[VIDEOS] Faheem Ashraf - flash in the pan or worth sticking with?

[Titan24]

52* to go with his 4fer. He is not a pinch hitter or someone who can start hitting from the word go. He is an aggressive batsman but he needs time on the wicket.

 

[MenInG]

And now hits 50!

52* off 26 balls

 

[asadee]

Have always liked him..he needs a good coach to guide him

 

[Ucdkee]

Nothing impressive about the knock though...most of the boundaries were on edges...didn't have a clue against shadab either!

 

[MMHS]

52* to go with his 4fer. He is not a pinch hitter or someone who can start hitting from the word go. He is an aggressive batsman but he needs time on the wicket.

More of a Jaques Kallis than Zulu Kluesner I guess...

 

[mon858]

More of a Jaques Kallis than Zulu Kluesner I guess...

more of a Neil Johnson than Kallis. Even today he had several edges going to the boundary. Good that he scored and finished the game along with Babar, but against an international bowling attack, and less luck on edges, he would not really last that long as proven from his multiple chances and record so far.

 

[Titan24]

More of a Jaques Kallis than Zulu Kluesner I guess...

I guess Mickey would be able to talk about his comparisons better and if he needs a revision to Jaques Kallis or Andrew Hall.

 

[shamaan]

Not even a flash. Only got noticed due to one inning in a warm up match against bangladesh.
A t20 league player. Not convinced if he works hard on his batting or bowling.

His bowling is good it's his batting

 

[shamaan]

A good bowler but very average batter even with this performance

 

[Salman4.]

Thankfully Khurram Manzoor scored a century tonight. If you think Faheem is a great player due to one 50 then Khurram is our Bradman.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

His bowling is good it's his batting

His bowling doesn't offer much. He is not good enough to play as a 3rd seamer. And for a fourth seamer, he doesn't have good batting credentials to fit in the team.

 

[Loralai]

Average player who has already been given too many chances based on one good shot he played during CT17.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Not good enough tbh.

 

[gazza619]

he needs a good coach to guide him

Joke of the week.

 

[Abdullah719]

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[Hasan123]

He has been exposed at international level. The standard of Pakistan domestic cricket is very low. Wouldn't read too much into his performances here.

 

[shamaan]

He has been exposed at international level. The standard of Pakistan domestic cricket is very low. Wouldn't read too much into his performances here.

Jsi bowling has been okay it's just batting

 

[naseem]

Good bowler but not reliable bat........ Was at sea against Shadab.......Imad bowled short to him.......and it was the edges that fetch him most runs

 

[Hasan123]

Jsi bowling has been okay it's just batting

He isn't good enough. It's that simple.

 

[PakPremi]

Aamer Yameen and Ammad Butt offer more, even Talat.

 

[shamaan]

He isn't good enough. It's that simple.

Who else would you recommend ammad butt Amer yamin thiers no one else

 

[Hasan123]

Who else would you recommend ammad butt Amer yamin thiers no one else

Amad Butt would be an interesting option due to his height. Other than I don't think we have a seam bowling all rounder who is good enough for international cricket.

 

[shamaan]

Amad Butt would be an interesting option due to his height. Other than I don't think we have a seam bowling all rounder who is good enough for international cricket.

Yes defo ammad butt is good but hes more batting all rounder thiers a young kid his name is hassan mohsin hes a good batter and used to bowl decently azwdll

 

[ammar_merry]

Yes defo ammad butt is good but hes more batting all rounder thiers a young kid his name is hassan mohsin hes a good batter and used to bowl decently azwdll

LOL hasan mohsin bowls like gangully.He is nothing bowler.

 

[Titan24]

As per sources Faheem is being approached again by a BBL team for this season. He is now awaiting response from PCB if he is needed for NZ tour.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

As per sources Faheem is being approached again by a BBL team for this season. He is now awaiting response from PCB if he is needed for NZ tour.

So Haider, who has declined the BBL contract, is not waiting for a response anymore? That means he must be a sureshot pick for NZ.

 

[Titan24]

Good innings today 54 (22) with 5 sixes.

 

[aloo paratha]

He's been disappointing for 2+ years at the international level, it's gonna take more than 2 innings to convince me.

 

[Titan24]

He's been disappointing for 2+ years at the international level, it's gonna take more than 2 innings to convince me.

