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He has got the jigra of a test cricketer. Bowled at decent pace throughout.

Should be given a long run. I heard he is a brilliant reverse swing bowler, will be a handful in SC conditions
 
Chip32 said:
Celebrating like that when the opposition have scored damn near 500 is stupid. Just goes to show the selfish, self-centred nature of Pakistani cricketers.
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So what exactly he should do? Most teams concede 500 in Australia so should they stop celebrating there achievements
 
Instead of giving fraud all-rounder aka fahim such a long run...Amer Jamel should have been preferred..
 
Aamer Jamal is a hardworking guy. It is apparent from his bowling today. Bowled a long spell and got his reward for doing extra.
 
7sins said:
So what exactly he should do? Most teams concede 500 in Australia so should they stop celebrating there achievements
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Yes. Your team has just been pummelled there’s no reason to celebrate. You don’t see footballers celebrate a goal when they’re done like 4-1 nor do you see a dunk being celebrated in basketball when your side is down 30.
 
Aamer Jamal’s 6/111 were the third-best bowling figures in an innings for a Pakistan pacer on debut.

Along with Khurram Shahzad, Jamal was one of the two debutants for Pakistan in their opening Test at Perth. Coming up first change to Shaheen Afridi and Shahzad, Jamal bowled a disciplined yet uneventful first spell.

In his second spell, the bowler was taken for runs at the back of some attacking stroke play from David Warner and Steve Smith. However, he struck in his third spell to remove Travis Head and Warner. Jamal bowled to his field, even as Shan Masood’s placements worked well for Pakistan.

On the second day of play, though, the fast bowler showed his real magic. Jamal bowled an absolute corker to bowl Alex Carey (34) before the batter could take off. Despite being taken for runs, Jamal stuck to his lines and soon rattled Mitchell Starc’s stumps with a beauty. He added two more wickets to his kitty to finish with a six-for.

With this, he finished with 6/111. These are the third-best figures in an innings for a Pakistan bowler on Test debut. Pace ace Mohammad Zahid tops the list with his 7/66 against New Zealand in Rawalpindi in 1996, while Arif Butt comes second for his 6/89 at the MCG in 1964.

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Overall, these are the sixth-best figures in an innings for a Pakistan bowler on Test debut.

His figures ensured that Australia were restricted to 487 after a blistering start. Pakistan openers were off to a solid start in response.

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This lad deserves some respect today after the mockery he was receiving from fans yesterday. The fans need to start holding their hands up more when they got it wrong and the selectors/players had it right. If you have the confidence to speak and criticise so comfortably from a position without expertise don't just hide and go quiet when someone outdoes your expectation. Give them credit and admit you were wrong.

Well done Aamer Jamal and the selection group for introducing a new genuine contender for helping spearhead Pakistan's red ball future.
 
I got this one wrong, I judged him on his performances in Club Cricket in Brum.

Fair play, a lion hearted performance.

I also get nostalgic when he grunts, reminds me of the pacy Tanvir Ahmed
 
Stupidest decision ever to not take him to the World Cup and taking Hassan Ali as your pace bowling all rounder
 
Rana said:
Build him into your number 1 all rounder

Give him responsibility with the bat. Let him bat at number 6.
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He needs to bat in top 6 in all forms of Cricket. Even in domestic. That is how you develop All Rounders. In Faheem's case even after showing germs in FC Cricket 6-7 years ago. He never really batted above no. 7 and 8 in FC Cricket.

But unfortunately our system is such that he may never get the opportunity bat in Top 6 in Domestic even.
 
RidiculousMan said:
He needs to bat in top 6 in all forms of Cricket. Even in domestic. That is how you develop All Rounders. In Faheem's case even after showing germs in FC Cricket 6-7 years ago. He never really batted above no. 7 and 8 in FC Cricket.

But unfortunately our system is such that he may never get the opportunity bat in Top 6 in Domestic even.
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Pakistan cricket in general lacks vision. They are a century behind SENA and India when it comes to cricket vision
 
Rana said:
Pakistan cricket in general lacks vision. They are a century behind SENA and India when it comes to cricket vision
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And vision doesn't pass on with an interim setup with the likes of Sethi and Zaka. Whatever is at the top of the country ruling trickles down as well.
 
You’ve all been crying for decades that we don’t have a genuine pace bowling all-rounder. England had Flintoff and now Stokes. India have Pandya. Australia have Cameron Green.

Well here is your big opportunity now. Build him after his excellent debut. His confidence is sky high and this is where he can cement himself.
 
