[VIDEO] PM Imran minces no words at UN, calls out Modi govt for oppression of Kashmiris

[DRsohail]

Going by comments of Indian posters here and on social media looks like Khan has caused enough irritation across the border.

 

[pakistani pride]

Powerfull speech!

 

[PakLFC]

There is no comparison between IK and Modi. We have an international sports icon and Oxford graduate who has built a university and hospital too. They have a tea maker who can't put a meaningful sentence together. We are belittling IK by mentioning him in the same breath to terrorist like Modi who was banned in the USA before he became PM.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Imran Khan met UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres at UN Headquarters in New York.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMIKInUSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMIKInUSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA74?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA74</a> <a href="https://t.co/tzvc0KXIBn">pic.twitter.com/tzvc0KXIBn</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1177646065740341248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[troodon]

Going by comments of Indian posters here and on social media looks like Khan has caused enough irritation across the border.

Indians got irritated when a nobody like Rashid Latif made insensitive remarks on India.

Indians get riled up for everything.

 

[Syed1]

There is no comparison between IK and Modi. We have an international sports icon and Oxford graduate who has built a university and hospital too. They have a tea maker who can't put a meaningful sentence together. We are belittling IK by mentioning him in the same breath to terrorist like Modi who was banned in the USA before he became PM.

Indian STREANH


I hope there are no clouds on chaiwala's flight back to India, otherwise the radar won't work.

 

[DRsohail]

Indian STREANH


I hope there are no clouds on chaiwala's flight back to India, otherwise the radar won't work.

Epic, still no match for NS.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian STREANH


I hope there are no clouds on chaiwala's flight back to India, otherwise the radar won't work.

Atleast Japan and Germany are not neighbours.

 

[Swashbuckler]

If Tamils are a part of India, why did you say that Imran must keep Tamils out of Indo pak issues.

Read that post again, Indo-Pak one-upmanship.

If northern India is attacked, Tamils wont rise to fight?

#70

Our culture,our language,our religion,our rights all are protected only if the country is protected. Thats why nation takes precedence over anything else.

Constitution has to be protected, without that document there is no Republic of India. Country is well protected, but constitutional principles are under siege.

Can you tell me when did bjp initiate a war?

Warmongering, rhetoric, hate. Close to starting a war 6 months back but Imran acted like a mature adult.

Is terrorism in kashmir due to bjp?

No. But Indian governments over the years are also responsible for the state of the valley. BJP is creating terrorists in the valley at the moment. Endless cycle. Both India and Pakistan carry blame, let Pakistanis introspect, let us worry about India.

Did terror attacks in India start due to bjp?

Their ideology caused the first terror attack in Independent India. Godse murdering 'Father of the Nation' Gandhi.

What should bjp or any indian govt do in case of terror attacks? Should we not retaliate?

Diplomacy, better intelligence gathering and policing, anti-terror ops within our borders, finding root cause of the problem etc. Kashmir is disputed and there are historical issues which result in violent activities. Try to address that. Not by flying into another country and dropping missiles.

You talk of peace with Pakistan, does Pakistan want peace? Have they adhered to any of the agreements? No. Modi went to Lahore to start peace talks, he even allowed Pakistani investigators into Pathankot, then we got Uri. There can be no peace with pakistan, the best we can do is protect ourselves and retaliate if provoked.

Imran wants peace, he is the PM. Let us live in the present. Pakistanis may feel we are causing terror attacks in their country, eg that Jadhav arrest in Baluchistan. Works both ways, even India doesn't want peace especially this government. We refuse to play cricket with them, how low is that? Modi has always worked towards isolating Pakistan.

Hindutva? Was there any hindutva when Mumbai happened? Its pakistan's polucy to bleed India with a 1000 cuts. Was there peace with pakistan before Modi?

Let Pakistanis mend Pakistan. I am interested in India. Mumbai was done by non-state actors of Pakistan, there wasn't much peace before sure. Kashmir is a valid dispute, without that maybe there would have been peace. That is the root cause and India is doing injustice to Kashmiris. Anyway where are we heading?

RSS/BJP hate politics has consumed thousands of lives in India, who is going to talk about that. Hindutva has consumed more Indian lives than 26/11, agree?

Getting late, got to sleep. Bye and good night. Let this thread be exclusively about Imran's speech. You can open a new thread or tag me elsewhere, I will respond.

 

[Swashbuckler]

[MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION], Abhinandan Vardhaman is a Tamil.

So? He did his duty, he is an officer and has to follow orders. I have already made my points in #70.

 

[JaDed]

Tamils are part of India since 1947. Modern India is a new country, British gave us the current map. We have a contract (federalism and associated principles) with the Centre and we will honour it as long as our rights enshrined in the Constitution are protected. So you are wrong, Tamils are part of India. What some people don't get and probably never will is that we have our own language, culture, history and we intend to keep it close to our hearts, we take pride in that stuff. If that makes some people insecure because of inferiority complex, we can't help. Our Tamil identity is extremely important but doesn't mean we are unpatriotic.

In case of Indo-Pak war we are obliged to defend our motherland India. Tamil soldiers have died for the nation you know. But we wish that day never comes, we want to see peace with Pakistan and would want both Islamabad and New Delhi to behave with maturity. We can't lecture Pakistanis, but certainly we would want our Centre to rein in warmongering and take active steps towards peace. Difference between Congress and BJP is that the former didn't look to initiate aggression. BJP under the remote control of Nagpur actively seeks out war. Tamils won't sit out if a war happens but will go an extra mile to convince the national government that war is pointless especially for third world countries.

Tamils have no hate for Pakistanis, we hardly interact in our daily lives, we have had negligible historical and cultural contact with people from that area. Tamils don't subscribe to the Hindutva/RSS ideology and their communal hate politics, that is why BJP always gets embarrassed here. Long may this continue, hatred and fascism have no place in our society. Honestly more than Pakistanis, it is New Delhi that has actually tried to harm Tamils and our culture, exploit Tamils, deceive Tamils. Yet we are there, still patriotic because the 1947 contract also has positive stuff.

I have been following Imran's recent talks and he always blames 'Hindutva', not 'Hinduism' unlike our event manager. That is admirable, he has always spoken of peace and that is backed by action, unlike the case of our EM. Some Pakistani elements may have hatred towards India's existence but they aren't elected representatives like in our case. Pragya Thakur won a Lok Sabha seat in the Hindi belt, any equivalent case in Pakistan? Was India a talking point in their elections? How would you contrast that with BJP's rhetoric?

Your belief in their elected representatives to be similar to India is naive, In India its almost been impossible for Defense to stage a coup even during the 70s.

1998-2008 India had one of the most approachable governments in terms of peace with Pak and see what happen 99 backstabbing war, Masood ,Mumbai attacks.

Now in a different post you have said that their non state actors staged the 2008 Mumbai attack, I hope you are not that gullible to say The establishment meaning the army ofcourse didn’t have any idea about some people coming via sea? Really?

Imran has control over the narrative, and he has presented himself much better , I have massive dislike for BJP and Modi but in no circumstance would I believe Imran’s words 100%.

To give you an idea your way of thinking and system were implemented in 1978 , the GOI almost dismantled RAW and all the networks setup after 1962, and guess where that landed us.

Constitution should be protected and BJP should be dealt with and its sister ****** parties but lets not forget the past efforts of our govns and the result for the same, tbf To Bjp they tried multiple times even since Modi came to power, but I don’t doubt he is a war monger but i also don’t doubt that when Maoists get terrible armory how do Terrorists in Kashmir have managed such advanced weaponry and skills.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

What happened alone in the final minute was greater than the climax of any thriller movie

Agreed, that ending was incredible.

 

[Hitman]

What exactly was he thinking when he said Muslims in India would be radicalized seeing what is happening in Kashmir?

 

[Bewal Express]

What exactly was he thinking when he said Muslims in India would be radicalized seeing what is happening in Kashmir?

Firstly they came for.....

 

[Mamoon]

It was an excellent rhetoric-laden speech that was right up the alley of our emotional, delusional, gullible public and his cult-followers.

He pulled off the basic act - informed and educated the world on what is happening in Kashmir, how fascist Modi is and how he is a threat to humanity like Hitler. Furthermore, he put a gun to his head and warned the delegates that if there is a war, they will be responsible.

