[VIDEO] Shahid Afridi clarifies controversial remarks regarding Kashmir

[Hitman]

Former Pakistan international cricketer Shahid Afridi, who has a penchant for wading into controversial topics, has given a lesson to Prime Minister Imran Khan on the Kashmir dispute. Speaking in London, the United Kingdom, at a press meet, Afridi said Pakistan should not be demanding Kashmir as it was not able to handle even the four provinces it has.

“Pakistan doesn't need Kashmir; it is not able to even handle the four provinces it has,” Afridi can be heard in a video of the press interaction.

However, while admitting that Pakistan had failed in its efforts to keep the country united and safe from extremists, the former cricketer ranted that people were dying in Kashmir and it pains to see that happen.

“Say Pakistan doesn't need Kashmir, don't give it to India as well, let Kashmir become a country. The people dying there should not die, humanity should stay alive. It pains to see people die there,” he told the press.

Afridi made the remarks ignoring a well-established fact that terrorism in Kashmir and the rest of India is being covertly sponsored by Pakistan and it has repeatedly been condemned by the international community for the same. Several terrorist groups active in India like the Lashkar-e-Toiba and the Jaish-e-Mohammed operate from Pakistani soil, their chiefs like Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Masood etc can be seen openly roaming the streets and giving provocative speeches.

It is not the first time that Afridi has commented on the Kashmir issue and also tried to provoke India. Earlier this year too, he had tweeted on the matter in April.

“Appalling and worrisome situation ongoing in the Indian Occupied Kashmir. Innocents being shot down by oppressive regime to clamp voice of self determination & independence. Wonder where is the @UN & other int bodies & why aren’t they making efforts to stop this bloodshed?” he had written on the social media platform.

Ahmad Faruqui, a Pakistani expert on national security issues, writes in the Pakistani newspaper Daily Times that "From the beginning, Pakistan’s strategic culture has been dominated by Kashmir." He quotes from Anatol Lieven's book “Pakistan: A Hard Country” that calls Kashmir as Pakistan's single-minded obsession that has defined the (Pakistani) army’s “whole character and worldview.” Faruqui also quotes the book saying that "...the pursuit of Kashmir has done terrible damage to Pakistan, and could destroy Pakistan altogether."

Link: https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...vinces-balochistan-punjab-sindh-khyber/313780

 

[Azmi]

It is sanity to solve the problem of Kashmir according to the wishes of the People, and stop the hostilities as people are already facing too much hardships. They need peace to prosper and progress.

 

[Pakistanian]

He's uneducated and thinks with his emotions. I don't get statements like his, he has no understanding of how a federation is supposed to work. Kashmir like any province would have to take care of itself, big government shouldn't be repsonsible.

 

[the Great Khan]

Afridi is a street urchin who came good. He has no knowledge about anything..

We can easily integrate Kashmir into Pakistan. Azad Kashmir/Gilgit baltistan is peaceful and the populace is relatively happy. They are better educated then other parts of pakistan and contribute to a positive discourse within the country. Unlike Indian occupied kashmir where rape murder and pillage is common, azad kashmir is heaven..

 

[gazza619]

Oh my God. Afridi please think twice before speaking!

 

[Rana]

Very poor statements. This will only hurt the the sentiments of the Indian occupied Kashmiris who believe they are struggling on a daily basis to be liberated by India and protected by Pakistan.

It is a myth to believe Kashmir as a country will survive on its own amidst India and Pakistan. Ex Pakistani and Indian cricketers really should know better than touching upon this topic. It isn't in their power or influence to change decisions that are made at an elite military and Governmental level, therefore they should not incite the naive public on such delicate matters.

 

[JaDed]

It's common to take u turn nowadays,so let's jus wait.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

It's common to take u turn nowadays,so let's jus wait.

Openning salvo for a political career it seems to me..... like the cricketer turned spokesman for India across the border.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I’m sure that Socrates and Platos on this forum have a better solution.

 

[Ummii]

What's really wrong with it? I mean seriously? Ek taraf hum kehte hain Kashmiriyon ko unka huqooq denge bd me unki marzi k Pakistan mein Shamil ho ya apna alag mulk bnaen and dosri taraf ye baat chubti hai jb koi kahe Kashmir Pakistan ka nhi.

