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HASHAM2 said:
Amir Start his International Cricket with T-20


B.Kumar also Started with T-20 Cricket

anyway get him in Pakistan ODI Squad for SL Series
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Amir didn't bowl his full quota and was going at +10.

I always thought that T20 format was made for spinners and trundlers with "variations" :sohail and not (genuine) fast bowlers.

To throw someone like Shinwari is suicidal for his career, he swings it a lot and all his efforts can be negated by a wild slog which goes to the boundary.

I'd like to see him in ODIs first.
 
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Mamoon_ said:
Not really quick, touch slower than Junaid but he is pretty unstoppable.

Bowling like Bhuvneshwar Kumar did vs us in the First T20 last year.

Unbelievable swing bowling.
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What game were you watching was easily outpacing Bhatti who is 140+ clicks himself.
 
Special bowler.

I saw him bowl 4 deliveries a few months ago and I new this kid had very good talent.

Look at him producing now. Pace with swing.

HE can swing the ball a lot and he bowls around 145kph
 
This guy is a real bowler, unlike Tanvir and the useless Anwar/Asad Ali.

Junaid, Irfan, Bhatti, Usman Khan, Ehsan, Talha are the real deal.
 
Excellence said:
What a beast. He should go to UAE with the team and play on saturday against Afg. as the squad is only 14 membered. No need to keep him out for 'good for nothing ' Tanvir.
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I really hope he doesn't play against Afghanistan :P
 
Xoib said:
What game were you watching was easily outpacing Bhatti who is 140+ clicks himself.
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I didn't check the speedgun. I was asked how he looked and I told him as I saw.

He didn't look particulary quick to me but if he really bowled at over 140 and swung the ball at that pace than this guy is indeed a special talent.
 
Him dismissing Misbah for a duck will definitely play a role in his selection.
 
I watched some of the spell and he looks a decent talent-more in the mould of Wahab rather than Amir. Moves the ball away from right handers and with that action, thats all he will be able to do. He bowled at good pace-over 140.
Rather than spending time on learning to bowl inswing, which he wont be able to do with that action, he should work on bowling around the wicket to right handers and angling the ball in and then cutting it away at a decent lick.
 
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Why hyping him all up after one match? He hasn't even played much domestic matches,
so one can't actually say he actually bowls like that regularly.

The conditions were ideal for swing, cold and a bit foggy.

It could be like the FLUKE performance Anwar Ali had in U-19 WC final.

Don't get your hopes too high. Though if he INDEED BOWLS like that regularly in domestic, then he's a good find!!!
 
I never hype up bowlers, ESPECIALLY after 1 match. But this guy can be special. Why do I say that?

His pace was reallllyyyy quick, I genuinely think he was touching 150kph. But more importantly, he had control! Whether or not he can regularly swing the ball is what would differentiate him from being a great bowler to a very good one.

He has the pace and the control, now if he can swing it regularly then we have someone special. What was remarkable about him was that not a single loose ball was delivered, hence his amazing economy rate.

That is truly impressive considering how fast he was bowling, and I have a feeling he can swing it like that regularly based on the natural line and lengths he was bowling.
 
Gotta admit, that was really special. Would not be surprised at all to see him play for us in the t20 world cup.
 
Deadly to lefties for sure.

You can see the similarity with Wahab Riaz.
 
Great bowling in that video. Looks quite aggressive too in his celebration. Seems like he looked at Ali waqas when celebrating as he went past. And this was against a strong batting side too.
 
Heisenberg said:
Gotta admit, that was really special. Would not be surprised at all to see him play for us in the t20 world cup.
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Yes, a possibility if Tanvir flops against SL.
He was the best bowler in the T20 cup so it would be rewarding a good performance.
 
endymion248 said:
Deadly to lefties for sure.

You can see the similarity with Wahab Riaz.
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i hate Wahab Wrist Position

from What i seen
This Guy Bowls like Dirk Nannes

Same Pace but maybe he swing more than Nannes

Zia ul haq is also Another Bowler why swing 1 way :(

Mir Hamza is Complate Package which Swing both way i seen his Video few days ago my Word Inswing was Awsome

high hope from those 3 Pacers
 
HASHAM2 said:
This Guy Can be Good ODI/T-20 Bowler for Us in Future

i Think We should Bring him in T-20 Cricket as Early as Possible

he has ability to bowl Yorkers at Pace which i dont see in Other Fast bowlers around the World Currently

I Want this Guy in Team for T-20 WC 2014

in last 3 T-20 Matches he is Bowling with Econ of 5

in T-20 Cricket Econ does matter

Econ Wise best Fast bowler of Current Faysal Bank T-20 Cup
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endymion248 said:
You should calm down and let him play a bit of domestic cricket. There are many fast bowlers above him in the pecking order.