Unfortunately the problem remains - the world will not respond the way he and his cult-followers want them to. The world does not run on melodrama and sensationalism. India is a major player in the global market and has far bigger influence and importance than an irrelevant country like Pakistan with zero credibility will ever manage.

These speeches sell well and will be played a dozen times on social media with hashtags and slogans but the end will result will continue to be zero. However, all of this is proving to be a very convenient distraction for Imran and his cult-followers to drag attention away from the fact that the PTI government has been a spectacular failure.

 

[JaDed]

What exactly was he thinking when he said Muslims in India would be radicalized seeing what is happening in Kashmir?

Its called single dimensional thought process, I command him for that.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

This speech was like Pakistan's batting in the 92 semi-final. Solid opening overs, sleepy middle over, orgy of violence in the last 7 overs.

Haha, well said.

This was one of the most forthright, passionate speeches I've seen. As Wasim said in a tweet, it's like the first time Pakistan is being properly represented and able to communicate to the world our position.

I'm sure some will try to twist the speech into Pakistan threatening war or Imran encouraging Kashmiris to "pick up a gun".

It will be interesting to hear the Indian reply.

 

[kk1992]

It was an excellent rhetoric-laden speech that was right up the alley of our emotional, delusional, gullible public and his cult-followers.

He pulled off the basic act - informed and educated the world on what is happening in Kashmir, how fascist Modi is and how he is a threat to humanity like Hitler. Furthermore, he put a gun to his head and warned the delegates that if there is a war, they will be responsible.

Unfortunately the problem remains - the world will not respond the way he and his cult-followers want them to. The world does not run on melodrama and sensationalism. India is a major player in the global market and has far bigger influence and importance than an irrelevant country like Pakistan with zero credibility will ever manage.

These speeches sell well and will be played a dozen times on social media with hashtags and slogans but the end will result will continue to be zero. However, all of this is proving to be a very convenient distraction for Imran and his cult-followers to drag attention away from the fact that the PTI government has been a spectacular failure.

This guy wanted IK to attack Modi at the UN.

This platform was to give speech.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Word peace from Muslim Killer Modi's mouth disgusts.

Eagerly waiting for the day when India lifts curfew.

They can't kill each and every Kashmiri and their curfew is x-1 day after every 24 hours. What will they do after that?
Brave Kashmiris will never accept their fascist invasion.

Pakistan have not changed their stance towards Kashmir in 70 years and InshaAllah it will remain same until Kashmiris get their freedom. That's a fact.

Proud of you Imran Khan!

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

This guy wanted IK to attack Modi at the UN.

This platform was to give speech.

He got some serious issues with everything Pakistani. Don't ever take him serious.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Anticipation. Goosebumps. Authoritarian. Proud.

These are the four stages of Imran's speech today.

Anticipation

It is well documented that this was the most anticipated speech at this year's UN General Assembly. This speech was 5 weeks in the making specifically in limelight after India's actions in Kashmir. Therefore, the anticipation was massive both domestically and internationally.

I'm willing to admit that I was very skeptical of this speech / event because time and time again we come to our realization that once we pin our hopes onto an event then in most cases it disappoints. Thankfully this was not the case today. The bar to deliver was already very high and Imran to my surprise exceeded even this high expectation today. I will explain this in the later stages.

The point around anticipation that I want to stress upon is the fact repercussions it would have had should Imran had failed to deliver a strong message today. Let's begin by mentioning that India not only has an enormous print media but also social media. To add to this India easily has the largest troll community in the social media world. Had Imran failed today the media in India would have gone berserk over his failure and with such a massive reading populace the word would have spread fairly quickly across internationally about Imran's failure and it would have pushed India's narrative over Kashmir being the correct one. Further, domestically the opponents would have latched onto this failure like a magnet. They would have created a new narrative around this failure to bring down Imran and his government.

So overall to deliver on such a highly anticipated event was not only extraordinary but was quite necessary for Imran himself. And like '92 boy he did lead from the front this time too both literally and figuratively.


Goosebumps

When Imran touched on his first 3 problems to discuss at the assembly being; climate change, money laundering and islamophobia. His presentation of the factors to the Assembly could not have been more spot on. Literally, it might be for the first time the leaders of the Assembly would have had such a direct confrontation and education especially on money laundering and islamophobia.

His address on money laundering would ring serious bells domestically in Pakistan in near future. The opposition is getting weaker and weaker and by pushing the narrative of anti money laundering rules to be as strong and terror financing and drugs money on UN platform will surely make the corrupt leaders back home quiver. If Pakistan government can follow up on this speech and their lawmakers can get lawmakers from big economies crack down on money laundering and within a span of a year can come up with more stringent money laundering rules to help in asset recoveries then by all means he would then have wiped out domestic opponents comfortably. This act or potential law could help Imran sustain PTI government for many a years to come so ideally his legal team should definitely follow up and come up with a blueprint of their actions in here. Imran might have pulled off a master stroke here.

On islamophobia, we all knew what Imran's stance here was as he has been mentioning this for quite some time in both domestic and foreign interviews. However, his choice of words and delivery of his speech today on this topic was phenomenal. He articulately did put it across to the world the sufferings Pakistan has to endure over past couple of decades for a so called war on terror in which Pakistan was not even a direct party. He also put forward his argument on radical islam very articulately and rightly called out the western media for using this terminology and creating a fear of religion in the minds of western people. I personally feel grateful as a muslim that my viewpoint on this subject has been put forward to world leader in the way I would want it to be said. Imran together with Erdogan and Mahatir has already started working on repairing the image of Islam and disassociating the word radical from our religion for which I'm legit thankful to these leaders and I sincerely hope to see a shift in the way western people look at muslims down the years.


Authoritarian

This was Imran's approach today when he talked about Kashmir, RSS and Modi. It was like a teacher giving out a lecture with an attentive classroom at the start of this subject. I already knew, infact everyone knew that he would draw parallels of RSS with Hitler and Mussolini, which he did. I also knew to an extent he would bring up Gujrat of 2012 which he did. Also touching on India's refusal to bilaterally engage Pakistan while attempting to blacklist Pakistan in FATF. All this was done to create the background of the main issue that is Kashmir. Although this was a repetitive part but for those members of audience in hall or in front of screens who were not aware of it are now educated on it.

After creating the backdrop I liked how he explained the situation in Kashmir to audience making it explicitly clear that this act is inhumane and violations of human basic rights. Imran was very clear as how he saw Kashmir and how India were painting the picture of Kashmir which is inaccurate.

Then came the best part of his speech, the authoritative manner of his speech when he started talking about Pakistan's actions and started addressing UN directly with respect to Kashmir. It was evidently clear that his looks became more stern and his voice got more deeper and slightly louder when he started talking about Pakistan's actions should India do any foul play and especially when he was addressing the UN directly. Never would I have thought that any Pakistani leader could confront the UN Assembly itself in this manner and blatantly call them out where they have been wrong, not only that also reminded UN of the history and in a manner letting them know to learn from its own past mistakes. This is when from the teacher he literally became a leader and showed the direction to UN itself. No wonder, this was the most cheered part of his address and fitting high note to end his speech.


Proud

This is literally the feeling that sunk in immediately after he ended his speech and amidst the applause in the backdrop. Today, I can proudly say here we have a leader who is fit enough to lead us onto a progressive direction. A leader not through dynasty, a born leader with instincts and someone who is the voice of the people, Pakistani people. Imran is a Pakistani icon and we are truly blessed to have the right person leading our country. However he is human afterall, if we are to be successful each Pakistani should take it upon himself/herself to deliver in whatever field/industry they are in. Together we can succeed and certainly can succeed with leaders like him.

Thank you Imran.

 

[kk1992]

He got some serious issues with everything Pakistani. Don't ever take him serious.

These type of people are the life time cult member who would for their personal benefit stoop to any level.

Prior to this, it was a common complaint that Muslims (particularly Pakistani) do not know how to stand up for themselves and fight for their better future and rights.

Now we have a leader who is representing anddoing exactly what these self righteous ultra educated who believe they are better than rest of Pakistani cult members of corruption have always complaint while benefiting the most.

