[VIDEOS] Donald Trump blasts Volodymyr Zelensky as 'disrespectful' in public blow-up at White House

[Bhaijaan]

Very poor from Trump to humiliate Zelensky this way. He could’ve been slightly softer in his words when the cameras were on and given him stern words when cameras were off.
Zelensky is the leader of a free nation and did not deserve to be humiliated that way.

Behind the door talks had been going on for a long time and Zelensky wasn’t listening to them. So they screwed him like this. This was a trap by Trump administration. This will forever be known as the Oval Screwjob

 

[Bhaijaan]

Throughout history, when an empire nears the end of its global dominance, it often falls under the rule of narcissistic leaders who believe they can preserve its power through intimidation. The US is no exception. With $36 trillion in debt, its decline is inevitable. Once the European Union eventually distances itself, the US dollar will lose its value, accelerating the empire’s collapse, something that was already underway. Trump, the theatrical narcissist, is merely speeding up the process.

While the media thrives on the drama unfolding in the White House, those who understand the shifting global order recognize that today’s events are far more consequential than mere political spectacle.

Despite having one of the world’s strongest GDPs, the US economy fails its middle class. A household earning $150k a year struggles to afford a home and barely makes ends meet. Trump won’t fix this if anything, he will ensure the middle class continues to erode, shifting whatever wealth remains into the hands of billionaires. The rise of ‘tech-feudalism’ is no longer just a theory, it’s becoming reality.

Unfortunately all the rich people of poor countries would still buy the golden card and make them richer.

 

[Sachin fan]

And that is what Trump is trying to avoid getting the US into. He is a complete 360 degree ttpe of president the US has never seen with respect to US foreign policy. Turning it on its head. And the banitmya thakur analogy doesn't apply here - as Trump is not asking any special favors for the aid. He is asking for the war to be ended and also save young Ukrainian and Russian lives as well. He is very anti war- the first US pres to be so anti war in along long time and willing to talk to adversaries like Putin, Jim etc

For war to end putin has to pull back. That's it, that's all is needed

It's hilarious people think the war mongering trump is some kind of peace seeker when all he wants is for ukraine to concede territory and how to russian demand

No self respecting country will ever do that, concede territory and be slaves of an enemy.



When you posts stuff like this, you not only insult the intelligence of other people but your own too. Looks as if like trump, you guys are also used to lying and living in some alternate world

 

[HaiderAmmar]

It's US money. Whether they give or not it's upto their discretion. When you are begging, you can not present it as demand. Seems unfair? Then don't beg.

It has nothing to do with your disrespecting Trump claim. No, it was the opposite and it was Trump who was openly disrespecting and insulting the Ukrainian President.

So, you also found an excuse to deny the Budapest agreement.

Soon you will also find an excuse when Israel will usurp the whole Palestine.

And in the next step, you will also find and excuse when Trump attacks Canada or Greenland (or Panama).

People with no morals are like that blood thirsty wolf who wanted to eat the lamb. And then the wolf started making EXCUSE like the lame was making his drinking water dirty ... and then the next excuse that he made the water dirty the last years ... and in the last that lamb's mother made it dirty ... and after making all these excuses he ate the lamb.

 

[Bhaijaan]

And that is what Trump is trying to avoid getting the US into. He is a complete 360 degree ttpe of president the US has never seen with respect to US foreign policy. Turning it on its head. And the banitmya thakur analogy doesn't apply here - as Trump is not asking any special favors for the aid. He is asking for the war to be ended and also save young Ukrainian and Russian lives as well. He is very anti war- the first US pres to be so anti war in along long time and willing to talk to adversaries like Putin, Jim etc

He’s talking about ending war by scolding the weaker nation and intimidating them to submit and give up land. That’s strong leadership according to you?

I appreciate anti war leaders but I would respect US more if they would take both sides on with same attitude.

All i see is Trump being a sissy to Putin and Hulk yo Zelensky.

I am no fan of Zelensky, he’s a total fool himself and a warmonger.

 

[Sachin fan]

So the traitor russian stooge/asset wants Russia to get it's way. How is this a surprise to anyone but his lowest of low IQ followers? He being a traitor russian asset is something widely known.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

Read the whole thing and not cherry pick. No excuses. If EU Japan SK care so much- let them go help amd fund Ukraine. But none want to do. Talk is cheap.. let them put their money where their mouths are.

I have read the whole article and there is nothing more in it.

Dictators like Trump want to destroy UN and all rules of the civilized world. They want to be above the Law.

As I wrote above, the end result would be:

So, you also found an excuse to deny the Budapest agreement.

Soon you will also find an excuse when Israel will usurp the whole Palestine.

And in the next step, you will also find and excuse when Trump attacks Canada or Greenland (or Panama).

People with no morals are like that blood thirsty wolf who wanted to eat the lamb. And then the wolf started making EXCUSE like the lame was making his drinking water dirty ... and then the next excuse that he made the water dirty the last years ... and in the last that lamb's mother made it dirty ... and after making all these excuses he ate the lamb.

 

[Itachi]

It has nothing to do with your disrespecting Trump claim. No, it was the opposite and it was Trump who was openly disrespecting and insulting the Ukrainian President.

So, you also found an excuse to deny the Budapest agreement.

Soon you will also find an excuse when Israel will usurp the whole Palestine.

And in the next step, you will also find and excuse when Trump attacks Canada or Greenland (or Panama).

People with no morals are like that blood thirsty wolf who wanted to eat the lamb. And then the wolf started making EXCUSE like the lame was making his drinking water dirty ... and then the next excuse that he made the water dirty the last years ... and in the last that lamb's mother made it dirty ... and after making all these excuses he ate the lamb.

I specifically asked. Which clause in Budapest agreement makes it obligation for US.

Can you show the quotes?

 

[Sachin fan]

Allies who dont contribute their fair share are not allies. China is the biggest threat to the world by far. Russia is nowhere near. Its just the old timers in US who view Russia as the biggest threat. Its a reality check for these countries who constantly ttry to criticize US without contributing anything. There is a reason why Trump and Modi get along so well and the US Ind Strategic partnership will be defining partmership of the next half century. For both its country first. Modi as well has spoken out against the war. No winners in a war. Just prolonged misery. All the EU nations Canada etc are trigger happy for a war with Russia. If so- they should do it themselves and not ask US for help.

European leaders have called out actual numbers to call out trump lies yet we have people still parroting the lies. In fact europe even supported US in theek unjust war in Iraq and in Afghanistan when US needed them but now when europe needs US trump is stabbing them in the back

And there is a million proof of putin wanting to completely destroy america, proven in actual court cases

I will repeat, putin is the one who attacked and for war to end he just needs to pull back

Pretending supporting putin is being anti war is being a dishonest gaslighter who no one will respect

 

[deltexas]

For war to end putin has to pull back. That's it, that's all is needed

It's hilarious people think the war mongering trump is some kind of peace seeker when all he wants is for ukraine to concede territory and how to russian demand

No self respecting country will ever do that, concede territory and be slaves of an enemy.



When you posts stuff like this, you not only insult the intelligence of other people but your own too. Looks as if like trump, you guys are also used to lying and living in some alternate world

Again, that is why it is a "compromise". Ukraine is no position to negotiate without the US behind it. Unfortunate but the reality. Ukraine will have to accede some territory for a compromise. "War mongering" Trump? What war has he started unlike Bush or Obama or other US presidents ? Which US leader had the gall to meet adversaries like Putin, Jim etc. It can be political suicide.

If no "self respecting" country will do it, then they should fight it themselves and not beg other countries. No " self respecting" country would beg for funds. See how silly that sounds.