For T20 WC alone, Tanvir, Gul, Junaid, Anwar, Bhatti and Irfan. Maybe Talha or Tabish.


endymion248 said:
Yes, a possibility if Tanvir flops against SL.
He was the best bowler in the T20 cup so it would be rewarding a good performance.
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SIR What u Say now

Should We Bring him in for WC-T-20 2014
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HASHAM2 said:
SIR What u Say now

Should We Bring him in for WC-T-20 2014
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If he is brought in, it would mean that domestic T20 performances are rewarded (he was not leading wicket taker yesterday) although it could be at the expense of his progression.

Ideally, I would prefer to have Talha or Tabish but they were both wayward in this competition so it would be unfair on players like Usman Shinwari and Imran Khan who have performed way better.
 
Get him in sooner rather than later. We've all seen how Anwar Ali has completely lost his swing by toiling around in domestic cricket with coaches messing him about, please dont let the same happen to this guy!
 
As far as I am concerned the best advert for a youngster is that they perform when they are asked to step up.

it doesn't get bigger than a televised final.

Should get a free pass to a full international squad straight away.
 
endymion248 said:
If he is brought in, it would mean that domestic T20 performances are rewarded (he was not leading wicket taker yesterday) although it could be at the expense of his progression.

Ideally, I would prefer to have Talha or Tabish but they were both wayward in this competition so it would be unfair on players like Usman Shinwari and Imran Khan who have performed way better.
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Talha,Tabish Line Length is Big Worry

iam sure if both Play Against Likes of Dhoni,AB Thay will smash Them all over the park

Wahab,Sami,Tanvir Mentally Weak Players

This Guy Looks Mentally Strong (did Performance in Big match Final)
 
Boi said:
Get him in sooner rather than later. We've all seen how Anwar Ali has completely lost his swing by toiling around in domestic cricket with coaches messing him about, please dont let the same happen to this guy!
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s28 said:
As far as I am concerned the best advert for a youngster is that they perform when they are asked to step up.

it doesn't get bigger than a televised final.

Should get a free pass to a full international squad straight away.
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Bring it ON

Debut vs SL in up Coming series

Inswing to Sanga At pace :D
 
Mir Hamza, Zia & Usman are top bowlers.

Add in Ehsan, Sadaf & Talha then wow.

Also, Bhatti, Irfan & Junaid.

Blessed.
 
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Few Interesting Comment seen on Usman Khan
No Hype Thougt

Usman Friend@ From Islamia Collage Peshawar
Faced one Ball from him at collage and the ball want by me as if it was a Bullet (Pacy since Collage Time)

Indian Fan@ Take Murli Vijay and Get Ishant for Free send this lad to Indian team :p
 
HASHAM2 said:
i hate Wahab Wrist Position

from What i seen
This Guy Bowls like Dirk Nannes

Same Pace but maybe he swing more than Nannes

Zia ul haq is also Another Bowler why swing 1 way :(

Mir Hamza is Complate Package which Swing both way i seen his Video few days ago my Word Inswing was Awsome

high hope from those 3 Pacers
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Zia ul Haq swung the ball bot ways, has he forgotton it?
 
We produce better bowlers then India produce batsman.

We have around 15 bowlers who could play international cricket right now and compete at a good level. Maybe even 20.
 
IAJ said:
Zia ul Haq swung the ball bot ways, has he forgotton it?
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Against Left Hand Batsman Zia swing away Little bit

against Right hand Batsman Sadly No

He is young can Improve Wirst position and can Develop Inswing
 
3 best spell of pace + swing according to me
1) anwar ali vs India-19
2) Usman khan vs Sngpl
3)Junaid khan vs India
 
HASHAM2 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwbglpfB1r4&feature=youtube_gdata&noredirect=1

Usman Khan Shinwari Bowling Video
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Amazing talent, if he is genuine 19 (or 20). I have been watching cricket for long years & in last 20 years hardly have seen any one with such potentials. I say potential because he is in extreme raw shape, not ready for International cricket yet, almost all of his armors are from basic street cricket. He isn't getting much from his run up, neither from his action or wrist & his delivery stride isn't helping him to get LBW against lefhanders. For that sort of in-deepers, he has to bowl close to stamps for getting LBWs. His entire efforts are shoulder based & he is cramping during delivery stride - prime suspect for stress fracture or soft tissue damage.

If a quality bowling coach (or a mentor like any of 2Ws) can work on minor fundamentals, WITHOUT changing his natural self, he can be as good as anyone. With the help of a good coach, he can add few yards of pace (can reach 150K, I guess he was 140K+ in this match), can bring the ball to right-handers & most importantly, can learn to bowl swinging yorkers. But, most important point is, if he is actually 22-23, I don't think he 'll improve enough to dominate international cricket. The learning curve for bowlers finish by 21 (for batsmen it's a bit more), after that, they become cunning & experienced, but hardly improves on fundamentals - pace, swing etc.
 
