americans again.

 

[PakLFC]

The stature of a leader is judged by the country he represents. IK is nobody when it comes to that. Modi is one of the most important leaders outside the P5.IK right now is going around looking for bailouts for his country.

Modi has been hosted by every important leader in the world. And no he didnot had to chauffer around anyone.

Body language? Lolfer. How many bilaterals did IK get?

All his degrees or his WC means zilch to any world leader. Lol.

You having a laugh! Modi is an embarrassment where IK may be an inexperienced PM but that is the only way to learn. Again IK being very new needs time but he is already seeing the Chinese and Russians who are two major world powers. If you mean that India has not invited him then that is what I wanted in the first place. As for the Americans as we are no longer fighting their war next door it is understandable they are not very keen on IK, you get me? So first you talk about Modi's awards then when I mention IK's great achievements you belittle them like a typical biased Indian. That is the problem with you people nonetheless a chaiwala is a chaiwala even if he sits in a limousine!

 

[PakLFC]

 

[Napa]

Kulbushan was caught red handed by us. <b>You denied he as even Indiann </b> until later making other excuses then eventually accepted it.

You are confusing me for the spokesperson of the Indian Foreign Ministry. I am not that person. I have no idea what Kulbushan was, not being privy to the secrets of the India government.

Oh I see so after raving on about Chabahar it now means nothing to India it seems!? This is because you have decided to obey the Americans again.

I doubt you will find one post other than my current exchange with you, in which I mentioned Chabahar.

India doesn't "obey" Americans. It tries to make loyal friends who help it, and who it helps in return.

 

[PakLFC]

You are confusing me for the spokesperson of the Indian Foreign Ministry. I am not that person. I have no idea what Kulbushan was, not being privy to the secrets of the India government.



I doubt you will find one post other than my current exchange with you, in which I mentioned Chabahar.

India doesn't "obey" Americans. It tries to make loyal friends who help it, and who it helps in return.

I mentioned Chabahar not you, happy?. By "you" I assume you're Indian. If not then I take my words back. We Pak's do know who Yadav is and he has admitted it too on TV. Loyal friends? That mst be why Indian's have left Iran on the behest of Uncle Sam! No don't say you have no Uncle called Sam! Ab itna masoom bhi mat bano!

 

[Napa]

I mentioned Chabahar not you, happy?. By "you" I assume you're Indian. If not then I take my words back. We Pak's do know who Yadav is and he has admitted it too on TV. <b>Loyal friends? That mst be why Indian's have left Iran on the behest of Uncle Sam!</b> No don't say you have no Uncle called Sam! Ab itna masoom bhi mat bano!

My point is simple and you don't seem to be getting it. Iran has never been India's friend, let alone loyal friend. At best it is not India's enemy.

The Shah sent arms to Pakistan to fight India. The current Ayatollahs criticize India over Kashmir. There are no warm feelings between these two countries.

Iran has never been India's friend, and given their attitudes never will be. That is okay for Indians, we don't need everybody's friendship. As long as they don't try to harm us, we can have a business relationship. In a business relationship you do whatever is best. If the cost due to US sanctions is too much, then you scrap a business deal.

On the other hand, Indians consider the Soviet Union/Russia as a friend who has stood by us when we needed them. So we will not scrap the SS 400 deal even if the US sanctions us because Russia needs us now.

 

[PakLFC]

My point is simple and you don't seem to be getting it. Iran has never been India's friend, let alone loyal friend. At best it is not India's enemy.

The Shah sent arms to Pakistan to fight India. The current Ayatollahs criticize India over Kashmir. There are no warm feelings between these two countries.

Iran has never been India's friend, and given their attitudes never will be. That is okay for Indians, we don't need everybody's friendship. As long as they don't try to harm us, we can have a business relationship. In a business relationship you do whatever is best. If the cost due to US sanctions is too much, then you scrap a business deal.

On the other hand, Indians consider the Soviet Union/Russia as a friend who has stood by us when we needed them. So we will not scrap the SS 400 deal even if the US sanctions us because Russia needs us now.

Oh come on Iran and India have had a decent to good relationship over the years. Iran and Pak have had a mixed relationship, they are greatly responsible for the sectarianism violence in Pak over the years as well.

There are no friends in politics only allies.. Even China is not our friend unconditionally unless there is great benefit for them. Now the point I am making is that the American's mean much more to India then they do to Pak after IK became PM. We are gradually shifting away from them by forming better ties with the Russians. On Indian TV it is still America this and America that! They boast how India's relationship with America is so great and Pak's so poor as if we give two hoots!

 

[Napa]

Oh come on Iran and India have had a decent to good relationship over the years. Iran and Pak have had a mixed relationship, they are greatly responsible for the sectarianism violence in Pak over the years as well.

Iran has been either a feudal country (like the Shahs) or a religious fundamentalist country (like now) for over a thousand years now. The last significant interaction between India and Iran was the butcher Nadir Shah.

