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[VIDEOS] Can statpadding and anchor role win you any T20 World Cup?

Can statpadding and anchor role win you any T20 World Cup?

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PakEngFan said:
The reason why I don't say Usman is because he's a spin basher and is woeful against pace hence not an opener. I don't think I have seen this guy hit a six against pace.
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And see, this is you giving your own personal viewpoint and judgement on a player despite being deserving based of performances, you singled him out but the criteria doesn't apply to the rest.

So it's clear as day you're playing favourites. When people offer alternatives you reject them and find excuses. With fakhar it was form and you asked people to suggest based of domestic or league performances, so usman was suggested but here it's, usman, well I don't personally rate him lol.

The babar and rizwan bias is extremely clear from your end but you're pretending as if it ain't
 
mominsaigol said:
And see, this is you giving your own personal viewpoint and judgement on a player despite being deserving based of performances, you singled him out but the criteria doesn't apply to the rest.

So it's clear as day you're playing favourites. When people offer alternatives you reject them and find excuses. With fakhar it was form and you asked people to suggest based of domestic or league performances, so usman was suggested but here it's, usman, well I don't personally rate him lol.

The babar and rizwan bias is extremely clear from your end but you're pretending as if it ain't
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I said give someone a go based on their performance. His performance against pace isn't good enough if I am not mistaken Babar and Saim were one of the best against pace. Even for sake of argument give him a go at opening and when he inevitably flops you will be saying why didn't Babar play him at 3
 
PakEngFan said:
I said give someone a go based on their performance. His performance against pace isn't good enough if I am not mistaken Babar and Saim were one of the best against pace. Even for sake of argument give him a go at opening and when he inevitably flops you will be saying why didn't Babar play him at 3
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No I won't be saying so , if a player doesn't perform they need to be dropped.

Babar deserved to be dropped after 4 failures and his Nepal e azam meme
 
PakEngFan said:
I said give someone a go based on their performance. His performance against pace isn't good enough if I am not mistaken Babar and Saim were one of the best against pace. Even for sake of argument give him a go at opening and when he inevitably flops you will be saying why didn't Babar play him at 3
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His performances stats wise are superior to anyone in the psl, by this logic babar's play against spin is garbage something I have noted multiple times, so let's drop Babar because I said so
 
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Rana said:
Really?

If it was working, why was the team totally unbalanced? Why couldn’t you find a single/proper middle order Batsman for Pakistan?

If it was working….why did you have openers batting at 3-4 and even 7 (Sahibzada Farhan)?
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Because you can only have 2 openers.

Middle order is an issue and we continue to recycle the likes of Asif Ali, Khushdil and Iftikhar. We need fresh faces for those slots not increase competition for opening.
 
daytrader said:
Because you can only have 2 openers.

Middle order is an issue and we continue to recycle the likes of Asif Ali, Khushdil and Iftikhar. We need fresh faces for those slots not increase competition for opening.
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So,

It’s not really working is it?
 
mominsaigol said:
His performances stats wise are superior to anyone in the psl, by this logic babar's play against spin is garbage something I have noted multiple times, so let's drop Babar because I said so
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It might be news to you but it is very important for an opener to be solid against pace.
 
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Rana said:
Sunil Narine is solid against pace? Like Alistair Cook solid?
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Sunil Narine is mis and hit kind of guy. He does not need to be good against spin or fast. His sole purpose is to go out there and swing his bat no matter who is bowling. He is neither an anchor nor a stat padder
 
PakEngFan said:
It might be news to you but it is very important for an opener to be solid against pace.
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Ya because rizwan is the king of pace and so is babar right? They clearly don't block and try to survive?

It seems like you don't want usman to succeed because that would mean rizwan's inclusion would be a question mark?
 
BouncerGuy said:
Sunil Narine is mis and hit kind of guy. He does not need to be good against spin or fast. His sole purpose is to go out there and swing his bat no matter who is bowling. He is neither an anchor nor a stat padder
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What exactly is he doing opening in the IPL?
 
BouncerGuy said:
What else can he do? Is he an anchor? No

he is a hit the ball type of guy and that is what he is doing.
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KKR don’t have a shortage of players/batsmen. They can send out anchors to open if they want. The question is,

What Narine is doing in the powerplay as an opener…is that wrong?
 
Rana said:
KKR don’t have a shortage of players/batsmen. They can send out anchors to open if they want. The question is,

What Narine is doing in the powerplay as an opener…is that wrong?
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Nay...KKR is doing what they think is right for them and their team. WOrking for them.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Nay...KKR is doing what they think is right for them and their team. WOrking for them.
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Aha….

