[VIDEO]"Fitness trainer was told by Mickey Arthur and Babar Azam to stop checking fitness levels of players": Mohammad Hafeez

How can a pitch be luck. Its the same for both sides.

If you want to talk about luck and dropped catches your beloved india had all the luck in the 2011 semi WC when Ten was dropped 4 times and was Plumb LBW to Ajmal.

Even in the WC just gone india selected venues that favoured swing bowling while others played on flat tracks.

Ten also had luck in the 2003 WC when he was dropped by Razzaq of Akram.
India had some luck in 2011, but that Indian team was very strong and would have won a World Cup hosted in India 9/10 times. Therefore, it wasn’t a fluke.

Every team that wins a tournament needs a slice of luck. Even Australia in 2003 needed a bit of luck.

But Pakistan winning the CT in 2017 or WI in 2004 was a fluke because you could rerun the tournament and those teams wouldn’t prevail 99/100 times. It just that for 3-4 games the stars aligned for them.
 
What 5 ODI s were these when india refuse to play bilaterals.

The last time I remember Pakistan going to india was for a 3 match ODIs series was when junaid khan had kohli on toast and Pakistan won 2-1 and it should of been a 3 nil whitewash.

Pull up the scorecard of the alleged 5 match ODIs between 2017 - 2019 your referring to.

India are no Real Madrid. Australia yes.
The delusionals are strong.

Here are the five matches that I am talking about (2017-2019):

1. CT 2017 group game - India won
2. CT final - Pakistan won
3. Asia Cup 2018 match 1: India won
4. Asia Cup 2018 match 2: India won
5. WC 2019 - India won

5 matches, India won 4 times. 99% of the players on both sides were the same. Therefore, it clearly showed that the CT final was a fluke result.

That Indian team would batter that Pakistan team 99% of the time.

As far as the 2012-13 series is concerned, Pakistan caught India at the right time just like England did in the Test series when they won 2-1 in India.

Right time because in 2012-13, India were in a transition period. Their mainstays like Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar were done and the rest of the batting order was all over the place and they had really weak bowling with several new bowling coming through.

India were extremely reliant on Kohli and Dhoni in that period and Kohli struggled in that series but what is the point of bragging about if when Kohli has gone on to have a billion times better career than Junaid and no Pakistani batsman in history is worthy of lacing his boots.

No bilateral cricket between Pakistan and India since 2013 is the best thing that has happened to Pakistan cricket. It has been a blessing in disguise and Indian government/BCCI have done a huge favor on Pakistan cricket although obviously that wasn’t their intention.

Pakistan getting ruthlessly smashed home and away across formats by India year in year out would have almost killed Pakistan cricket.
 
Hafeez makes a shocking revelation every now since he was stripped of his post of director.

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Mohammad Hafeez during a show said:

“When we went to Australia, I told the players to take care of their fitness levels. I also asked the trainer about the fitness of the players. He told me a shocking thing that, six months ago Team director, head coach, and captain told me to stop checking the players on the fitness parameters and let them play the way they want."

"When the fat levels of the players were checked after 6 months, the skin fold of all of them was 1.5 times higher than the standard. They were unfit and some of them couldn’t complete a 2 KM trial. It was shocking to me. The decision taken 6 months back overruled the set criteria for fitness. You will suffer defeats if the fitness is like that,”
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I don't know the truth but the fitness level for Pakistani team was poor in World Cup 2023. Specially when you compare it to the years before.
 
The delusionals are strong.

Here are the five matches that I am talking about (2017-2019):

1. CT 2017 group game - India won
2. CT final - Pakistan won
3. Asia Cup 2018 match 1: India won
4. Asia Cup 2018 match 2: India won
5. WC 2019 - India won

5 matches, India won 4 times. 99% of the players on both sides were the same. Therefore, it clearly showed that the CT final was a fluke result.

That Indian team would batter that Pakistan team 99% of the time.

As far as the 2012-13 series is concerned, Pakistan caught India at the right time just like England did in the Test series when they won 2-1 in India.

Right time because in 2012-13, India were in a transition period. Their mainstays like Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar were done and the rest of the batting order was all over the place and they had really weak bowling with several new bowling coming through.

India were extremely reliant on Kohli and Dhoni in that period and Kohli struggled in that series but what is the point of bragging about if when Kohli has gone on to have a billion times better career than Junaid and no Pakistani batsman in history is worthy of lacing his boots.