There is no basis to believe in any sort of friendship between India and Iran, they sell us oil and we pay them, period.

Can't think of anything positive coming from Iran to India for over a thousand years. Can you?

There are no friends in politics only allies.. Even China is not our friend unconditionally unless there is great benefit for them. Now the point I am making is that the American's mean much more to India then they do to Pak after IK became PM. We are gradually shifting away from them by forming better ties with the Russians.

There are degrees of friendship. No friendship is total, but India and Russia do have a desire to help each other. India was the only major country to support Russia when it annexed Crimea.

On Indian TV it is still America this and America that! They boast how India's relationship with America is so great and Pak's so poor as if we give two hoots!

Most of Indian liberal media is critical of India's growing closeness to the US. I think you have only seen what you want to see, confirmation bias.

 

[AdamM97]

Iran has been either a feudal country (like the Shahs) or a religious fundamentalist country (like now) for over a thousand years now. The last significant interaction between India and Iran was the butcher Nadir Shah.

There is no basis to believe in any sort of friendship between India and Iran, they sell us oil and we pay them, period.

Can't think of anything positive coming from Iran to India for over a thousand years. Can you?



There are degrees of friendship. No friendship is total, but India and Russia do have a desire to help each other. India was the only major country to support Russia when it annexed Crimea.



Most of Indian liberal media is critical of India's growing closeness to the US. I think you have only seen what you want to see, confirmation bias.

Most nations only have allies and not friends. Friendship can only be built between countries that share a common history and culture.

Russia and India aren’t friends, both used each other because of international geopolitics and military equipment.
Same as Pakistan and US ”friendship” that were both used each other for their own benefits and once our interests were different, conflicts began to appear.

If India allies itself with the US against China, don’t be surprised if Russia leans towards Pakistan. Today, Russia and Pakistan have similar goals and interests.

 

[warcry]

India is going to drop the S-400. It is known.

The US is going to offer India Patriot Missile Defence + F-35 fighters +possible tariff concessions, and India is going to backstab the Russians in return. Which is why India signed a deal for the S400 in the first place. To drive a hard deal with the US.

All that is happening between India and the US right now is haggling.

 

[PakLFC]

Iran has been either a feudal country (like the Shahs) or a religious fundamentalist country (like now) for over a thousand years now. The last significant interaction between India and Iran was the butcher Nadir Shah.

There is no basis to believe in any sort of friendship between India and Iran, they sell us oil and we pay them, period.

Can't think of anything positive coming from Iran to India for over a thousand years. Can you?



There are degrees of friendship. No friendship is total, but India and Russia do have a desire to help each other. India was the only major country to support Russia when it annexed Crimea.



Most of Indian liberal media is critical of India's growing closeness to the US. I think you have only seen what you want to see, confirmation bias.

From hat I know your Shia Muslims love to visit Iran much more then ours. They have greatly contributed to Shia culture as well. I don't think you'll be buying oil from Iran no after chacha Sam has laid down the law.

Well Putin these days seems to be more close with the Khan as seen in the above photo's. This despite us being on opposite sides during the cold war. Russia is not gonna baby sit India if you offend them by choosing the Yanks over them. Is it? There are more Indian news channels then people in the country it seems! Can't watch all of them!

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-asia-austin-india/u-s-defense-secretary-urges-india-to-avoid-buying-russian-equipment-idUSKBN2BC071?il=0

The United States would like to elevate and strengthen security ties with India, especially in information sharing and logistics, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told his Indian counterpart on Saturday.

Austin is making the first visit by a top member of U.S. President Joe Biden’s administration to India as part of efforts to forge an alliance of countries seeking to push back against China’s assertiveness in the region.

The leaders of the United States, India, Australia and Japan - countries together known as the Quad - held a first summit last week pledging to work together for a free and open Indo-Pacific and to cooperate on maritime and cyber security in the face of challenges from China.

“India, in particular, is an increasingly important partner among today’s rapidly shifting international dynamics,” Austin said after meeting Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh.

“We discussed opportunities to elevate the U.S.-India major defence partnership, which is a priority of the Biden-Harris administration. And we’ll do that through regional security cooperation and military to military interactions and defence trade.”

Singh said their meeting focused on “expanding military-to-military engagement across services, information-sharing, cooperation in emerging sectors of defence, and mutual logistics support”.

He also urged U.S. industry to invest in India’s defence sector, citing what he called liberalised foreign direct investment policies.

Austin met Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on his arrival in New Delhi on Friday. He leaves on Sunday.

“India and US are committed to our strategic partnership that is a force for global good,” Modi said on Twitter.

India drew closer to the United States last year following a deadly border clash with China. Washington has helped New Delhi, leasing surveillance drones and supplying cold-weather gear for Indian troops.

