[VIDEO] "Want Pakistan to become country Jinnah dreamed of" : Imran Khan

[troodon]

Can IK remove the Blasphemy Law?

 

[Loralai]

For Jinnah there were no minorities. We were all equal under Pakistani flag regardless of our religion. That was his greatness, he saw us as Pakistanis, not as Muslims or Christians or Hindus.

Jinnah Zindabad. We miss you sir.

 

[DHONI183]

"Want Pakistan to become country Jinnah dreamed of" : Imran Khan

Five years ago, when I went to bed after experiencing the same day as yesterday, being a PTI supporter, I went to sleep feeling hugely disappointed - at the same time wishing the best for Nawaz Sharif and his party, hoping and praying that he´ll perform well for the country. The tables have turned, a reversal of result has happened, and here I´m very uncertain of what I´m feeling like. I´m not sure what to say. Although, don´t get me wrong, my ultimate wish for the politics of the country continued to stay that Imran Khan should be given a chance, he needs to be tried, so that him coming to government and leading the country doesn´t end up as an unfilfilled wish of the man and his supporters - a supporters base that kept on growing with every day passing; but I a took a few step backwards after he began mixing politics with religion. All his speeches about blasphemy and the Finality of Prophethood irked me a little. In fact, to be honest, I hated seeing such words come out of the mouth of a man whom I once so admired and supported till around late 2016 or so, or perhaps even to times much later. Despite fully realising the gravity of the situation, he kept on exploiting and using the religion card as much as he could. His speeches, and those by other members of his party, ended up spewing so hatred as to have resulted in the killing of around four to five members of the Ahmadiyya Community, in general persecution of theirs and in an full-fledged attack on a mosque of theirs in Sialkot. I´m well aware of the fact that Captain Safdar did the same many times the recent year or so, but the lack of support from the general body of PML-N meant that it didn´t escalate as much as it did in the former´s case because it had become as one of PTI´s top agenda in the whole elections campaign. It was at times so hard to differentiate whether it was him talking or a Mullah from the local mosque uttering nonsense. With the exception of the party of Khadim Hussain Rizvi, I don´t think even Islamic parties have exploited this issue as much as he had. The attempted, controversial change to the clause present in that form was reversed with immediate effect anyway, what then was the need for him and Sheikh Rasheed to keep mentioning it again and again, knowing full well the extremely dangerous situation of Ahmadis in Pakistan? Many of you may not be aware of it, but amongst the Ahmadiyya casualties was a man who is survived by his widow and three daughters suffering from Polio. Is that fair? Pity the fact that Imran had so many, so many well-wishers of his from that community, not only when he was a cricketer, but also as a politician, as a leader. I know well that instead of reflecting on the very justified point raised here by me, people will focus more on my own religious background, and as a result the discussion relating to my views expressed herewith would be dominated by the interest or allegation against my religion. Regardless, I´ve stated what I thought I must. My message to Imran Khan is from a verse of the Mighty Qur´an.....

"To Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; and Allah is Witness over all things" - Qur´an 85:9.
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Now, moving on to the victory from yesterday. What a win! I congratulate him, all his party and supporters who stood by him over some very tough and challenging years. He has, for the second time in 26 years, proved that firm faith in one´s ability and the determination to win, the determination to fight every step even if it takes ages to achieve the aimed successes, to run even an inch to your destination every day for years and years, in the end ends up counting a lot. I really feel that somebody should pinch me for I cannot still believe that a party other than PPP and PML-N will be leading Pakistan. Miracles do happen! Although, there´s every reason to believe that he had been aided greatly by 'external forces', just as PML-N was in 2013. The involvement of the establishment in our country´s politics cannot be denied. However, even if you disagree with that, forget not the role played by the judiciary of the country. For the second time in a row, coupled with some fierce opposition from within politics, I believe that it´s the judiciary that has greatly damaged the reputation of the ruling party, as in PPP´s era from 2008 to 2013, it was Justice Iftikhar Choudhary who did the required work. I personally don´t mind it, but I hope PTI too gets called up if the need arises - that is, if any of its ministers, members etc. engage in corruption or crime in their tenure. I hope for justice for the country.

As for PML-N, the verse posted above is equally relevant here. Over the years I´d been literally fighting with a beloved one over the Model Town Massacre, adamantly repeating that that deed of theirs will one day be repaid by Allah in full, and that they will´ve to face the disgrace of it one day. I hope she was still in my life today so that I could remind her of my claim over the years. You simply cannot shoot people based on political differences, amongst which were pregnant women from what I remember. However, PML-N should still be thankful that that case hasn´t yet been re-opened by the current judges. It´s a matter far, far more serious than any corruption charges against them. They could be tried for murder etc.!