No bilateral cricket between Pakistan and India since 2013 is the best thing that has happened to Pakistan cricket. It has been a blessing in disguise and Indian government/BCCI have done a huge favor on Pakistan cricket although obviously that wasn’t their intention.

Pakistan getting ruthlessly smashed home and away across formats by India year in year out would have almost killed Pakistan cricket.
You can write a million words, but if you really think Pak team of CT 2017 is a relegation side/ a poor cricket team, I am sorry but then you got no cricket knowledge. Based on the form and time during their careers, that was one of the best white ball teams Pak ever produced. I know it hurts, but I guess after like what 6 years you should be over it. even tough Pak absolutely smashed both of your teams 1st England and 2nd India.
 
I don't know the truth but the fitness level for Pakistani team was poor in World Cup 2023. Specially when you compare it to the years before.
Of course its true, that is quite obvious by just looking at the players. Babar himself is a skinny fellow, but carries a tummy. In no ways he looks like an athlete. Posting a 10 sec clip on social media in the gym, works with the Pak public I guess.
 
You can write a million words, but if you really think Pak team of CT 2017 is a relegation side/ a poor cricket team, I am sorry but then you got no cricket knowledge. Based on the form and time during their careers, that was one of the best white ball teams Pak ever produced. I know it hurts, but I guess after like what 6 years you should be over it. even tough Pak absolutely smashed both of your teams 1st England and 2nd India.
I don’t need certifications from deluded fans who think that the CT 2017 Pakistan team was one of the best white ball teams Pakistan ever produced.

Firstly, if you are strictly talking about the CT only and not what happened before and after the tournament, then you need to understand that you cannot be one of the best white ball teams ever based on 3-4 games.

Secondly, if it is not strictly about the CT only, then I have further bad news for you because Pakistan entered the CT as an 8th ranked team. Please explain & justify how an 8th ranked can be one of the best in history.

Furthermore, after the CT, the same set of players went to New Zealand in January 2018 and got humiliated 5-0.

Between Jan 2018 and July 2019, they lost 32 out of 40 ODIs including an 8 match losing streak.

It is a joke to call such a poorly performing team one of the best ever.
 
The delusionals are strong.

Here are the five matches that I am talking about (2017-2019):

1. CT 2017 group game - India won
2. CT final - Pakistan won
3. Asia Cup 2018 match 1: India won
4. Asia Cup 2018 match 2: India won
5. WC 2019 - India won

5 matches, India won 4 times. 99% of the players on both sides were the same. Therefore, it clearly showed that the CT final was a fluke result.

That Indian team would batter that Pakistan team 99% of the time.

As far as the 2012-13 series is concerned, Pakistan caught India at the right time just like England did in the Test series when they won 2-1 in India.

Right time because in 2012-13, India were in a transition period. Their mainstays like Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar were done and the rest of the batting order was all over the place and they had really weak bowling with several new bowling coming through.

India were extremely reliant on Kohli and Dhoni in that period and Kohli struggled in that series but what is the point of bragging about if when Kohli has gone on to have a billion times better career than Junaid and no Pakistani batsman in history is worthy of lacing his boots.

No bilateral cricket between Pakistan and India since 2013 is the best thing that has happened to Pakistan cricket. It has been a blessing in disguise and Indian government/BCCI have done a huge favor on Pakistan cricket although obviously that wasn’t their intention.

Pakistan getting ruthlessly smashed home and away across formats by India year in year out would have almost killed Pakistan cricket.
Your logic is expectedly illogical and predictable.

How you correlate matches in different tournaments over a span 3 years and come to a conclusion that the CT 17 final was a fluke is beyond laughable.

Pakistan were the team in transition with the likes of Babar, Asif ali, Shadab, Hassan Ali, Shaheen etc were new to the set up in that period and Fakhar made his Debut in CT17 in the semi s I believe.

The indians had a seasoned established line up with the likes of sharma, dhawan, kohli, dhoni etc. so I dant know what planet your on.

Your only objective was trying to make the indian performance look better.

You know the overall stat head to head so I don't need to divulge any further.

The reason the indian board refused and refuse to play Pakistan is that by playing regularly the players get use to one other and the element of surprise isn't there.

I don't know where your delusion is coming from with your certainty of conveying an indian victory on Pakistani soil when Pakistan have been more successful in india than the other way round.
 
India had some luck in 2011, but that Indian team was very strong and would have won a World Cup hosted in India 9/10 times. Therefore, it wasn’t a fluke.