I'm not a big fan of Afridi but there is nothing wrong with this statement, he didn't give any green signal to India either. He is telling what is really truth. I've got several Kashmiri friends and trust me they don't want to be a part of India and they don't want to be a part of Pakistan as well. I know it's good to hear that nara Kashmir bnega Pakistan but TBH I don't want to see people of Kashmir unhappy with Pakistan IF THEY WANT A SEPARATE COUNTRY THEN NOTHING IS WRONG WITH IT.

 

[the Great Khan]

I’m sure that Socrates and Platos on this forum have a better solution.

since your the only plato/socrates on this forum how about enlightening us?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Waiting for Gambhir's reaction on this.

 

[Greenstorm]

He is spending too much time with Saleem Safi I guess.

 

[DRsohail]

Trying to become Imran khan but becoming Umar Akmal.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My comments are being misconstrued by Indian media! I'm passionate about my country and greatly value the struggles of Kashmiris. Humanity must prevail and they should get their rights.</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1062694991850627074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My clip is incomplete & out of context as what I said before that is missing.Kashmir is unresolved dispute & under brutal Indian occupation. It must be resolved as per UN resolution. Myself along with every Pakistani support Kashmiri freedom struggle. Kashmir belongs to Pakistan.</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1062703416017854464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[humzy]

Link: https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...vinces-balochistan-punjab-sindh-khyber/313780

Whoever wrote this article is annoying. The bias is blatant.

Afridi is right for once. Pakistan is one of the least developed countries in the world and they want to bring in a new province.

 

[saeedhk]

Afridi is spot on for once. We do not need to add anymore people to our population. Let’s take care of the people in areas under our control before talking about Kashmir.

 

[Pakistanian]

Afridi is spot on for once. We do not need to add anymore people to our population. Let’s take care of the people in areas under our control before talking about Kashmir.

You're adding more land with the people, you're also adding more resources like water and tourism. In a real federation one city or state/province isn't supposed to take care of the rest, they're supposed to manage their own affairs.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Kashmir doesn't belong to India or Pakistan, let Kashmiris decide what they want. If they want a separate country, so be it. Ultimately boils down to the will of the people, they should have the freedom of choice.

 

[Salma_T]

Very poor statements. This will only hurt the the sentiments of the Indian occupied Kashmiris who believe they are struggling on a daily basis to be liberated by India and protected by Pakistan.

It is a myth to believe Kashmir as a country will survive on its own amidst India and Pakistan. Ex Pakistani and Indian cricketers really should know better than touching upon this topic. It isn't in their power or influence to change decisions that are made at an elite military and Governmental level, therefore they should not incite the naive public on such delicate matters.

Why can't it? How can Palestine survive as an independent nation with a neighbour like Israel it should just join Jordan or any other Muslim nation.

It should be up to the people of Kashmir all of it to decide it's fate.

 

[Salma_T]

Why should India or Pakistan dictate what happens to them? Is that any different to what the British did a half baked job of in 1947.

Africa has hurt fragile Pakistanis (like Hamilton has hurt Indians) and therefore made a u turn but he is right (cannot believe I am agreeing with him). Would Pakistan be able to absorb all of Kashmir and it's people with all the issues of being basically under occupation by a state army? Did Pakistan fall apart when east Pakistan gained independence?

 

[CricketCartoons]

It should be up to the people .... to decide it's fate.

Don't think it should be left to people. The best thing that happened to india was the coming of the british, and the worst was their departure. if they had not left and india was still a jewel in the crown, we would be more developed by now. It is time indians start preparing for British Raj 2.0 and summon our ex rulers to bring real governance and development to their ex subjects.

 

[Varun]

Don't think it should be left to people. The best thing that happened to india was the coming of the british, and the worst was their departure. if they had not left and india was still a jewel in the crown, we would be more developed by now. It is time indians start preparing for British Raj 2.0 and summon our ex rulers to bring real governance and development to their ex subjects.

Too bad we voted for a Brexit in 1947.