Now then, interesting times ahead. PPP have got their Sindh, the province they aim for (although you never know, they might revive by the next elections or the one after them). PTI haven´t got a clear majority, so they might´ve to face a strong opposition too. Besides that, it´s not clear yet as to who´ll form the governmment of Punjab. If it ends up as PML-n again, there things might not be as ideal for Imran and company in the times to come. Although not in the interest of the country, but there´s every chance of PML-n leaving no stone unturned to make life hard for him, and we might even see protests and sit-ins - although I hope not! But for their political survival, they can´t sit mum as Nawaz Sharif and his daughter Maryam are locked up in Adyaala Jail. I´m not lining up excuses for Imran, no way. You want to do good for the people, you aim to do that, you end up doing so irrespective of the hurdles. I´m more or less just cautioning him. I also strongly disagreed with the move to admit members from PPP and PML-N, people who he had all life accused of being corrupt to no limits. He shouldn´t have compromised on his principles, but that´s politics, my friend. Either way, I hope this move doesn´t come back to haunt him some day. I hope also that he, like the previous two governments did, completes the term of full five years, and that there comes no interruption mid-way.

Imran deserves a tremendous amount of credit for waking up the nation, especially the youth, and for enlightening them. I mean, "corruption" is a very wide term heavily used by the Desi folk, but we often miss the very important details such as what exactly it means and how politicians do it. He´d dedicate a very long time in his speeches, explaining it to the layman. This was a very smart step and highly admirable. However, this has also resulted in our nation, especially the youth, getting very over ambitious. Now, being over ambitious automatically results in being impatient. He hope this doesn´t go against him in the sense that they demand over the top results within just one term, or in worst case scenario, within just few years. I fear lest the very same people who voted for him running around with broken hearts by the next elections, due to the very high level of their expectations. I see the people of my country celebrating, dancing, bursting firecrackers, hugging and congratulating each other, and it makes me really happy. Here´s hoping that it doesn´t end up as a false dawn as it has been in Narendra Modi´s case in India (friends from India are most welcome to correct me on my observation) - another man who solely won on the basis of his slogans against corruption. I hope not, again.

The victory speech today by him was very graceful, very warming. It was not the same as that of the Imran of the pre-elections campaign. He clearly seemed like a man who had now been entrusted the responsibility of leading the country, a man with an immense burden on his shoulders. Kudos to him for openly not only accepting but also offering to help to investigate the allegations of rigging misconduct in polling. Very nice of him to have said this. In general quite a good speech. As a final note, I may add, and thereby slightly contradict my point from very early in the post which referred to an event from 26 years ago, he hasn´t yet won the world cup of politics. Rather, he has at most qualified to play the final. Remember, that no famous leader is known for merely winning elections, but for how he or she led the country from thereon. Again, I´m not undermining this victory of which the magnitude has no boundaries. I´m merely stating a fact.

".... You exalt whomsoever You please and You abase whomsoever You please. In You hand is all good. You surely have power to do all things" - Qur´an 3:26.

All the grace or disgrace begins from hereon, after coming to power, as was also the case with other parties.

Again, congratulations to him. As a side note, I must mention two names here. One is Moulana Fazl-ur-Rehman. The guy couldn't win a single seat as otherwise he would`ve made every attempt to pacify Imran ). The other mention goes to my hero Jibran Nasir, the independent candidate. He lost obviously but he has won many hearts and the admiration of many. Like a man should, he stood by the true value of democracy and refused to yield to the pressure of religious extremists who wanted him to invoke curses upon the Ahmadiyya community, after which he was demanded to curse the Founder of the Community, and then finally he was asked to prove that he wasn't an Ahmadi. He stood by his principles and put his life at risk - and may God protect him - his life is still in danger. He received threats, stones were thrown at his residence, his workers were injured. He took it all with much grace. A very brave hero! Well done, if only there existed more people like him.......

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

For Jinnah there were no minorities. We were all equal under Pakistani flag regardless of our religion. That was his greatness, he saw us as Pakistanis, not as Muslims or Christians or Hindus.

Jinnah Zindabad. We miss you sir.

Hopefully instilling a tolerant mindset amongst the population is part of his plans for human development, as that's the only way I see these draconian laws leaving our constitution. It will be slow, but worth it.