Every team that wins a tournament needs a slice of luck. Even Australia in 2003 needed a bit of luck.

But Pakistan winning the CT in 2017 or WI in 2004 was a fluke because you could rerun the tournament and those teams wouldn’t prevail 99/100 times. It just that for 3-4 games the stars aligned for them.
This infatuation of calling none exist realities a reality is one of your specialities.

You expect people to take you seriously Because you say india would win 99 out of a hundred on home soil with your opinion but if another poster states actual facts that they think Pakistan had a good side and won a trophy that should be dismissed.

Having luck and cheating with technology are two different things which is what happened with the Ajmal LBW.

Its funny how a lot of the Sri lankan players got a whole lot richer after that 2011 WC final.

Frankly speaking if it helps you sleep at night that your team lost CT17 due to a fluke its all good.

Reality states a different story of one team comprehensively out playing the other.
 
I don’t need certifications from deluded fans who think that the CT 2017 Pakistan team was one of the best white ball teams Pakistan ever produced.

Firstly, if you are strictly talking about the CT only and not what happened before and after the tournament, then you need to understand that you cannot be one of the best white ball teams ever based on 3-4 games.

Secondly, if it is not strictly about the CT only, then I have further bad news for you because Pakistan entered the CT as an 8th ranked team. Please explain & justify how an 8th ranked can be one of the best in history.

Furthermore, after the CT, the same set of players went to New Zealand in January 2018 and got humiliated 5-0.

Between Jan 2018 and July 2019, they lost 32 out of 40 ODIs including an 8 match losing streak.

It is a joke to call such a poorly performing team one of the best ever.
THe one deluded are you, since that trashing in the SF and final. I asked if that 2017 Pak side is comparable to relegation side, dont bring that ranking excuse. I am talking about the players who won the CT.
 
Because fitness of Babar himself is now becoming a question mark so he better stops them to check it.
 
THe one deluded are you, since that trashing in the SF and final. I asked if that 2017 Pak side is comparable to relegation side, dont bring that ranking excuse. I am talking about the players who won the CT.
Yes the 2017 Pakistan side was comparable to a relegation side. It is just that everything went their way in 3 consecutive games.

Them winning the tournament was a complete miracle because they were one of the weakest teams around.
 
Your logic is expectedly illogical and predictable.

How you correlate matches in different tournaments over a span 3 years and come to a conclusion that the CT 17 final was a fluke is beyond laughable.
This is exactly why the CT was a fluke. That team lost 32 out of 40 ODIs after the CT and was ranked 8th before the CT.

It was a poor team that had everything going their way in three consecutive games which enabled them to lift the trophy. It was clearly a fluke.

If it wasn’t a fluke and they were worthy champions, they would have proved that with their dominance after the CT.
Pakistan were the team in transition with the likes of Babar, Asif ali, Shadab, Hassan Ali, Shaheen etc were new to the set up in that period and Fakhar made his Debut in CT17 in the semi s I believe.
When has Pakistan not been in transition? Pakistan has been rubbish since 2003 because once PCB moved on from the 90s generation, Pakistan has consistently struggled to put together a world class side which means they are always chopping and changing.

Pakistan is not good enough to have a settled side.

The indians had a seasoned established line up with the likes of sharma, dhawan, kohli, dhoni etc. so I dant know what planet your on.
Yes they had a settled team. A really good team who pounded Pakistan 4 out of the 5 times that they faced each other. Unfortunately for them, they had a collective disaster in the CT final but we have seen this in sport before and after.

A vastly superior team can lose to a vastly inferior team on a given day. It was a fluke result.
Your only objective was trying to make the indian performance look better.
My only objective is to explain why the CT win was a fluke result and why it is absurd to claim that that Pakistan side is one of the best white ball teams in Pakistan history.

Granted that Pakistan has a mediocre history, but even for Pakistan’s mediocre history, that team has absolutely no merit in terms of being ranked as one of Pakistan’s best ever sides.

It is like saying that the 2004 West Indies team was one of West Indies best ever ODI teams.
You know the overall stat head to head so I don't need to divulge any further.
I do, and I am sure you also know the head to head record in World Cups. Even the infamous Law of Averages is helpless against Pakistan’s lack of skill and talent vs India in World Cups.

As far has head to head is concerned, it means absolutely nothing because it is based on historic results. Pakistan were a better bilateral ODI team than India for most of its history and therefore, they achieved a positive head to head record.

