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PCB, PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THIS GUY.He bowled a match-winning spell of 4/57 for Pakistan U19s against Afghanistan U19s in Match 4 of the UAE U19 Tri-Series
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PCB, PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THIS GUY.He bowled a match-winning spell of 4/57 for Pakistan U19s against Afghanistan U19s in Match 4 of the UAE U19 Tri-Series
Beating batters through his sheer pace only.PCB, PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL THIS GUY.
this guy looks serious talent... his line and length is very accurate i think he can make a debut within an year.
No more rushing of talents without red ball cricket we destroyed Naseem and Hasnain and many others due to thisShould be sent to SA
Nope. He is not there yet. He needs to stay with U19 teams, Shaheens + domestics for a year or 2. No need to rush him.Should be sent to SA
Yep, a big waste of time for his developmentHe’s too advanced for this level and frankly he should have been playing QeA trophy rather then being made to get another go at this level it’s stagnating his progress
Yes, let him play as much FC cricket he can and hopefully he will not be allowed to play T20 cricket for 2-3 years , if not more.He’s too advanced for this level and frankly he should have been playing QeA trophy rather then being made to get another go at this level it’s stagnating his progress
The next Naseem Shah.
Let him play a couple seasons of FC.When will this boy be ready? Should have been sent to SA for the tests.
He should be ready in another year provided he plays fc croci let and works o his fitness.PCB is very bad at managing bowlers workload.They need to have a pool of 5-6 fast bowlers who should be rotatedWhen will this boy be ready? Should have been sent to SA for the tests.
When will this boy be ready? Should have been sent to SA for the tests.
With that jump he also falls away too much to left side. Something to work on which hopefully our incompetent coaches can pick.A little worried about him jumping out at the point of delivery. It stops the momentum going towards the batsmen and will impact control.
He’s 1 FC match old and is most likely less then 20 which FC cricketer is ready at this stageHe needs to avoid going wide/ jumping wide at the point of delivery. In basic words his action will become inconsistent and he will also need much more movement to take it away. If doesn't stop this he will struggle against good players
Agree but this is a flaw that will hurt him in the future.He’s 1 FC match old and is most likely less then 20 which FC cricketer is ready at this stage
Finally they get him in should have played the full season in place of u 19 Asia cup
Trust me he won't do it unless someone points it to him and he is intelligent enough to do something about it. This jumping stops any chance of left handers being LBW and will also get less right handed LBW as the umpires will feel the angle created will take the ball down the leg side.If he’s still having same issues after 2 seasons and 20 FC games then it’s a concern right now too early to make a judgement
Sialkot's pacer bagged 3 wickets and conceded 62 runs against Peshawar on Day 1 of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2024-25 final.Ali Raza has entered red-ball cricket and is playing for Sialkot in the final of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2024-25 against Peshawar.
@Rana check this pin point yorker
I am worried about the sudden outward turns he takes at the point of release. Nice pace and height is also goodHas a great action. Really hope they let him develop over the next few years and manage his workload.
The outward jump reminds me of Aizaz CheemaI am worried about the sudden outward turns he takes at the point of release. Nice pace and height is also good
As a variation it's good but as a norm, it's a worryThe outward jump reminds me of Aizaz Cheema
The outward jump reminds me of Aizaz Cheema
I get that workload management is important but there is no substitute for playing first class cricket. No training regimen can make you a bowler.No fast bowler should play an entire season of FC cricket at this young age & that too in Pakistan.
Raza should play sporadically while they should dedicate a training regime for him that's ideal for his body so he can grow into his body first. Sports science has evolved & we are still here talking about making fast bowlers play entire seasons on thankless terrible grounds/pitches in Pak.
He's the only bowler in our entire junior cricket that has potential to be a test-class bowler. Don't want to waste his nascent years & career playing too soon or too much.
Remember when Nasim was a 150 kph tearaway, or when Waqar was lightening fast, or when Ihsanullah played a few white ball matches, or the case of Muhammad Zahid. Pakistani bodies are springy & thin (& all names mentioned above share similar body type) so you cannot & shouldn't push these players to play FC cricket.
Train them, take care of them, play them sporadically, & reward them financially to play test cricket instead of gulli danda leagues
I get that workload management is important but there is no substitute for playing first class cricket. No training regimen can make you a bowler.
The current SENA game is happening on flat pitch in SA. There is no “norm” in international cricket. Youngsters should be test and get training on a variety of conditions including green top, flat , spinning conditions and more.Noticed the green top, hopefully the norm in domestics. Replicate SENA and force our players to adapt.