 

[Bewal Express]

Anticipation. Goosebumps. Authoritarian. Proud.

These are the four stages of Imran's speech today.

Anticipation

It is well documented that this was the most anticipated speech at this year's UN General Assembly. This speech was 5 weeks in the making specifically in limelight after India's actions in Kashmir. Therefore, the anticipation was massive both domestically and internationally.

I'm willing to admit that I was very skeptical of this speech / event because time and time again we come to our realization that once we pin our hopes onto an event then in most cases it disappoints. Thankfully this was not the case today. The bar to deliver was already very high and Imran to my surprise exceeded even this high expectation today. I will explain this in the later stages.

The point around anticipation that I want to stress upon is the fact repercussions it would have had should Imran had failed to deliver a strong message today. Let's begin by mentioning that India not only has an enormous print media but also social media. To add to this India easily has the largest troll community in the social media world. Had Imran failed today the media in India would have gone berserk over his failure and with such a massive reading populace the word would have spread fairly quickly across internationally about Imran's failure and it would have pushed India's narrative over Kashmir being the correct one. Further, domestically the opponents would have latched onto this failure like a magnet. They would have created a new narrative around this failure to bring down Imran and his government.

So overall to deliver on such a highly anticipated event was not only extraordinary but was quite necessary for Imran himself. And like '92 boy he did lead from the front this time too both literally and figuratively.


Goosebumps

When Imran touched on his first 3 problems to discuss at the assembly being; climate change, money laundering and islamophobia. His presentation of the factors to the Assembly could not have been more spot on. Literally, it might be for the first time the leaders of the Assembly would have had such a direct confrontation and education especially on money laundering and islamophobia.

His address on money laundering would ring serious bells domestically in Pakistan in near future. The opposition is getting weaker and weaker and by pushing the narrative of anti money laundering rules to be as strong and terror financing and drugs money on UN platform will surely make the corrupt leaders back home quiver. If Pakistan government can follow up on this speech and their lawmakers can get lawmakers from big economies crack down on money laundering and within a span of a year can come up with more stringent money laundering rules to help in asset recoveries then by all means he would then have wiped out domestic opponents comfortably. This act or potential law could help Imran sustain PTI government for many a years to come so ideally his legal team should definitely follow up and come up with a blueprint of their actions in here. Imran might have pulled off a master stroke here.

On islamophobia, we all knew what Imran's stance here was as he has been mentioning this for quite some time in both domestic and foreign interviews. However, his choice of words and delivery of his speech today on this topic was phenomenal. He articulately did put it across to the world the sufferings Pakistan has to endure over past couple of decades for a so called war on terror in which Pakistan was not even a direct party. He also put forward his argument on radical islam very articulately and rightly called out the western media for using this terminology and creating a fear of religion in the minds of western people. I personally feel grateful as a muslim that my viewpoint on this subject has been put forward to world leader in the way I would want it to be said. Imran together with Erdogan and Mahatir has already started working on repairing the image of Islam and disassociating the word radical from our religion for which I'm legit thankful to these leaders and I sincerely hope to see a shift in the way western people look at muslims down the years.


Authoritarian

This was Imran's approach today when he talked about Kashmir, RSS and Modi. It was like a teacher giving out a lecture with an attentive classroom at the start of this subject. I already knew, infact everyone knew that he would draw parallels of RSS with Hitler and Mussolini, which he did. I also knew to an extent he would bring up Gujrat of 2012 which he did. Also touching on India's refusal to bilaterally engage Pakistan while attempting to blacklist Pakistan in FATF. All this was done to create the background of the main issue that is Kashmir. Although this was a repetitive part but for those members of audience in hall or in front of screens who were not aware of it are now educated on it.

After creating the backdrop I liked how he explained the situation in Kashmir to audience making it explicitly clear that this act is inhumane and violations of human basic rights. Imran was very clear as how he saw Kashmir and how India were painting the picture of Kashmir which is inaccurate.

Then came the best part of his speech, the authoritative manner of his speech when he started talking about Pakistan's actions and started addressing UN directly with respect to Kashmir. It was evidently clear that his looks became more stern and his voice got more deeper and slightly louder when he started talking about Pakistan's actions should India do any foul play and especially when he was addressing the UN directly. Never would I have thought that any Pakistani leader could confront the UN Assembly itself in this manner and blatantly call them out where they have been wrong, not only that also reminded UN of the history and in a manner letting them know to learn from its own past mistakes. This is when from the teacher he literally became a leader and showed the direction to UN itself. No wonder, this was the most cheered part of his address and fitting high note to end his speech.


Proud

This is literally the feeling that sunk in immediately after he ended his speech and amidst the applause in the backdrop. Today, I can proudly say here we have a leader who is fit enough to lead us onto a progressive direction. A leader not through dynasty, a born leader with instincts and someone who is the voice of the people, Pakistani people. Imran is a Pakistani icon and we are truly blessed to have the right person leading our country. However he is human afterall, if we are to be successful each Pakistani should take it upon himself/herself to deliver in whatever field/industry they are in. Together we can succeed and certainly can succeed with leaders like him.

Thank you Imran.

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Great write up. As I said earlier I fear for his safety-King Faisal comes to mind.

 

[the Great Khan]

Your belief in their elected representatives to be similar to India is naive, In India its almost been impossible for Defense to stage a coup even during the 70s.

1998-2008 India had one of the most approachable governments in terms of peace with Pak and see what happen 99 backstabbing war, Masood ,Mumbai attacks.

Now in a different post you have said that their non state actors staged the 2008 Mumbai attack, I hope you are not that gullible to say The establishment meaning the army ofcourse didn’t have any idea about some people coming via sea? Really?

Imran has control over the narrative, and he has presented himself much better , I have massive dislike for BJP and Modi but in no circumstance would I believe Imran’s words 100%.

To give you an idea your way of thinking and system were implemented in 1978 , the GOI almost dismantled RAW and all the networks setup after 1962, and guess where that landed us.

Constitution should be protected and BJP should be dealt with and its sister ****** parties but lets not forget the past efforts of our govns and the result for the same, tbf To Bjp they tried multiple times even since Modi came to power, but I don’t doubt he is a war monger but i also don’t doubt that when Maoists get terrible armory how do Terrorists in Kashmir have managed such advanced weaponry and skills.

oh cry us a river. You make it sound like bechara ghareeb India hasnt done anything to Pakistan at all. Youve been sponsoring terror in pakistan since the 1950's. You supported terror in the 70's and 80's..then in the 90's too..

its been non stop from kashmir to siachen. Then you give us nonsense laced in legal terminology to shield yourself.

Its all rubbish. The simple fact is this. Your govt has been taken over by a fascist cult group. Your very nation is now staring at an abyss but like the frog in the microwave you people have no idea.

Do you think 8 million kashmiris deserve to be locked up like animals? your nation is going to have to pay a heavy price for Modi's regime whetehr you like it or not.

You can talk about kargil till the cows come home and your nonsensical prejudiced rhetoric about how Pakistan is untrustworthy well guess what, Pakistan wasnt the one that introduced nukes to the sub continent or terrorism for that matter..now youve beaten us to blatant fascism too..so whos the problem here?

 

[globalcitizen]

What.A.Speech.

"They killed 10 trees and it was quite painful since we are trying to grow trees"
Lmao,I cant get over this.He did not just troll India so conveniently.
All i want now is to make some popcorn and watch the two Indian representatives on loop and my life will be complete.

On a serious note, I just hope that something comes out of this and Kashmir gets the liberation it deserves.

The camera also zoomed and it was Pakistan contingent clapping. That’s surprising

 

[cricketjoshila]

Read that post again, Indo-Pak one-upmanship.



#70

There is no upmanship. We basically do t want to do anything with pakistan.

Constitution has to be protected, without that document there is no Republic of India. Country is well protected, but constitutional principles are under siege.

Constitution exists because of the country.

Warmongering, rhetoric, hate. Close to starting a war 6 months back but Imran acted like a mature adult.

We retaliated to a terrorist attack on our soil. A right that every country has.

No. But Indian governments over the years are also responsible for the state of the valley. BJP is creating terrorists in the valley at the moment. Endless cycle. Both India and Pakistan carry blame, let Pakistanis introspect, let us worry about India.