RidiculousMan said:
And vision doesn't pass on with an interim setup with the likes of Sethi and Zaka. Whatever is at the top of the country ruling trickles down as well.
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What vision did Ramiz Raja implement through Imran Khan with Babar as their captain?

A T20 top 3 of Babar, Rizwan and Shan Masood? That’s an insult. Not vision
 
Not a bad start to his test career. Ideally he would have a proper 3rd seamer in place of Faheem to support him further and take the pressure off him.

Australia tour is next level difficult for Pakistanis. The lad was expensive but did ok for what is probably his first time stepping foot outside Pakistan.
 
Rana said:
What vision did Ramiz Raja implement through Imran Khan with Babar as their captain?

A T20 top 3 of Babar, Rizwan and Shan Masood? That’s an insult. Not vision
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None. He had none as well for Senior team. I didn't wanted to name 15 tenures. You get the point.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Not a bad start to his test career. Ideally he would have a proper 3rd seamer in place of Faheem to support him further and take the pressure off him.

Australia tour is next level difficult for Pakistanis. The lad was expensive but did ok for what is probably his first time stepping foot outside Pakistan.
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I'm more interested in his batting. His FC numbers with the bat doesn't suggest he is an All Round pacer. But if he can show signs and Pakistan do develop him into one. It would do a great deal of good.
 
Nothing special , even tanvir ahmed was good in first couple of games.

The only one I rate is khurram shahzad I like his run up action looks repeatable smooth he's someone who looks like he could play test cricket for 5-7 yrs for just needs to increase his pace by 5-10kph.

This jamal guy will be a flash in the pan seems a cross between hasan ali and haris rauf seems to me also has taken their habit of crazy noise and cringe celebrations .
 
hass said:
This lad deserves some respect today after the mockery he was receiving from fans yesterday. The fans need to start holding their hands up more when they got it wrong and the selectors/players had it right. If you have the confidence to speak and criticise so comfortably from a position without expertise don't just hide and go quiet when someone outdoes your expectation. Give them credit and admit you were wrong.

Well done Aamer Jamal and the selection group for introducing a new genuine contender for helping spearhead Pakistan's red ball future.
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Rana said:
You’ve all been crying for decades that we don’t have a genuine pace bowling all-rounder. England had Flintoff and now Stokes. India have Pandya. Australia have Cameron Green.

Well here is your big opportunity now. Build him after his excellent debut. His confidence is sky high and this is where he can cement himself.
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Aamer Jamal has ordinary figures in FC cricket. That's an area of concern . Must have worked very hard recently I believe. But I still have doubt over his persistence in the long run. Needs to be a consistent performer before being considered seriously. To Pak fans, let's not hype him as new Waqar or like that. There are many such bowlers in Pakistani domestic like him even with far better record.
 
After Day 2, 1st Test Australia vs Pakistan, in a press conference Umar Gul said:

"[Aamer Jamal] It was the main reason to pick him in the playing 11 because he had a good First-Class season and was very good with his rhythm. The two guys coming in played a full season of First-Class cricket in Pakistan and were in good rhythm. So, we were expecting Amer Jamal to bowl for us long spells with good pace, and I think he did the job. We are quite happy with the way he performed and he delivered as we expected of him."
 
Despite taking 6 wickets, look at his economy rate, which is 5.45. Even if he is in good rhythm, we still couldn't see a good pace and consistent line and length from him.
 
A garbage performance.

As usual, fans going gaga over the number of wickets.

He bowled plain rubbish and is not gonna survive in test cricket for long. He was never consistent, bowled all over the wicket and was rightfully getting attacked. He would bowl one odd delivery that was good and pick a wicket. But most of the time, due to the rubbish he was bowling and mixed it with short stuff, players charged him and gave their wicket away to him.

His economy rate was above 5. He got smoked for more than 100 runs.

It was rubbish bowling with a few lucky wickets.

Meanwhile, Khurram Shezad bowled better that him as he was consistent with his line. Didnt try to mix it up too much and Khawaja had no idea how to play him.

Pakistan will do more damage to itself, if they take Aamir Jamal and drop Khurram Shezad. It needs to be the other way around. I dont mind Aamir Jamal in limited overs, but he is not made for test cricket.
 
Mainul said:
Aamer Jamal has ordinary figures in FC cricket. That's an area of concern . Must have worked very hard recently I believe. But I still have doubt over his persistence in the long run. Needs to be a consistent performer before being considered seriously. To Pak fans, let's not hype him as new Waqar or like that. There are many such bowlers in Pakistani domestic like him even with far better record.
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He is ordinary.