Agreed. However, we should consider that he was never the white ball batsman people thought he was. While he averaged 30+ in FC, his white ball averages were in teens. Good to see him working on his game but, definitely two innings or so dont prove anything. One thing is that other pace bowling all rounders havent done too well with the bat now. Hussain Talat is better batsman but his bowling isnt good enough for 10 overs in ODIs or 4 overs in T20s.

In 4 day cricket last year, he was by far the best all rounder.

If he is good enough to make Pakistan team in any format is another point. In tests I think either him or Aamir Yamin should make the squad to have that option available especially in overseas conditions.

 

[shah_1]

He needs to perform a lot with the bat to convince us that he can bat at 7.

 

[Saj]

Finally showing glimpses with the bat of what he showed against Bangladesh in the Champions Trophy warm up match.

 

[ataullah]

Finally showing glimpses with the bat of what he showed against Bangladesh in the Champions Trophy warm up match.

That inning did Pak more harm then good. If ever there was evidence not to pick a player on one performance its that one against Bangladesh

 

[Saj]

Worth recalling that he did go for 53 runs in his 4 overs today.

 

[shamaan]

As per sources Faheem is being approached again by a BBL team for this season. He is now awaiting response from PCB if he is needed for NZ tour.

I'd definitely take him to New Zealand

 

[Cric_lover4487]

His bowling doesn't offer much. He is not good enough to play as a 3rd seamer. And for a fourth seamer, he doesn't have good batting credentials to fit in the team.

Who is better Hardik or Faheem?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Who is better Hardik or Faheem?

both are bits and pieces. hardik leans a bit more towards a batting allrounder while fahim is a bowler who can bat a bit.
I would take Chris Woakes, Grandhomme, Neesham or Holder over them.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Hardik is much better than Faheem. Both are crap.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Hitting Abbas, Yamin and Imran in death overs. I'm not getting on the wagon. He has to do a lot more than just that.

 

[Abdullah719]

19-ball fifty yesterday. Should have finished off the chase though.

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[shamaan]

both are bits and pieces. hardik leans a bit more towards a batting allrounder while fahim is a bowler who can bat a bit.
I would take Chris Woakes, Grandhomme, Neesham or Holder over them.

Holder is second best all rounder after stokes

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Holder is second best all rounder after stokes

In Tests, yes. In LOI's not really.
Woakes and Roston Chase are criminally underrated.
Grandhomme is very handy.

 

[shamaan]

In Tests, yes. In LOI's not really.
Woakes and Roston Chase are criminally underrated.
Grandhomme is very handy.

Yes in tests holder is second best woakes is very good azwell espically in sena conditions

 

[Saj]

He's become a very gentle medium-pacer.

Bowling around 130kph, no pace, no swing.

 

[Rayyman]

Very good bowling today

 

[shamaan]

Very good bowling today

Finally cemented the team for the next three years

 

[Artaxerxes]

He is not a genuine all rounder.His bowling is slightly better than his batting.Need an all rounder similar to
Abdul Razzaq.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

He is not a genuine all rounder.His bowling is slightly better than his batting.Need an all rounder similar to
Abdul Razzaq.

The fundamental flaw in our philosophy is that we are right now trying to identify bits and pieces cricketers, then turn them into all rounders.

Rather, we need to find people who are good bowlers first and foremost, already - and have decent batting potential. Then invest in their batting by give them proper lessons in technique with the likes of Gio Collussi and Gary Palmer and promoting them to play at 6-7 in First Class cricket.

Examples from the current setup Hasan Ali, Mohammad Amir, and Wahab Riaz. To some extent Musa Khan. Amad Butt is another excellent call. have decent skill with the bat and can be trained over the course of 3-4 years to average 25-30.

It’s too late for Wahab, Amir, and Aamer Yamin now. But Hasan Ali, Musa Khan, and Amad Butt can still receive this investment.

 

[Bullet Drive]

The fundamental flaw in our philosophy is that we are right now trying to identify bits and pieces cricketers, then turn them into all rounders.

Rather, we need to find people who are good bowlers first and foremost, already - and have decent batting potential. Then invest in their batting by give them proper lessons in technique with the likes of Gio Collussi and Gary Palmer and promoting them to play at 6-7 in First Class cricket.

Examples from the current setup Hasan Ali, Mohammad Amir, and Wahab Riaz. To some extent Musa Khan. Amad Butt is another excellent call. have decent skill with the bat and can be trained over the course of 3-4 years to average 25-30.

It’s too late for Wahab, Amir, and Aamer Yamin now. But Hasan Ali, Musa Khan, and Amad Butt can still receive this investment.