So Indian govts asked valley muslims to kill pandits and throw them out?

There were no terrorists before bjp?

Their ideology caused the first terror attack in Independent India. Godse murdering 'Father of the Nation' Gandhi.

Any proof? Godse had long left RSS. Thats why Congress couldnot keep it banned.

Its sad that you compare murder of one man with State sponsored terrorist attacks thats has killed 1000s in India.

Diplomacy, better intelligence gathering and policing, anti-terror ops within our borders, finding root cause of the problem etc. Kashmir is disputed and there are historical issues which result in violent activities. Try to address that. Not by flying into another country and dropping missiles.

Pakistan funds trains and abetts these terrorists. Retaliation is every country's right and we will retaliate.

Imran wants peace, he is the PM. Let us live in the present. Pakistanis may feel we are causing terror attacks in their country, eg that Jadhav arrest in Baluchistan. Works both ways, even India doesn't want peace especially this government. We refuse to play cricket with them, how low is that? Modi has always worked towards isolating Pakistan.

Imran by the version if other political parties in Pakistan is a selected PM. He has no control over his army. If pakistan had an iota of proof againist India, they would be asking for bans on Indians. All they have is one man. Here we have multiple UN designated terrorists and organisations who roam openly in pakistan and spread terror in india

Let Pakistanis mend Pakistan. I am interested in India. Mumbai was done by non-state actors of Pakistan, there wasn't much peace before sure. Kashmir is a valid dispute, without that maybe there would have been peace. That is the root cause and India is doing injustice to Kashmiris. Anyway where are we heading?

Lol. Non state actors. What a joke. So you mean to say that terrorist outfits enjoy no state support in pakistan and all the planners of 26/11 are roaming free just like that.

RSS/BJP hate politics has consumed thousands of lives in India, who is going to talk about that. Hindutva has consumed more Indian lives than 26/11,.

This has nothing to do with pakistan. If Indians vote bjp, thats a matter for Indians.


In your attempt to discredit modi and bjp,

In this very thread you have asked for Tamils to be viewed separately from Indians and want Imran to not drag tamils into indo pak issues.

You have parroted the pakistani version that terrorist attacks are by Non State actors.

Called a constitutionally inalienable part of the country as disputed.

Do think what exactly you have done.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So? He did his duty, he is an officer and has to follow orders. I have already made my points in #70.

There is a whole madras regiment.

Or are they not Tamil?

You are the lone spokesperson of Tamils?

You are pathetic attempt of trying to separate rest of India from Tamilnadu is reprehensible.

 

[cricketjoshila]

oh cry us a river. You make it sound like bechara ghareeb India hasnt done anything to Pakistan at all. Youve been sponsoring terror in pakistan since the 1950's. You supported terror in the 70's and 80's..then in the 90's too..

its been non stop from kashmir to siachen. Then you give us nonsense laced in legal terminology to shield yourself.

Its all rubbish. The simple fact is this. Your govt has been taken over by a fascist cult group. Your very nation is now staring at an abyss but like the frog in the microwave you people have no idea.

Do you think 8 million kashmiris deserve to be locked up like animals? your nation is going to have to pay a heavy price for Modi's regime whetehr you like it or not.

You can talk about kargil till the cows come home and your nonsensical prejudiced rhetoric about how Pakistan is untrustworthy well guess what, Pakistan wasnt the one that introduced nukes to the sub continent or terrorism for that matter..now youve beaten us to blatant fascism too..so whos the problem here?

You can rant all you want. Imran can tweet and give speeches.

Reality is that Pakistan can hardly do much to change the status of J and K.

2. Hardly any takers for pakistans version on India or Modi.

3. Iran Afghanistan India all have complained about terrorists from pakistan. So has the rest of thw world.

4. Pakistanis calling anyone fascist wont make him one.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What exactly was he thinking when he said Muslims in India would be radicalized seeing what is happening in Kashmir?

Pakistan believes all muslims think like pakistanis and they the official spokespersons.

 

[Hitman]

Pakistan believes all muslims think like pakistanis and they the official spokespersons.

It’s funny most of them have very little idea of what Indian muslims are really like.

 

[globalcitizen]

So? He did his duty, he is an officer and has to follow orders. I have already made my points in #70.

The madras regiment is known as one of darest and brilliant army regiment because they also consist of engineers. It’s cringeworthy when you generalises all Tamils think like that and puts tamilians to shame
In fact tamilians are a high proportion of air warriors in the army.
being in army is not a freelance job as you portray

Just be a keyboard warrior in your world!!!

 

[cricketjoshila]

It’s funny most of them have very little idea of what Indian muslims are really like.

Yup. There is a reason you will hardly find any Indian muslim been involved in a terrorist attack around the world.

Thing is that Indian muslims grow up with people of other religion, hence they develop a tolerance and atitude to integrate with others.

 

[someone21]

A man who cant talk about his own country, he is an embarrassment to Pak people and now the entire world.

 

[Lonewarrior]

What exactly was he thinking when he said Muslims in India would be radicalized seeing what is happening in Kashmir?

Its called single dimensional thought process, I command him for that.

Pakistan believes all muslims think like pakistanis and they the official spokespersons.

slowly but surely ....

BJP spokesperson Sambit Patra "Sit down quietly. I will rename a mosque after Lord Vishnu, and then you will be angrily roaming about.”

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BJP?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BJP</a> spokesperson Sambit Patra — a man notorious for making communal, hateful and inflammatory statements said to a Muslim during TV debate:<br><br>"Sit down quietly. I will rename a mosque after Lord Vishnu, and then you will be angrily roaming about.”<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> <a href="https://t.co/V6xh7Wfd4K">pic.twitter.com/V6xh7Wfd4K</a></p>— DOAM (@doamuslims) <a href="https://twitter.com/doamuslims/status/1061272741733634048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Lonewarrior]

A man who cant talk about his own country, he is an embarrassment to Pak people and now the entire world.

he was talking about his country external/internal issues.

 

[kk1992]

Lol, hahahahaha

These RSS cult members are hilarious.

Muslims of India have to be tolerant and scared, Anyone would be when majority of them elect those who openly ask to butcher Muslims if they are not subservient to majority RSS cult.

Hilarious, lol

 

[kk1992]

A man who cant talk about his own country, he is an embarrassment to Pak people and now the entire world.

He did both. Lol

 

[PakLFC]

Indian media crying like babies proves IK has hit Modi on the head with a bouncer or yorked him. They are crying over IK talking for 50 mins ignoring the bell where as Modi spoke only for 15 Hey Indian's remember when you mocked us over our cricketers having poor English compared to your educated fluent speakers? Well yours PM's English is so poor that he speaks in Hindi in front of world leaders where as ours is an Oxford graduate Whose laughing now!?

 

[Hitman]

Yea, people living in Pakistan know so much more than us about Indian muslims, people whom we grew up and continue to live with.

 

[kk1992]

Yea, people living in Pakistan know so much more than us about Indian muslims, people whom we grew up and continue to live with.

Generic, I believe you can do better.

 

[Hitman]

Generic, I believe you can do better.

I don’t need to.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Yea, people living in Pakistan know so much more than us about Indian muslims, people whom we grew up and continue to live with.

post#116

 

[Nostalgic]

The PM certainly appears to be popular in the valley. There were reports earlier of the people having seen the speech on cable. BBC Hindi's recent tweet is getting a lot of retweets too. Slogans of "Imran Bhai se rishta," and a comment towards the end that they trust first in God and then Imran Khan Sb...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="hi" dir="ltr">कश्मीर के सौरा में फिर से विरोध प्रदर्शन, संयुक्त राष्ट्र से दखल की अपील.... <a href="https://t.co/tOvWakAYXf">pic.twitter.com/tOvWakAYXf</a></p>— BBC News Hindi (@BBCHindi) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCHindi/status/1177634880706007041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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P.S. Lots of Pakistani flags in the latest demo, almost as many as the AJK ones... Just sayin'

 

[PakLFC]

Yea, people living in Pakistan know so much more than us about Indian muslims, people whom we grew up and continue to live with.