However, that head to head record holds no value today because India is now a far stronger team than Pakistan.

Fans with a gloomy present and a dark future take pride in historic head to heads stats because they have nothing to look forward to and seek solace in nostalgic achievements and performances.

Even today, the West Indies enjoy a positive head to head record against most teams thanks to their dominance in the 70s and 80s, but it means nothing because they are crap today and couldn’t even qualify for the World Cup.

The reason the indian board refused and refuse to play Pakistan is that by playing regularly the players get use to one other and the element of surprise isn't there.
Firstly, it is not BCCI’s decision to not play Pakistan in bilateral cricket. It is the decision of the Indian government. Nevertheless, even if we debate the intricacies of who is taking the shots in terms of not playing Pakistan, the reason however is very clear.

The reason why India, government or board or both, doesn’t play Pakistan is because they don’t want Pakistan to make any money directly out of engagement with India.

PCB, and by extension Pakistan government, will generate billions of revenue through bilateral cricket with India. The lack of bilateral cricket between the two countries has incurred massive losses for Pakistan.

Is India also losing money by not playing Pakistan? Yes of course, but BCCI is already very rich and missing out on a few additional billions is a small price to play for causing severe financial damage to PCB.

Lack of bilateral cricket between the two countries hurts PCB financially much more than it hurts BCCI.

It has nothing to do with surprise factor. It is what our fans like to tell themselves to make themselves feel better.

There is no surprise element for either India or Pakistan. The Indian players have much more talent, skill and mentality than their Pakistani counterparts and they can play each other every single day and India would prevail 99% of the time with the odd upset every now and then.
I don't know where your delusion is coming from with your certainty of conveying an indian victory on Pakistani soil when Pakistan have been more successful in india than the other way round.
Again, historic head to head has zero relevance. Pakistan won plenty in India when they were stronger than India but today, India would wreck Pakistan in all formats home and away and also on neutral soil.
 
This infatuation of calling none exist realities a reality is one of your specialities.

You expect people to take you seriously Because you say india would win 99 out of a hundred on home soil with your opinion but if another poster states actual facts that they think Pakistan had a good side and won a trophy that should be dismissed.
If the 2017 CT team was a good one they would have showed that in the couple of years after the CT. The only thing they showed was that the CT was one of the biggest flukes ever.
Having luck and cheating with technology are two different things which is what happened with the Ajmal LBW.
Please provide evidence that the technology was tampered with. Crying and sour grapes are not evidence. Such instances have happened and still happen with Hawkeye. It has also benefited Pakistan numerous times, but no, since it happened in a Pakistan vs India match and Pakistan was on the receiving end, it must be cheating.

Do you remember M. Erasmus in the World Cup game in October? He refused to give a single Pakistani batsman out and had multiple reviews overturned. Was he on PCB’s payroll?
Its funny how a lot of the Sri lankan players got a whole lot richer after that 2011 WC final.
It’s funny how bitter you are. Please show evidence of how rich they got. I want you to show me screenshots of the bank statements of the Sri Lankan players before and after the final.

Sri Lanka were not stronger than India. They played out of their skins to post a massive total for a final and had India reeling early, but India produced a phenomenal run chase under pressure and deserved to win the World Cup. There is no need to moan about.

Who asked Pakistan to not beat India in the semifinal? In spite of the dropped catches and the DRS “cheating”, the target was a manageable one but Pakistan bottled it.
Frankly speaking if it helps you sleep at night that your team lost CT17 due to a fluke it’s all good. Reality states a different story of one team comprehensively out playing the other.
The reality is India has left Pakistan in its dust and they are not even comparable anymore. Compare the achievements of Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket in this millennium and every single Pakistani fan would trade places with India in a heartbeat.
 
This is exactly why the CT was a fluke. That team lost 32 out of 40 ODIs after the CT and was ranked 8th before the CT.

It was a poor team that had everything going their way in three consecutive games which enabled them to lift the trophy. It was clearly a fluke.

If it wasn’t a fluke and they were worthy champions, they would have proved that with their dominance after the CT.

When has Pakistan not been in transition? Pakistan has been rubbish since 2003 because once PCB moved on from the 90s generation, Pakistan has consistently struggled to put together a world class side which means they are always chopping and changing.

Pakistan is not good enough to have a settled side.


Yes they had a settled team. A really good team who pounded Pakistan 4 out of the 5 times that they faced each other. Unfortunately for them, they had a collective disaster in the CT final but we have seen this in sport before and after.

