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Saj said:
I must have been listening to the wrong person all these years.
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Ramiz's competition is:

Waqar Younis
Wasim Akram
Bazid Khan

...you can only compare with what's available.

And he's simply the best among the competition.

Nobody wants borefests like Waqar Wasim who not only can't speak fluently or with any humor, but also do not provide any technical insights.

Only Bazid is getting somewhat better.

Ramiz is ATG in front of these.
 
Hawkeye said:
Ramiz's competition is:

Waqar Younis
Wasim Akram
Bazid Khan

...you can only compare with what's available.

And he's simply the best among the competition.

Nobody wants borefests like Waqar Wasim who not only can't speak fluently or with any humor, but also do not provide any technical insights.

Only Bazid is getting somewhat better.

Ramiz is ATG in front of these.
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Have to agree with that. As bad as Rameez is, he's better certainly than Wasim and Waqar. I don't think I've heard a grammatically correct or idiomatic sentence from Waqar.
 
Third Man said:
Have to agree with that. As bad as Rameez is, he's better certainly than Wasim and Waqar. I don't think I've heard a grammatically correct or idiomatic sentence from Waqar.
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Very true. Grammatically correct would be a start, idiomatic is a long shot. Very unlikely.

How can anyone call these guys "commentators". These are the basic requirements.
 
Fakhar hit in the privates - Ramiz Raja "it looks like he has been hit on the glove."

Superb observation by Rambo.
 
"I hope Mickey is aware of the challenges the team will face in South Africa..."

Ramiz has seemingly forgotten:

i) Mickey is South African
ii) Mickey (successfully) coached South Africa for five years.

Ramiz truly is the gift that keeps on giving. :))
 
mak36 said:
"I hope Mickey is aware of the challenges the team will face in South Africa..."

Ramiz has seemingly forgotten:

i) Mickey is South African
ii) Mickey (successfully) coached South Africa for five years.

Ramiz truly is the gift that keeps on giving. :))
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Yes indeed. Superb analysis from the genius.
 
Mamoon said:
Cricket nerds, i.e. PPers do not like him because he is not well-versed with Pakistan’s domestic cricket and makes frequent statistical errors.

However, the majority of the cricket viewers do not pick up these small details and do not care about domestic cricket. They do not get geeky while watching the game.

They prefer entertaining, exciting commentary with fluent delivery, and that is what Rameez provides, and that is why he is the most acclaimed Pakistani commentator and networks are willing to pay him to top money.

Before joining PP, I had no idea that so many people dislike his commentary. He is highly regarded and loved among the general public of Pakistan.
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Not anymore.

Ramiz has never been an insightful commentator but he was ok to listen to so I didn’t really mind him.

But now it’s almost as if his speech has deteriorated and he can’t even formulate a sentence properly. He fumbles over every word and even messes up player names in the process. His comedy isn’t funny and his fancy words don’t even make sense.

There are a lot of commentators who are not necessarily insightful but they atleast talk clearly.
 
A top commentator who makes the game lively and exciting. Love his commentary. Some Pakistanis may hate him for his severe criticism of Pakistani batsmen. Some people can’t handle the truth.
 
iRfaN_LA said:
so i guess 90% of the people in this thread who think he is terrible are not "general public".
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Yes they are not. These people (we) are cricket nerds - majority of the population thinks it is a waste of time to post on cricket forums over the Internet. They do not have enough passion for the game to devote so much time to discuss the sport with anonymous people over the Internet.
 
j_kazmi said:
Not anymore.

Ramiz has never been an insightful commentator but he was ok to listen to so I didn’t really mind him.

But now it’s almost as if his speech has deteriorated and he can’t even formulate a sentence properly. He fumbles over every word and even messes up player names in the process. His comedy isn’t funny and his fancy words don’t even make sense.