Having a viewpoint with logic is insulting intelligence ?? Again, nobody is asking Zelensky to come to the US for aid. Folks like Zelensky and other "moralistic" guys infact are the ones in an alternate reality without realizing the ground realities.

 

[deltexas]

I have read the whole article and there is nothing more in it.

Dictators like Trump want to destroy UN and all rules of the civilized world. They want to be above the Law.

As I wrote above, the end result would be:

So, you also found an excuse to deny the Budapest agreement.

Soon you will also find an excuse when Israel will usurp the whole Palestine.

And in the next step, you will also find and excuse when Trump attacks Canada or Greenland (or Panama).

People with no morals are like that blood thirsty wolf who wanted to eat the lamb. And then the wolf started making EXCUSE like the lame was making his drinking water dirty ... and then the next excuse that he made the water dirty the last years ... and in the last that lamb's mother made it dirty ... and after making all these excuses he ate the lamb.

No excuses nada, it is what it is in the agreement. Again why doesnt EU China Pak Saudi Iran take the initiative ? Why just the US ? Share some responsibility instead of just empty talk.
Palestine/Israel is not this thread's discussion but Will just say this and can discuss in Palestine thread - they rebuffed peace deals that were a compromise and now have to deal with the consequences.
Trump is not attacking Canada. And on Greenland or Panama - you dont even the know the extent of Chinese mafia type control there.
Excuses are made by people who dont accept ground realities and are nor directly impacted by war zones.

 

[bones]

I will repeat, putin is the one who attacked and for war to end he just needs to pull back

Why would he pull back? He's winning. They longer this goes, the more he takes.

That's why Trump said to Zelensky "you have no cards".

The war ends only when Ukraine surrenders.

 

[bones]

The amount of dishonest and gaslighting on this thread by some Indian brown uncle toms is hilarious

Imagine being so dishonest you think supporting someone who attacked and independent country and wants to annex them is being anti war.

Trump supporters really think everyone is as gullible or stupid as them. They will go down in history as not only being completely dishonest but incredibly stupid and gullible.

They took Crimea under Obama. They took the Donbas under Biden. Yet Trump is the warmonger?

I think there's a lot of stupidity going around in this thread, mostly from you...

 

[bones]

Dictators like Trump want to destroy UN and

Didn't he get democratically elected recently? I mean he did make it clear during the campaign he wanted to end this war quickly and he is trying.

 

[deltexas]

European leaders have called out actual numbers to call out trump lies yet we have people still parroting the lies. In fact europe even supported US in theek unjust war in Iraq and in Afghanistan when US needed them but now when europe needs US trump is stabbing them in the back


And there is a million proof of putin wanting to completely destroy america, proven in actual court cases


I will repeat, putin is the one who attacked and for war to end he just needs to pull back

Pretending supporting putin is being anti war is being a dishonest gaslighter who no one will respect

Actual numbers ?? Care to share please.

Yes its Putin who attacked and he is a tyrant, so nobody is asking Ukraine not to fight back if they want to. Why beg the US for billions of dollars and military? US doesnt care if Zelensky says - Mr. Trump, we dont need you or your aid. We will fight by ourselves. Thank you. Can Zelensky do that ? If not , he has to accept the terms Trump gives him.

Did I ever support Putin anywhere ?? He is an evil man but you ignore the realities of war which a previous poster mentioned here earlier. Please go read that.

Putin wants to destroy US ?? Well guess what , China wants to destroy US more than anyone. Thats just geopolitics. China wants to destroy Ind. Pak and Ban want to destroy Ind

Again , nobody denies Putin attacked first ? So, let Ukraine and Zelensky go destroy Putin then . Who is stopping them ?

 

[bones]

He’s talking about ending war by scolding the weaker nation and intimidating them to submit and give up land. That’s strong leadership according to you?

I appreciate anti war leaders but I would respect US more if they would take both sides on with same attitude.

All i see is Trump being a sissy to Putin and Hulk yo Zelensky.

I am no fan of Zelensky, he’s a total fool himself and a warmonger.

The weaker nations is going to lose land, that's absolutely certain. The question is how much land?

That's the problem, there are still people foolish enough to think Ukraine are winning or can win.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC AND DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL REMARKS AT EACHOTHER....

 

[deltexas]

Throughout history, when an empire nears the end of its global dominance, it often falls under the rule of narcissistic leaders who believe they can preserve its power through intimidation. The US is no exception. With $36 trillion in debt, its decline is inevitable. Once the European Union eventually distances itself, the US dollar will lose its value, accelerating the empire’s collapse, something that was already underway. Trump, the theatrical narcissist, is merely speeding up the process.

While the media thrives on the drama unfolding in the White House, those who understand the shifting global order recognize that today’s events are far more consequential than mere political spectacle.

Despite having one of the world’s strongest GDPs, the US economy fails its middle class. A household earning $150k a year struggles to afford a home and barely makes ends meet. Trump won’t fix this if anything, he will ensure the middle class continues to erode, shifting whatever wealth remains into the hands of billionaires. The rise of ‘tech-feudalism’ is no longer just a theory, it’s becoming reality.

Just shows how little you know of US resilience and innovation and its people. What CNN shows worldwide is not the actual US. EU is a dying force. The US is o far ahead of others and also because its basics are strong - a strong robust democracy with equality. An alien concept for some folks. the Us middle class is still one of the most successful in the world. There will always be billionaires in every nation and in history. Communism where everyone makes $40k a year will never exist nor is practical.

 

[HalBass9]

I’m not a fan of Zelensky, and I believe the only way to end this war is to address its root cause, US funding. However, today’s event had nothing to do with that.

It was about the US losing its composure as a global leader from the house that symbolizes US strength over the years. Reporters openly belittled him, asking, ‘Why don’t you wear a suit?’, just as Trump did when he recieved him.

The whole world saw it, it was glaringly obvious. The US is foolishly isolating itself while still insisting on being the sole superpower. That approach won’t work.

 

[bones]

Very poor from Trump to humiliate Zelensky this way. He could’ve been slightly softer in his words when the cameras were on and given him stern words when cameras were off.
Zelensky is the leader of a free nation and did not deserve to be humiliated that way.

He went to sign a deal which he verbally agreed earlier. He went to talk about and agree to a ceasefire.

He said no to both and got publicly slapped down. The problem is Zelensky really has no cards. He's losing the war badly, his economy is in tatters and without US support Russia will just keep going and take more land.

Zelensky is no hero, he's an idiot who sending more and more men to die. Even Vance called him out on this, they're flooding the front line with forced conscripts.

 

[HalBass9]

Just shows how little you know of US resilience and innovation and its people. What CNN shows worldwide is not the actual US. EU is a dying force. The US is o far ahead of others and also because its basics are strong - a strong robust democracy with equality. An alien concept for some folks. the Us middle class is still one of the most successful in the world. There will always be billionaires in every nation and in history. Communism where everyone makes $40k a year will never exist nor is practical.

No!

 

[aboveandbeyond]

A trade deal where Americans sets the rules... I guess UK has always been a lap dog of the US so it's only normal they complied... I don't care wither way, I just loved the way Vance spoke about free speech to Starmer..

Americans set the RULES to all comers bar the AIPAC agenda.

 

[bones]

I’m not a fan of Zelensky, and I believe the only way to end this war is to address its root cause, US funding.

The only way? The other way is to keep fighting and let's see how that ends for Ukraine.

They've lost, time is up on Zelensky and in a few days he'll be grovelling to make a deal.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

I specifically asked. Which clause in Budapest agreement makes it obligation for US.

Can you show the quotes?