A vastly superior team can lose to a vastly inferior team on a given day. It was a fluke result.

My only objective is to explain why the CT win was a fluke result and why it is absurd to claim that that Pakistan side is one of the best white ball teams in Pakistan history.

Granted that Pakistan has a mediocre history, but even for Pakistan’s mediocre history, that team has absolutely no merit in terms of being ranked as one of Pakistan’s best ever sides.

It is like saying that the 2004 West Indies team was one of West Indies best ever ODI teams.

I do, and I am sure you also know the head to head record in World Cups. Even the infamous Law of Averages is helpless against Pakistan’s lack of skill and talent vs India in World Cups.

As far has head to head is concerned, it means absolutely nothing because it is based on historic results. Pakistan were a better bilateral ODI team than India for most of its history and therefore, they achieved a positive head to head record.

However, that head to head record holds no value today because India is now a far stronger team than Pakistan.

Fans with a gloomy present and a dark future take pride in historic head to heads stats because they have nothing to look forward to and seek solace in nostalgic achievements and performances.

Even today, the West Indies enjoy a positive head to head record against most teams thanks to their dominance in the 70s and 80s, but it means nothing because they are crap today and couldn’t even qualify for the World Cup.


Firstly, it is not BCCI’s decision to not play Pakistan in bilateral cricket. It is the decision of the Indian government. Nevertheless, even if we debate the intricacies of who is taking the shots in terms of not playing Pakistan, the reason however is very clear.

The reason why India, government or board or both, doesn’t play Pakistan is because they don’t want Pakistan to make any money directly out of engagement with India.

PCB, and by extension Pakistan government, will generate billions of revenue through bilateral cricket with India. The lack of bilateral cricket between the two countries has incurred massive losses for Pakistan.

Is India also losing money by not playing Pakistan? Yes of course, but BCCI is already very rich and missing out on a few additional billions is a small price to play for causing severe financial damage to PCB.

Lack of bilateral cricket between the two countries hurts PCB financially much more than it hurts BCCI.

It has nothing to do with surprise factor. It is what our fans like to tell themselves to make themselves feel better.

There is no surprise element for either India or Pakistan. The Indian players have much more talent, skill and mentality than their Pakistani counterparts and they can play each other every single day and India would prevail 99% of the time with the odd upset every now and then.

Again, historic head to head has zero relevance. Pakistan won plenty in India when they were stronger than India but today, India would wreck Pakistan in all formats home and away and also on neutral soil.
I know the indian government "officially" decide if their team plays Pakistan but we all know the indian board is effectively the extension of the same arm so lets not waste time as you say.

Secondly your correct in saying that the indian board wants to damage Pakistan cricket through financials however firstly it shows and exposes the true face and character of the indians who have internal hate for Pakistanis and a hindu supremacy mind set and the character of the Pakistani people.
To the point where elections campaigns are held and parties win solely on their hate towards Pakistan.

we never see such election campaigns in Pakistan where indian hate is the result of a Pakistani election win ever.

We all know that the Real reason the indian board/govt refuse to play Pakistan is because of the current hindu supremacist parties hate towards Muslims whether in india or Pakistan so lets cut out the BS.

If they were truly patriotic for their course I'm sure they could "persuade" the ICC to cut out the few billions they "don't need" that it makes during ICC events.

harbhajan singh agrees as well that if they don't want to play Pakistan then don't play at all but we know that the indian boards love and greed for the $$$$$$$ supersedes that at these events.


This underlines why the game is so corrupt and why politics and sports mix and highlights why the "Governing body" for world cricket is so weak and pathetic that the game is dictated to by a few which in itself is bringing the game into disrepute.

Example: indian board applying pressure on the ICC to remove tournaments like the 2025 CT from Pakistan. world cups etc.

These sorts of incidents wouldn't occur if the game wasn't corrupt.

This would never happen in football for example

personally I couldn't care less that we don't play bilaterals with india and with regards to the PCB they have the financial means but due to the hundreds of "admin staff" on the payroll getting paid for no reason other than political ties as well not maximising revenue through digital and other streaming platforms we are not bringing in the money we should.

A competent PCB would be a rich cricket board.

The 99 out of a 100 is what indian fans like you say to satisfy their ego s and delusions of being this great team that they are not.

When we strip all of the hype and this being indias best ever players /team how many trophies are in the cabinet to show for it?
 