He has been selected based on vibes. Just cause he has abit more pace he got the nod.

He isnt a bowler that can hold things on his own. Even in limited overs, he is the 3rd or 4th option and cant be relied to carry the attack as we saw with Peshawar Zalmi.

His first class stats reflected his bowling in this game where he was bowling all over the wicket.
 
I can't believe some of the posts on this thread. The guy is playing his first test match.

Picking up a 6 fer against a world class lineup in tough conditions. He deserves all the pace. He kept going till the end. Put everything into this.
 
Major said:
He is ordinary.

He has been selected based on vibes. Just cause he has abit more pace he got the nod.

He isnt a bowler that can hold things on his own. Even in limited overs, he is the 3rd or 4th option and cant be relied to carry the attack as we saw with Peshawar Zalmi.

His first class stats reflected his bowling in this game where he was bowling all over the wicket.
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Why Pakistani selectors select these unproven guys on toughest tour like Australia? In last tour we saw raw debutant pacers Musa and Naseem being belted all over Australian stadiums. And now another 2 debutants with ordinary FC stats.
 
Mainul said:
Why Pakistani selectors select these unproven guys on toughest tour like Australia? In last tour we saw raw debutant pacers Musa and Naseem being belted all over Australian stadiums. And now another 2 debutants with ordinary FC stats.
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Because by the time of Australia tour, we are often exposed with 0 preparation.

Back in 2010, we had great bowlers like Rauf, Sami etc, but our batting was a joke. But 2020 onwards we didnt develop our pacers. During first class season, our international schduling is soo poor that we take guys like Dhani, Rauf on tours while they miss first class games.
 
Major said:
A garbage performance.

As usual, fans going gaga over the number of wickets.

He bowled plain rubbish and is not gonna survive in test cricket for long. He was never consistent, bowled all over the wicket and was rightfully getting attacked. He would bowl one odd delivery that was good and pick a wicket. But most of the time, due to the rubbish he was bowling and mixed it with short stuff, players charged him and gave their wicket away to him.

His economy rate was above 5. He got smoked for more than 100 runs.

It was rubbish bowling with a few lucky wickets.

Meanwhile, Khurram Shezad bowled better that him as he was consistent with his line. Didnt try to mix it up too much and Khawaja had no idea how to play him.

Pakistan will do more damage to itself, if they take Aamir Jamal and drop Khurram Shezad. It needs to be the other way around. I dont mind Aamir Jamal in limited overs, but he is not made for test cricket.
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I don’t understand you.

Musa Khan and a 16 year old to bowl fast against Australia 4 years ago. Australia batted twice out of a maximums 4 innings, scored 1160 runs and lost 13 wickets out of a possible 40…but you have a serious issue with a 3rd/4th seamer level bowler who took 6 wickets in 1 innings?

Why do you write this kind of stuff?
 
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Major said:
Because by the time of Australia tour, we are often exposed with 0 preparation.

Back in 2010, we had great bowlers like Rauf, Sami etc, but our batting was a joke. But 2020 onwards we didnt develop our pacers. During first class season, our international schduling is soo poor that we take guys like Dhani, Rauf on tours while they miss first class games.
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Sami and great? bhai kia ho gaya hai?
 
Rana said:
I don’t understand you.

Musa Khan and a 16 year old to bowl fast against Australia 4 years ago. Australia batted twice out of a maximums 4 innings, scored 1160 runs and lost 13 wickets out of a possible 40…but you have a serious issue with a 3rd/4th seamer level bowler who took 6 wickets in 1 innings?

Why do you write this kind of stuff?
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Musa khan was inexpeirenced and bowled poorly.

Aamir Jamal also bowled poorly and this can be vouched by anyone who actually saw the game and not just read cricinfo score cards.

What naseem and musa bowled 4 years ago is irrelvent to what Aamir Jamal is bowling.
 
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Stewie said:
Sami and great? bhai kia ho gaya hai?
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bhai, context matters.

Back in 2010, if you watched that game. Sami was firing in and creating pressure. Australia was all out for 127 runs in the Sydney test and it was due to the pace that Sami was bowling with.

He ended up removing Watson, Philip Hughes and Ponting just for 6 runs. He removed these three guys and than Asif would end up getting the rest of the guys. It was one of the best bowling spells i had ever witnessed and it was because of Sami's pace and accuracy.
 