There are a lot of commentators who are not necessarily insightful but they atleast talk clearly.
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Well entertainment is subjective, but most of the casual viewers find him entertaining because he is easily excited and comes up with memorable phrases. Same reason why they enjoyed commentary of people like Ravi Shastri and Sidhu, who are not appreciated by ardent followers by the game either.

The commentators who are both insightful and entertaining are very rare, and they are the best in the business. Nasser Hussain for example.
 
I really don't get the hate.

I come to this forum to see a thorough and scientific analysis of our cricket, not hear it while watching it. Ramiz delivers exciting commentary and has been the voice of Pakistan cricket for decades. Who else is there? It would be lovely if Bazid Khan had Ramiz's voice but it is not the case.
 
I like Ramiz Raja as a neutral fan. In my opinion, he has been a net positive for Pakistan cricket, from his commentary, to his roles at the PCB.

Anybody remember the time he shot down Russel Arnold when he was poking fun at some Pakistani girl praying in the stands?
 
Third Man said:
Have to agree with that. As bad as Rameez is, he's better certainly than Wasim and Waqar. I don't think I've heard a grammatically correct or idiomatic sentence from Waqar.
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Add on his random changes of accents
 
Was asking Ajaz Patel would u like to speak in urdu, when Patel speaks better english than Him, & also speaks HINDI not urdu.
 
I personally would sack Ramiz for asking Patel whether he wants to speak in English or Hindi, like why make the guy feel as if he is different to his country men? As if he already isnt going through enough to make himself feel as Kiwi as the others. This is what I hate about our Desi's in general, they just dont get the dynamics involved in such things at times!
 
I normally don’t mind rameez but honestly cringed today when he asked Patel if he wants to speak in Hindi. Patel obviously chose English and proceeded in the thickest of Kiwi accents
 
What an imbecile to ask a New Zealander whether he wants to talk in Urdu! How stupid can you get? Rameez has just proved to be a typical desi who looks at a player's colour or his name before assigning him an (incorrect)identity.
 
Abid Z said:
I normally don’t mind rameez but honestly cringed today when he asked Patel if he wants to speak in Hindi. Patel obviously chose English and proceeded in the thickest of Kiwi accents
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Exactly. It was outrageously poor. I mean this guy is the Hafeez of commentary world - nobody dares question his place despite his consistent and cringe-worthy blunders. I am at a loss of words how come such an unprofessional guy has managed to hog commentary spots for years. What's even worse is that he always seems to get the nod for the presentation ceremonies. His questions are always vague and ambiguous. Has no idea what he really needs to be asking. Honestly, guys like Waqar and Aamir Sohail are trillion times better than him, at least they know what they are talking about and don't make a fool out of themselves as often as this guy does.

Bazid should be the one doing the post match presentations.
 
Seen Sheen said:
Exactly. It was outrageously poor. I mean this guy is the Hafeez of commentary world - nobody dares question his place despite his consistent and cringe-worthy blunders. I am at a loss of words how come such an unprofessional guy has managed to hog commentary spots for years. What's even worse is that he always seems to get the nod for the presentation ceremonies. His questions are always vague and ambiguous. Has no idea what he really needs to be asking. Honestly, guys like Waqar and Aamir Sohail are trillion times better than him, at least they know what they are talking about and don't make a fool out of themselves as often as this guy does.

Bazid should be the one doing the post match presentations.
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Well bazid I agree with. Aamir made a fool of himself on sky too often. Waqars English is a little poor. But rameez just gets worse.
 
Rana said:
I personally would sack Ramiz for asking Patel whether he wants to speak in English or Hindi, like why make the guy feel as if he is different to his country men? As if he already isnt going through enough to make himself feel as Kiwi as the others. This is what I hate about our Desi's in general, they just dont get the dynamics involved in such things at times!
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Hit the nail on the head.
 
For a cricket crazy nation Pakistan is very poorly represented in commentary and talk shows by its ex players and media personalities. Poor at speaking English, very bad with numbers/facts and utterly unprofessional. It’s very strange.
 