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He was impressive today. What i have seen is that swing is his main strenght...when bowl is not doing anything he can go for plenty runs easily. Even in the third over he was not swinging it anymore...still he was bowling wider of the crease. He should bowl closer to the stumps when the ball is not doing anything.

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Looked pretty good for ayoungster. Well built and pacey. However I must add some of the batsmen played all around his deliveries. Lets hope he doesnt waste away in domestic.
 
Looks like he has leapfrogged a few in pecking order!Hope he is ready if called up as Adil was not!
 
I have been watching cricket for long enough and I have to say, I am very impressed with his speed, sheer aggression and swing. People are complaining and worried about his one way swing, well most left arm fast bowler developed inswingers later once they start playing and for Pakistani left arm fast bowler, we do not have to worry about his issue, we have genius Waseem, who could work on that secret weapon.

The most important thing, when our selectors will give chance to this talent? are we going to wait for Sohail Tanvir ( future captain) to develop more or wait for his retirement or we are ready to draft this kid?

PS: Credit to the person who made this thread when nobody knows about this kid.
 
HASHAM2's the man, yo. Good stuff. Hella interested in following this guy and Mir Hamza (that banana swing) from now on, they better be kept in the thick of things.
 
Arsh_afridi said:
He belongs to the Pak Afghan boarder area, Shinwaris are spread on both sides of boarder and can easily get Afghanistan's nationality, if doesn't get a chance here he has another option ;)
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What do you mean he can get Afghan nationality if he want to? If he is from Afghanistan then let him play for Afghan team, dont want Afghan fans crying over him. We need strong Afghanistan cricket team for epic Pak-Afghan matches. :junaid
 
Mamoon_ said:
I didn't check the speedgun. I was asked how he looked and I told him as I saw.

He didn't look particulary quick to me but if he really bowled at over 140 and swung the ball at that pace than this guy is indeed a special talent.
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since his debut they has mainly been hyped up for his pace saw him bowling with Rahat Ali in Ramazan 20-20 ans was outpacing him at that time and Rahat is a consistent 140 kmph bowler also was the fastest on display in the final which had Bilawal playing and we all saw Bilawal speeds in SA. I think he is already 140-145 but he is so raw that you never know with proper coaching he can crank it up to 150 kmph, best pace talent in Pakistan at the moment imo after Aamer.
 
endymion248 said:
Deadly to lefties for sure.

You can see the similarity with Wahab Riaz.
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The difference is this guy is very raw that if properly mentored he can be moulded in to anything. With proper coaching i believe this is our next bowling great however if we leave him on his own for couple of years he will end up as a fringe domestic cricketer. We destroyed Irfan Fazil in the early 2000's like this.
 
why not try him vs AFG on Sunday but PCB and proactive approach are opposite poles
 
HASHAM2 said:
i hate Wahab Wrist Position

from What i seen
This Guy Bowls like Dirk Nannes

Same Pace but maybe he swing more than Nannes

Zia ul haq is also Another Bowler why swing 1 way :(

Mir Hamza is Complate Package which Swing both way i seen his Video few days ago my Word Inswing was Awsome

high hope from those 3 Pacers
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Dear i have seen video of Mir Hamza he is too slow to be effective even at first class level. for swing bowling u need a speed of 135 at least. For seam movement if u are around 130 u can be effective like Asif was. If u watched the final match Niazi swung the ball both ways but way too slow to be effective and Sharjeel handled him with ease.

with Usman's action it will be v difficult to swing the ball back to right handers. if he even manages to straighten the ball he will be deadly. even Junaid cant swing ball into RH regularly. Initially a bowler has one swing and as time passes on he can work on other as well. Even Wasim said that he learned to swing both ways when he was around 22-23.

Amir though was a special special talent. Wasim said that Amir can do things at 19 what he started to do at 23.
 
What a spell it was! Fantastic bowler I will say. Saw him in Ramadan Tournaments as well. Wasn't lethal at that time. Conditions aiding him. But he is rated highly due to his pace and wild swing. His control is not at all good. It's very difficult to maintain your line and length with this kind of swing. He should work on it and also how to bring in to the right handers.
 
saw him a couple of days and was very impressed, guy looks a brilliant prospect.

yesterday was just incredible, pure swing and pace.
 
He can swing the new ball and he won't lose that skill regardless of the format/level he plays. Therefore, yes he's an excellent prospect.
 