I am aware of the hypocrisy of Indian Muslims. When Hindu fundo's bash them up they expect sympathy and support of Pakistanis. When the Indian army kills Kashmiris they support the Indian army decrying Pakistan! It is so simple with me that I can't stand Indian Muslim's. They get on my nerves like you won't believe so you are more then welcome to them.

 

[JaDed]

oh cry us a river. You make it sound like bechara ghareeb India hasnt done anything to Pakistan at all. Youve been sponsoring terror in pakistan since the 1950's. You supported terror in the 70's and 80's..then in the 90's too..

its been non stop from kashmir to siachen. Then you give us nonsense laced in legal terminology to shield yourself.

Its all rubbish. The simple fact is this. Your govt has been taken over by a fascist cult group. Your very nation is now staring at an abyss but like the frog in the microwave you people have no idea.

Do you think 8 million kashmiris deserve to be locked up like animals? your nation is going to have to pay a heavy price for Modi's regime whetehr you like it or not.

You can talk about kargil till the cows come home and your nonsensical prejudiced rhetoric about how Pakistan is untrustworthy well guess what, Pakistan wasnt the one that introduced nukes to the sub continent or terrorism for that matter..now youve beaten us to blatant fascism too..so whos the problem here?

My reply was to someone from my city, so its crying a river to you at best to someone with same surroundings as me.

You can continue the wishes for Islamic empire with your other Brit Pakistanis ..

 

[JaDed]

slowly but surely ....

BJP spokesperson Sambit Patra "Sit down quietly. I will rename a mosque after Lord Vishnu, and then you will be angrily roaming about.”

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BJP?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BJP</a> spokesperson Sambit Patra — a man notorious for making communal, hateful and inflammatory statements said to a Muslim during TV debate:<br><br>"Sit down quietly. I will rename a mosque after Lord Vishnu, and then you will be angrily roaming about.”<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> <a href="https://t.co/V6xh7Wfd4K">pic.twitter.com/V6xh7Wfd4K</a></p>— DOAM (@doamuslims) <a href="https://twitter.com/doamuslims/status/1061272741733634048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BJP has always been sh i , how many times do you want me to say, the only think I haven’t yet advocated is violence against them, which doesn’t look far when I would be ok with that as wel.

 

[daytrader]

There is no upmanship. We basically do t want to do anything with pakistan.



Constitution exists because of the country.



We retaliated to a terrorist attack on our soil. A right that every country has.



So Indian govts asked valley muslims to kill pandits and throw them out?

There were no terrorists before bjp?



Any proof? Godse had long left RSS. Thats why Congress couldnot keep it banned.

Its sad that you compare murder of one man with State sponsored terrorist attacks thats has killed 1000s in India.





Pakistan funds trains and abetts these terrorists. Retaliation is every country's right and we will retaliate.




Imran by the version if other political parties in Pakistan is a selected PM. He has no control over his army. If pakistan had an iota of proof againist India, they would be asking for bans on Indians. All they have is one man. Here we have multiple UN designated terrorists and organisations who roam openly in pakistan and spread terror in india




Lol. Non state actors. What a joke. So you mean to say that terrorist outfits enjoy no state support in pakistan and all the planners of 26/11 are roaming free just like that.




This has nothing to do with pakistan. If Indians vote bjp, thats a matter for Indians.


In your attempt to discredit modi and bjp,

In this very thread you have asked for Tamils to be viewed separately from Indians and want Imran to not drag tamils into indo pak issues.

You have parroted the pakistani version that terrorist attacks are by Non State actors.

Called a constitutionally inalienable part of the country as disputed.

Do think what exactly you have done.

it's your country and your internal affair, hence your problem. Don't drag Pakistan into it. If you can't prevent attacks like that, you should question your defence capabilites rather than slinging mud.

 

[Darkrai]

It was an excellent rhetoric-laden speech that was right up the alley of our emotional, delusional, gullible public and his cult-followers.

He pulled off the basic act - informed and educated the world on what is happening in Kashmir, how fascist Modi is and how he is a threat to humanity like Hitler. Furthermore, he put a gun to his head and warned the delegates that if there is a war, they will be responsible.

Unfortunately the problem remains - the world will not respond the way he and his cult-followers want them to. The world does not run on melodrama and sensationalism. India is a major player in the global market and has far bigger influence and importance than an irrelevant country like Pakistan with zero credibility will ever manage.

These speeches sell well and will be played a dozen times on social media with hashtags and slogans but the end will result will continue to be zero. However, all of this is proving to be a very convenient distraction for Imran and his cult-followers to drag attention away from the fact that the PTI government has been a spectacular failure.

So Imran gave this speech for the emotional, delusional, gullible public and his cult-followers. But I wonder, would the victims in Kashmir really care? I bet they'd be happy that someone even spoke in front of the world for them, given that everyone else seems to ignore their struggles because they don't hold much importance in the world.

Your posts talk about how IK is deceiving people, India is a major player, Pakistan has no credibility, and the world won't care, but you fail to even acknowledge the struggles of Kashmiris or that this is a serious issue.

No matter the circumstances, as human beings, It's always necessary to speak up for those who are suffering, especially since they have no-one else.

 

[daytrader]

So Imran gave this speech for the emotional, delusional, gullible public and his cult-followers. But I wonder, would the victims in Kashmir really care? I bet they'd be happy that someone even spoke in front of the world for them, given that everyone else seems to ignore their struggles because they don't hold much importance in the world.

Your posts talk about how IK is deceiving people, India is a major player, Pakistan has no credibility, and the world won't care, but you fail to even acknowledge the struggles of Kashmiris or that this is a serious issue.

No matter the circumstances, as human beings, It's always necessary to speak up for those who are suffering, especially since they have no-one else.

the good doctor doesn't believe Kashmir is a humanitarian crisis

 

[PakLFC]

Indian Muslim's will see nothing wrong in a Masjid being named after Hindu God's or figures. This is how pathetic and helpless they are. Sambit Patra is just telling them "you are our slaves, we'll do whatever we want with you!". The resistance of Indian Muslim's is over, soon the battering will begin. When will the construction of Ram Mandir and demolition of the Taj begin? Remember the RSS want to reconvert all Indian Muslims to Hinduism by 2021 so the clock is ticking, Time for the Owaisi brothers to try on their lungi and kurtha's!

 

[globalcitizen]

Indian media crying like babies proves IK has hit Modi on the head with a bouncer or yorked him. They are crying over IK talking for 50 mins ignoring the bell where as Modi spoke only for 15 Hey Indian's remember when you mocked us over our cricketers having poor English compared to your educated fluent speakers? Well yours PM's English is so poor that he speaks in Hindi in front of world leaders where as ours is an Oxford graduate Whose laughing now!?

We are proud that he deliberately speaks in Indian language

 

[IAJ]

There we go. Thanks!

The last guy who spoke, he sounded like a pathan?

 

[Romali_rotti]

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Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday addressed the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

The highlight of his more than 45-minute-long speech was intense criticism of India for its annexation of occupied Kashmir and the continued restrictions imposed in the region.

The premier began his wide-ranging, at times apparently extemporaneous speech by saying he feels honoured to represent Pakistan at the world forum.

He said he would not have come to the UN if he did not feel that some "urgent issues" needed to be addressed.

Kashmir oppression
The issue which the prime minister talked in most detail about was the oppression of the people of occupied Kashmir.

"When we came to power, we swore that we would try to bring peace.

"We went to fight the war on terror and we faced losses of (thousands of people).

"I opposed the war because in the 1980s we joined the struggle against the Soviets funded by western countries.

"The mujahideen were trained by the Pakistan Army and they waged the freedom struggle. The Soviets called them terrorists and we called them freedom fighters.

"In 1989 soviets retreated; the Americans packed up and left. Here we had indoctrinated them in jihad against foreign occupation and now that the US had taken over, we were supposed to tell them it's no longer jihad.

"And so the US turned against us and it was a nightmare.

"Taliban were in Afghanistan, Al Qaeda was there; what did Pakistan have to do with it?

"When we came to power we decided we would dismantle what was left. I know India keeps alleging that these groups are there.

"I welcome UN observers, see for yourself.

"We now have a relationship with Afghanistan, Russia and then we wanted to mend fences with India.

"I have friends in India and I love going to India. So when my party came to power, we reached out to India and (said) let's resolve differences through trade.