 

[MenInG]

this is video which is causing the issue

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https://youtu.be/bW70PHxixLc

 

[CricketCartoons]

Too bad we voted for a Brexit in 1947.

not just bad..but the worst event in india's entire history. other invaders came to loot the wealth and then spend the money on their indulgences, but the british built institutions which serve us to this day. it was them who started excavating indias old heritage, digging up old literature in sanskrit and persian, bringing scientific temper and technology and modern education to backward indians still living in the past. unfortunate that they were forced to leave and now we have indians ruling who have messed up the great potential we have. churchill was right.

 

[BreadPakoda]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My comments are being misconstrued by Indian media! I'm passionate about my country and greatly value the struggles of Kashmiris. Humanity must prevail and they should get their rights.</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1062694991850627074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My clip is incomplete & out of context as what I said before that is missing.Kashmir is unresolved dispute & under brutal Indian occupation. It must be resolved as per UN resolution. Myself along with every Pakistani support Kashmiri freedom struggle. Kashmir belongs to Pakistan.</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1062703416017854464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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What a u-turn.

 

[MenInG]

this is video which is causing the issue

[utube]bW70PHxixLc[/utube]

https://youtu.be/bW70PHxixLc

2 opposing takes:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I don’t get what sections of the Indian media are celebrating WRT <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShahidAfridi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShahidAfridi</a>’s statement. Forget what he said about Pakistan’s 4 provinces, the byte I saw clearly had him supporting freedom for Kashmir & criticising human rights violations so how is that a victory for India?</p>— Omar Abdullah (@OmarAbdullah) <a href="https://twitter.com/OmarAbdullah/status/1062728429999677440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will strongly urge <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShahidAfridi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShahidAfridi</a> NOT to peddle into domains that do not belong to him. His comments of "freedom" are an absolute insult to millions of Kashmiris who fight, die & are buried every day for the last 70 years for this Green Crescented flag! <a href="https://t.co/zIx3uvX87F">pic.twitter.com/zIx3uvX87F</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1062744086543822849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[saeedhk]

You're adding more land with the people, you're also adding more resources like water and tourism. In a real federation one city or state/province isn't supposed to take care of the rest, they're supposed to manage their own affairs.

Land even with abundant resources mean nothing for a country like Pakistan with massive corruption and whatnot.

Balouchistan has huge natural resources. Have the fortunes of Balouchis changed?

 

[hisham_ashraf]

Both Indians and Pakistanis have been offended with what Afridi said.Only Kashmiris seem to be agree with what he said.

 

[Rana]

Why can't it? How can Palestine survive as an independent nation with a neighbour like Israel it should just join Jordan or any other Muslim nation.

It should be up to the people of Kashmir all of it to decide it's fate.

Palastine is surviving? So the people of Kashmir who do not have an Army instead of trained insurgent freedom fighters, no real economy to decide their own fate amidst two nuclear countries who could exploit its resources? How is that independence by any means?

 

[Salma_T]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] my point is people talk about the 2 state solution to resolve the Palestine issue, how will a fully independent Palestine survive? Did Bangladesh have an army at the time of its independence? Kashmir has bargaining power with both nations water supply.......so it is actually the interest of both nations to keep a good relationship. It is a pipe dream but it can be done if that is what the people who live there want.

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] my point is people talk about the 2 state solution to resolve the Palestine issue, how will a fully independent Palestine survive? Did Bangladesh have an army at the time of its independence? Kashmir has bargaining power with both nations water supply.......so it is actually the interest of both nations to keep a good relationship. It is a pipe dream but it can be done if that is what the people who live there want.

OK with Kashmir....

Lets say they win their independence and use this water supply theory as their bargaining tool for longevity as an Independent state, what is to say that a few years along the line either India or Pakistan will not apply the US formula of getting a full monopoly without any negotiations of that Water supply through the use of armed force and Invasion? Who is going to stop the invaders and who is going to protect the Kashmiris?

 

[Salma_T]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] I don't know but you argument of powerful/hostile neighbours and no army has applied to other nations too but they have survived.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

OK with Kashmir....

Lets say they win their independence and use this water supply theory as their bargaining tool for longevity as an Independent state, what is to say that a few years along the line either India or Pakistan will not apply the US formula of getting a full monopoly without any negotiations of that Water supply through the use of armed force and Invasion? Who is going to stop the invaders and who is going to protect the Kashmiris?