 

[Major]

Five years ago, when I went to bed after experiencing the same day as yesterday, being a PTI supporter, I went to sleep feeling hugely disappointed - at the same time wishing the best for Nawaz Sharif and his party, hoping and praying that he´ll perform well for the country. The tables have turned, a reversal of result has happened, and here I´m very uncertain of what I´m feeling like. I´m not sure what to say. Although, don´t get me wrong, my ultimate wish for the politics of the country continued to stay that Imran Khan should be given a chance, he needs to be tried, so that him coming to government and leading the country doesn´t end up as an unfilfilled wish of the man and his supporters - a supporters base that kept on growing with every day passing; but I a took a few step backwards after he began mixing politics with religion. All his speeches about blasphemy and the Finality of Prophethood irked me a little. In fact, to be honest, I hated seeing such words come out of the mouth of a man whom I once so admired and supported till around late 2016 or so, or perhaps even to times much later. Despite fully realising the gravity of the situation, he kept on exploiting and using the religion card as much as he could. His speeches, and those by other members of his party, ended up spewing so hatred as to have resulted in the killing of around four to five members of the Ahmadiyya Community, in general persecution of theirs and in an full-fledged attack on a mosque of theirs in Sialkot. I´m well aware of the fact that Captain Safdar did the same many times the recent year or so, but the lack of support from the general body of PML-N meant that it didn´t escalate as much as it did in the former´s case because it had become as one of PTI´s top agenda in the whole elections campaign. It was at times so hard to differentiate whether it was him talking or a Mullah from the local mosque uttering nonsense. With the exception of the party of Khadim Hussain Rizvi, I don´t think even Islamic parties have exploited this issue as much as he had. The attempted, controversial change to the clause present in that form was reversed with immediate effect anyway, what then was the need for him and Sheikh Rasheed to keep mentioning it again and again, knowing full well the extremely dangerous situation of Ahmadis in Pakistan? Many of you may not be aware of it, but amongst the Ahmadiyya casualties was a man who is survived by his widow and three daughters suffering from Polio. Is that fair? Pity the fact that Imran had so many, so many well-wishers of his from that community, not only when he was a cricketer, but also as a politician, as a leader. I know well that instead of reflecting on the very justified point raised here by me, people will focus more on my own religious background, and as a result the discussion relating to my views expressed herewith would be dominated by the interest or allegation against my religion. Regardless, I´ve stated what I thought I must. My message to Imran Khan is from a verse of the Mighty Qur´an.....

"To Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; and Allah is Witness over all things" - Qur´an 85:9.
-
Now, moving on to the victory from yesterday. What a win! I congratulate him, all his party and supporters who stood by him over some very tough and challenging years. He has, for the second time in 26 years, proved that firm faith in one´s ability and the determination to win, the determination to fight every step even if it takes ages to achieve the aimed successes, to run even an inch to your destination every day for years and years, in the end ends up counting a lot. I really feel that somebody should pinch me for I cannot still believe that a party other than PPP and PML-N will be leading Pakistan. Miracles do happen! Although, there´s every reason to believe that he had been aided greatly by 'external forces', just as PML-N was in 2013. The involvement of the establishment in our country´s politics cannot be denied. However, even if you disagree with that, forget not the role played by the judiciary of the country. For the second time in a row, coupled with some fierce opposition from within politics, I believe that it´s the judiciary that has greatly damaged the reputation of the ruling party, as in PPP´s era from 2008 to 2013, it was Justice Iftikhar Choudhary who did the required work. I personally don´t mind it, but I hope PTI too gets called up if the need arises - that is, if any of its ministers, members etc. engage in corruption or crime in their tenure. I hope for justice for the country.

As for PML-N, the verse posted above is equally relevant here. Over the years I´d been literally fighting with a beloved one over the Model Town Massacre, adamantly repeating that that deed of theirs will one day be repaid by Allah in full, and that they will´ve to face the disgrace of it one day. I hope she was still in my life today so that I could remind her of my claim over the years. You simply cannot shoot people based on political differences, amongst which were pregnant women from what I remember. However, PML-N should still be thankful that that case hasn´t yet been re-opened by the current judges. It´s a matter far, far more serious than any corruption charges against them. They could be tried for murder etc.!

Now then, interesting times ahead. PPP have got their Sindh, the province they aim for (although you never know, they might revive by the next elections or the one after them). PTI haven´t got a clear majority, so they might´ve to face a strong opposition too. Besides that, it´s not clear yet as to who´ll form the governmment of Punjab. If it ends up as PML-n again, there things might not be as ideal for Imran and company in the times to come. Although not in the interest of the country, but there´s every chance of PML-n leaving no stone unturned to make life hard for him, and we might even see protests and sit-ins - although I hope not! But for their political survival, they can´t sit mum as Nawaz Sharif and his daughter Maryam are locked up in Adyaala Jail. I´m not lining up excuses for Imran, no way. You want to do good for the people, you aim to do that, you end up doing so irrespective of the hurdles. I´m more or less just cautioning him. I also strongly disagreed with the move to admit members from PPP and PML-N, people who he had all life accused of being corrupt to no limits. He shouldn´t have compromised on his principles, but that´s politics, my friend. Either way, I hope this move doesn´t come back to haunt him some day. I hope also that he, like the previous two governments did, completes the term of full five years, and that there comes no interruption mid-way.