God that segment with Ajaz was bad for Ramiz. Times have changed and with it, we should get rid of Ramiz.
 
It was very poor.

Why would he ask an NZ player to speak in anything but English?

I'm his fan but that was inexcusable and very embarrassing.

He needs to be taught a lesson and need to sit out from at least a couple of series.

Simply unacceptable.
 
Lol ,seems like a hilarious blunder plus Urdu?
Not only he assumed Urdu not Hindi a religious bias but from someone that migrated so long ago, really doesn't do his home work about his current status.
 
I dont know why Ramiz is gettign a hard time, he isnt always politically correct but sometimes I think he plays on it, he plays on being a little bit silly and I like that.

I would rather listen to him rather than someone who drones on and on about stats and technical issues all the time, need to lighten it up sometimes.
 
There's a reason why his services were no longer acquired from Sky Sports, Channel 9 and whatever the NZ cricket channel was during last away tours to England, Aus and NZ respectively.

Fair enough if you're a fan of his but lets not try to pretend he's an ATG commentator as some have cited on here. Is this the benchmark that we have set for new Pakistani commentators in the future?

Khuda ka khauf karo.
 
Rameez after Bilal got his second wicket:"Bilal got his first wicket...." seriously???:facepalm:
 
Mamoon said:
Cricket nerds, i.e. PPers do not like him because he is not well-versed with Pakistan’s domestic cricket and makes frequent statistical errors.

However, the majority of the cricket viewers do not pick up these small details and do not care about domestic cricket. They do not get geeky while watching the game.

They prefer entertaining, exciting commentary with fluent delivery, and that is what Rameez provides, and that is why he is the most acclaimed Pakistani commentator and networks are willing to pay him to top money.

Before joining PP, I had no idea that so many people dislike his commentary. He is highly regarded and loved among the general public of Pakistan.
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People dislike him because he is repetitive and only talks in cliches rather than for the reasons you mentioned. Waqar Younis frequently makes glaring grammatical mistakes while commentating but when he makes an insight particularly about fast-bowling, there is some meaning and original thought attached to it. I have nothing against Ramiz, he comes across as a genuinely nice guy but he's an awful commentator despite being one for decades now. There's a reason why Australians, English, New Zealanders have stopped inviting him.
 
Hawkeye said:
Ramiz's competition is:

Waqar Younis
Wasim Akram
Bazid Khan

...you can only compare with what's available.

And he's simply the best among the competition.

Nobody wants borefests like Waqar Wasim who not only can't speak fluently or with any humor, but also do not provide any technical insights.

Only Bazid is getting somewhat better.

Ramiz is ATG in front of these.
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I prefer every one of the commentators you mentioned over Ramiz.

Personally I find his commentary stint every day of every match to be unbearably cringe-worthy. I almost prefer it on mute.

Listening to Waqar after him is a stark relief, or any of the others you mentioned.

Let me tell you, though, I've been listening to Ramiz since he started commentating. It gets worse over time.
 
I actually think he has become more comical with age. There are enough sane and serious commentators in the game of cricket. Please let Ramiz be Ramiz!
 
"I'd give that out too, but hawkeye is such a spoilsport" : Ramiz after replays showed the ball was going down the leg-side.
 
Ramiz always goes overboard with his negative remarks in-regards to Pakistan when a non-Pakistani is co-commentating. He tries too hard to seem neutral but spouts absolute rubbish. Good thing my mute button works :facepalm:
 
Rameez said that Shaheen turned 19 a few days ago, then later says that he was wrong, and he actually turns 19 in April. How did he get that wrong?
 