We all know that the Real reason the indian board/govt refuse to play Pakistan is because of the current hindu supremacist parties hate towards Muslims whether in india or Pakistan so lets cut out the BS.
We play against bangladesh and afg a lot and the last time I checked they were both Muslim countries. and it was the congress govt who stopped our cricketing ties with pak back in 2009.
To the point where elections campaigns are held and parties win solely on their hate towards Pakistan.
Nope, I know it feels nice to considered imp but you just arent relevent like that. Pakistan is not even a top 5 issue in Indian elections, a few statements here and there by the firebrand leaders don't men much in the grand context.

and its funny Modi has never tweeted about Pakistan while IK used to mention India in his tweets all the time
 
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Yes the 2017 Pakistan side was comparable to a relegation side. It is just that everything went their way in 3 consecutive games.

Them winning the tournament was a complete miracle because they were one of the weakest teams around.
It amazes me that you cant accept or admit to the fact that a line up of which fielded some really/fantastic players (PAK 11) was a very good ODI unit. Who cares about the countless JAMODIs after the CT. Its also about peaking at the right time. You tell me the PACE attack of Amir, Hasan and Junaid, again in that PARTICULAR tournament wasn't one of the best? Amir in the final was cracking it up to 90mph. Fakhar was hitting all the bowlers around. By calling it a fluke you clearly cant accept that for that PERIOD of time in those games Pak was by far the best team. Ask it to the players, even Yuvraj Singh has admitted that the PAK 11 in the CT were absolute a unit and very fit.
 
It amazes me that you cant accept or admit to the fact that a line up of which fielded some really/fantastic players (PAK 11) was a very good ODI unit. Who cares about the countless JAMODIs after the CT. Its also about peaking at the right time. You tell me the PACE attack of Amir, Hasan and Junaid, again in that PARTICULAR tournament wasn't one of the best? Amir in the final was cracking it up to 90mph. Fakhar was hitting all the bowlers around. By calling it a fluke you clearly cant accept that for that PERIOD of time in those games Pak was by far the best team. Ask it to the players, even Yuvraj Singh has admitted that the PAK 11 in the CT were absolute a unit and very fit.
That team was also humiliated in the 2018 Asia Cup and failed in the 2019 World Cup. It is laughable that you think that that Pakistan team was very strong and had fantastic players.

It was a mediocre team for whom everything clicked in 2-3 consecutive games. That is it.
 
If the 2017 CT team was a good one they would have showed that in the couple of years after the CT. The only thing they showed was that the CT was one of the biggest flukes ever.

Please provide evidence that the technology was tampered with. Crying and sour grapes are not evidence. Such instances have happened and still happen with Hawkeye. It has also benefited Pakistan numerous times, but no, since it happened in a Pakistan vs India match and Pakistan was on the receiving end, it must be cheating.

Do you remember M. Erasmus in the World Cup game in October? He refused to give a single Pakistani batsman out and had multiple reviews overturned. Was he on PCB’s payroll?

It’s funny how bitter you are. Please show evidence of how rich they got. I want you to show me screenshots of the bank statements of the Sri Lankan players before and after the final.

Sri Lanka were not stronger than India. They played out of their skins to post a massive total for a final and had India reeling early, but India produced a phenomenal run chase under pressure and deserved to win the World Cup. There is no need to moan about.

Who asked Pakistan to not beat India in the semifinal? In spite of the dropped catches and the DRS “cheating”, the target was a manageable one but Pakistan bottled it.

The reality is India has left Pakistan in its dust and they are not even comparable anymore. Compare the achievements of Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket in this millennium and every single Pakistani fan would trade places with India in a heartbeat.
The only one crying, whinging and whining about your precious team loosing CT17 is you calling it a fluke and 99 out of a 100 and other nonsense.

That was reality that actually happened not some make belief story you've concocted in your head.

As I said earlier you can moan and call it what you want but your team lost and that is the end of that story that chapter is well and truly closed.

The only bottle jobs/chokers are your team how many finals have your best ever precious team bottled???.

If the LBW went against your team and they lost you wouldn't of said they still should of won you would of said that is the reason for the loss.

Ranatunga and many other sri lankans made statements regarding sri lankan players getting huge money in their accounts and houses etc surely you cant be that dim to expect bank statements would be published.

Everyone knows how the indian boards tactics of pressurising weaker financial nations and how the ICC do their dirty work and cover up.