Amad Butt is the man.

And Hasan Mohsin.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Amad Butt is the man.

And Hasan Mohsin.

I really like Hasan Mohsin. Hope he develops his bowling a little more, just some basic swing and hitting the right lengths and he will do well as a much better all rounder than Faheem can ever be.

Amad Butt is great too, knows how to pick wickets, bowls at the death, and his swing was notable during the National T20 Cup.

Also knows how to bat - enough that good coaching can develop him into a versatile all rounder.

 

[Rana]

I’m afraid Ahmad Butt might disappoint quite a few at international level.

Such a shame as the guy is ripped like Hritik Roshan!

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I’m afraid Ahmad Butt might disappoint quite a few at international level.

Such a shame as the guy is ripped like Hritik Roshan!

Could he possibly disappoint more than Faheem?

 

[Rana]

Could he possibly disappoint more than Faheem?

They are both not good enough. I like the idea of investing more time in Hassan Ali as the number 8.

 

[Forum363]

They are both not good enough. I like the idea of investing more time in Hassan Ali as the number 8.

Exactly. I thought Fahim had potential because he was picking up wickets regularly with the ball and had shown glimpses of talent with the bat but he just hasn’t improved.

Amad is a rubbish bowler and an average batter. Far from the answer.

 

[hitthestump]

The fundamental flaw in our philosophy is that we are right now trying to identify bits and pieces cricketers, then turn them into all rounders.

Rather, we need to find people who are good bowlers first and foremost, already - and have decent batting potential. Then invest in their batting by give them proper lessons in technique with the likes of Gio Collussi and Gary Palmer and promoting them to play at 6-7 in First Class cricket.

Examples from the current setup Hasan Ali, Mohammad Amir, and Wahab Riaz. To some extent Musa Khan. Amad Butt is another excellent call. have decent skill with the bat and can be trained over the course of 3-4 years to average 25-30.

It’s too late for Wahab, Amir, and Aamer Yamin now. But Hasan Ali, Musa Khan, and Amad Butt can still receive this investment.

There's a huge gap in the side right now for a fast bowler who can bat a bit. For all our potential riches with the ball, none look like they are going to average anything near double figures in any form of international cricket.

If any of the names mentioned really want it then improving their batting could give them an edge over their rivals.

 

[shamaan]

Amad Butt is the man.

And Hasan Mohsin.

I really like hassan mohsin just need to work on his bowling a little more.

 

[Saj]

Faheem's pace has really dropped and I question whether he is actually fully fit.

He bowled the occasional heavy ball, but now it's 130 to 135kph.

 

[MenInG]

27 years old today - Happy Birthday to him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happy birthday to Faheem Ashraf! <br><br> 6 Tests, 25 ODIs, 32 T20Is <br>⁰ 679 runs <br> 64 wickets <br><br>He was the first bowler from Pakistan to take a T20I hat-trick <a href="https://t.co/C2HuWny2B2">pic.twitter.com/C2HuWny2B2</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1350323163197038594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[The Viper]

Impressive innings of 64 off 84 versus South Africa.

His batting has improved recently.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

His batting in Tests has been coming along nicely. Looks comfortable. Hope he can translate that into LOIs as well.
His bowling is still the accessory bowler type.

 

[pillionrider]

Saw a little bit of him in NZ and a little today vs SA.

Seems to have a pretty calm demeanor. And some good shots.

My selector eyes would back him for a while even if he fails.

 

[JaDed]

Congratulations to him, good to see him play an imp innings when PCT was down

 

[pillionrider]

Congratulations to him, good to see him play an imp innings when PCT was down

Saw him in the afternoon and didn't realize he ended up scoring so much eventually. Makes my earlier post seem a one, once the guy has anyway played well.

Saw a little bit of him in NZ and a little today vs SA.

Seems to have a pretty calm demeanor. And some good shots.

My selector eyes would back him for a while even if he fails.

 

[shamaan]

He should continue to play his strokes seems like he has got more confident and has improved his technique

 

[Ahson8]

Looks a different batsman after having worked with Yousuf.

 

[Mamoon]

The difference in his batting in Tests and LOIs clearly shows how LOI batting can be more challenging than Test batting in certain situations.

That is why the notion that Test cricket is harder than white ball cricket is false; it is actually different, and there several players who actually find batting in white ball cricket harder.

Faheem is one of those players. He melts like ice-cream when he has to cope with run rate pressure and field restrictions. In Test cricket, he has the luxury to bat at his own pace and does not have to worry about field restrictions.