"(Indian Prime Minister Narendra) Modi said there were terrorist attacks from Pakistan. We said well we have attacks in Balochistan from your end.

"Unfortunately we didn't make any headway. Our foreign minister was at the UNGA but they cancelled the meeting.

"Meanwhile a 20-year-old Kashmiri boy blew himself up at the Indian convoy. And India blamed us.

"We told him (Modi) if you have an iota of proof send it. They bombed us (instead), and we retaliated.

"We immediately returned the (captured Indian) pilot, saying that we do not want an escalation.

"Rather than taking that as a peace gesture, [Modi claimed that] he had taught Pakistan a lesson; that their jets had killed 350 terrorists.

"Complete lies. They just killed 10 trees of ours which was quite painful given that we are growing all these trees."

The prime minister pointed out that Modi's entire election campaign revolved around an anti-Pakistan narrative.

"In his election campaign, Mr Modi used words like 'This is just a trailer. The movie is about to start' and 'I went into Pakistan and taught them a lesson'."

He said that at the time, Pakistan chalked it up to just "politicians making statements" and that they would get back to the normal relationship with India post-elections.

The premier said that India did not respond to Pakistan's overtures following Modi's re-election as prime minister and soon it was discovered that India was trying to push Pakistan into the blacklist of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to bankrupt the country.

"That's when we realised that there was an agenda and that agenda became obvious on the 5th of August when India went against 11 United Nations Security Council resolutions which say that Kashmir is a disputed territory and the people of Kashmir have the right of self-determination," he said.

"They went against the Simla Accord — which is about sorting out our differences through bilateral means.

"They actually went against the Indian Constitution. Illegally, they revoked Article 370 which gave Kashmir the special status and [stationed] an extra 180,000 troops there," said Prime Minister Imran, providing the backdrop to India's actions in Kashmir.

He said that the total number of security forces in Kashmir are 900,000 and they put eight million people of occupied Kashmir under curfew.

He said that the answer to how anyone can do something like this lies in the RSS ideology followed by Modi.

"Now I must explain what RSS is. Modi is a life member (of RSS).

"It is an organisation inspired by Hitler and Mussolini. They believe in racial purity and superiority. They believe they are an Aryan race.

"They believe in the ethnic cleansing of Muslims. They believe a golden age of Hindu rule was stopped by Muslims and then the British occupation.

"What kind of people bring in 900,000 troops for eight million people? These are human beings," said Prime Minister Imran to applause from the audience.

"What comes with Aryan superiority is arrogance and it makes people commit mistakes and do stupid, cruel things like what Modi has done.

"It is arrogance that has blinded Modi. Has he thought about what will happen after the curfew in Kashmir is lifted?

"What will he do? Does he think the people of Kashmir will quietly accept the status quo?"

"(Nearly) 100,000 Kashmiris have died in the past 30 years because they were denied their right of self-determination. Eleven thousand women were raped.

"The world hasn't done anything.

"What is going to happen will be a blood bath. The people will come out.

"Has he thought it through what happens then? Has anyone thought what happens when there is a bloodbath?

"What do you think they (Kashmiris) will think of the way they have been boxed in?"

He noted that even pro-India local leaders were taken out of Kashmir as part of the crackdown and 13,000 boys were picked up and taken to unknown locations.

"What will the people do then? [They will] take to the streets. The soldiers will then shoot them. They have already used pellet guns.

"And so Kashmiris will be further radicalised. There will be another Pulwama. And they (India) will blame us.

"They are already blaming us. They said we have 500 terrorists lined up to go in.

"Why would we send 500 terrorists when there are 900,000 troops?

"There will only be further cruelty on Kashmiris. It will give them the excuse to chant on the mantra of Islamic terrorism.

"The whole world then turns away.

"How do we (Pakistan) benefit from further increasing cruelty on the people of Kashmir?"

Prime Minister Imran said there is no other narrative left for India. "Whatever happens we will be blamed.

"What does Modi think the 180 million Muslims of India are thinking? Aren't they watching these Kashmiris stuck in?

"Don't you think they too will be radicalised? Then there will be blame on us again.

"What about the 1.3bn Muslims watching this who know this is only happening because they are Muslims? What do you think they would think?

"What would the Jews of Europe think if 8,000 Jews were stuck. Are we children of a lesser God?

"Among the 1.3bn (Muslims) someone will pick up arms," he said, citing the analogy of a Hollywood film.

"Muslims will become radicals because of this, not because of Islam. Because they see no justice.

"I have pictured myself locked up for 55 days. There are rapes, soldiers going into rooms.

"Would I want to let this humiliation continue? I would pick up a gun."

"You are forcing people into radicalisation," he said, addressing the Indian leadership.

"This is one of the most critical times. There will be a reaction to this and Pakistan will be blamed.

"Two nuclear countries will come face to face.

"Before we head there the UN has a responsibility; this is why the UN came into being in 1945. You were supposed to stop this from happening.

"I feel like we are back in 1939 [when] Czechoslovakia was annexed.

"Is the international community going to appease or stand up for justice or humanity.

"If a conventional war starts between the two countries, supposing a country seven times smaller is faced with a choice to surrender or fight to the end.

"When a nuclear country fights till the end it has consequences far beyond the borders.

"This is a test of the UN. You are the one who guaranteed the Kashmiris the right (of self-determination).

"This is the time not to appease but to take action."

He said the very first action that India needs to take is to lift the curfew in occupied Kashmir and then release all detained prisoners.

"And then the world community must give the Kashmiris the right of self-determination," the prime minister stressed.

'Humans facing huge catastrophe'
The first issue addressed by Prime Minister Imran in his speech was climate change. "So many leaders spoke about climate change but I feel there is a lack of seriousness (to tackle the issue).

"Perhaps some of the leaders who can do a lot do not realise the seriousness of the situation. There are a lot of ideas but they are nothing without funding," said the premier, who was not reading from a paper.

He noted that Pakistan is in the top ten list of countries who are most affected by climate change.

"We depend on our rivers and 80 per cent of our water comes from glaciers. The glaciers are also in India in the Himalayas, Karakorum and the Hindu Kush.

"If nothing is done, we are scared humans are facing a huge catastrophe.

"In my country where I came into power in KP we planted one billion trees and plan to plant 10bn to counter global warming effects.

"One country cannot do anything, it has to be a combined effort of the world."

He said the countries contributing to greenhouse gas emissions must be pushed and the UN must take initiative.

Money laundering 'devastating developing world'
Prime Minister Imran said the second issue he was speaking about is even more critical — that of illicit financial flows.

"Every year billions of dollars leave the poorer countries and go towards rich countries, siphoned off by the ruling elites of the western world.

"This is devastating the developing world. It is impoverishing them. The rich-poor gap is growing because of them."

He regretted that the seriousness with which money from drugs or terror financing is treated is not accorded to money laundered from poor countries.

"How will we help [our] 200 million people when we are just using all of our money for debt servicing? We could spend the money lost on our human beings.

"We do not have the money to spend millions on lawyers. We need help from the rich countries; they must show political will.

"How can poor countries spend money on human development?

"Unless the rich countries intend to build walls to stop economic refugees from coming in, there must be a deterrent.

"Corrupt elites must not be allowed to park their money (abroad). Why do we have these tax havens?

"Why shouldn't rich people pay taxes? Why are they legal, these secret accounts?

"Sooner or later there will be a crisis if the rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer.

"I hope the UN takes a lead on this. The IMF and ADB must find a way."

'Islamophobia is creating divisions'
Addressing the prevalence of Islamophobia, Prime Minister Imran said it has grown at an alarming pace.

"Islamophobia is creating divisions, hijab is becoming a weapon; a woman can take off clothes but she can't put on more clothes.

"It started after 9/11 and it started because certain western leaders equated Islam with terrorism.

He questioned the use of the term 'radical Islamic terrorism' saying: "There is only one Islam.

"What message does this (the term) send? How is a person in New York going to distinguish between moderate Muslims and radical Muslims?

"This radical Islamic terrorism used by leaders has caused Islamophobia and has caused pain for Muslims.

"In European countries it is marginalising Muslims, and this leads to radicalisation.

"Some of the terrorists were from marginalised Muslim communities. We Muslim leaders have not addressed this issue.