Call it a moral obligation or whatever, but the obligation is there. Even without Budapest agreement, the moral obligation stays there as a representative of a civilized world.
In the absence of civilized world, where "might is right" become the law (as Trump and all other dictators like Putin, Netanyahu, Modi want), then the world will see the same bloodshed and wars that we saw till the establishment of the UN.

Yes, the UN was not 100% perfect, but it was much better than era of Dictators like Hitler.

 

[HalBass9]

The only way? The other way is to keep fighting and let's see how that ends for Ukraine.

They've lost, time is up on Zelensky and in a few days he'll be grovelling to make a deal.

 

[Bhaijaan]

One guy who came out a winner last night was JD Vance. Leaders around the world would give an arm to have a Vice like that. He took over.

 

[deltexas]

He’s talking about ending war by scolding the weaker nation and intimidating them to submit and give up land. That’s strong leadership according to you?

I appreciate anti war leaders but I would respect US more if they would take both sides on with same attitude.

All i see is Trump being a sissy to Putin and Hulk yo Zelensky.

I am no fan of Zelensky, he’s a total fool himself and a warmonger.

Practical leadership I would say. US cant be using US taxpayers money to fund all these foreign wars.. Bush led US into Afg and Ira war for no reason - 20 yr + wars. He is asking Zelensky for some concessions if Ukraine wants US money and aid. If Zelensky says he doesnt need any and says he will destroy Putin with no US help, Trump is not opposing it. It is not US's war nor Trump's war - trump has to look out for his own people before spending it on foreign wars. He hammered Bush on that and ended Bush's political legacy by labelling Bush a war monger.

US took Zelensky side for 3 years now giving close to $300 billion US taxpayer dollars. No end in sight and he wants to continue the war with no end date. He can go ahead , just that US cant fund his goals or whatever he wants to achieve.

If being sissy helps prevent or end a war and saves human lives and suffering - so be it. No issues.

And Zelensky should have been less gung ho and should have avoided starting the war in the first place.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

Excuses are made by people who dont accept ground realities and are nor directly impacted by war zones.

Are you or Trump are more impacted by war zone than Ukrainians themselves? If not, then what you are talking about?

Ukraine already saw it that giving land to Russia is not an option as Russia didn't stop on 2014 borders, but went ahead while the world didn't become united against Russia in 2014.

Again, this time too, Trump is not giving any obligatory guarantee (in your words). So, it means if Russian again invade Ukraine and capture the rest of it, then Trump and YOU will again be coming with these same lame excuses that you are making today.

Palestine/Israel is not this thread's discussion but Will just say this and can discuss in Palestine thread - they rebuffed peace deals that were a compromise and now have to deal with the consequences.

Sorry, but al-Fateh did make the full compromise of accepting Israel, but Israel didn't. Yes, Israel kept on occupying illegal settlements. No International law was able to stop it while Israel made it a "law of Jungle" and the US supported it.

So, what if the US again attacks Canada or Greenland or Panama? Again we will see the law of jungle and might is right.

Trump is not attacking Canada. And on Greenland or Panama - you dont even the know the extent of Chinese mafia type control there.

Again you are making the lame excuse of Chinese Mafia in Greenland and Panama for validating Trump's wars upon them. Even Israel also has such lame excuses to capture the whole Palestine and it used it while the civilized world (the US) kept on supporting it.

Dictators like Trump and their supporters are the same bloodthirsty wolves. They will always create any lame excuse for their killings.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Practical leadership I would say. US cant be using US taxpayers money to fund all these foreign wars.. Bush led US into Afg and Ira war for no reason - 20 yr + wars. He is asking Zelensky for some concessions if Ukraine wants US money and aid. If Zelensky says he doesnt need any and says he will destroy Putin with no US help, Trump is not opposing it. It is not US's war nor Trump's war - trump has to look out for his own people before spending it on foreign wars. He hammered Bush on that and ended Bush's political legacy by labelling Bush a war monger.

US took Zelensky side for 3 years now giving close to $300 billion US taxpayer dollars. No end in sight and he wants to continue the war with no end date. He can go ahead , just that US cant fund his goals or whatever he wants to achieve.

If being sissy helps prevent or end a war and saves human lives and suffering - so be it. No issues.

And Zelensky should have been less gung ho and should have avoided starting the war in the first place.

This is about Ukraine and not about Zelensky. Leaders come and go.
What we see here is US intimidating Ukraine to give a vast amount of land to Russia when they have very strong cards to negotiate tough with the Russians first. Why wouldn't Trump administration have a similar open media session with Russian counterparts and be fair to both parties? They chose to talk to Russians behind closed doors and with Ukraine they're beinG a bully in open.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Starmer speaks to Trump and Zelensky after White House row

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has spoken to US President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky after a meeting between the two leaders in Washington descended into a row about US support for Ukraine.

Zelensky was welcomed to the White House by Trump, but the cordial talks ended in a shouting match in front of the media in the Oval Office as Trump told his Ukrainian counterpart to be more thankful for US aid and accused him of "gambling with World War Three".

A statement from No 10 on Friday night confirmed the prime minister had spoken with the US and Ukrainian presidents and that he retained "unwavering support for Ukraine".

Zelensky is due in the UK on Sunday as Sir Keir hosts a summit of European leaders to discuss an end to the war between Ukraine and Russia.

A No 10 spokesperson said: "The prime minister has tonight spoken to both President Trump and President Zelensky.

"He retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine.

"The prime minister looks forward to hosting international leaders on Sunday including President Zelensky."

The Oval Office spat prompted words of support for Zelensky from key European allies, including France and Germany.

In the heated clash at the White House, both Trump and Zelensky interrupted each other repeatedly during what was supposed to be a prelude to the two leaders signing a minerals deal.

US Vice President JD Vance, sat alongside others in the room, was also involved.

A press conference scheduled to take place later in the day was cancelled, and Zelensky was asked to leave the White House before the minerals agreement could be signed.

In a later interview with Fox News, Zelensky said the public spat "was not good" - but the relationship between him and Trump could be salvaged.

Sir Keir had met with Trump in the Oval Office on Thursday, and the pair agreed to begin work on a new US-UK trade deal.

The prime minister also came bearing a letter from King Charles III inviting Trump for a second state visit.

There had been speculation that Sir Keir had also gone into the meeting to seek a US Security "backstop" in a European peace plan for the war in Ukraine. However, the US president stopped short of confirming such a commitment.

Trump had previously criticised Sir Keir and French President Emmanuel Macron, whom he met on Monday, of having "done nothing" to seek an end to the war in Ukraine.

Reaction to Friday's meeting between Trump and Zelensky appeared to largely fall along partisan lines among US politicians, with Republicans praising Trump and Democrats criticising him.

French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk were among the European leaders who expressed solidarity with Zelensky.

Friedrich Merz, who is expected to become Germany's next chancellor, wrote that he stood with Ukraine "in good and testing times", adding: "We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war."

In a statement, Conservative party leader Kemi Badenoch said "respectable diplomacy is essential for peace", adding that a "divided West only benefits Russia".

Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey suggested Trump and Vance were "bullying the brave true patriot Zelensky into accepting a deal that effectively hands victory to Russia".

The leader of the SNP at Westminster leader Stephen Flynn said the offer to Mr Trump of a second state visit should be revoked.

In Ukraine, there was broad appreciation for Zelensky holding his ground over what many Ukrainians see as an existential war.

"Trump's administration was so arrogant," one man in Kyiv told the BBC. "When you look at Zelensky's face, you understand that the discussion behind closed doors was not so polite."

Russia, meanwhile, said Trump and Vance had acted with restraint. A foreign ministry spokeswoman said it was a miracle the pair had not hit Zelensky.