Havoc said:
HASHAM2's the man, yo. Good stuff. Hella interested in following this guy and Mir Hamza (that banana swing) from now on, they better be kept in the thick of things.
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iam The one Why Created Usman Khan,Salman Saeed,Irfan Shah Thread,s (and Blv me those 3 Pacers are very Talented)
 
sunnykhan said:
What a spell it was! Fantastic bowler I will say. Saw him in Ramadan Tournaments as well. Wasn't lethal at that time. Conditions aiding him. But he is rated highly due to his pace and wild swing. His control is not at all good. It's very difficult to maintain your line and length with this kind of swing. He should work on it and also how to bring in to the right handers.
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No need to work on it... "Work on it" according to most local bowling coaches mean that changing bit of action, making him reduce swing to get control over it (i.e. disciplined bowling)...

Instead he should be encouraged to swing more n more with maximum pace, without taking care of line/length. Thats how great Wasim & Waqar were taught by Imran Khan...
 
O cmon. He at present being an out swing bowler due to his action, has to improve a lot to be selected for national team. Long way to go. At present he is just OK. I think talha should play the odi/tests against SL.
 
Last time I checked Steyn was just purely an outswing bowler? This guy looks like he has more pace than Steyn and also can bowl yorkers at will. With the amount of outswing this guy gets, he should have come around the wicket against the right handers, that would have done some serious damage
 
Bringing the ball back is a great tool but not essential.

Look at Steyn, can't bowl an inswinger even if his life depends on it, but that hasn't hampered him.
 
HASHAM2 said:
iam The one Why Created Usman Khan,Salman Saeed,Irfan Shah Thread,s (and Blv me those 3 Pacers are very Talented)
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Yep, solid work buddy. Sounds interesting, haven't even seen the other two yet, first time hearing their names.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Bringing the ball back is a great tool but not essential.

Look at Steyn, can't bowl an inswinger even if his life depends on it, but that hasn't hampered him.
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Lol, the digs continue. XD

Nice spell in the final.

Haven't seen much else.
 
Myrmidon said:
Shan Masood Yousafzai
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I knew he had Pashtun origins but looks like future Pakistan XI will be a duel between Afridis and Yousafzais. :yk

mithun_minhas said:
Isn't there a Senwari guy in Afghan team too?
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I think Shinwaris in majority live in the Khyber Agency (:afridi from there) which borders Afghanistan, so basically you'll find tons of Shinwaris (like other tribes) on both sides.

And yes, Samiullah Shinwari that is

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Bewal Express said:
I watched some of the spell and he looks a decent talent-more in the mould of Wahab rather than Amir. Moves the ball away from right handers and with that action, thats all he will be able to do. He bowled at good pace-over 140.
Rather than spending time on learning to bowl inswing, which he wont be able to do with that action, he should work on bowling around the wicket to right handers and angling the ball in and then cutting it away at a decent lick.
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very good post. I dont see any inswing from him so its better for him to go with your suggestion.
 
akheR said:
I knew he had Pashtun origins but looks like future Pakistan XI will be a duel between Afridis and Yousafzais. :yk



I think Shinwaris in majority live in the Khyber Agency (:afridi from there) which borders Afghanistan, so basically you'll find tons of Shinwaris (like other tribes) on both sides.

And yes, Samiullah Shinwari that is

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Not afridis, yousufzais have had duels with khattaks.
On a serious note, that Rifatullah Mohmand almost made it to the Afghanistan squad.
 
Too much hyped up , he is just Ok and had a good day in the office. The swing was not late , though it swung a lot but not late.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Too much hyped up , he is just Ok and had a good day in the office. The swing was not late , though it swung a lot but not late.
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This! It was his good day. He looks like a good prospect but he hasn't sorted out his line and length yet. Haven't pick many wickets in the ongoing President Trophy either.
 
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cricwiz said:
No need to work on it... "Work on it" according to most local bowling coaches mean that changing bit of action, making him reduce swing to get control over it (i.e. disciplined bowling)...

Instead he should be encouraged to swing more n more with maximum pace, without taking care of line/length. Thats how great Wasim & Waqar were taught by Imran Khan...
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He will be rubbish if he doesn't take care of his line length. He swings the ball in one direction. Wasim and Waqar did it both ways.
 
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Sunny@ This guy is not Test Class Fast bowler

Said that on Post number 125 Before he did 5/9 Performance

but can be Great odi/T-20 Class Bowler even with 1 way Swing
 
HASHAM2 said:
Sunny@ This guy is not Test Class Fast bowler

Said that on Post number 125 Before he did 5/9 Performance

but can be Great odi/T-20 Class Bowler even with 1 way Swing
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Why is he not test class?

Bowlers can make improvements very quickly. This guy looks like a quick learner

Needs to sort his run up out though and get more steady at the wicket
 
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