I would love to know his gym habits, routine and diet. After a long time i have seen a Pakistani fast bowler with solid biceps, triceps and shoulders and a slim stomach. No wonder he was the only bowler touching 136-139 km/hr and bowling a heavy bouncer. Our other pacers need to take note from him. Even in the PSL he has bowled a delivery at 150 km/hr.
 
Major said:
Musa khan was inexpeirenced and bowled poorly.

Aamir Jamal also bowled poorly and this can be vouched by anyone who actually saw the game and not just read cricinfo score cards.

What naseem and musa bowled 4 years ago is irrelvent to what Aamir Jamal is bowling.
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But I did watch the bowling…

How has Jamaal not earned his right to be the first Pakistani bowler to pick up a 5fer in Australia since 2010? Which one of his wickets was lucky and not good bowling?
 
Rana said:
But I did watch the bowling…

How has Jamaal not earned his right to be the first Pakistani bowler to pick up a 5fer in Australia since 2010? Which one of his wickets was lucky and not good bowling?
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Jamal should have been certainty in all formats after the guts he showed vs England. We don't have a single cricketer with that toughness. Even his batting he will fight I'm sure of it.
 
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Rana said:
But I did watch the bowling…

How has Jamaal not earned his right to be the first Pakistani bowler to pick up a 5fer in Australia since 2010? Which one of his wickets was lucky and not good bowling?
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Bro he picked 5 wickets.

But his bowling was poor. He was bowling soo much poor that the Aussie players were taking him on and attacking him. His first two wickets were a fluke, the third wicket ok was good one, and the rest were the tail bowlers.

Anyone who saw the game and saw his bowling will tell you he bowled poorly. He was bowling all over the place. There is a reason why his economy was 5+ and he gave away 100+ runs.

Anyone who wants to celebrate be my guest. But qualitatively he bowled poorly and got fluke wickets.
 
Major said:
Musa khan was inexpeirenced and bowled poorly.

Aamir Jamal also bowled poorly and this can be vouched by anyone who actually saw the game and not just read cricinfo score cards.

What naseem and musa bowled 4 years ago is irrelvent to what Aamir Jamal is bowling.
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I saw some portion. Yes, Jamal lacks control, but he was bending his back. He was getting a bit of seam movement at decent pace. Took wickets. Not sure I will see his performance as negative despite him being expensive.
 
Though he conceded 100 runs but atleast he got 6 scalps and is the only reason this game is still a contest, on the other hand Khurram guy is the modern Tanvir Ahmed or an inferior Abbas, Khurram with his dolly pace on subcontinent tracks will get carted
 
Savak said:
I would love to know his gym habits, routine and diet. After a long time i have seen a Pakistani fast bowler with solid biceps, triceps and shoulders and a slim stomach. No wonder he was the only bowler touching 136-139 km/hr and bowling a heavy bouncer. Our other pacers need to take note from him. Even in the PSL he has bowled a delivery at 150 km/hr.
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I wonder if being built strong helps with bowling in Australian conditions. I see Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc all tall and strong in built in comparison to the likes of Shaheen and Khurram. Aamer on the other hand looks physically built as well.

He also gave an interview few months back that in FC Cricket he bowled 16 overs on trot in one spell at good speeds to gain some rhythm and have real hard spells under his belt to help him perform better and get an eventual test call.
 
Jamal did well and he deserves praise. Going forward the action will always be a problem, the more you sling it, the less control you have.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Action is less important than mental toughness and physical strength.
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The action is the most important thing. A mentally weak guy can get away with having a good action that comes from over the top and stays tall at the crease, but if the action isn't repeatable which most of the slingers are, you will find incredibly difficult to have consistent control
 
I am sure some of our big names won't have been able to take 6 wickets in Australia in a full series.
Happy for him.

Now that he's on the ground, he would himself know better than others what he is lacking and what he needs to add in terms of fitness, stamina, running, consistency etc. Hopefully he will keep maturing.

I really hope he improves with the bat as well. He has shown flashes of brilliance in the domestics with the bat, but tests are the real deal. He'll need to learn how to construct an inning, build a partnership etc.
 
Not really worried about his economy rate if he picks up 4-6 wickets in the innings in the process. Would rather have a pacer getting 6 for 110 at an economy rate of 5 vs a pacer with 1/100 of 30 overs. Wickets are what wins you test matches, not economy alone.
 
Its evident that alot of posters are reading score card and not watching the actual game.

if bowlers like these are rewarded with more test games, than there is a reason why by the next australia tour we are without any good bowler.