BBC

 

[HaiderAmmar]

US took Zelensky side for 3 years now giving close to $300 billion US taxpayer dollars. No end in sight and he wants to continue the war with no end date. He can go ahead , just that US cant fund his goals or whatever he wants to achieve.

Why are you keep repeating the lie of Trump? It was not 300 USD. but not even half of it. EU contributed more than it.

This is another trait of Trump which I hate the most, i.e. telling lies and then keep repeating it intentionally. A person with such a behaviour has the worst character. I just hope you prove yourself different than Trump in this regard.

And the US sent only 40+ years old weapons from the Cold War era.

 

[deltexas]

One guy who came out a winner last night was JD Vance. Leaders around the world would give an arm to have a Vice like that. He took over.

JD Vance is one of the most polished sophisticated speakers I have seen in US politics in a long time and he is a very loyal character. His political debate speeches are like Bill Clinton's who with such a straight face said I did not have s with that w LOL !

 

[deltexas]

Are you or Trump are more impacted by war zone than Ukrainians themselves? If not, then what you are talking about?

Ukraine already saw it that giving land to Russia is not an option as Russia didn't stop on 2014 borders, but went ahead while the world didn't become united against Russia in 2014.

Again, this time too, Trump is not giving any obligatory guarantee (in your words). So, it means if Russian again invade Ukraine and capture the rest of it, then Trump and YOU will again be coming with these same lame excuses that you are making today.



Sorry, but al-Fateh did make the full compromise of accepting Israel, but Israel didn't. Yes, Israel kept on occupying illegal settlements. No International law was able to stop it while Israel made it a "law of Jungle" and the US supported it.

So, what if the US again attacks Canada or Greenland or Panama? Again we will see the law of jungle and might is right.



Again you are making the lame excuse of Chinese Mafia in Greenland and Panama for validating Trump's wars upon them. Even Israel also has such lame excuses to capture the whole Palestine and it used it while the civilized world (the US) kept on supporting it.

Dictators like Trump and their supporters are the same bloodthirsty wolves. They will always create any lame excuse for their killings.

Yes Ukrainians are impacted 100% , never said no on that. And so yes, Zelensky can go ahead , fight and destroy Putin. The world will be happy and Trump even happier if Zelensky does it. Issue is Zelensky wants US to fund the war and send billions of dollars and military equipment. Let Zelensky ask US to stay out of his war with Ukraine and US/Trump will gladly oblige.

Again , US is not attacking anyone. But if Panama is greedy or silly enough to give or yield control of Panama canal to China - then yes , its a danger to the US , the world and all global shipping routes and US will or should take appropriate action by controlling this world trade route.

As I said, Israel/Palestine if not the topic of this thread and I can it discuss it on that thread.

Ground realities are tough to accept and folks will have opinions on it.

 

[deltexas]

This is about Ukraine and not about Zelensky. Leaders come and go.
What we see here is US intimidating Ukraine to give a vast amount of land to Russia when they have very strong cards to negotiate tough with the Russians first. Why wouldn't Trump administration have a similar open media session with Russian counterparts and be fair to both parties? They chose to talk to Russians behind closed doors and with Ukraine they're beinG a bully in open.

Yes understood and both Zelensky and Trump have come and both will go as well.

Russia will not agree without some land. Thats just the unfortunate reality. US will have to send its military and troops to really arm twist Putin and Trump has no interest whatsover in it. Not US's war. Cant spend US taxpayers funds. Wars take a terrible toll on a nations' economy and growth setting them back decades. For all of Putins bravado - Russia is set back atleast 2-3 decades now.

Zelesnky could have said no but he came over and started being belligerent. Maybe if he steps down and some other Ukraine leader comes in - someone more polished , maybe some one like Jayshankar ! - maybe it would help with a reset in talks.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

And Zelensky should have been less gung ho and should have avoided starting the war in the first place.

Why are you once again repeating Trump's lies?
It was not Zelensky who started the war, but it was Putin, who even attacked directly on Kiev and wanted to take the whole Ukraine.
When will these lies stop?

US took Zelensky side for 3 years now giving close to $300 billion US taxpayer dollars. No end in sight and he wants to continue the war with no end date. He can go ahead , just that US cant fund his goals or whatever he wants to achieve.

Yes, and this support to Ukraine for 3 years stopped Putin from attacking Kiev and taking the whole Ukraine.

And what do you mean by "No End"? Then all small states should stop RESISTING whenever a bigger power attack them while none of them have any cards.

Dictators like Trump only want to end all Internal laws, while dictators always want to stay above any law and want to practice "the law of jungle".

With accepting your EXCUSE of "No End" will bring only and only and only "No End" to aggressive invasions by bigger powers upon smaller states and there will be no end to their miseries.

 

[Sachin fan]

Again, that is why it is a "compromise". Ukraine is no position to negotiate without the US behind it. Unfortunate but the reality. Ukraine will have to accede some territory for a compromise. "War mongering" Trump? What war has he started unlike Bush or Obama or other US presidents ? Which US leader had the gall to meet adversaries like Putin, Jim etc. It can be political suicide.

If no "self respecting" country will do it, then they should fight it themselves and not beg other countries. No " self respecting" country would beg for funds. See how silly that sounds.

Having a viewpoint with logic is insulting intelligence ?? Again, nobody is asking Zelensky to come to the US for aid. Folks like Zelensky and other "moralistic" guys infact are the ones in an alternate reality without realizing the ground realities.

That's for Ukraine to decide and not the russian stooge.

Conceding ukraine territory is as unsafe for Europe as conceding kashmir to china. If America asks India to compromise with China on that, will india keep quiet? Europe suported US in Iraq and Afghanistan but now when they need US support the russian stooge is backstabbing them

And there is no courage needed in bootlicking fascist, every wannabe fascist in history have bootlicked other facists.

Zelensky is not being moralistic but protecting his country and citizens which traitor supporters don't understand.

And when you support the war mongerer putin and blame the victim ukraine and then pretend you and your trump is anti war, you are insulting everyone's intelligence

The saddest thing is that trump has always been dumb and simplistic who has failed in every single venture including bankrupting casinos which is impossible.

His extreme simplistic view on everything from economy to global relationship to diseases is going to doom humanity itself. We are going to see recession and world wars under him.

And trump supporters are going to be judged very harshly in history for believing his dumb simplistic view. There is a reason most intellectuals, economists, scientists, doctors, artists all consider him really really dumb and only simple people fall for him.

 

[deltexas]

Why are you keep repeating the lie of Trump? It was not 300 USD. but not even half of it. EU contributed more than it.

This is another trait of Trump which I hate the most, i.e. telling lies and then keep repeating it intentionally. A person with such a behaviour has the worst character. I just hope you prove yourself different than Trump in this regard.

And the US sent only 40+ years old weapons from the Cold War era.

Straight from the horse's mouth from EU delegation , here you go :

EU Assistance to Ukraine (in U.S. Dollars)

Last updated March 24, 2025. To view a PDF version, please click here. The European Union (EU) and our 27 Member States remain united and determined in our unprecedented support for Ukraine. Since the start of the war, the EU and our Member States have made available close to $149 billion* in...

www.eeas.europa.eu

EU total Ukraine contribution is $145 billion. And by the way EU is 27 countries ! 27 , not 1. Whereas the US is "one" country.

US has $180 billion aid. Thats more than the entire 27 countries EU. And again , why should US fund ?? Its up to the US if they want to or dont want to. Why doesnt Saudi Iran Pak Ban Turkey contribute anything at all ? Nada, zilch ?? Maybe some token numbers I dont know.

And the US sent 40 yr old weapons ?? Any source ?? You just say a lot but never substantiate. Had posted the list earlier - the complete list of US military weapons that the US sent.