Imran deserves a tremendous amount of credit for waking up the nation, especially the youth, and for enlightening them. I mean, "corruption" is a very wide term heavily used by the Desi folk, but we often miss the very important details such as what exactly it means and how politicians do it. He´d dedicate a very long time in his speeches, explaining it to the layman. This was a very smart step and highly admirable. However, this has also resulted in our nation, especially the youth, getting very over ambitious. Now, being over ambitious automatically results in being impatient. He hope this doesn´t go against him in the sense that they demand over the top results within just one term, or in worst case scenario, within just few years. I fear lest the very same people who voted for him running around with broken hearts by the next elections, due to the very high level of their expectations. I see the people of my country celebrating, dancing, bursting firecrackers, hugging and congratulating each other, and it makes me really happy. Here´s hoping that it doesn´t end up as a false dawn as it has been in Narendra Modi´s case in India (friends from India are most welcome to correct me on my observation) - another man who solely won on the basis of his slogans against corruption. I hope not, again.

The victory speech today by him was very graceful, very warming. It was not the same as that of the Imran of the pre-elections campaign. He clearly seemed like a man who had now been entrusted the responsibility of leading the country, a man with an immense burden on his shoulders. Kudos to him for openly not only accepting but also offering to help to investigate the allegations of rigging misconduct in polling. Very nice of him to have said this. In general quite a good speech. As a final note, I may add, and thereby slightly contradict my point from very early in the post which referred to an event from 26 years ago, he hasn´t yet won the world cup of politics. Rather, he has at most qualified to play the final. Remember, that no famous leader is known for merely winning elections, but for how he or she led the country from thereon. Again, I´m not undermining this victory of which the magnitude has no boundaries. I´m merely stating a fact.

".... You exalt whomsoever You please and You abase whomsoever You please. In You hand is all good. You surely have power to do all things" - Qur´an 3:26.

All the grace or disgrace begins from hereon, after coming to power, as was also the case with other parties.

Again, congratulations to him. As a side note, I must mention two names here. One is Moulana Fazl-ur-Rehman. The guy couldn't win a single seat as otherwise he would`ve made every attempt to pacify Imran ). The other mention goes to my hero Jibran Nasir, the independent candidate. He lost obviously but he has won many hearts and the admiration of many. Like a man should, he stood by the true value of democracy and refused to yield to the pressure of religious extremists who wanted him to invoke curses upon the Ahmadiyya community, after which he was demanded to curse the Founder of the Community, and then finally he was asked to prove that he wasn't an Ahmadi. He stood by his principles and put his life at risk - and may God protect him - his life is still in danger. He received threats, stones were thrown at his residence, his workers were injured. He took it all with much grace. A very brave hero! Well done, if only there existed more people like him.......

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Im also quite sad for Jibran Nasir.

The guy was playing with fire. Even today as he came back from the polling station, people all around said sooo much crap about AHmadi's. It was just said.

Imran might be PM now, but no one could change the jahilana mentality of the people.

Its sad because even on this forum, there are people who hate Jibran because he doesnt cuss the Ahmadis, and he supports them.

I hope Jibran stays in Politics and keeps standing up for Ahmadis and on other sensitive issues

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome the statement of PTI chief <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> calling for resolution of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> dispute through dialogue in view of huge human cost of this long standing dispute especially being borne by the people of Kashmir. Hope the two neighbors give real peace a chance!</p>— Mirwaiz Umar Farooq (@MirwaizKashmir) <a href="https://twitter.com/MirwaizKashmir/status/1022485821465747456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[aloo paratha]

Wow, great speech, was worth the 30 minutes. I really hope Imran does a great job for the country. Pakistan has been held back by corruption for too long, and at many levels, not just the very top. That's one thing I wish Imran said in his speech. For corruption in Pakistan to stop, even the citizens have to start doing their part.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Excellent speech! Can't tell you guys how much I loved it!! Brought tears to my eyes, he is really speaking from his heart. Definitely the greatest victory speech in Pakistans history.