Rameez is trying too hard to be cool.
Bazid sounds like he’s bitten his tongue.
Waqar pronounces every word with a “ow” sound, e.g “brilliant yowker from ...”
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Rameez is trying too hard to be cool.
Bazid sounds like he’s bitten his tongue.
Waqar pronounces every word with a “ow” sound, e.g “brilliant yowker from ...”
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Waqar always did that when he was sitting next to English and Australian commentators

It's like he's on the phone to someone important and the accent changes to sound more posh :))
 
Goodness gracious seems to be the new go to phrase for Rameez. truly awful commentator. I mean in my list Bhogle has always ranked last, but Rameez is worse because he should know better, as an ex-cricketer.
 
Waqar has way better insight when they are analysing. Paired with a good english speaking commentator he plays the analyst role really well..even imparts some *** bits here and there..yes his english isnt that great but he is only a boy from Burewala so what do you expect?

Ramiz is mr cliche. His own youtube channel is wayyy better..I just feel he clams up in the commentary box..Nasser and co get the best out of him because they have nailed the balance between casual conversation and serious analysis..
 
freelance_cricketer said:
For a cricket crazy nation Pakistan is very poorly represented in commentary and talk shows by its ex players and media personalities.
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Their experts/ex-players are all busy bashing the current players or each other on the gamut of sports programmes Pakistan have on TV every night.

Ramiz Raja has stayed clear of all this and has been a net positive for the image of Pakistan cricket around the world for us neutrals.
 
Varun said:
Their experts/ex-players are all busy bashing the current players or each other on the gamut of sports programmes Pakistan have on TV every night.

Ramiz Raja has stayed clear of all this and has been a net positive for the image of Pakistan cricket around the world for us neutrals.
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Not to be taken offense to but IQ level of most Pakistani cricketers post the generation of Wasim Akram seems very low. The talent has dropped dramatically but also worrying to see severe lack of personality and social skills in modern day Pakistani cricketers.

Bangladesh cricket has more personality and charisma than Pakistan cricket and i never imagined that day would come.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Not to be taken offense to but IQ level of most Pakistani cricketers post the generation of Wasim Akram seems very low. The talent has dropped dramatically but also worrying to see severe lack of personality and social skills in modern day Pakistani cricketers.

Bangladesh cricket has more personality and charisma than Pakistan cricket and i never imagined that day would come.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]
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These jobs comes from your passion, don't think your playing career has anything to do with it. Arlott or Cardas hardly played cricket, neither Pelham Warner or PAK's own Omar Quarishi. You need to follow the game, know players and link dots while commenting with facts and past examples, so that viewers can make a story out of the situation - otherwise anyone good in English can describe what is happening in middle like a robot.

I don't think these days people are interested to listen "beaten by out swinger", "cut to deep point for 1", because they can see it. When I used to hear ABC cricket commentary, it was like visualizing a thriller over radio when Benaud, Lawry, Tony or IC used to elaborate a "situation" - it stressed the imagination of audience. The best thing they could do is, describe a situation and forecast something that happen or a tactical analysis of any event, from which you can draw a conclusion. If you ever had listened a pitch report by Benaud, Jeremy Coney or Tony, you probably can see the difference on usual rant these days (in fact not rant - now they finishes in in 2 lines). Gavaskar was Star Sport's anchor for 1992 WC, and I can proudly say - I learned, lot, lot about the game from that one month - how the skills of the game can be described through a tactical landscape.

Rameez's (or any PAK commi) problem is they sound absolute clueless when taking about anything else than what we are watching in tv. I know, he gets over excited and his English doesn't help him much, but the amount of knowledge Ather Ali possess about BD cricket and cricketers, one has to be surprised; while Shamim Choudhury (probably lives in between Dhaka - Toronto now), spends lots of time reading cricket books - these things help as commentator than what you did as cricketer or achieved as a team member.

Rameez is actually better, probably best among recent PAK commis, because at least he can speak fluent English, and can manage his stumbles :(. WY is perfectly matching his Captaincy & Coaching days with mouthpiece at hand.
 
The best modern-day commentators are the likes of Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton - simply because they don't try to overdo the humour, because they know their stuff when it comes to technical aspects of the game and more importantly they don't talk just for the sake of it and only speak when they have something of value to say.