 

[Bhaijaan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895581362771673424

 

[deltexas]

That's for Ukraine to decide and not the russian stooge.

Conceding ukraine territory is as unsafe for Europe as conceding kashmir to china. If America asks India to compromise with China on that, will india keep quiet? Europe suported US in Iraq and Afghanistan but now when they need US support the russian stooge is backstabbing them

And there is no courage needed in bootlicking fascist, every wannabe fascist in history have bootlicked other facists.

Zelensky is not being moralistic but protecting his country and citizens which traitor supporters don't understand.

And when you support the war mongerer putin and blame the victim ukraine and then pretend you and your trump is anti war, you are insulting everyone's intelligence

The saddest thing is that trump has always been dumb and simplistic who has failed in every single venture including bankrupting casinos which is impossible.

His extreme simplistic view on everything from economy to global relationship to diseases is going to doom humanity itself. We are going to see recession and world wars under him.

And trump supporters are going to be judged very harshly in history for believing his dumb simplistic view. There is a reason most intellectuals, economists, scientists, doctors, artists all consider him really really dumb and only simple people fall for him.

Again Zelensky can do whatever he wants - he can destroy Putin,win the war claim all of Russia if he wants to go and win it "nobody " is stopping him. Even Trump will be thankful if he does that.

Problem is he wants US aid and weapons for that. And Trump is not willing to US taxpayers monet to fund it. That's the simple reality.

Zelensky can be as gung ho as he wants fine go ahead. Just dont ask the US for aid and weapons for it.

 

[deltexas]

Why are you once again repeating Trump's lies?
It was not Zelensky who started the war, but it was Putin, who even attacked directly on Kiev and wanted to take the whole Ukraine.
When will these lies stop?




Yes, and this support to Ukraine for 3 years stopped Putin from attacking Kiev and taking the whole Ukraine.

And what do you mean by "No End"? Then all small states should stop RESISTING whenever a bigger power attack them while none of them have any cards.

Dictators like Trump only want to end all Internal laws, while dictators always want to stay above any law and want to practice "the law of jungle".

With accepting your EXCUSE of "No End" will bring only and only and only "No End" to aggressive invasions by bigger powers upon smaller states and there will be no end to their miseries.

Meaning Zelensky should have stopped Russua starting the war through diplomacy, talks etc. A strong leader is one who avoids starting a war. Takes a lit of courage and tucking in your ego for that. Very very easy for a leader to start a war but not avoid starting it.

Go ahead and they can resist- just dont ask the US for any aid or weapons. Simple as that. If they want US aid and grants- it will come with strings attached.

And why doesn't it start with China, Pak?? How about other influential ME nations - saudi iran Qatar?? Guess what, they dont want to get involved nor wanna contribute anything.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Americans, Trump to Zelensky yesterday

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sums up yesterday’s meeting

 

[deltexas]

Call it a moral obligation or whatever, but the obligation is there. Even without Budapest agreement, the moral obligation stays there as a representative of a civilized world.
In the absence of civilized world, where "might is right" become the law (as Trump and all other dictators like Putin, Netanyahu, Modi want), then the world will see the same bloodshed and wars that we saw till the establishment of the UN.

Yes, the UN was not 100% perfect, but it was much better than era of Dictators like Hitler.

There is no moral obligations nor moral talk - reality is different. Just like Ban and Pak cricket teams moral victories!

 

[Itachi]

Call it a moral obligation or whatever, but the obligation is there. Even without Budapest agreement, the moral obligation stays there as a representative of a civilized world.
In the absence of civilized world, where "might is right" become the law (as Trump and all other dictators like Putin, Netanyahu, Modi want), then the world will see the same bloodshed and wars that we saw till the establishment of the UN.

Yes, the UN was not 100% perfect, but it was much better than era of Dictators like Hitler.

You can call it "moral obligation" yes. But legally binding obligation is simply not present at the agreement. That agreement is nothing but an MoU.

So accusation against trump of violating Budapest agreement is inaccurate.

 

[deltexas]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895581362771673424

Zelensky thanked president of the US aka POTUS, the US Congress & the American people. Still remarkable that Modi is the only leader I know that has met all 3 - Putin zelensky and Trump!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Zelensky thanked president of the US aka POTUS, the US Congress & the American people. Still remarkable that Modi is the only leader I know that has met all 3 - Putin zelensky and Trump!

No respectable country which does not want to be destroyed on social media will mess with Bharat for a long time.

Besides we got our agents everywhere. They’ve made their way into foreign governments directly and if not that they married them lol The world ain’t ready to deal with our 7D chess bro. Hail Hydra

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Meaning Zelensky should have stopped Russua starting the war through diplomacy, talks etc. A strong leader is one who avoids starting a war. Takes a lit of courage and tucking in your ego for that. Very very easy for a leader to start a war but not avoid starting it.

Go ahead and they can resist- just dont ask the US for any aid or weapons. Simple as that. If they want US aid and grants- it will come with strings attached.

And why doesn't it start with China, Pak?? How about other influential ME nations - saudi iran Qatar?? Guess what, they dont want to get involved nor wanna contribute anything.

Zelensky was asked to continue the war by EU,UK and US. Now they have realised they can't win they are discarding Ukranians like a used tissue.

So called big man Trump isn't able to get any concessions from Putin to end the war so is taking it out on the former comedian.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No respectable country which does not want to be destroyed on social media will mess with Bharat for a long time.

Besides we got our agents everywhere. They’ve made their way into foreign governments directly and if not that they married them lol The world ain’t ready to deal with our 7D chess bro. Hail Hydra

@cricketjoshilla Bhai is already warming up to defend Bharatis interests.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Don’t think Younus bhai is visiting US anytime soon. Bhai zalaalat se to bhook hi behtar hae. Do chaar din tangi me guzaaar lo cuz Trump’s attitude to beggars be like :-

 

[Bhaijaan]

Trump administration’s attitude towards nations begging US for money :-

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[ads101]

Call it a moral obligation or whatever, but the obligation is there. Even without Budapest agreement, the moral obligation stays there as a representative of a civilized world.
In the absence of civilized world, where "might is right" become the law (as Trump and all other dictators like Putin, Netanyahu, Modi want), then the world will see the same bloodshed and wars that we saw till the establishment of the UN.

Yes, the UN was not 100% perfect, but it was much better than era of Dictators like Hitler.

Moral obligation will risk world wars. So it makes sense countries will not honour it if they don’t have to. It is a shame Ukraine was not a part of Nato before, Putin wouldn’t have attacked in the first place as he wouldn’t want to have risked world war. Then again Russia also probably attacked now because if they had waited till Ukraine became Nato, they would then no longer be able to.

All countries involved bar maybe Ukraine prioritise preventing a world war over the health of Ukraine. All would rather see Ukraine completely invaded by Russia than have a world war when nuclear is involved. Yes Ukraine has been stung before giving territory to Russia in the past. They will most likely have to do it again in this instance now. But at least a positive of this war is I really doubt Russia will try this again. The damage and fallout has been too severe this time. Last time the extra tariffs alone were not sufficient enough to discourage Russia. I’m sure Putin himself regrets starting this war, but evidently won’t want to look like he lost. He will need something to save face. And if he doesn’t get that he will continue the war.

The situation is the same in Israel and Palestine IMO. The Clinton parameters where 95% of West Bank would be given and all of Gaza. Yes it should have been the entire amount and Israel shouldn’t have lumped the other stipulations on top. The idea of 95% looks better than it actually is. But they should have taken it. Palestine will never get a deal as good as that ever again, and what is worse Israel continually uses this as proof to their people that Palestine want nothing but the complete ousting of Israel, thus their government can continue their takeover of West Bank settlements. There won’t even be that 95% left to negotiate in decades to come. Several generations of Palestinians have had their lives ruined. It’s easy to say in hindsight. And it isn’t fair to Palestine at all. But that’s the problem, clinging to an ideal and then receiving nothing.