Puri awam na tumhari ooper umeed lagai vei hei IK, please don't let us down and take Pakistan to the path of development and prosperity that Jinnah envisioned. Really hope this is the end to the patwari politics that has destroyed Pakistan.

Hoping one of the first things PM Imran does is abolishes the feudal/Sardar system (especially in interior Sindh and Balochistan), these sardars that take advantage of the poor.

 

[DHONI183]

"Want Pakistan to become country Jinnah dreamed of" : Imran Khan

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Im also quite sad for Jibran Nasir.

The guy was playing with fire. Even today as he came back from the polling station, people all around said sooo much crap about AHmadi's. It was just said.

Imran might be PM now, but no one could change the jahilana mentality of the people.

Its sad because even on this forum, there are people who hate Jibran because he doesnt cuss the Ahmadis, and he supports them.

I hope Jibran stays in Politics and keeps standing up for Ahmadis and on other sensitive issues

At first I wanted Jibran to win, but with time I realised just how much risk he has put his life at, so I then just prayed that he doesn´t get killed - a danger of which would linger on even after the elections.

You see, my issue is not with Imran Khan not doing or saying something on these issues. No, not at all. It takes immense guts to raise your voice for the minorities of the country, and against religious extremism - to the extent that you end up putting your whole political career and your party at risk. Something like this could result in a boycott and isolation from the masses themselves. So I understand the risk, and why would I single him out alone given that no party has ever done much on this? The main issue here is that Imran himself has become a part of the blasphemy crowd, in fact a leader of it, as sad as it is. However, here´s hoping that he shuns all that now given he has reached the desired destination, and focuses on the real issues of the country.

 

[Loralai]

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Im also quite sad for Jibran Nasir.

The guy was playing with fire. Even today as he came back from the polling station, people all around said sooo much crap about AHmadi's. It was just said.

Imran might be PM now, but no one could change the jahilana mentality of the people.

Its sad because even on this forum, there are people who hate Jibran because he doesnt cuss the Ahmadis, and he supports them.

I hope Jibran stays in Politics and keeps standing up for Ahmadis and on other sensitive issues

Given the nature of the issues he was discussing, Jibran's campaign should be considered a success.

It isn't easy to raise these kinds of topics openly, even in ones own family or freindship circles.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Can IK remove the Blasphemy Law?

Today no but in the Pakistan he envisions I hope so. A lot of research has found over the years that religiosity is inversely proportional to welfare. So the better the people feel the less religious they are. If Pakistani peoples lives have fewer problems they will stop looking for divine intervention in everything and become less religious resulting in archaic laws being removed.

 

[Vegitto1]

Can IK remove the Blasphemy Law?

Why would he do that? The law is not wrong the problem lies in its implementation and burden of proof.

Currently all you need is an accusation and you get arrested and will most likely be shafted.

For example, a lot of people now have Mohammad in their name. I remember a case of blasphemy where a person threw a business card in the bin, the person whose card it was claimed it was blasphemy as his name had “Mohammad” in it. This, in my opinion is absurd.

What needs to be looked at is “intention” of the accused. And the evidence required to infer such an intention should be set ridiculously high - as high as if the accused is confessing to blasphemy.

Witness evidence should not be allowed. No matter how credible the witness. Only video evidence should be admissible - that too of the person engaging in the act of blasphemy.

Laws are laws, if you can hang people for treason then you can most definitely hang them for blasphemy where it is done intentionally with the purpose to cause offence.

 

[Loralai]

Why would he do that? The law is not wrong the problem lies in its implementation and burden of proof.

Currently all you need is an accusation and you get arrested and will most likely be shafted.

For example, a lot of people now have Mohammad in their name. I remember a case of blasphemy where a person threw a business card in the bin, the person whose card it was claimed it was blasphemy as his name had “Mohammad” in it. This, in my opinion is absurd.

What needs to be looked at is “intention” of the accused. And the evidence required to infer such an intention should be set ridiculously high - as high as if the accused is confessing to blasphemy.

Witness evidence should not be allowed. No matter how credible the witness. Only video evidence should be admissible - that too of the person engaging in the act of blasphemy.

Laws are laws, if you can hang people for treason then you can most definitely hang them for blasphemy where it is done intentionally with the purpose to cause offence.

The law is wrong and totally out of place in any modern society in 2018.

We need to remove these kinds of laws that can be easily exploited. Look at how vulnerable people are targetted. Asiya Bibi is in jail for so many years and sentenced to death. Its totally appalling and if there was no blasphemy law, she would not be imprisoned.

We should think about separating religion and the state, outdated laws like this only embarrass Pakistan and give fuel to extremists.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Update of the fake promises, dozens of lies :


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