In the early years of the ipl dhoni and raina were caught fixing with a bookie exposing it via a leaked video but that was quashed by their board and ICC to protect them.
 
Ranatunga and many other sri lankans made statements regarding sri lankan players getting huge money in their accounts and houses etc surely you cant be that dim to expect bank statements would be published.
Ya I am going to need actual proof of that other than ranatunga said or your tears lol, (look up what ian healy called ranatunga, fits him perfectly) :yk

Sri lanka lost 4 finals in a row and have a terrible record in India, the fact that they managed to compete in final was a massive achievement.

Pakistani fans and their strange conspiracy theories, not every player is like asif, amir and salim malik
 
If the 2017 CT team was a good one they would have showed that in the couple of years after the CT. The only thing they showed was that the CT was one of the biggest flukes ever.

Please provide evidence that the technology was tampered with. Crying and sour grapes are not evidence. Such instances have happened and still happen with Hawkeye. It has also benefited Pakistan numerous times, but no, since it happened in a Pakistan vs India match and Pakistan was on the receiving end, it must be cheating.

Do you remember M. Erasmus in the World Cup game in October? He refused to give a single Pakistani batsman out and had multiple reviews overturned. Was he on PCB’s payroll?

It’s funny how bitter you are. Please show evidence of how rich they got. I want you to show me screenshots of the bank statements of the Sri Lankan players before and after the final.

Sri Lanka were not stronger than India. They played out of their skins to post a massive total for a final and had India reeling early, but India produced a phenomenal run chase under pressure and deserved to win the World Cup. There is no need to moan about.

Who asked Pakistan to not beat India in the semifinal? In spite of the dropped catches and the DRS “cheating”, the target was a manageable one but Pakistan bottled it.

The reality is India has left Pakistan in its dust and they are not even comparable anymore. Compare the achievements of Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket in this millennium and every single Pakistani fan would trade places with India in a heartbeat.
Former Sri Lanka skipper Arjuna Ranatunga on Friday demanded an investigation into the country’s 2011 World Cup final defeat by India amid allegations of match fixing.

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An IPS officer, who deposed before the Justice Mukul Mudgal committee, has spoken about a bookie who confessed to fixing the outcome of CSK-RR ..

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Former Sri Lanka skipper Arjuna Ranatunga on Friday demanded an investigation into the country’s 2011 World Cup final defeat by India amid allegations of match fixing.

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An IPS officer, who deposed before the Justice Mukul Mudgal committee, has spoken about a bookie who confessed to fixing the outcome of CSK-RR ..

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Money pays for cover ups.
Ranatunga demanding an investigation is proof that the 2011 World Cup Final was fixed?

A fixed IPL match is proof that the 2011 World Cup was Final was fixed?
 
The only one crying, whinging and whining about your precious team loosing CT17 is you calling it a fluke and 99 out of a 100 and other nonsense.

That was reality that actually happened not some make belief story you've concocted in your head.

As I said earlier you can moan and call it what you want but your team lost and that is the end of that story that chapter is well and truly closed.

The only bottle jobs/chokers are your team how many finals have your best ever precious team bottled???.

If the LBW went against your team and they lost you wouldn't of said they still should of won you would of said that is the reason for the loss.

Ranatunga and many other sri lankans made statements regarding sri lankan players getting huge money in their accounts and houses etc surely you cant be that dim to expect bank statements would be published.

Everyone knows how the indian boards tactics of pressurising weaker financial nations and how the ICC do their dirty work and cover up.

In the early years of the ipl dhoni and raina were caught fixing with a bookie exposing it via a leaked video but that was quashed by their board and ICC to protect them.
I ask again - please provide proof that the 2011 World Cup Final was fixed. Allegations and demanding investigation is not proof.

I can also make an allegation that the 1992 World Cup Final was fixed, or that the 2017 CT semifinal was fixed and ICC paid off England to lose because they wanted the cash cow India vs Pakistan Final.

Go ahead and prove me wrong.
 
If the 2017 CT team was a good one they would have showed that in the couple of years after the CT. The only thing they showed was that the CT was one of the biggest flukes ever.

Please provide evidence that the technology was tampered with. Crying and sour grapes are not evidence. Such instances have happened and still happen with Hawkeye. It has also benefited Pakistan numerous times, but no, since it happened in a Pakistan vs India match and Pakistan was on the receiving end, it must be cheating.