How are Nepal and Bhutan surviving? Two Himalayan countries sandwiched between huge rivals. They don't even have "water bargaining" available to them. Heck, Bhutan is deliberately one of the most closed countries to outsiders.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Both Indians and Pakistanis have been offended with what Afridi said.Only Kashmiris seem to be agree with what he said.

As a Kashmiri I am offended, as I want all of Kashmir to join Pakistan, but that's my subjective view.

 

[Abdullah719]

'What he said is true': Rajnath Singh on Shahid Afridi's Kashmir remark

Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh on Thursday backed former Pakistani cricket captain Shahid Afridi's remarks over Kashmir. Speaking to reporters, Rajnath Singh said, "What Shahid Afridi said was true. They cannot even manage their own country. How will they manage Kashmir. Kashmir has been always a part of India and will continue to remain so".

https://www.indiatvnews.com/amp/new...ingh-on-shahid-afridi-s-kashmir-remark-482863

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^ Way to miss the point

 

[Syed1]

Can Shahid Afridi just shut his gob and fade away in history?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

'What he said is true': Rajnath Singh on Shahid Afridi's Kashmir remark

Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh on Thursday backed former Pakistani cricket captain Shahid Afridi's remarks over Kashmir. Speaking to reporters, Rajnath Singh said, "What Shahid Afridi said was true. They cannot even manage their own country. How will they manage Kashmir. Kashmir has been always a part of India and will continue to remain so".

https://www.indiatvnews.com/amp/new...ingh-on-shahid-afridi-s-kashmir-remark-482863

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^ Way to miss the point

) Indian public fooled this easily?

 

[Rana]

How are Nepal and Bhutan surviving? Two Himalayan countries sandwiched between huge rivals. They don't even have "water bargaining" available to them. Heck, Bhutan is deliberately one of the most closed countries to outsiders.

Is Nepal and Bhutan a land of dispute though? Kashmir and its water supply definetly is a land of severe dispute. And who says Nepal and Bhutan are not paying a certain amount of money either to the UN or to India for their protection?

 

[Thomaskutty]

Credit to Afridi for this. I didn't think he was capable of this sort of wisdom or that he could articulate in a clear, concise manner the folly of his countrymen.

Save your country from collapse first.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Is Nepal and Bhutan a land of dispute though? Kashmir and its water supply definetly is a land of severe dispute. And who says Nepal and Bhutan are not paying a certain amount of money either to the UN or to India for their protection?

The premise is that, can Kashmir survive on its own as an independent nation. But independent Kashmir can only come about with a negotiated settlement with India and Pakistan. Where then, does this threat of invasion come from, when both India and Pakistan will be part of the treaty guaranteeing independence for Kashmir.

 

[Syed1]

) Indian public fooled this easily?

I mean they wholeheartedly believed in the sir-ji-kal strikes so this is hardly surprising

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Credit to Afridi for this. I didn't think he was capable of this sort of wisdom or that he could articulate in a clear, concise manner the folly of his countrymen.

Save your country from collapse first.

Got the answer to my question ....Indeed they are easily fooled )

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I mean they wholeheartedly believed in the sir-ji-kal strikes so this is hardly surprising

Funny thing is, our ancestral land straddles the sector where they reportedly happened.... the Indians have ceded territory in that area.... strategic withdrawal maybe

 

[MenInG]

Dont think Afridi should speak on this issue if he cannot express himself clearly.

 

[Pakistanian]

Credit to Afridi for this. I didn't think he was capable of this sort of wisdom or that he could articulate in a clear, concise manner the folly of his countrymen.

Save your country from collapse first.

He changed his statement, I bet you agree with this

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My comments are being misconstrued by Indian media! I'm passionate about my country and greatly value the struggles of Kashmiris. Humanity must prevail and they should get their rights.</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1062694991850627074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My clip is incomplete & out of context as what I said before that is missing.Kashmir is unresolved dispute & under brutal Indian occupation. It must be resolved as per UN resolution. Myself along with every Pakistani support Kashmiri freedom struggle. Kashmir belongs to Pakistan.</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1062703416017854464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Respect him for supporting a just cause.

 

[Salma_T]

Credit to Afridi for this. I didn't think he was capable of this sort of wisdom or that he could articulate in a clear, concise manner the folly of his countrymen.

Save your country from collapse first.