Jamal will get exposed in the long run, but i hope someone like Khurram is not dropped due to score cards
 
Kianig89 said:
Though he conceded 100 runs but atleast he got 6 scalps and is the only reason this game is still a contest, on the other hand Khurram guy is the modern Tanvir Ahmed or an inferior Abbas, Khurram with his dolly pace on subcontinent tracks will get carted
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Tanvir Ahmad also took 5 wickets for 100+ runs on debut.
 
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Decent with the bat but he will be tested by the short balls.
 
That was a bit unlucky for Jamal. He was looking easy on the crease.

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Aamer Jamal gets the breakthrough as Travis head is gone. He played it straight to the covers.
Jamal is breathing fire atm. Next 2 balls, 2 reviews, and 2 lucky escapes for the Australian batters.
 
Usman khawaja's review looked much more closer than what the review showed actually.

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You seriously can’t argue against results, that’s stupid. He might or might not do well in the future but you can’t take sway what he has already done. He’s earned the right to play this series fully based on this Test.
 
He is far better than Faheem. Give him the next two tests and see the difference.
 
Bewal Express said:
He isn't but that's no saying much about either guy. Jamal is a no 10 and Faheem has gone from a solid 8, to looking a poor 9.
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I was talking about bowling capability.

Batting is a bonus. But nothing Faheem can do, that Jamal can't.
 
I am always prepared and everyone should be to eat humble pie. I didn't think he had it in him - but he's proven me wrong especially with the ball. I thought he was a bit pieces players - he might still be, but he was bowling briskly enough and even if he was clattered at 5 an over, he got wickets.

I hope the young man continues to prove doubters wrong - I was one of them.
 
He is an all-rounder. I didn't see any spark in his batting in the first test. Test cricket is different. Even if 9 wickets are down, you can still score a century. And he was not batting with any aim in the first test against Australia.
 
Markhor said:
Great interview, always nice to hear these backstories.

Interesting he already has experience of Australian conditions having played in Sydney.
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give us your pov on his bowling if you watched his full bowling.

Alot of posters are going gaga over his 6 wickets, but i see terrible line and length with a couple of fluke wickets.

Do you think he actaully bowled well or better than Khurram who kept a tight line and length? Also, is he more of a limited over player than test?
 
Aamer Jamal said in a video shared by Pakistan Cricket Board:

"When you receive something without earning it, you start taking it for granted. So, the journey taught me that there are no shortcuts in life; you have to go through a process.”

"I never let go of any chance. I played U19 cricket in 2014, but after that, for four years, I didn’t play any cricket. My first-class debut was in 2018, and before that, I played 1-2 seasons in grade cricket. I didn’t play regularly either because my profile wasn’t strong enough. I felt disheartened during that phase."

"A guy approached me to help start playing club cricket in Australia. During that time, I got to know about an U-23 Pakistan tour and decided to leave the season mid-way. I thought maybe I would get to play in Grade 2, but they didn’t even pick me for the team."

"I got a car on a bank lease to support my family. I used to get up at 5 am in the morning and get online around that time. I used to drive until 10:30 am. From 11 to 1, I used to practice my bowling. Then, again, I used to go online from 2-7 to complete the remaining rides."
 
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His story is inspiring, and I wish him all the success in the future. I hope he will become a consistent performer with both the ball and the bat.
 
He is better than Fahim but not miles ahead of Fahim .Jamal has a better short ball/effort ball.
 
Major said:
give us your pov on his bowling if you watched his full bowling.

Alot of posters are going gaga over his 6 wickets, but i see terrible line and length with a couple of fluke wickets.

Do you think he actaully bowled well or better than Khurram who kept a tight line and length? Also, is he more of a limited over player than test?
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Jamal's main quality is his stamina and never say die attitude. Rarely a pak bowler has that quality. He just keeps coming at you. His economy wasn't great as his lines arent consistent. We shouldn't go gaga over 6 wickets and think he's a top calibre bowler and similarly shouldn't just dismiss him. Both are extreme levels. Should give credit to him and hope he improves further. Let's see how he does in the next 2 tests considering the aussies have had a good look at him now and have analysed him. Now is his real test. Hope he gets a proper chance to develop like Rana g
 
Awesome interview,
Genuine nice guy.
Aussies love him, plys with pure heart.
 
He is a workhorse and can bowl and boel with everything he got. As far as his batting is concerned, yes it was below par. in 2nd inning, he basically got bowled on a dead bowl almost.
 
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