Unfortunately the likes of Rameez and plenty of other commentators are earning good money despite being very mediocre commentators.
 
MMHS said:
These jobs comes from your passion, don't think your playing career has anything to do with it. Arlott or Cardas hardly played cricket, neither Pelham Warner or PAK's own Omar Quarishi. You need to follow the game, know players and link dots while commenting with facts and past examples, so that viewers can make a story out of the situation - otherwise anyone good in English can describe what is happening in middle like a robot.

I don't think these days people are interested to listen "beaten by out swinger", "cut to deep point for 1", because they can see it. When I used to hear ABC cricket commentary, it was like visualizing a thriller over radio when Benaud, Lawry, Tony or IC used to elaborate a "situation" - it stressed the imagination of audience. The best thing they could do is, describe a situation and forecast something that happen or a tactical analysis of any event, from which you can draw a conclusion. If you ever had listened a pitch report by Benaud, Jeremy Coney or Tony, you probably can see the difference on usual rant these days (in fact not rant - now they finishes in in 2 lines). Gavaskar was Star Sport's anchor for 1992 WC, and I can proudly say - I learned, lot, lot about the game from that one month - how the skills of the game can be described through a tactical landscape.

Rameez's (or any PAK commi) problem is they sound absolute clueless when taking about anything else than what we are watching in tv. I know, he gets over excited and his English doesn't help him much, but the amount of knowledge Ather Ali possess about BD cricket and cricketers, one has to be surprised; while Shamim Choudhury (probably lives in between Dhaka - Toronto now), spends lots of time reading cricket books - these things help as commentator than what you did as cricketer or achieved as a team member.

Rameez is actually better, probably best among recent PAK commis, because at least he can speak fluent English, and can manage his stumbles :(. WY is perfectly matching his Captaincy & Coaching days with mouthpiece at hand.
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I am fearing India might be going the Pakistan route. The intellect level of this generation of Indian cricketers is the lowest. Starting from captain Kohli himself, the team is mostly paendoo. I doubt apart from probably Ashwin anyone's ever read a book in their life out of school. They try to hide their illiteracy through expensive accessories and fancy cars but that's that.

Its got much to do with cricket rightfully spreading its roots to smaller Indian cities/lower middle class families.

Till 2000s Indian fast bowlers apologized to batsmen if they hit them. This is how gentle Indian cricket was. Nowdays these villagers smile and walk away shamelessly.

In about 10 years time Indian cricket could also go 100@ paendoo
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I am fearing India might be going the Pakistan route. The intellect level of this generation of Indian cricketers is the lowest. Starting from captain Kohli himself, the team is mostly paendoo. I doubt apart from probably Ashwin anyone's ever read a book in their life out of school. They try to hide their illiteracy through expensive accessories and fancy cars but that's that.

Its got much to do with cricket rightfully spreading its roots to smaller Indian cities/lower middle class families.

Till 2000s Indian fast bowlers apologized to batsmen if they hit them. This is how gentle Indian cricket was. Nowdays these villagers smile and walk away shamelessly.

In about 10 years time Indian cricket could also go 100@ paendoo
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Cricket is an intellectual's game - not that you need an MBA or Masters, but reading habit is extremely important to master the tricks & tactics of this game. Overall education level of IND-PAK cricketers are falling down alarmingly. Probably, there is lot more money these days hence players leave studies may be at high school level. A generation or two back, look at the number of highly qualified IND-PAK cricketers

IND: Pataudi, Wadekar, Vishi, Gavaskar, Srinath, Kumble, Kirmani, Jaishima, Venkat, Prassanna, Chandra, Srikkanth .... and I am not even considering Shastri, Manjrekar, Amarnath, Binney, Madan, Azhar and many more who completed at least undergrad (BA/BCom/BSc).