Love how Indians are only emphasising on part of his statement related to Pakistan yet forgetting where he mentioned human rights abuses by India. Very selective memory but what should anyone be surprised.

 

[greatest]

Can Shahid Afridi just shut his gob and fade away in history?

What surprised me more was that he was addressing students at the British parliament. I'm sure all these well educated students would not have taken a dim and brainless guy like Afridi seriously.

And can't we educated Pakistanis who blindly support him and invite him to lecture or address students find some other well educated and successful Pakistani for their events. What brilliance do they find in him. Is he a role-model material!. A below average player and a person with a limited IQ.

 

[PakLFC]

We should pay no attention to a semi literate man like Shahid Afridi He just wants to remain relevant so deliberately makes ignorant remarks every now and again. We are talking about a man who doesn't even know his real age!! One day the is 28 then the next 27!! He has no knowledge of the Kashmir quagmire at all. Just remember how immaturely he played Cricket to get some perspective over how stupid he is! I recall him how Indian fans have attacked him over the years over many incidents and now suddenly his word has become Gospel truth to them!!

 

[Salma_T]

So are Kashmiris not suffering human rights abuses? That is a factually correct statement. He probably has a slight re Pakistan too...

 

[MenInG]

Afridi finding strange friends!


MUMBAI: The Shiv Sena on Friday reacted on former Pakistani cricketer Shahid Afridi's remarks that his country "does not want Kashmir" and said all sane Pakistanis would endorse the view.
The Sena, in an editorial in its mouthpiece 'Saamana', said Pakistan's government and military chief gave more impetus on trying to harm India than governing the country as a result of which it has to seek external financial aid even 70 years after Independence.

In a video that has gone viral, Mr Afridi is heard saying, "I believe that Pakistan does not want Kashmir, and India too should not be given the state. Kashmir should be an independent country."

He went on add that "humanity" or "insaniyat" should be prioritised.

In a swipe at the affairs of his own country battling financial woes and sectarian strife, the Pakistani all-rounder added, "Pakistan can't handle its four provinces".

Mr Afridi later blamed the Indian media for quoting him.

The Sena's editorial Friday stated, "Pakistan has become so poor in trying to support terrorism and corruption that it now is left with only the option of selling cattle and vehicles from the Prime Minister's residence."

It claimed that Pakistan was on the verge of a financial breakdown and it had been relegated to begging for a bailout from countries like China, after the International Monetary Fund (IMF) turned down its aid request.

"If the country needs financial oxygen to keep its economy going, alive, how will it take care of Kashmir? Not just Afridi, every sane Pakistani will hold the same view. However, who asks the common man there?" the editorial questioned.

"The government and the military chief there give more impetus on harming India than doing good for its people. Therefore, they have to beg for aid even 70 years after Independence," it said.

The Sena further dubbed Mr Afridi as "anti-Indian" and said he has, in the past, made derogatory statements against India.

Citing examples, it said Mr Afridi had shown a soft corner for 13 terrorists eliminated by Indian security forces, and has been repeatedly advocating Independence for Kashmir.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/eve...ena-on-shahid-afridis-kashmir-comment-1948330

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Afridi is a street urchin who came good. He has no knowledge about anything..

We can easily integrate Kashmir into Pakistan. Azad Kashmir/Gilgit baltistan is peaceful and the populace is relatively happy. They are better educated then other parts of pakistan and contribute to a positive discourse within the country. Unlike Indian occupied kashmir where rape murder and pillage is common, azad kashmir is heaven..

Absolutely. You took the words from my mouth. Motormouth idiot Afridi has no clue and later changed his statements under pressure

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

What's really wrong with it? I mean seriously? Ek taraf hum kehte hain Kashmiriyon ko unka huqooq denge bd me unki marzi k Pakistan mein Shamil ho ya apna alag mulk bnaen and dosri taraf ye baat chubti hai jb koi kahe Kashmir Pakistan ka nhi.

I'm not a big fan of Afridi but there is nothing wrong with this statement, he didn't give any green signal to India either. He is telling what is really truth. I've got several Kashmiri friends and trust me they don't want to be a part of India and they don't want to be a part of Pakistan as well. I know it's good to hear that nara Kashmir bnega Pakistan but TBH I don't want to see people of Kashmir unhappy with Pakistan IF THEY WANT A SEPARATE COUNTRY THEN NOTHING IS WRONG WITH IT.