So, you do what’s right for you…but not what is right for the purpose of the sport?

Coming to Pakistan in that case, are Pakistan doing the right thing for themselves by playing openers at number 3-4-5 and 7 (Sahibzada Farhan)?
 
Rana said:
Aha….

So, you do what’s right for you…but not what is right for the purpose of the sport?

Coming to Pakistan in that case, are Pakistan doing the right thing for themselves by playing openers at number 3-4-5 and 7 (Sahibzada Farhan)?
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No. That was wrong. Farhan should have opened right away.RIzwan should have been rested.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Let him rest first. Not gonna happen
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You can be honest, I won’t judge you. You are allowed to believe ‘Rizwan should open’. You can deny it too. If Rizwan rests and returns, what number should he bat?
 
mominsaigol said:
Ya because rizwan is the king of pace and so is babar right? They clearly don't block and try to survive?

It seems like you don't want usman to succeed because that would mean rizwan's inclusion would be a question mark?
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Both Babar and rizwan are not just great against pace but they are goat against pace when compared with Usman.
 
Rana said:
You can be honest, I won’t judge you. You are allowed to believe ‘Rizwan should open’. You can deny it too. If Rizwan rests and returns, what number should he bat?
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maybe 4 is the spot. Open should be Babar and Saim.
 
BouncerGuy said:
maybe 4 is the spot. Open should be Babar and Saim.
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I agree with Saim. Not Babar. He shouldn’t be allowed to exploit Pakistan cricket anymore. He bats at number 3 and plays for his country. Not himself.

As for ‘maybe Rizwan at 4’. Well, that doesn’t sound convincing either. At number 4, you need to look at which Pakistani players actually had the cojones to play in those positions in Pakistan domestics and PSL, and have done well in that position. Otherwise you keep making the same mistake of sometimes putting Fakhar there, other times putting Saim there.

A mediocre player like Rizwan should have started to bat at 4 in the PSL instead of trying to shift around Usman Khan and preserving his own spot as an opener.

He (Rizwan) has crimes to pay for as well, just like Misbah.
 
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Ahmed216 said:
As things stand he's the captain. How do you plan to stop him? Other than posting the same thing 100 times daily
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I don’t know

Maybe post 100000 posts more

I’m going to continue doing my thing!!
 
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Rana said:
“The top order is working

Pakistan is not working”

That sounds correct?
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No. Wrong observation.

Pakistan has one of the best T20 teams!

We do have a couple of kinks to work out, like the middle order dilemma and trying to fit in a genuine spinner. Opening though is not a problem
 
daytrader said:
No. Wrong observation.

Pakistan has one of the best T20 teams!

We do have a couple of kinks to work out, like the middle order dilemma and trying to fit in a genuine spinner. Opening though is not a problem
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Low sr in opening is not a problem?
 
daytrader said:
Pakistan has one of the best T20 teams
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I’m pretty sure it’s you who said to me the other day Babar and Rizwan deserve to win the T20 World Cup more than players in NZ and SA because they represent a mediocre team.

So, what happened now?
 
daytrader said:
Why are they more deserving? Rizwan plays for an inferior team and him and Babar carry it. If we win, it would be more deserving
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daytrader said:
Pakistan has one of the best T20 teams!
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Which statement of yours is correct?

If they are inferior to SA and NZ, then it means they are inferior to Australia, England, India, NZ and SA

If they (Pakistan) are one of the best teams, then it means they are top one or two.

Which one is it?
 
Rana said:
I’m pretty sure it’s you who said to me the other day Babar and Rizwan deserve to win the T20 World Cup more than players in NZ and SA because they represent a mediocre team.

So, what happened now?
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Take Babar and Riz out and we won't be able to compete with the best. I've said this many times that it's a miracle we even have these two World class players in the first place
 
Rana said:
Which statement of yours is correct?

If they are inferior to SA and NZ, then it means they are inferior to Australia, England, India, NZ and SA

If they (Pakistan) are one of the best teams, then it means they are top one or two.