Define “bad habits” and explain domestic cricket builds “bad habits”Pak domestic cricket should be avoided because it builds bad habits & also risks injuries. He already got like six or seven wickets today & most of the batters looked out of their depth. One got out playing reverse scoop as if he's Konstas
Pak domestic cricket should be avoided because it builds bad habits & also risks injuries. He already got like six or seven wickets today & most of the batters looked out of their depth. One got out playing reverse scoop as if he's Konstas
Define “bad habits” and explain domestic cricket builds “bad habits”
I am worried about the sudden outward turns he takes at the point of release. Nice pace and height is also good
Unless the guy is a bit thick, he should realise thisAgree. A fast bowlers momentum has to be towards the batsman.
With that jump wide, he's basically not fulfilling his full potential as A FAST bowler.
Imperative he needs to iron that out.
A simple drill of cones either side of his full run from the marker to the bowling crease will make sure his momentum takes him straight down the wicket
A list of bad habits/traits that are common in our domestic system.
1. Pitches are substandard so no one learns the art of bowling or batting.
2. No one there to control or manage workload.
3. No analysts or true experts, "ja shabash zor laga" is considered wisdom
4. Outdated methods for training
5. No education or character development that can help a person become grounded or a proper functional intellectual human
6. No focus on own weakness. No one to work with if there's a weakness.
7. Substandard outfields so no benefit in terms of fielding skills upgrade.
8. You never properly become an expert, you just play the same game multiple times (check youtube to watch videos from channels like veritasium to see what an expert is)
9. Spread out talent in domestic teams means most teams have weak players. Guys like Abbas, Sadaf r statistical giants
10. If you are a bowler, you will remain nothing but a bowler. No second skill development.
11. The specific training ones include but are not limited to
a. bad forms while doing weight trainingb. over exertion or doing needless exercises that you don't requirec. Not giving proper attention to achesd. Bowling no balls in net sessionse. Not having a plan for practice sessionsf. Not focused training sessions etc.
A modern player requires proper education & training. This includes everything including your haircut, your intellectual capacity, your education as well. Take the case of Maphaka, he's 18 but when he was selected by MI, they provided him with a private tutor so his education isn't harmed.
Is this available to Ali Raza?
Many will take credit for him but he was a star even in his PJL debut which was years ago. From then till now, he's still the same in terms of his physique. Fast bowling is an anomaly, the human body isn't designed to do this so all bowlers should be dealt with extreme caution. The backs are fragile & the bone structure isn't ready until 23/24. A GOAT bowler like Cummins had issues in his early career, check his history & see how many years he missed because of that.
We have lost a lot of bowlers. We cannot afford more. What he needs is a nutritionist, a psychologist, & proper trainers that train him. He can travel with the domestic team, watch matches from the dugout, watch test cricket while it is being played internationally (every cricketer should watch good test series) & then play 1 or max 2 4 day matches a month.
You make some good points, but I think the solution you’re suggesting misses the mark. Sure, pitches used to be bad, but they’ve gotten better, and the domestic system isn’t as awful as it’s made out to be—it’s produced players like Saud Shakeel and Saim Ayub, who’ve done well internationally.
Your problem identification is good but your solution may not solve the problem. Bowlers need 4-day cricket to build their skills, and skipping domestic cricket isn’t the answer. The real fix is improving coaching, workload management, and the system overall.
Mpakha is one in of rare examples who debuted at 18 and his success remains to be seen. Vast majority of successful bowlers played at least a few seasons before debut including Rabada and Jansen who played 2-3 seasons.
Zeeshan Zameer who had excellent potential too. Saw him with one of the teams in the t20 cup. Don't think he played any games since his injury.why does every thread have to segway into the same old rehashed talks abt Pakistani fast bowlers, it is what it is, and most people on here know that.
as far as this kid goes, lots of potential, hes tall, which is always good, he has ok pace, which will improve with age. his run up is a bit dodgy, but tbh i wouldnt bother changing it too much at the moment. the pitch was very up and down, and he got nice movement with which ever ball they are using in domestic.
unfortunately that's pbly the last first class game he'll play till next season so lets see how he gets on in leagues. reminds me a bit of another under 19 pacer who took babars wicket in a psl game got injured and disappeared.
Pak domestic circuit has not produced a single quality quick. These are our five bowling superstars.
Fazl Mahmood. (All Indian cricket league - before partition)
Imran (England & sheer will power of his own)
Wasim (Sarak say utha k star bana dia gaya)
Waqar (played in Sharjah, and local leagues, & then handpicked)
Akhtar (cries to this day that he ended his career in domestic cricket)
No other name is there that can be considered a great fast bowler.