As I said before I don’t really blame Zelensky and feel sorry for him. Ukraine is getting screwed over for sure. EU, USA, UK are all as bad as each other, none want to properly back Ukraine to end the war for fear of world war. They are simply sending enough for Ukraine to hang in there not to win this war. That is why there is no end in sight. And why a deal to end this war despite injustice to Ukraine is probably necessary.

 

[psyoptica]

What do you say now after knowing about Budapest Memorandum ?
Do you still want to stick to your Trump's support?
Even without any agreement, it is the DUTY of the CIVILIZED world to stop the aggressor, which is clearly Putin here. And if the civilized world does not do it, then the world will turn into "Might is Right".

Yes, Trump wants to end all morals and laws, and want to make this world "might is right" and the "law of jungle" while it suits to all DICTATORS, and he is himself the biggest of dictators.

And all Trump supporters are people without any morals, and they should in fact also start supporting other dictators too like Modi and Netanyahu.

They already do. Do you know what Trump and right right wing Hindus have in common?

 

[Rajdeep]

These are crazy scenes. I have never seen anything like this. For a minute I though

Starmer speaks to Trump and Zelensky after White House row

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has spoken to US President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky after a meeting between the two leaders in Washington descended into a row about US support for Ukraine.

Zelensky was welcomed to the White House by Trump, but the cordial talks ended in a shouting match in front of the media in the Oval Office as Trump told his Ukrainian counterpart to be more thankful for US aid and accused him of "gambling with World War Three".

A statement from No 10 on Friday night confirmed the prime minister had spoken with the US and Ukrainian presidents and that he retained "unwavering support for Ukraine".

Zelensky is due in the UK on Sunday as Sir Keir hosts a summit of European leaders to discuss an end to the war between Ukraine and Russia.

A No 10 spokesperson said: "The prime minister has tonight spoken to both President Trump and President Zelensky.

"He retains unwavering support for Ukraine, and is doing all he can to find a path forward to a lasting peace based on sovereignty and security for Ukraine.

"The prime minister looks forward to hosting international leaders on Sunday including President Zelensky."

The Oval Office spat prompted words of support for Zelensky from key European allies, including France and Germany.

In the heated clash at the White House, both Trump and Zelensky interrupted each other repeatedly during what was supposed to be a prelude to the two leaders signing a minerals deal.

US Vice President JD Vance, sat alongside others in the room, was also involved.

A press conference scheduled to take place later in the day was cancelled, and Zelensky was asked to leave the White House before the minerals agreement could be signed.

In a later interview with Fox News, Zelensky said the public spat "was not good" - but the relationship between him and Trump could be salvaged.

Sir Keir had met with Trump in the Oval Office on Thursday, and the pair agreed to begin work on a new US-UK trade deal.

The prime minister also came bearing a letter from King Charles III inviting Trump for a second state visit.

There had been speculation that Sir Keir had also gone into the meeting to seek a US Security "backstop" in a European peace plan for the war in Ukraine. However, the US president stopped short of confirming such a commitment.

Trump had previously criticised Sir Keir and French President Emmanuel Macron, whom he met on Monday, of having "done nothing" to seek an end to the war in Ukraine.

Reaction to Friday's meeting between Trump and Zelensky appeared to largely fall along partisan lines among US politicians, with Republicans praising Trump and Democrats criticising him.

French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk were among the European leaders who expressed solidarity with Zelensky.

Friedrich Merz, who is expected to become Germany's next chancellor, wrote that he stood with Ukraine "in good and testing times", adding: "We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war."

In a statement, Conservative party leader Kemi Badenoch said "respectable diplomacy is essential for peace", adding that a "divided West only benefits Russia".

Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey suggested Trump and Vance were "bullying the brave true patriot Zelensky into accepting a deal that effectively hands victory to Russia".

The leader of the SNP at Westminster leader Stephen Flynn said the offer to Mr Trump of a second state visit should be revoked.

In Ukraine, there was broad appreciation for Zelensky holding his ground over what many Ukrainians see as an existential war.

"Trump's administration was so arrogant," one man in Kyiv told the BBC. "When you look at Zelensky's face, you understand that the discussion behind closed doors was not so polite."

Russia, meanwhile, said Trump and Vance had acted with restraint. A foreign ministry spokeswoman said it was a miracle the pair had not hit Zelensky.

BBC

Trump schooled Starmer as well

 

[cricketjoshila]

Your nation's security is your responsibility not someone else's.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So, what does it change?

The link you provided, say:



So, you are now supporting Trump's open betrayal by bringing these lame excuses?

Even the rest of Europe and Japan and South Korea etc. are supporting Ukraine more than Trump, although they were not a part of the Budapest agreement.

It's not USA's responsibility to defend Ukraine.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Great applause to Donald Trump for schooling this kid and showing him the mirror.

 

[psyoptica]

One guy who came out a winner last night was JD Vance. Leaders around the world would give an arm to have a Vice like that. He took over.

Btw, JD Vance is someone who believes in “Normalizing Indian hate”.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Call it a moral obligation or whatever, but the obligation is there. Even without Budapest agreement, the moral obligation stays there as a representative of a civilized world.
In the absence of civilized world, where "might is right" become the law (as Trump and all other dictators like Putin, Netanyahu, Modi want), then the world will see the same bloodshed and wars that we saw till the establishment of the UN.

Yes, the UN was not 100% perfect, but it was much better than era of Dictators like Hitler.

Elected leaders like Trump or Netanyahu or Modi are dictators? Why? Because they don't support your agenda?

 

[FearlessRoar]

Trump 'offended' by Zelenskyy not wearing a suit in White House​

The Ukrainian president was advised to wear a suit to the White House and Donald Trump was offended when he didn't, according to reports.

Ahead of the historic meeting, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was advised by Trump's team to ditch his usual military-style clothing for something more formal, Axios reports.

However, he didn't, instead opting to wear all black.

This irritated Mr Trump ahead of what quickly became a car crash of a meeting, according to two sources who spoke to Axios.

Amid the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, which has resulted in the deaths of thousands, it was Mr Zelenskyy's outfit that seemed to set the meeting off on a bad track.

As Mr Trump shook Mr Zelenskyy's hand at the entrance to the West Wing, he said: "He is all dressed up today."

Then, during the disastrous press conference, reporter Brian Glenn asked Mr Zelenskyy, "why don't you wear a suit", accusing him of having a lack of respect for America.

"I will wear a costume when this war is finished," the Ukrainian leader responded. "Maybe something like yours. Maybe something better. Maybe something cheaper."

In Ukrainian, the word "kostium" (pronounced 'costume') means "suit".

Why doesn't Zelenskyy wear a suit?

Mr Zelenskyy, who was elected in 2019, is often seen wearing olive green jumpers, emblazoned with the Ukrainian trident, alongside combat boots.

It is a signal to the world that his country is still at war. It reflects his solidarity with the armed forces and those fighting on the frontline.

The casual attire serves as a reminder that Ukraine is an active battlefield.

While Mr Zelenskyy did wear suits before the war, reflecting his role as head of state, he has stated he will not return to doing so until the war has ended.

In December, he wore a similar outfit for the reopening ceremony of Notre Dame cathedral in Paris, as well as for his meeting with then President-elect Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron.

Many social media users were quick to point out that Elon Musk did not wear a suit during his recent visit to the Oval Office.