Kashmir valley maybe...but Afridi should realise that GB, AJK are part of disputed territory and that’s where IK will be building a dam! (GB)

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

As a Kashmiri I am offended, as I want all of Kashmir to join Pakistan, but that's my subjective view.

Me too. I’m offended by him

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Why should India or Pakistan dictate what happens to them? Is that any different to what the British did a half baked job of in 1947.

Africa has hurt fragile Pakistanis (like Hamilton has hurt Indians) and therefore made a u turn but he is right (cannot believe I am agreeing with him). Would Pakistan be able to absorb all of Kashmir and it's people with all the issues of being basically under occupation by a state army? Did Pakistan fall apart when east Pakistan gained independence?

Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir are staunch pro Pakistan.

Large parts of Kashmir valley are staunch pro Pakistan (independence narrative is mainly in capital Srinagar which makes most of the headlines)

Places in Jammu district like Doda, Bhaderwah, Rajouri are pro Pak...even those who joined NC parties said they are pro Pak but had to join to counter BJP for local politics.

So yes, let the people decide...but please have some knowledge about Kashmir valley especially where I have many many friends and am in daily contact, rather than the rhetoric on social media.

Pakistan can absorb Kashmir valley and Muslim areas of Jammu. No issues with that, so please don’t worry.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Dont think Afridi should speak on this issue if he cannot express himself clearly.

Clueless from him much like his batting temperament

 

[Hitman]

Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir are staunch pro Pakistan.

Large parts of Kashmir valley are staunch pro Pakistan (independence narrative is mainly in capital Srinagar which makes most of the headlines)

Places in Jammu district like Doda, Bhaderwah, Rajouri are pro Pak...even those who joined NC parties said they are pro Pak but had to join to counter BJP for local politics.

So yes, let the people decide...but please have some knowledge about Kashmir valley especially where I have many many friends and am in daily contact, rather than the rhetoric on social media.

Pakistan can absorb Kashmir valley and Muslim areas of Jammu. No issues with that, so please don’t worry.

Will you move back to Kashmir from the U.K. if Kashmir merges with Pakistan?

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Will you move back to Kashmir from the U.K. if Kashmir merges with Pakistan?

If my wife agrees to it, then I would have no hesitation and would love to Srinagar

 

[Salma_T]

Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir are staunch pro Pakistan.

Large parts of Kashmir valley are staunch pro Pakistan (independence narrative is mainly in capital Srinagar which makes most of the headlines)

Places in Jammu district like Doda, Bhaderwah, Rajouri are pro Pak...even those who joined NC parties said they are pro Pak but had to join to counter BJP for local politics.

So yes, let the people decide...but please have some knowledge about Kashmir valley especially where I have many many friends and am in daily contact, rather than the rhetoric on social media.

Pakistan can absorb Kashmir valley and Muslim areas of Jammu. No issues with that, so please don’t worry.

Just did a quick check on population numbers.....can Pakistan absorb another near 17/18 million people (12.5 is from Jammu Kashmir and the rest are quasi Pakistan already ÀJK and GB.

 

[gazza619]

Just did a quick check on population numbers.....can Pakistan absorb another near 17/18 million people (12.5 is from Jammu Kashmir and the rest are quasi Pakistan already ÀJK and GB.

Yes Pakistan can.

 

[Salma_T]

Will create another wave of "mohajjirs" or othering of these people? I have not been back for 20 yrs.....but I have heard in the past AJK number plate holders get harrased more by the police (if this is incorrect I stand corrected)

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Will create another wave of "mohajjirs" or othering of these people? I have not been back for 20 yrs.....but I have heard in the past AJK number plate holders get harrased more by the police (if this is incorrect I stand corrected)

Sorry but how uninformed are you? Millions of refugees? Do explain why there will be a new wave of "Mohajir". How does one become a refugee in your own country?

Do you classify yourself as a brit/Kashmiri mohajir in Australia?

 

[Pakistanian]

Just did a quick check on population numbers.....can Pakistan absorb another near 17/18 million people (12.5 is from Jammu Kashmir and the rest are quasi Pakistan already ÀJK and GB.