PAK: Kardar, Imran, Intekhab, Mazid, Asif, Raza (both brothers), Saeed, Asif Muztaba, Latif, Sikandar Bakhth, Asif Masood, Haroon Rashid .... and similarly many, many undergrads.

One of our advantage is, still there is an University level National tournament happening where even National cricketers can play & keep studying, and the National Sports Academy (Part of it's is NCA) is a sort of Cadet College, where trainees can complete up to graduation and probably Masters in few subjects via co-learning programs with attached Universities.

Being rude, aggressive or arrogant in field probably is a personality trait and depends lot on your upbringing - how you are taught by your parents & elder siblings through your younger ages. MSD is a billionaire mega star and I doubt he has gone beyond high school level, but one of the most polished cricketers around, so was Tendulkar (with lesser academic education). While, even with or without any education Mazid Khan will always be Mazid Khan in every era.
 
Like commentating in football, commies in the past werent necesarily players A lot of them came from outside playing cricket because the two are different and distinct careers and dont correlate

Hence In the past you had commies who took the art seriously They had to have a personailty and a voice for tv and radio They werd educated, studied journalism and reporting, they undertook reading literature and history They carried out an apprentice from the best and presented on radio etc where you have to convey the art of story telling

They didnt just have good english or move from playing to the box which the likes of ramiz have done
 
How is Ramiz better than evenBazid? Bazid may be boring as hell but at least he offers some good insights. Ramiz lacks technical knowledge and makes a fool out of himself.
 
Ramiz was a big upgrade for us. If you guys remember we used to have Sikandar Bakht...
 
He's improved a bit in recent times but does not know when to be quiet. Sometimes you just let the play do the talking. Don't need the fake and forced hype commentary behind it.
 
Waqar gets a lot of unnecessary stick. Sure his English isn't perfect, but at least he has something to say (even if you disagree).
 
I was eager to see much hyped Ramiz's presentation and I think he was brilliant.

ATG commentator IMO.
 
Ball hit sarfaraz's shoulder while sweeping. NZ appealed for LBW.

Rameez : "the leg needs to be before wicket to be given out, not the body"

Waqar : "you can still be given out if the body is in front of wickets"
 
Madplayer said:
Ball hit sarfaraz's shoulder while sweeping. NZ appealed for LBW.

Rameez : "the leg needs to be before wicket to be given out, not the body"

Waqar : "you can still be given out if the body is in front of wickets"
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Is this serious? Ramiz has been involved in cricket for 40 yrz including 15 years of playing at the highest level and thinks this??
 
40 mins of play SA commentators just talking about SA nothing on opposition, in comes rambo ul think he will talk strategy etc about HIS team... But NO starts talking about Bavumas technique etc just to please his paymasters... waste of resource.
 
The South African comms are asking Ramiz questions about Pakistani players and Pakistan cricket. The answers are making me cringe.
 
What other options we have? Bazid, A. Sohail, Waqar ?

He can at least make the game exciting with his commentary.
 
Saj said:
The South African comms are asking Ramiz questions about Pakistani players and Pakistan cricket. The answers are making me cringe.
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Yesterday they asked him about Amir and what work was done on him in domestic cricket recently. Rambo was clueless and said that they worked on his fitness :facepalm:

Also, one time he said something like, "you gotta remain lucky on tough pitches" and this was him speaking quite seriously.
 
He is just a commentator who has no knowledge of whats happening in pakistan domestic cricket and often times mis pronounce the names of pakistan players.
 
At post match analysis yesterday about Babar innings
Ramiz “ yeah I mean he is in good touch he got his first 100 against Australia and a 90 odd “
 
He just mentions what is obvious nothing really interesting or any kind of analysis
 
Madplayer said:
Yesterday they asked him about Amir and what work was done on him in domestic cricket recently. Rambo was clueless and said that they worked on his fitness :facepalm:

Also, one time he said something like, "you gotta remain lucky on tough pitches" and this was him speaking quite seriously.
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No research. No thought. No insight.
 
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