Do you remember M. Erasmus in the World Cup game in October? He refused to give a single Pakistani batsman out and had multiple reviews overturned. Was he on PCB’s payroll?

It’s funny how bitter you are. Please show evidence of how rich they got. I want you to show me screenshots of the bank statements of the Sri Lankan players before and after the final.

Sri Lanka were not stronger than India. They played out of their skins to post a massive total for a final and had India reeling early, but India produced a phenomenal run chase under pressure and deserved to win the World Cup. There is no need to moan about.

Who asked Pakistan to not beat India in the semifinal? In spite of the dropped catches and the DRS “cheating”, the target was a manageable one but Pakistan bottled it.

The reality is India has left Pakistan in its dust and they are not even comparable anymore. Compare the achievements of Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket in this millennium and every single Pakistani fan would trade places with India in a heartbeat

Ranatunga demanding an investigation is proof that the 2011 World Cup Final was fixed?

A fixed IPL match is proof that the 2011 World Cup was Final was fixed?
2 separate incidents obviously.

You stating non realities like 99 out of a 100 now that is absurd.
 
That team was also humiliated in the 2018 Asia Cup and failed in the 2019 World Cup. It is laughable that you think that that Pakistan team was very strong and had fantastic players.

It was a mediocre team for whom everything clicked in 2-3 consecutive games. That is it.
IF you really believe the CT winning team was mediocre, then there is not much to debate. For me that team had all basis covered, the pace attack with the batting combo was lethal. That they couldnt or didnt kick on after the CT is another debate.
 
2 separate incidents obviously.

You stating non realities like 99 out of a 100 now that is absurd.
I ask again - for the third time.

How is Ranatunga's allegations and demand for investigation proof that the 2011 final was fixed?

Everyone knows that Ranatunga is bitter about the fact that the Indian media, and the cricket world in general, took credit away from his team in the 1996 semifinal because of the match fixing scandal involving Azharuddin and a few other Indian players.
 
IF you really believe the CT winning team was mediocre, then there is not much to debate. For me that team had all basis covered, the pace attack with the batting combo was lethal. That they couldnt or didnt kick on after the CT is another debate.
It is not another debate. It is conclusive proof that that team was not good enough. All the players were in the prime of their careers. There is no excuse for them not kicking on.
 
I ask again - please provide proof that the 2011 World Cup Final was fixed. Allegations and demanding investigation is not proof.

I can also make an allegation that the 1992 World Cup Final was fixed, or that the 2017 CT semifinal was fixed and ICC paid off England to lose because they wanted the cash cow India vs Pakistan Final.

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

An ex player who was in the sri lankan cricket board or chairman holds weight.
 
It is not another debate. It is conclusive proof that that team was not good enough. All the players were in the prime of their careers. There is no excuse for them not kicking on.
There is indeed no excuse for not kicking on and actually become a better team that could dominate. The reason why it is a whole different debate does of course matter here. The environment / attitude is not there to work hard and improve. On talent alone you cant sustain a winning combo. Hard work is required. T20 leagues have done huge damage to Pak cricket and also a lack of desire from the players. Take Sarfaraz as an example after the CT win it seemed as if he thought he could play for the rest of his career for Pak without ever working on his fitness again. Slowly but surely T20 cricket has taken over the mindset of the players and even ODI cricket seems like a marathon to them. Babar Azam is a prime example of the rotten culture. Hyped to the moon by deluded fans and each and every time he gets exposed when it matters. He did have the potential to become a very good bat, but the lack of work ethic (I mean just look at his belly and overall physique) means he will always struggle vs actual bowlers.

Like I mentioned before, Yuvraj Singh who actually played against the PAK team in CT 17 mentioned how fit the PAK team was back then. You need to at least maintain that level, not regress.

Potential wise and you can ask any cricket pundit, those 11 guys in white ball cricket could beat any team.
 
Ya I am going to need actual proof of that other than ranatunga said or your tears lol, (look up what ian healy called ranatunga, fits him perfectly) :yk

Sri lanka lost 4 finals in a row and have a terrible record in India, the fact that they managed to compete in final was a massive achievement.

Pakistani fans and their strange conspiracy theories, not every player is like asif, amir and salim malik
You mean every player is player is not like jadeja, azharuddin etc.

The truth is money quashes the truth for a time but the truth always prevails in the end.

2011 WC will be exposed.

Your tears have been streaming when your teams been loosing against Aus and NZ in finals etc I know don't confuse yourself.

relax and let reality sink in.
 
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