AJK and GB are pretty much Pakistan at this point, so it's only adding 12.5 million more people BUT much more land and resources like rivers.

Also Pakistan not have to add 12.5 million, the Dogri Hindu majority areas in Jammu and some Buddhist areas in Ladakh can stay in India, so it's essentially only adding like 6-7 million people.

 

[Pakistanian]

Will create another wave of "mohajjirs" or othering of these people? I have not been back for 20 yrs.....but I have heard in the past AJK number plate holders get harrased more by the police (if this is incorrect I stand corrected)

See the distinction between somebody from AJK and Punjab is artifical, you guys speak similar languages and much closer to each other than to a Kashmiri, so other than the license how else are Mirpuri/Pahari people discriminated against. I descend from actual Kashmiri-speaking emigres in Punjab that came from Srinagar and I know for a fact my family and our forefathers weren't discriminated against. Can't help AJK people with their identity crisis.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Just did a quick check on population numbers.....can Pakistan absorb another near 17/18 million people (12.5 is from Jammu Kashmir and the rest are quasi Pakistan already ÀJK and GB.

It wouldn’t be 12.5 million as the Muslim areas of Jammu (2 million: Rajouri, Ramban, Kishtwar, Doda) and Kashmir valley (7 million) would join us as a part of Pakistan.

It’s not a huge area but we can certainly absorb them. There wouldn’t be any issues...the people would be happy and Pakistanis would welcome them!

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

See the distinction between somebody from AJK and Punjab is artifical, you guys speak similar languages and much closer to each other than to a Kashmiri, so other than the license how else are Mirpuri/Pahari people discriminated against. I descend from actual Kashmiri-speaking emigres in Punjab that came from Srinagar and I know for a fact my family and our forefathers weren't discriminated against. Can't help AJK people with their identity crisis.

Fully agree! The police thing, if true, is a minor deal...the people in AJK live a fantastic life with dignity. People in AJK are proud to be Pakistani and love our country.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

AJK and GB are pretty much Pakistan at this point, so it's only adding 12.5 million more people BUT much more land and resources like rivers.

Also Pakistan not have to add 12.5 million, the Dogri Hindu majority areas in Jammu and some Buddhist areas in Ladakh can stay in India, so it's essentially only adding like 6-7 million people.

9 million (7 from Kashmir valley, 2 from Jammu districts) plus any from Kargil area too.

 

[Salma_T]

So still looking to split Kashmir along religious lines. I don't think it will ever happen in my life time anyway but i think the whole AJK and GB are very happy with Pakistan etc maybe not be 100% true either. What is the level of investment in those places (again not been for 20 yrs so cannot comment on personal experience)

 

[Pakistanian]

So still looking to split Kashmir along religious lines. I don't think it will ever happen in my life time anyway but i think the whole AJK and GB are very happy with Pakistan etc maybe not be 100% true either. What is the level of investment in those places (again not been for 20 yrs so cannot comment on personal experience)

What does investment have anything to do with people wanting to be part of a federation? If you base an alliance off monetary value then it's gonna fail once it loses it values and that's why countries are made from common values and geography.

EDIT: Kashmir isn't splitting off religious lines since all of Kashmir is Muslim, only Jammu splits off along religion lines.

 

[Salma_T]

Kashmir has Hindus and Buddhist as well Muslims so not keeping it whole is splitting it. They would have there own land but would they be "pakistani"enough that is what I meant .

 

[Pakistanian]

Kashmir has Hindus and Buddhist as well Muslims so not keeping it whole is splitting it. They would have there own land but would they be "pakistani"enough that is what I meant .

Whole of Kashmir is Muslim, only Jammu is Hindu majority. Of course they would be "pakistani" enough, I don't even know what you're getting at.

 

[Salma_T]

Really ask any minority in Pakistan if there Pakistaniyaat isn't questioned? Every one likes to be an idealist yet the reality is different.....as nation Pakistani don't want children of afghan refugees to be become citizens who says that if these "new pakistanis" dont tow the line their loyalty and sheer existence will be questioned. Let's not forget like the Afghans these are people who suffered greatly at the hands on their own army so any slight could be misconstrued as every is always looks better when you not part of it.