"The basis of all religions is compassion and justice which differentiates us from the animal kingdom.

"The Muslim leaders all became moderates and our government coined a phrase 'enlightened moderation'.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1507675/p...lls-out-modi-govt-for-oppression-of-kashmiris

My thoughts:

- Imran even spoke about the Rohingya muslim hardship but not a peep on the Uyghur muslims. WOW, *Ummah** .

- His speech had a lot of stop start, stop start, looked a little unprofessional.


However, overall I liked it, Imran has a good heart and is a good human being imo...

 

[Nostalgic]

The last guy who spoke, he sounded like a pathan?

I don’t think so. I’ve heard that accent from several Kashmiris.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Imran Khan met UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres at UN Headquarters in New York.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMIKInUSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMIKInUSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNGA74?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNGA74</a> <a href="https://t.co/tzvc0KXIBn">pic.twitter.com/tzvc0KXIBn</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1177646065740341248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday highlighted the responsibility of the United Nations and the international community to take urgent steps to protect the people of Indian-occupied Kashmir and help resolve the long-standing dispute of Kashmir.

The prime minister discussed the Kashmir situation during a meeting with UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York.

According to a statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office, the premier commended Guterres "for his clear articulation of the UN position on Kashmir dispute".

The prime minister briefed him on the curfew and communications blackout imposed in Kashmir which have now been in place for 54 days, saying such "draconian lock-down" had no parallel in recent history.

Stressing the need for the restrictions to be lifted immediately, Prime Minister Imran once again conveyed Pakistan’s rejection of India's illegal and unilateral actions of August 5 — through which it revoked occupied Kashmir's special autonomy — saying these were in clear violation of UN Security Council resolutions.

He underlined that India’s recent actions represented "a new chapter of intensified human rights abuses" and noted that the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights had comprehensively documented previous human rights violations by India in Kashmir.

"The prime minister highlighted the risks to regional peace and security that arose from India’s illegal and irresponsible actions," the statement said, adding that he underscored the responsibility of the UN and the world community to take steps to save lives in Kashmir.

The UN chief during the meeting reiterated his deep concern over the human rights and humanitarian situation in occupied Kashmir, the press release said.

Guterres said that he would "remain engaged on the issue" and conveyed that his offer to help facilitate a peaceful solution of the Kashmir issue continued to stand.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1507709/i...-bodys-responsibility-to-help-resolve-kashmir

 

[MenInG]

It’s funny most of them have very little idea of what Indian muslims are really like.

I work with a lot of them - what they tell me is that if you want to stay alive in India - tow the line.

 

[Swashbuckler]

There is a whole madras regiment.

Or are they not Tamil?

You are the lone spokesperson of Tamils?

You are pathetic attempt of trying to separate rest of India from Tamilnadu is reprehensible.

Did i deny any of that? Straw man argument.

My comment was:

In case of Indo-Pak war we are obliged to defend our motherland India. Tamil soldiers have died for the nation you know.

Now re-read your post and explain what you want to convey. Don't create fictional arguments.

The madras regiment is known as one of darest and brilliant army regiment because they also consist of engineers. It’s cringeworthy when you generalises all Tamils think like that and puts tamilians to shame
In fact tamilians are a high proportion of air warriors in the army.
being in army is not a freelance job as you portray

Just be a keyboard warrior in your world!!!

Same as above.

When you run out of arguments don't hide behind the cloak of the army.

 

[Swashbuckler]

There is no upmanship. We basically do t want to do anything with pakistan.

That is the word I used in my post. Not Indo-Pak issues as you indicated.

Constitution exists because of the country.

The parts which you don't quote, am I to assume that you agree with them? Constitution drawn by our founding fathers is under attack, without that we lose our identity. Indian can face any external threat, don't worry whole of India will unite in case of such an event.

We retaliated to a terrorist attack on our soil. A right that every country has.

By crossing over to another country? Isn't that initiation of war?

So Indian govts asked valley muslims to kill pandits and throw them out?

There were no terrorists before bjp?

Why only talk about Pandits? Haven't Muslims in the valley suffered? Or do you consider them worthless? Check how many Muslims have been killed in the insurgency, human rights violations galore. But all I hear BJP supporters talk about is the Hindus there. Are you ok with the gender violence in the valley? Are you ok with them unable to lead normal lives? Have you heard about the Ikhwan force? Are you aware of the 1987 JK election rigging? That is what led to rise in violence, before that acts of violence were less.

Any proof? Godse had long left RSS. Thats why Congress couldnot keep it banned.

Its sad that you compare murder of one man with State sponsored terrorist attacks thats has killed 1000s in India.

I said 'ideology', don't twist my words. Godse was Hindutva personified, you deny? You deny he has many supporters among a certain section including elected leaders?

Hindutva ideology has unleashed riots killing 1000s. If you want to talk about terrorism, don't forget the Hindutva run riots be it 1969 Gujarat, Nellie massacre (instigated by an ex-PM of BJP), 1992 Bombay or 2002. Which other country sees these many riots? It is sad when people so outraged by terrorism don't see fit to include communal violence as part of terrorism. The least we can do is not elect people involved in religious riots.

Btw that 'one man' happens to be the 'Father of the Nation'.

In this very thread you have asked for Tamils to be viewed separately from Indians and want Imran to not drag tamils into indo pak issues.

Not just Tamils, all sane Indians who are peace loving. We reject the hate campaign unleashed by our politicians and media. Would also help if people don't comment on LTTE or the Lankan civil war without understanding. We don't want to be part of this Hindu-Muslim nonsense, that talk has already made Pakistan a hot mess along with a huge part of India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India have responded to Imran Khan's speech few hours ago.

 

[IMMY69]

Yea, people living in Pakistan know so much more than us about Indian muslims, people whom we grew up and continue to live with.

I prefer not to debate with extremists but...

70 years ago prior to partition there was no Pakistan.
Both my parents are from cities that were and continue to be in India.
We are Muslims.
We have family members and friends that decided to remain in India for various reasons including health and economical reasons.

Now I would ask you to shove your lies somewhere the sun doesn’t shine.

 

[IMMY69]

India have responded to Imran Khan's speech few hours ago.

I haven’t seen it yet but is it an actually reply or just another deflection tactic oft used by the RSS extremists?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan Exclusive Interview on CNN with Christiane Amanpour <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ImranKhanVoiceOfKashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ImranKhanVoiceOfKashmir</a> 1/2 <a href="https://t.co/NpYZ6fUr1J">pic.twitter.com/NpYZ6fUr1J</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1177657038807191552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Green Patriot]

The camera also zoomed and it was Pakistan contingent clapping. That’s surprising &#55358;&#56596;

Your point is?

 

[MenInG]

India have responded to Imran Khan's speech few hours ago.

see

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-s-speech-at-the-UNGA&p=10495495#post10495495

 

[Swashbuckler]

Your belief in their elected representatives to be similar to India is naive, In India its almost been impossible for Defense to stage a coup even during the 70s.

I believe things have changed recently. For the first time ever a Pakistani government (PMLN) saw a complete tenure, then an election victory by Imran which international observers (including Indian observer) hailed as free and fair. I think Pakistan has finally figured out civilian democracy. It is in India's interest to support this new change.

1998-2008 India had one of the most approachable governments in terms of peace with Pak and see what happen 99 backstabbing war, Masood ,Mumbai attacks.

That was because Congress was useless when it came to national security. Many terror acts were committed by Indian citizens as well, domestic terrorism.

Kargil was a betrayal, most neutral Pakistanis will agree. There was domestic tension in Pakistan between Musharraf and the civilian government (Nawaz) as well because of that.

90s and 2000s saw terror not just in India but also in Pakistan. Seeds were sown after Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1980, followed by Afghan civil war, then the war on terror, so many reasons which saw a huge increase in terrorism in Afg-Pak region. Spillover to India. You agree that even Pakistan was a victim of terror in those years.

I will always condemn Pak origin terror, don't like it one bit when some PPers make light of 26/11.

Now in a different post you have said that their non state actors staged the 2008 Mumbai attack, I hope you are not that gullible to say The establishment meaning the army ofcourse didn’t have any idea about some people coming via sea? Really?