 

[OMB]

Austin hints India’s purchase of Russian missile system could trigger sanctions
But the Pentagon chief said New Delhi has not yet acquired the S-400.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin hinted during a visit to New Delhi on Saturday that India’s planned purchase of an advanced Russian missile system could trigger U.S. sanctions, but left room for New Delhi to back away from the deal.

“We certainly urge all our allies and partners to move away from Russian equipment … and really avoid any kind of acquisitions that would trigger sanctions on our behalf,” Austin said in response to a question from a reporter about India’s plan to acquire the S-400.

However, he stressed that Russia has not yet delivered the equipment to New Delhi. While Austin did discuss the system with his Indian counterpart, Minister of Defense Rajnath Singh, the two did not discuss potential sanctions, he said.

“We are aware of the fact that they have expressed interest in acquiring the system,” Austin acknowledged. But “they have not acquired an S-400 system yet, so there would be no reason for sanctions to be on the table.”

The United States has in recent years sought to pull India from Russia’s and China’s orbit with high-profile visits and increasing arms sales and military cooperation. But India’s planned purchase of the S-400 could prove a flashpoint, particularly after Congress imposed sanctions on Turkey for acquiring the same system.

U.S. officials have said the S-400 cannot co-exist with U.S. equipment, as it can be used to collect intelligence on U.S. systems. They are particularly concerned about Russia using the S-400 to learn about the F-35 fighter jet’s advanced capabilities.

Austin came under increased pressure to raise the issue with Indian officials this week after Sen. Bob Menendez, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urged the Pentagon chief to make clear the Biden administration’s opposition to the S-400 deal.

"If India chooses to go forward with its purchase of the S-400, that act will clearly constitute a significant, and therefore sanctionable, transaction with the Russian defense sector under Section 231 of CAATSA," Menendez wrote in a recent letter to Austin, referring to the law called Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.

"It will also limit India's ability to work with the US on development and procurement of sensitive military technology,” Menendez continued. “I expect you to make all of these challenges clear in conversations with your Indian counterparts.”

However, the law does leave room for the secretary of State to waive sanctions for any individual country that purchases Russian equipment.

Austin noted that the United States does work with countries that operate Russian equipment “from time to time.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/20/lloyd-austin-india-sanctions-s400-missile-477304

 

[Romali_rotti]

Austin hints India’s purchase of Russian missile system could trigger sanctions
But the Pentagon chief said New Delhi has not yet acquired the S-400.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin hinted during a visit to New Delhi on Saturday that India’s planned purchase of an advanced Russian missile system could trigger U.S. sanctions, but left room for New Delhi to back away from the deal.

“We certainly urge all our allies and partners to move away from Russian equipment … and really avoid any kind of acquisitions that would trigger sanctions on our behalf,” Austin said in response to a question from a reporter about India’s plan to acquire the S-400.

However, he stressed that Russia has not yet delivered the equipment to New Delhi. While Austin did discuss the system with his Indian counterpart, Minister of Defense Rajnath Singh, the two did not discuss potential sanctions, he said.

“We are aware of the fact that they have expressed interest in acquiring the system,” Austin acknowledged. But “they have not acquired an S-400 system yet, so there would be no reason for sanctions to be on the table.”

The United States has in recent years sought to pull India from Russia’s and China’s orbit with high-profile visits and increasing arms sales and military cooperation. But India’s planned purchase of the S-400 could prove a flashpoint, particularly after Congress imposed sanctions on Turkey for acquiring the same system.

U.S. officials have said the S-400 cannot co-exist with U.S. equipment, as it can be used to collect intelligence on U.S. systems. They are particularly concerned about Russia using the S-400 to learn about the F-35 fighter jet’s advanced capabilities.

Austin came under increased pressure to raise the issue with Indian officials this week after Sen. Bob Menendez, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urged the Pentagon chief to make clear the Biden administration’s opposition to the S-400 deal.

"If India chooses to go forward with its purchase of the S-400, that act will clearly constitute a significant, and therefore sanctionable, transaction with the Russian defense sector under Section 231 of CAATSA," Menendez wrote in a recent letter to Austin, referring to the law called Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.

"It will also limit India's ability to work with the US on development and procurement of sensitive military technology,” Menendez continued. “I expect you to make all of these challenges clear in conversations with your Indian counterparts.”

However, the law does leave room for the secretary of State to waive sanctions for any individual country that purchases Russian equipment.

Austin noted that the United States does work with countries that operate Russian equipment “from time to time.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/20/lloyd-austin-india-sanctions-s400-missile-477304

I don't believe Indians will be to purchase the S400, US will place a lot of pressure on India, however will offer them a deal they cant refuse which would be along the lines of:

- Compensating all the funds they have transferred to Russia so far &
- Offering weapons not offered to any other countries along with further economic development opportunities.

I personally believe the S400 cannot be trusted as Russians are now owned by the Chinese.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Respect to the leadership for standing firm on S-400 purchase despite US pressure

Time to co-develop S-500

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921973653606158528