 

[Pakistanian]

Really ask any minority in Pakistan if there Pakistaniyaat isn't questioned? Every one likes to be an idealist yet the reality is different.....as nation Pakistani don't want children of afghan refugees to be become citizens who says that if these "new pakistanis" dont tow the line their loyalty and sheer existence will be questioned. Let's not forget like the Afghans these are people who suffered greatly at the hands on their own army so any slight could be misconstrued as every is always looks better when you not part of it.

You're really stretching this. Didn't this govt just grant Afghan refugees children citizenship? Also Kashmiris don't have a country of their own unlike Afghans who have Afghanistan and Kashmiris have a strong connection and long history with Pakistan, I have never heard any Pakistani speak negatively of Kashmiris. People don't like Afghanistan for political reasons. Whether the Kashur people want to be part of Pakistan is their choice, they shouldn't be forced and I don't think the opinion of a Mirpuri/Pahari person should matter in this issue.

Peace.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Really ask any minority in Pakistan if there Pakistaniyaat isn't questioned? Every one likes to be an idealist yet the reality is different.....as nation Pakistani don't want children of afghan refugees to be become citizens who says that if these "new pakistanis" dont tow the line their loyalty and sheer existence will be questioned. Let's not forget like the Afghans these are people who suffered greatly at the hands on their own army so any slight could be misconstrued as every is always looks better when you not part of it.

Your arguments are not making sense and when it's pointed out, you conflate two seperate issues? How about you atleast make an attempt at getting better informed. Surely, you can't be that much of a coconut.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Kashmir has Hindus and Buddhist as well Muslims so not keeping it whole is splitting it. They would have there own land but would they be "pakistani"enough that is what I meant .

As I said above, Pakistan can have Rajouri, Ramban, Doda, Kishtwar in Jammu and the Kashmir valley. Perhaps Kargil too

India can have Ladakh and southern districts of Jammu like Udhampur and Kathua.

That way everyone is a winner

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Really ask any minority in Pakistan if there Pakistaniyaat isn't questioned? Every one likes to be an idealist yet the reality is different.....as nation Pakistani don't want children of afghan refugees to be become citizens who says that if these "new pakistanis" dont tow the line their loyalty and sheer existence will be questioned. Let's not forget like the Afghans these are people who suffered greatly at the hands on their own army so any slight could be misconstrued as every is always looks better when you not part of it.

We welcomed 3 million of them. Their country is allegedly safe now so it’s time for them to go back. Plus some now speak against Pakistan. Why should they be welcomed if they speak against the country that gives them what their original country could not?!

Kashmiriyat was the biggest pathetic thing that Jagmohan advocated to stop freedom movement.

Pakistanis are some of the most hospitable people. We have welcomed thousands of Rohingyas. We have a huge number of people who migrated from Kashmir valley who migrated to Pakistan and still have relatives in the bloody valley.

I know Hindus in Pakistan who are very happy.

Ps Kashmiris run Pakistan be it important positions in government, army etc....Kashmir doesn’t start and end at Mangla Dam like some people think.

Gilgit Baltistan is extremely happy and pushing to be 5th province. They hate being lumped in with the Kashmir dispute. AJK wants valley to come over to Pakistan too, and hopefully Muslim areas of Jammu.

With good politics from IK, this will become an increasing reality.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

What does investment have anything to do with people wanting to be part of a federation? If you base an alliance off monetary value then it's gonna fail once it loses it values and that's why countries are made from common values and geography.

EDIT: Kashmir isn't splitting off religious lines since all of Kashmir is Muslim, only Jammu splits off along religion lines.

Spot on

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

You're really stretching this. Didn't this govt just grant Afghan refugees children citizenship? Also Kashmiris don't have a country of their own unlike Afghans who have Afghanistan and Kashmiris have a strong connection and long history with Pakistan, I have never heard any Pakistani speak negatively of Kashmiris. People don't like Afghanistan for political reasons. Whether the Kashur people want to be part of Pakistan is their choice, they shouldn't be forced and I don't think the opinion of a Mirpuri/Pahari person should matter in this issue.

Peace.

Absolutely. Let people of Kashmir valley (ethnic Kashmiris) decide...and I tell you a lot want to join us. I have daily contact with people in Srinagar, Shopian, Baramulla, Pulwama.