You are missing my point in terms of solution. Players become better when they compete against better players & in conditions that help them improve. Otherwise they stagnate and become a big fish in a small pond & the moment they are challenged in int'l cricket, they buckle down under pressure because they are just not used to getting counterpunched.
Shahid Nazir, Rana Naveed, Rao Iftikhar, Bilawal Bhatti, Umar Gul are our domestic system products. By the time they reach int'l cricket, they have too many miles on their bodies. It's time to rethink our system, I don't claim to be fully right or know all the solutions but our system is not working, so we need to fix it.
I'll leave you with a bit of homework, search who was the last fast bowler from Pak who got 200 test wickets & you'll realize how our domestic system has failed our bowlers.
132-138k is ideal speed at international level. No successful test bowler has bowled quicker than this. The focus for him should be to:He seems to be operating around 132k-138k which is not that quick to be honest , he picked wickets more because of the spice and bounce in the pitch rather through his sheer pace.
He bowls much quicker in shorter formats from what I have observed.
Brett Lee, Steyn, Donald, Waqar,Akram, Marshal these were all not successful132-138k is ideal speed at international level. No successful test bowler has bowled quicker than this. The focus for him should be to:
1. Get accurate with repeatable action.
2. Learn how to move the bowl.
3. Add skills: Yorker, wobble seam, deceptive bouncer.
Brett Lee, Steyn, Donald, Waqar,Akram, Marshal these were all not successful
I m not relying on anecdotes. May be you didn't watch them but I did.Many of whom you mentioned did not have speed guns on TV until late 90s, so you’re relying on anecdotes.
Speed guns showed after late 90s, they were bowling in 132-138 KPK range in test cricket. M Marshall had hung his boots by then.
I’ve heard Waqar was quicker in 90-93 but again no speed guns.
Brett Lee was express pace, that’s a different breed altogether and for that you need to be 155 KPH. Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar are one of a kind fast bowlers.
Ali Raza should target Alan Donald, Pollock, Cummins, Gillespie Ambrose, Walsh and the like as his idols
Yes, I stand corrected on the “no successful bowler” since Brett Lee and Akhtar were successful for as long as they played. There’s a few still like Shane Bond, Mark Wood etcI m not relying on anecdotes. May be you didn't watch them but I did.
Each of the names I mentioned were 140+ bowlers.
Some of them bowled in mid 130's only during last couple of years of their careers.
You cannot say no successful test bowler has bowled quicker than 138kph
He is very young and too skinny , hope he gets through next 2-3 years without any serious injury and after than his injury risk will be lessened . His basic are right , mainly action , speed and accuracy will come by playing more FC cricket and not wasted into pajama cricket leagues.Many of whom you mentioned did not have speed guns on TV until late 90s, so you’re relying on anecdotes.
Speed guns showed after late 90s, they were bowling in 132-138 KPK range in test cricket. M Marshall had hung his boots by then.
I’ve heard Waqar was quicker in 90-93 but again no speed guns.
Brett Lee was express pace, that’s a different breed altogether and for that you need to be 155 KPH. Brett Lee and Shoaib Akhtar are one of a kind fast bowlers.
Ali Raza should target Alan Donald, Pollock, Cummins, Gillespie Ambrose, Walsh and the like as his idols
Yup! 2 seasons would do wonders for him. Not more, not less.He is very young and too skinny , hope he gets through next 2-3 years without any serious injury and after than his injury risk will be lessened . His basic are right , mainly action , speed and accuracy will come by playing more FC cricket and not wasted into pajama cricket leagues.
It was a spin track reading the score card ,he’s 16 with 2 fc games it will take time don’t rush him till he plays 2-3 Full seasons Awais Anwar and Arshadullah are older and look more ready pick them first fast tracking Ali will have another Naseem shah on our handsCould not get a single wicket in the 1st inning against west indies in a warm up game but now he got 2 in the second innings for Shaheens.
Not impressed with him at all
Exactly people are expecting miracles straight away.It was a spin track reading the score card ,he’s 16 with 2 fc games it will take time don’t rush him till he plays 2-3 Full seasons Awais Anwar and Arshadullah are older and look more ready pick them first fast tracking Ali will have another Naseem shah on our hands
You don’t have to pirate India about everything. India have established bowlers.Yup! 2 seasons would do wonders for him. Not more, not less.
India has become a lot more disciplined with this. Notice debut of Shami, Siraj, Bumrah, Prasidh Krishna, Akash Deep.. nearly all of their debutants have played at least 2 FC seasons before they got their debut.
The fast tracking of youngsters without FC experience is an exception in mature system, whereas its become a rule in ours.
You don’t have to pirate India about everything. India have established bowlers.
Have your own identity. With trash 120k bowlers, the case for promoting a young quick is stronger.