Could our prosecution prove that state actors were involved. Sure there wold have been some rogue elements in their army but can we call it act by state? Guys like Headley and Rana were involved as were LeT bosses and some rogue major. Even Indians were charged. But to point out complicity of Pak state needs more proof. They have been soft on India-centric terror organizations led by UN designated terrorists like Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar, no denying. But we have had enough time and international co-operation to prove 26/11 was done by state actors.What is our progress?

I will reiterate that some evil Pakistanis had a major role in 26/11 but as evidence stands they weren't state actors.

To give you an idea your way of thinking and system were implemented in 1978 , the GOI almost dismantled RAW and all the networks setup after 1962, and guess where that landed us.

Pakistan under Benazir dismantled the Khalistan module. Musharaff in 2003-04 dismantled Pak's networks/system in Kashmir valley which resulted in more normalcy. Ultimately it will be good if both sides work towards the goal, unrealistic but one can hope. Pakistan doesn't involve itself in Gujarat, Rajasthan, two other bordering states. Kashmir is the real hindrance for our countries.

Digressing for a moment, our agencies aren't naive. We have interfered in East Pakistan and Sri Lanka in the past, often supporting violence. If our retired officers are to be believed we have been involved in Pakistan as well. We interfere in affairs of all the other SAARC nations, there is no holy saint here.

lets not forget the past efforts of our govns and the result for the same,

That is why India had a much better image in the past. We were morally more (nothing absolute) right and didn't seek out conflict. Under Imran Pakistan is slowly changing its image, his leadership in those tense days 6 months back is there for everyone to see.

tbf To Bjp they tried multiple times

BJP under Modi has never been sincere. Talks of isolating Pakistan, hate speeches, Pak obsession right from the moment he got elected. Unlike Congress, current ruling dispensation also wants to ban all sporting and cultural contacts, why the malice towards ordinary Pakistanis? BJP needs to maintain hostility with Pakistan for political gains, don't you agree.

i also don’t doubt that when Maoists get terrible armory how do Terrorists in Kashmir have managed such advanced weaponry and skills.

As I replied to joshila

Both India and Pakistan carry blame, let Pakistanis introspect, let us worry about India.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] I didn't quote rest of your post because Jaded raised similar points.

Called a constitutionally inalienable part of the country as disputed.

Our right over Kashmir was always morally iffy because that is the unfinished legacy of 1947 and the wishes of Kashmiris were never taken into account. But we had a legal claim because of the Instrument of Accession, 370 was a precondition. After abrogation of 370 situation has changed, this was unilateral abrogation and JK legislature was sidelined. Most sensible people and international community have always seen this as disputed territory, entire Kashmir including the one in Pakistan's control. After recent events our legal right is jeopardized.

 

[Keyboard_warrior]

Instead of ranting and empty warnings/tweets..he should go for all out war

 

[Keyboard_warrior]

South India may not support Hindi imposition..but they fully support modi for his actions on kashmir

 

[Mamoon]

So Imran gave this speech for the emotional, delusional, gullible public and his cult-followers. But I wonder, would the victims in Kashmir really care? I bet they'd be happy that someone even spoke in front of the world for them, given that everyone else seems to ignore their struggles because they don't hold much importance in the world.

Your posts talk about how IK is deceiving people, India is a major player, Pakistan has no credibility, and the world won't care, but you fail to even acknowledge the struggles of Kashmiris or that this is a serious issue.

No matter the circumstances, as human beings, It's always necessary to speak up for those who are suffering, especially since they have no-one else.

Please don’t talk about human beings, humanity or the Muslim ummah. If the plight of humans and Muslims worry us so much, why is Imran and his supporters quiet on the detention of a million Muslims in China, who have been subjected to terrible atrocities.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...s-Uighur-Muslim-minority-UN-human-rights-body

Take a look at the lack of coverage in this thread. Where are all the “humanitarians” of PP?

Also, please don’t talk about how Kashmiris have a connection to Pakistan. If that is so, why are we quiet on Balochistan and FATA? Why is Imran not demanding the military to answer for the thousands of missing persons in Balochistan?

Why doesn’t he talk about the media blackout for the separatist movement in “Azad” Kashmir?

Why doesn’t he use the UN platform to discuss the plight of Ahmadis and Shias in Pakistan and the steps that his government will take to give them their due rights?

Why doesn’t he tell the world that he crumbled under the right-wing pressure and removed Atif Mian from the economic council, only for his joker Finance Minister (Asad Umar) to get sacked after 8 months?

Kashmir is purely a political issue for Pakistan. If the people of Kashmir think that the Pakistani state cares about their plight, they should wake up. They are just a tool for us in our battle of power and ego with India.

We are a country that committed a genocide against our own people to have our way. The youth of Kashmir who think Pakistan cares for them should learn our history.

When you (Imran/Pakistan) rub an issue too much without looking at the skeletons in your cupboard, you will eventually be discredited.

 

[Halaribo]

Pakistan is truly blessed to have such a leader.

No modern Islamic leader has stood up for his people, let alone Muslims, in such a powerful way under the circumstances he finds himself in.

Imagine the type of speech Mamoon's type of leader would have given. Capitulation and treacherous. Weak.

"It's our own fault we are violated and abused"

I imagine when Mamoon is roleplaying as Doctor, he tells his vulnerable "patients" that.

 

[Abdullah719]

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[Hitman]

I prefer not to debate with extremists but...

70 years ago prior to partition there was no Pakistan.
Both my parents are from cities that were and continue to be in India.
We are Muslims.
We have family members and friends that decided to remain in India for various reasons including health and economical reasons.

Now I would ask you to shove your lies somewhere the sun doesn’t shine.

I live in India, and have grown up with Indian muslims. While your parents left India 70 something years ago.

I wonder who will have a better idea about todays Indian muslims, you or me?

 

[Khan12]

I live in India, and have grown up with Indian muslims. While your parents left India 70 something years ago.

I wonder who will have a better idea about todays Indian muslims, you or me?

In India they may but boy once they are out they hate india with passion. I am yet to meet an indian muslim who supports inida.

 

[Hitman]

I prefer not to debate with extremists but...

70 years ago prior to partition there was no Pakistan.
Both my parents are from cities that were and continue to be in India.
We are Muslims.
We have family members and friends that decided to remain in India for various reasons including health and economical reasons.

Now I would ask you to shove your lies somewhere the sun doesn’t shine.

Let’s not even go there. You guys won’t have a leg to stand if we start generalising you.

 

[Hitman]

In India they may but boy once they are out they hate india with passion. I am yet to meet an indian muslim who supports inida.

Yea, sure. We believe you.

 

[Manager101]

Pakistan is truly blessed to have such a leader.

No modern Islamic leader has stood up for his people, let alone Muslims, in such a powerful way under the circumstances he finds himself in.

Imagine the type of speech Mamoon's type of leader would have given. Capitulation and treacherous. Weak.

"It's our own fault we are violated and abused"

I imagine when Mamoon is roleplaying as Doctor, he tells his vulnerable "patients" that.

I can imagine Dr. Mamoon's message to his patients:

"I am sorry to inform you that due to your negligible, pathetic and mediocre health condition, you are going to die in few months. Shame on you and your family for not taking care of yourself. You deserve it."

)

 

[bluevision]

Speech? More like a cribbing monologue! It seemed to be curated for domestic consumption.

 

[globalcitizen]

Your point is?

Haha my bad. It’s a wrong quote. Thanks for pointing it out sir

This is what I wanted to quote

Icing on the cake was people actually clapped vociferously at this point

 

[PakLFC]

We are proud that he deliberately speaks in Indian language

When Pak cricketers spoke in Urdu Indians used to mock them. Modi speaks in Hindi coz his English is terrible and you know it. "When in Rome do as the Romans do" as they say, interpreting what he is saying is not the same as speaking in the majority language.

 

[Khan12]

Yea, sure. We believe you.

No we should believe you. Read again i said the one's i know unlike you talking about them as a whole.

 

[Mercurial]

He has done well in representing Kashmir on international forums, but we must not forget that humans in his own country have been killed and no culprit has been punished to date during his tenure so far, e.g. Sahiwal Case, Tahir Dawar Case, Salahuddin Case, etc.