Which one is it?
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Both are correct. We don't have a professional board nor structures to churn out players like Babar and Rizwan regularly. Babar and Rizwan make us one of the best
 
daytrader said:
Take Babar and Riz out and we won't be able to compete with the best. I've said this many times that it's a miracle we even have these two World class players in the first place
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What? Pakistan were virtually playing with 9 men in the last T20 world cups. Babar and Rizwan contributed hardly anything. They can still fluke their way here and there

How can you say with absolute certainty that Pakistan cannot compete with anyone without those two?
 
daytrader said:
Both are correct. We don't have a professional board nor structures to churn out players like Babar and Rizwan regularly. Babar and Rizwan make us one of the best
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Come off it mate. Unfortunately, yourself and a few others have recently been contradicting your own arguments as consistently as Babar and Rizwan’s below 130 strike rate as T20 openers.

It’s happening a bit too regularly. Why is it happening? I believe it’s because you guys stand on no truth. You have to resort to a dishonest comment upon dishonest comment in order to cover up your arguments (which have zero substance).

Let it go man. You only lose your own credibility like this.
 
Rana said:
What? Pakistan were virtually playing with 9 men in the last T20 world cups. Babar and Rizwan contributed hardly anything. They can still fluke their way here and there

How can you say with absolute certainty that Pakistan cannot compete with anyone without those two?
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In 2021 they were our best batters and top the charts and did something that no Pakistani team did before.

In 2022, I admit they had a poor start to the tournament but did come through in the semi final.
 
Rana said:
Come off it mate. Unfortunately, yourself and a few others have recently been contradicting your own arguments as consistently as Babar and Rizwan’s below 130 strike rate as T20 openers.

It’s happening a bit too regularly. Why is it happening? I believe it’s because you guys stand on no truth. You have to resort to a dishonest comment upon dishonest comment in order to cover up your arguments (which have zero substance).

Let it go man. You only lose your own credibility like this.
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So which part is dishonest? Do we have a professional board or structures in place like the ACB, ECB or BCCI?

Do we have openers striking higher than RizBar in T20 internationals?
 
MS Dhoni made 28(9) tonight against LSG, So its clear when you are playing for team not team spot than statpadding disappears. Lessons for Kohli here
 
Statpadder Inc said:
eh, dhoni has played worse statpadding than kohli ever has
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Yep thats my point when you are not playing for a spot in the national squad then you play the most fearless brand of cricket. That's why Virat not good for India in shorter format anymore.
 
What a poor display by KL Rahul today, singlehandedly scripted the exit of LSG from top 4 race with his awful statpadding. Good for India, he is not in their WC squad.

He made 29(33) today as an opener lol.
 
It depends on the pitch.

If venue is New York or Mirpur, an anchor or two can be beneficial. If pitch is flat, there is no room for an anchor.
 
Shoaib Malik via TenSports:

"Play for the team, you have to give your team the best chance to qualify. Kaleem Sana, Junaid Siddique and Saad bin Zafar were not getting help from the conditions. Babar hit a six straight against Junaid and he stepped out only once, Rizwan didn't until he scored his fifty. This was not what the team required, don't let the game go deep if you have it in your hand."
 
Anti statpadding kept England in the tournament and are now playing a semi final


Anti statpadding has enabled India to remove Australia today, one of the biggest threats to their campaign
 
Mamoon said:
Yes. There is more than one way to skin a cat but people with a one track mind will not understand.

Sri Lanka won the 2014 T20 WC with the following strike rates of their top 5:

Perera - 155
Dilshan - 105
Jayawardene - 125
Sangakkara - 100
Thirimmane - 110

As per the ignoramuses on PP, a T20 top 5 where only batsman is striking at 150+ and everyone else is striking at 125 or below is a recipe for disaster, but yet Sri Lanka won the World Cup with a batting lineup where 4 out of 5 batsmen in the top 5 where “stat padding” and “playing anchor” as per the PP definitions.
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What a great post
 
Rana said:
Loved how this fact materialised for you in the year 2024
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None of that changes the fact that SL won the World Cup in 2014 while stat-padding so the answer to this thread is “yes”.
 
Mamoon said:
None of that changes the fact that SL won the World Cup in 2014 while stat-padding so the answer to this thread is “yes”.
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Is that what Babar and Rizwan thought as well? Were they wrong in the year 2024?
 
Rana said:
Anti statpadding kept England in the tournament and are now playing a semi final


Anti statpadding has enabled India to remove Australia today, one of the biggest threats to their campaign
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I should also add

Anti Statpadding by QDQ helped South Africa fend off a dangerous England side and helped them drastically to top the group through into the semis
 
Rana said:
Anti statpadding kept England in the tournament and are now playing a semi final


Anti statpadding has enabled India to remove Australia today, one of the biggest threats to their campaign
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Tbf, Australia didn't stat pad either. The pitch was a road but it became a bit more difficult later on with the ball getting softer.