Images also began circulating of Winston Churchill visiting the White House during the Second World War, dressed in a wartime "siren suit".

Churchill wore the one-piece air raid outfit during a visit to President Franklin D Roosevelt, in which he hoped to persuade the American public to join the war.

Ironically, a bust of Churchill was present in the room during the meeting between Mr Trump and Mr Zelenskyy, which ended in the Ukrainian leader leaving the White House without agreeing to the deal on minerals he had flown 5,000 miles to seal.

Mr Zelenskyy is now due to travel to the UK for a summit with European leaders on Sunday.

Trump 'offended' by Zelenskyy not wearing a suit in White House

After being asked by a reporter why he wasn't wearing a suit, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said: "I will wear a costume when this war is finished. Maybe something like yours."

news.sky.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

Boris Johnson hits out at Donald Trump's 'ghastly' comments to Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy​

Insults hurled by Donald Trump at Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy are "ghastly to hear" and "complete untruths", former British prime minister Boris Johnson has said.

A friend of both men, however, he said he was "optimistic" Kyiv and Washington would agree an "economic partnership" that would benefit both sides.

Speaking to Sky News on a trip to Kyiv, Mr Johnson also said Sir Keir Starmer should hike UK defence spending up to 3% of national income "very quickly" - at least by 2030 "if not sooner".

He also said the best way for the prime minister to demonstrate UK credibility on defence would be to use a meeting with Mr Trump in Washington this week to set out a plan for an "Anglo-French" force to help provide security for Ukraine.

Mr Johnson described this as the start of a "steel-quilled porcupine of future Ukrainian security", saying it should be up to 30,000-strong, including troops from across Europe.

The former prime minister, who led the UK response to Russia's full-scale war and is viewed as a hero by many in Ukraine, said it is "horrendous" to think the conflict is still raging.

"I really grieve for the suffering of Ukraine, for the people of Ukraine I'm particularly pained," he said.

But he was critical of a series of verbal attacks by Mr Trump against Mr Zelenskyy, which included calling him a "dictator without elections" and suggesting Ukraine was to blame for the war.

"It's ghastly to hear, some of the language that's been coming from Washington about who started the war and Zelenskyy being a dictator," Mr Johnson said, speaking bluntly.

"We all know that these are complete untruths."

But the former prime minister signalled he believed the US leader was still on Kyiv's side and he would not want Russian President Vladimir Putin to hold power over Ukraine's future.

"I remain actually optimistic about Ukraine and about their chances of success," he said.

Mr Johnson pointed to a deal that Washington wants to sign with Kyiv that will give the US access to Ukraine's vast mineral wealth - though the Ukrainians want US security guarantees in return.

Referring to a draft text, he said it contained lines such as "America committed to a free, sovereign, secure Ukraine.

"Money to go to building up Ukraine's future security. America committing to long-term financial support".

He said a commitment to Ukraine's long-term security was also needed but he did not expect that to be included in the initial document.

"I think what needs to happen is that we, us, the Brits, the French… need to step up and show to Donald Trump, that we are willing to do what he keeps asking for and to take more of the burden ourselves," he said.

Mr Johnson said he hoped Sir Keir would use his trip to Washington to "set out an Anglo-French deterrent force that can begin to provide the steel-quilled porcupine of future Ukrainian security".

Sir Keir and French President Emmanuel Macron - who was in Washington on Monday - have been developing a plan with other European and Western allies to build a force of up to 30,000 troops to provide reassurance to Ukraine following a ceasefire.

Mr Johnson said this would be an important demonstration of European strength in the eyes of the American leader.

"I think an Anglo-French plan for a deterrent force - I'm not talking about war fighting, I'm talking about forces that go in to help with logistics, to help backfilling, to help with training…. perhaps maximum 30,000 from the whole of Europe.

"It would be symbolic, but it would be exactly what [Vladimir] Putin doesn't want and what he thinks that he can forbid."

The former British leader said the Russian president wants to block Ukraine from having British troops on its land or from joining NATO.

"But I don't think that Donald Trump can possibly accept that outcome. I know, he won't accept that outcome," Mr Johnson said.

"He doesn't want Putin to win any more than anybody else here in Kyiv does."

Sir Keir is expected to set a timeframe as early as this week for when Britain will lift its defence budget to 2.5% of GDP from 2.3% - but Mr Johnson signalled that Mr Trump would be expecting a "bigger number".

"I think he needs to go higher…. I think in the United States, they're going to want to hear a bigger number," he said.

Boris Johnson hits out at Donald Trump's 'ghastly' comments to Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

"It's ghastly to hear, some of the language that's been coming from Washington about who started the war and [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelenskyy being a dictator," former British PM Boris Johnson said.

news.sky.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

Seems like it is on Trump's demand

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895555315716014324

 

[Bhaijaan]

Seems like it is on Trump's demand

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895555315716014324

Bhai esse dosto se to dushman behtar,
Ukraine ruined relationships with its neighbour thanks to US, EU and the US has screwed Ukraine here.

 

[happydavy]

Pakistan only have themselves to blame for all their mess, it was a work of art how Pakistan became a total lost cause.

Don't blame the Americans.

As the sage Chanakya said - Never make friends with people who are above or below you in status, such friendships never give you happiness.

It’s something Pakistan never understood, always running around America or Arab world or China and calling them as friends. America needed you for Afghanistan, China needs you for India and Arab world doesn’t even need you. Btw to be fair to America, they actually helped you tremendously money wise during the war on terror. Musharraf got you a superb deal, over $10 bn in aid and loans writeoff, problem was Pakistan rather than utilising the money for economic development, started thinking of it as a stakeholder in war on terror, while it was just the rent for military bases and soldiers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Zelensky was asked to continue the war by EU,UK and US. Now they have realised they can't win they are discarding Ukranians like a used tissue.

So called big man Trump isn't able to get any concessions from Putin to end the war so is taking it out on the former comedian.

Pretty much this. Trump boasted hed stop the war in 24hrs , Putin and Russia laughed in his face, now hes humiliated so is attacking their stooge to look strong . It's a shame there isnt 8 years of Trump , America will be done as the only superpower leading to a safer world

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If Modi had been in Zelensky's place, he would have chuckled like a long lost friend, given Trump a solid back-pat, and his devotees and godi media would have declared it a "56-inch" diplomatic victory over USA.

 

[happydavy]

If Modi had been in Zelensky's place, he would have chuckled like a long lost friend, given Trump a solid back-pat, and his devotees and godi media would have declared it a "56-inch" diplomatic victory over USA.

Question is how much obsession is normal and at what level one should see a therapist? If you visualise everything happening around with you from a cricket match to taking your kids out to movie, thinking what would Modi have done, then I would say a therapist visit is overdue!

 

[IndoorCricket]

Question is how much obsession is normal and at what level one should see a therapist? If you visualise everything happening around with you from a cricket match to taking your kids out to movie, thinking what would Modi have done, then I would say a therapist visit is overdue!

Modi deragnement syndrome.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I watched the whole 40 minutes footage of the farcical meeting yesterday between Trump administration and Zelensky.

Trump welcomed Zelensky making a cheeky comment about his dress.

During the actual meeting, Zelensky i believe made the first mistake when he resorted to name calling and attacking Putin after Trump’s opening comments which were fine. This must have immediately irritated Trump and JD. Here they are trying to broker a deal and there’s Zelensky not showing openness and humility in dealing with the sensitive matter. It’s the first rule of brokering peace treaties that there will be no personal attacks.

Then we had like a 20-25 minutes passage where things went on like normal but at some point it seemed like JD felt that this meeting was going nowhere and that’s when he intervened. It was the most uncommon thing about yesterday that JD took over while two heads of states were talking. Things visibly changed from then on for all to see. I think Trump also felt compelled from that point on to go on the attack seeing JD take over making the President look weak in front of the Vice.