 

[Savak]

The difference in his batting in Tests and LOIs clearly shows how LOI batting can be more challenging than Test batting in certain situations.

That is why the notion that Test cricket is harder than white ball cricket is false; it is actually different, and there several players who actually find batting in white ball cricket harder.

Faheem is one of those players. He melts like ice-cream when he has to cope with run rate pressure and field restrictions. In Test cricket, he has the luxury to bat at his own pace and does not have to worry about field restrictions.

He usually comes in when he has to hit out at the death in ODI and T20 cricket batting first or when chasing. Maybe he needs someone who needs to play a decent amount of balls ie twenty thirty plus, getting his eye in before he starts playing his shots effectively

 

[Saj]

Batted quite well today.

He looks a better batsman when he plays straight.

Yousuf said to me that his trigger movements were wrong, a few bad habits had crept in. Feet weren't right too.

 

[ataullah]

Batted quite well today.

He looks a better batsman when he plays straight.

Yousuf said to me that his trigger movements were wrong, a few bad habits had crept in. Feet weren't right too.

I heard yousuf really rates Muhammad haris the wk from kpk?

 

[Mamoon]

Yousuf has been projected as a messiah here after two innings by Faheem, but actually there is no concrete evidence that it has anything to do with that.

He put up some decent scores in his first stint in Tests as well. The main problem was that he got ridiculous hype by deluded fans who compared him to Pandya who is levels above him and always will be, and his awful performance in white ball cricket jeopardized his place in Test cricket as well.

He is a poor cricketer with no future but he didn’t do too badly to deserve axing from this talentless, bankrupt Pakistan Test side.

 

[gazza619]

The difference in his batting in Tests and LOIs clearly shows how LOI batting can be more challenging than Test batting in certain situations.

That is why the notion that Test cricket is harder than white ball cricket is false; it is actually different, and there several players who actually find batting in white ball cricket harder.

Faheem is one of those players. He melts like ice-cream when he has to cope with run rate pressure and field restrictions. In Test cricket, he has the luxury to bat at his own pace and does not have to worry about field restrictions.

He has only just now started to score some runs after a few average years.

Lets see if he can build on this.

 

[TheSultan]

Fantastic innings - two solid innings in test cricket no less - the toughest format, and he’s done it under pressure in both of those innings too.

If he improves his bowling a bit more, we’ve got a world class allrounder on our hands.

 

[UzmanBeast]

He has only just now started to score some runs after a few average years.

Lets see if he can build on this.

I agree.

Considering that we don't have many resources, especially in terms of all-rounders who bowl pace, Faheem is holding his job surprisingly well.

He has bowled well when given the ball, and has contributed with the bat as well.

If he can be a player averaging 34 with the ball and similarly with the bat, he'd be a very useful player especially if he can play the role Abbas played by keeping the line tight and being economical.

Hopefully he keeps performing and improves with time.

 

[Mamoon]

He has only just now started to score some runs after a few average years.

Lets see if he can build on this.

He only played a handful of Tests before his latest comeback. He actually never stopped scoring in Test cricket, but at the same time, he never scored in LOIs and that cost him his place in the Test team as well.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Alhamdulillah his batting does look good. I (and many others) would like to see him try more attacking deliveries. He's very regimented as a bowler, but his current spells need that 'oomph' that proactively brings wickets. I'd like to see him become a Woakes type bowler, and InshAllah his confidence in batting will push him to take more risks in his bowling.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He only played a handful of Tests before his latest comeback. He actually never stopped scoring in Test cricket, but at the same time, he never scored in LOIs and that cost him his place in the Test team as well.

He always had the natural strokemaking ability and timing, which was very noticeable when he first rose to prominence in a domestic game where he smashed Sohail tanvir for 3 straight sixes.
Then he also showed his resoluteness in his debut game against Ireland where he contributed an 80 odd in a pressure situation.

So don't change the tone now that he has started scoring runs. I dont want to point score here, but you have dissed him remarkably, and it isnt just because he is compared to Pandya.
Back then, you even said that he isnt a cricketer even and here you are trying to tell us how he was dropped unfairly.

 

[Bewal Express]

I have liked what i have seen from him recently- his batting is solid and he makes a decent 7/8. My worry is that he isnt a 4th seamer in the test team. He has a poor seam and that restricts his wicket taking options. If he works on his bowling, he can become a handy option.