Australia would have beaten India if rohit didn't do what he did. They did their homework for everyone but because rohit never fired in the tournament it caught em by suprise. Og goal was defo to let India get 160-180 and chase.

Neither of the semi final teams atm aka England, SA or India stat padded really. Excluding some members of the guilty party such as Hendricks, kohli etc etc. But these 2 didn't hinder anyone cause quinton and rohit/Sky are just that good.
 
Stat padding can work on some surfaces like how it helped Pakistan in 2021 WC. If the surfaces are like what we we saw in the game between India & Australia, statpadders have no place in the XI. You cannot defend Pakistan's approach by showing stats from 2014, the game was different back then compared to now. The surfaces in Bangladesh weren't always best for batting in that tournament and scores weren't that high either. When you look at that tournament the average scores were around 140 with a few games having 170's and 180's. For example SL scored 119 against NZ and won the game by 60 runs.
 
If Pakistan had filled their roster with more stat-padders, they would have at least advanced to the second round. They wouldn't have been three down for 13 against the USA and most likely would have won the match against India. Let this World Cup be a lesson: either select players who have a proper hitting technique or choose proper batsmen. Don't select ineffective players like UK and AK, and don't force SK into a middle-order role and expect him to perform well.
 
Rana said:
Anti statpadding kept England in the tournament and are now playing a semi final


Anti statpadding has enabled India to remove Australia today, one of the biggest threats to their campaign
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Gurbaz SR 78 and Zadran SR 62 eliminated Australia and Bangladesh and also helped Afghanistan qualify for their first ever World Cup SF. :klopp
 
Mamoon said:
Gurbaz SR 78 and Zadran SR 62 eliminated Australia and Bangladesh and also helped Afghanistan qualify for their first ever World Cup SF. :klopp
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Yes it's about the balance in the side. Pak are losing so emphatically now because the middle order does not exist and Babar is playing pseudo all-rounders as spinners
 
Ahmed216 said:
Yes it's about the balance in the side. Pak are losing so emphatically now because the middle order does not exist and Babar is playing pseudo all-rounders as spinners
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SR means nothing outside the context of the match. It all depends on the conditions and what the situation demands.

One track mind fans don’t understand this and think that playing aggressive cricket at a high SR is the only way to play which is nonsense.
 
Mamoon said:
Gurbaz SR 78 and Zadran SR 62 eliminated Australia and Bangladesh and also helped Afghanistan qualify for their first ever World Cup SF. :klopp
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Great excuse now for RizBar fans

InshaAllah Pakistan continue with this strategy
 
Mamoon said:
SR means nothing outside the context of the match. It all depends on the conditions and what the situation demands.

One track mind fans don’t understand this and think that playing aggressive cricket at a high SR is the only way to play which is nonsense.
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Fakhar zaman playing a stupid shot when pak needed 47 off 47 against India was an example. He needed to pick singles considering the garbage to follow. And I am sure this non sense hungama about SR had a lot to do with it
 
Rana said:
Great excuse now for RizBar fans

InshaAllah Pakistan continue with this strategy
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It is the right strategy when you look at the available resources. Find Pakistan openers like Head, Buttler, Salt, De Kock etc. and Pakistan will disband this strategy in no time.
 
Mamoon said:
It is the right strategy when you look at the available resources. Find Pakistan openers like Head, Buttler, Salt, De Kock etc. and Pakistan will disband this strategy in no time.
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Yes. Keep it going

All the best!
 
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Ahmed216 said:
Fakhar zaman playing a stupid shot when pak needed 47 off 47 against India was an example. He needed to pick singles considering the garbage to follow. And I am sure this non sense hungama about SR had a lot to do with it
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Labuschagne’s 50 in 110 balls in the World Cup final is one of the most impactful and match winning half-centuries ever.

As a batsman, you will be one of the biggest match losers for your team if you think that batting at a high SR is the only way to play your cricket no matter what the context of the game is.
 
cricketmania22 said:
If Pakistan had filled their roster with more stat-padders,
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I think issue is all stat padders are mental midgets.Players wjo don't have higher gear or mental midgets will resort to stat padding.Any player with decent skill, team player mentality will never do stat padding.All these stat padders should be selfish by default to put team goal at risk.
 
Unfortunately for Pak, both it's seasoned stats padders failed at their most accomplished art this world cup.

Else a semis berth was certain with stats padding/anchoring type of cricket along with the kind of bowlers and finishers Pak has.
:inti
 
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