If JD had not intervened, probably this wouldn’t have happened the way it did. Zelensky wasn’t smart enough to manage the situation and Trump being Trump, couldn’t let the Vice look like the man in the house to world press.

 

[Bhaijaan]

That press guy poking his nose in and accusing Zelensky of disrespecting The Oval Office by not wearing a Suit. Bro what?

 

[Stewie]

I watched the whole 40 minutes footage of the farcical meeting yesterday between Trump administration and Zelensky.

Trump welcomed Zelensky making a cheeky comment about his dress.

During the actual meeting, Zelensky i believe made the first mistake when he resorted to name calling and attacking Putin after Trump’s opening comments which were fine. This must have immediately irritated Trump and JD. Here they are trying to broker a deal and there’s Zelensky not showing openness and humility in dealing with the sensitive matter. It’s the first rule of brokering peace treaties that there will be no personal attacks.

Then we had like a 20-25 minutes passage where things went on like normal but at some point it seemed like JD felt that this meeting was going nowhere and that’s when he intervened. It was the most uncommon thing about yesterday that JD took over while two heads of states were talking. Things visibly changed from then on for all to see. I think Trump also felt compelled from that point on to go on the attack seeing JD take over making the President look weak in front of the Vice.

If JD had not intervened, probably this wouldn’t have happened the way it did. Zelensky wasn’t smart enough to manage the situation and Trump being Trump, couldn’t let the Vice look like the man in the house to world press.

I would like to read the rest of the rules in your brokering peace handbook. What’s the second rule?

 

[FearlessRoar]

Relationship with Trump can be salvaged, Zelensky says

Ukraine's president took to the American airwaves after his tense meeting with Trump in the Oval Office on Friday and attempted to calm tensions with the US administration.

"I'm very thankful to Americans for all your support," he began in his interview with Fox News. "You helped us a lot from the very beginning... you helped us to survive".

Asked if he owed the president an apology, Zelensky said: "I respect the president and I respect American people."

"I think we have to be very open and very honest, and am not sure we did something bad", he added.

He later said the clash was "not good" but he remained confident that his relationship with Trump could be salvaged.

"I just want to be honest and I just want our partners to understand the situation correctly and I want to understand everything correctly. That's about us, not to lose our friendship," he said.

BBC

 

[Technics 1210]

The only winner in all of this is Putin.

Genius masterstroke.

Amreeka is finished anyway - Trump is just salvaging all that is left of Amreekan hard power.

Loving every second of this!

 

[Bhaijaan]

I would like to read the rest of the rules in your brokering peace handbook. What’s the second rule?

It’s common sense.
Avoid name calling, listen more talk less, be clear on your BATNA & ZOPA, understand power dynamics etc.

It’s a failed meeting for both sides. Wastage of time.

 

[Extra_Cover]

What implications Trump vs Zelensky can have for Pakistan?

As time has passed on it's becoming incredibly clear that Imran was removed from office due to his neutral stance on Ukraine vs Russia. The cipher saga makes it incredibly clear that US wanted him out of office and decision making powers. I also believe that similar sentiments were shared by EU countries that wanted Imran out of office too but not documented like cipher. This also makes sense because the emboldenment Army had in doing human rights violations suggested they had the backing of US and West. I would be skeptical Army would never have had used such a strong hand unless it had backing like the backing Zia had in the past. Why did Army had backing? The answer is for supply of ammunition to Ukraine to ensure Ukraine continue the fighting. It has been documented that Pakistan supplied the ammunition to Romania and Romania given shares a land border with Ukraine supplied them onto Ukraine. The weird thing is that in both Pakistan and Romania elections have been alleged to be tampered with. With Pakistan the controversy around Form 45 vs Form 47 is well documented and clear as day so no need to go into that detail. With Romania little will know that a pro Russian candidate surprised everyone in the Presidential elections and won the highest percentage of votes later the courts were used to completely annul the election results over charges of Russian cyber attack. In short a pro Russian candidate won and was not allowed into office as he would reverse the current policy on Ukraine. The West supported this completely to ensure they have their representative sitting in Romania and Pakistan.

The EU knows very well that elections in Pakistan were tampered as they had sent an election observation group to Pakistan to document the election process. Funnily enough the EU group covered elections elsewhere last year too like Bangladesh and Jordan and the reports were made public. But the report for Pakistan has never been made public, wonder why? The snippets we get in public is that there is sufficient documented proof in that report that would categorise Pakistan election a complete joke. Remember the EU representatives were present in the ECP control room on election night when in the middle of th night Sikander Sultan left control room for some shady meeting in a nervous looking stance and then came back to control room later to halt the counting process or stopping media from running election results based on Form 45. Also remember it was from that control room when it was ordered for Army to go around picking up election officers handing out form 45 and carry them to a different location, rest is history. To sum up both US and EU turned a blind eye to democracy in both Romania and Pakistan to ensure they can sustain war support to Ukraine. Both EU and US are as evil or self interested, they should never be mentioned as democracy champions.

Let's come to current situation. If US has a fall out with Ukraine and given Trump is an irrational person it's likely it's impact would be felt by Pakistan too. All we know is that US has started with UK and France to try turn the tide in this war. It won't be long he turns his eye towards Romania or Pakistan which is an essential supply chain in this war. If he comes to Pakistan demanding stop the supply of ammunition to Romania my guess is Army will immediately bend their knees like they have always done in front of US. But what happens with EU then? EU will then release this report on Pakistan elections and given Pakistan issued military verdicts it's GSP+ status will also be taken back. Needless to say we are screwed either way now.

I vividly remember Imran making a statement that Ukraine v Russia has nothing to do with Pakistan and we should remain neutral and not engage in someone else's war. How true were those words then? Truth always prevails and person standing on righteousness always stands with head held high in history books.

 

[Stewie]

The only winner in all of this is Putin.

Genius masterstroke.

Amreeka is finished anyway - Trump is just salvaging all that is left of Amreekan hard power.

Loving every second of this!

We have been hearing this for a while. For a dying power they sure get a lot of visitors coming to them with haath baandhey, including your own PM.

The hate for US is rather palpable here with some people but it’s hilarious to note they live in the country that loves to come running to Amreeka when it says “UK heel!”

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Question is how much obsession is normal and at what level one should see a therapist? If you visualise everything happening around with you from a cricket match to taking your kids out to movie, thinking what would Modi have done, then I would say a therapist visit is overdue!

At least I can back it up with the following pictures.

You, on the other hand, are due for a visit to the doctor because your sarcasm meter isn't working properly. The username "happydavy" doesn't suit you either. Consider changing it. Your obsession with defending anything Modi-related is also questionable. That was a light-hearted comment.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Have some shame EU, these hollow words mean nothing. Talk to Putin, negotiate a peace deal that protects Ukraine’s interests.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895565933265260843

 

[Bhaijaan]

You’ll been delusional from beginning treating Russia as if they’re Iran whom anyone can punch for fun on a weekend and go back to work on Monday. Russia, the country which owns more natural resources and land than anyone and the country with the largest nuclear weapons arsenal. What were you smoking when you asked Ukraine to take them on?

 

[FearlessRoar]

Seems like it is on Trump's demand

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895555315716014324

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895794297641058430

 

[Bhaijaan]

We have been hearing this for a while. For a dying power they sure get a lot of visitors coming to them with haath baandhey, including your own PM.

The hate for US is rather palpable here with some people but it’s hilarious to note they live in the country that loves to come running to Amreeka when it says “UK heel!”

America is Sanatan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895726747553013803