 

[Mamoon]

He always had the natural strokemaking ability and timing, which was very noticeable when he first rose to prominence in a domestic game where he smashed Sohail tanvir for 3 straight sixes.
Then he also showed his resoluteness in his debut game against Ireland where he contributed an 80 odd in a pressure situation.

So don't change the tone now that he has started scoring runs. I dont want to point score here, but you have dissed him remarkably, and it isnt just because he is compared to Pandya.
Back then, you even said that he isnt a cricketer even and here you are trying to tell us how he was dropped unfairly.

He is still a poor cricketer. Pakistan is a talentless cricket nation with no intelligence. It is true for both players and the fans.

However, as a selector, you can only pick from available players. If you make me a selector for Pakistan, I would be forced to select him as well as most of the other players that I criticize.

The issue with Pakistani fans is that they get carried away with ease.

A couple of good knocks and suddenly he is improved, Mohammad Yousuf did wonders with him, some pseudo coaches will use fake technical analysis (Wahab and his saucer release before he forgot the sauce in NZ), others will talk about he has improved and this is the start of something great bla bla before they get a reality-check and are back to square one.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He is still a poor cricketer. Pakistan is a talentless cricket nation with no intelligence. It is true for both players and the fans.

However, as a selector, you can only pick from available players. If you make me a selector for Pakistan, I would be forced to select him as well as most of the other players that I criticize.

The issue with Pakistani fans is that they get carried away with ease.

A couple of good knocks and suddenly he is improved, Mohammad Yousuf did wonders with him, some pseudo coaches will use fake technical analysis (Wahab and his saucer release before he forgot the sauce in NZ), others will talk about he has improved and this is the start of something great bla bla before they get a reality-check and are back to square one.

Yousuf has done a little tweaks here or there, but that isn't to a degree where he has transformed into a completely different batsman.

His balance has improved and he isn't falling over in his defense. But at the same time, he always had the ability to play shots against good bowling.

I dont believe faheem has a very high IQ, but as a batsman he has a pot of ability, and in these poverty stricken times, that is more tyan good enough.

Also, you love to have a go at me for what I said about Wahab. Dont know what you mean by the "saucer seam" as I dont recall saying that.

But it is a fact that his seam position has improved and become more upright in the last 2 years. You were witness to this yourself when fir the first time in his life, he got the ball to swing into a RHB (it was watson) in the last PSL.
He always was good at extracting reverse, but was not potent against RHB because he wouldn't bring the stumps into play.
So again, in the last 2 years, he has also developed the behind the umpire run up angle from around the wicket which allowed him to target the stumps much better, and has hence got him more bowled dismissals.
It is a travesty that he learned all of this at tye fag end when he is in terminal decline.
This was very apparent on the NZ tour, where for the first time, his peak pace came down under 140 kph.

Therefore spare me of these Wahab jibes. My analysis was on his improvements, and I didn't say that he has transformed into a world beater who was going to perform into his 40's.

He has improved his skills, but his body has started to catch up with him, simple as.

He never had great command over length, so the reduced pace and agression would affect him a lot more.

 

[Golden arm]

Looks a different batsman after having worked with Yousuf.

Spot on.

 

[Golden arm]

Yousuf has done a little tweaks here or there, but that isn't to a degree where he has transformed into a completely different batsman.

His balance has improved and he isn't falling over in his defense. But at the same time, he always had the ability to play shots against good bowling.

I dont believe faheem has a very high IQ, but as a batsman he has a pot of ability, and in these poverty stricken times, that is more tyan good enough.

Also, you love to have a go at me for what I said about Wahab. Dont know what you mean by the "saucer seam" as I dont recall saying that.

But it is a fact that his seam position has improved and become more upright in the last 2 years. You were witness to this yourself when fir the first time in his life, he got the ball to swing into a RHB (it was watson) in the last PSL.
He always was good at extracting reverse, but was not potent against RHB because he wouldn't bring the stumps into play.
So again, in the last 2 years, he has also developed the behind the umpire run up angle from around the wicket which allowed him to target the stumps much better, and has hence got him more bowled dismissals.
It is a travesty that he learned all of this at tye fag end when he is in terminal decline.
This was very apparent on the NZ tour, where for the first time, his peak pace came down under 140 kph.

Therefore spare me of these Wahab jibes. My analysis was on his improvements, and I didn't say that he has transformed into a world beater who was going to perform into his 40's.

He has improved his skills, but his body has started to catch up with him, simple as.

He never had great command over length, so the reduced pace and agression would affect him a lot more.

Good comments.