[VIDEOS] Fawad Alam admirers : Is this what you like about him?

[xkalibur80]

Are there anymore threads about Fawad Alam that you prolly want to bump up? seriously guys, save some energy and time of yours.

I concur - Not that I am a huge Fawad fan but bringing up this thread doesn't serve any purpose.

Please stop wasting each other's time!!

There were enough idiotic shots that were played in the game so going back to discuss one player doesn't do any good for the team.

 

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

Yes, we are in love with this

 

[sunny_155]

Fawad alam is crap batsman, he shouldnt be playing for pakistan team in any format, he hasn't proven anything yet to impress any true pakistan fans, those people who like fawad are not really want pakistan to win so they are not pakistan fan but they are fan of fawad alam, the more he plays, the more we'll lose, there are much better batsmen than him like kamran akmal, mohammad yousef, imran nazir, shoaib malik, asim kamal, nasir jamshad etc... if these batsmen specially kamran akmal and imran nazir played regularly, pakistan would win more games. I wonder how fawad alam managed to play for international level? hahaahah

 

[emclub]

^ i like that rant

 

[RazaBadmash]

Fawad's been a consistently top performer for 10+ years in domestic, but his batting is clearly on a trajectory. How can it not be at age 34, add to that the immense pressure on him to deliver and the very tough conditions - there is virtually no chance of him doing anything of substance in England

Another flawed decision by Misbah

That’s a sad statement of he can’t handle the pressure plus a tough batting pitch. Test cricket is all about pressure so the Pakistani think tank, these professional players Misbah and Younis these legends of Pakistani cricket don’t know any better. Misbah was a player who got passed for years and then got his chance in his mid 30’s and became successfully. Maybe he feels bad for these types of players and gives them preferential treatment over the youngsters. **

 

[Rayyman]

I don’t see why he’s in the team. He’s 34 and he hides down at #5. That spot should be for a youngster.

 

[Usman]

I don’t see why he’s in the team. He’s 34 and he hides down at #5. That spot should be for a youngster.

Oh come off it. He's the only one to score a century all tour and unlike the others in this innings, he actually got out on a good ball.

 

[Abid Z]

I don’t see why he’s in the team. He’s 34 and he hides down at #5. That spot should be for a youngster.

The guy has just scored a very good century against one of the best attacks in world cricket in their home conditions on seaming tracks. Just now he’s got out to a brute of a delivery unplayable by any standard. He deserves to be in the team.

 

[Bewal Express]

Got a brute, very few could have a played that ball

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I don’t see why he’s in the team. He’s 34 and he hides down at #5. That spot should be for a youngster.

See I called you out previously for his age and calling you out again. You mate are just too harsh, score big I praise you get copped with a good delivery you are mediocre. It was, unplayable! If you are such a batting coach tell us how you play that? Cause everyone gets out to that.

 

[volcyz]

Still 10x better than Shan Masood

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Still 10x better than Sham Masood

Most of the guys are just Purchi supporters, you are a hero if you score runs and we don’t wish to know you if you get nothing. The delivery was unplayable and that should be the end of the matter, he was unlucky and InshAllah scores in the next innings.

 

[Mamoon]

He is doing an excellent Asad Shafiq cosplay.

Keeps failing when the team needs him to play an impactful innings and will keep scoring a stats-boosting innings when the match is already done.

 

[ahmedzee]

He got an unplayable delivery. I saw it live. I guarantee most batsmen in the world would get out on that ball. Fawad should be persisted with. And this is coming from his once biggest critic.

 

[Mamoon]

He has 12k FC runs. If he cannot handle these “unplayable” deliveries, why is he in the team?

People with their poor cricket acumen will glorify useless 4th innings runs, but Test matches are set up in the first two innings.

Fawad has yet again flopped at a time when his runs could have proved to be decisive in shaping the outcome of the match.

A 50-60 here would have been worth more than his stats-boosting, inconsequential hundred in the first Test and put Pakistan in a very commanding position.

 

[Hawkeye]

Terrible terrible.

He's failed 99% of the times after his comeback.

Just one impact-less innings to show.

Why are fans over the moon?

 

[choudhary6964]

He is the new Asad shafiq.He will score once in a blue moon and that innings will have no impact on match result.now it seems like he may play for 4-5 years.He should have never been picked.He can't succeed at this level.just not good enough.

 

[sindhiboy]

Don't trash talk him. Fawad got an unplayable snorter from Jamieson today

 

[Marshland]

I take it that everybody on this thread also hated on Shiv Chanderpaul.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

PP'ers will continue to lurch from guillotine to pedestal - innings by innings.

Fawad has earned his spot in the team for at least until the end of South Africa series.

Much as I am not a believer in him, this innings by innings analysis is pretty useless. He may score 50's in the next 2 innings and fail in the next 4.

Best to assess him after SA series.

 

[RickyG]

Terrible terrible.

He's failed 99% of the times after his comeback.

Just one impact-less innings to show.

Why are fans over the moon?

Do you know how percentages are calculated? Or are you trying to do your best impression of Donald Trump. If so that was a fantastic take on him. If not then please spare us from opening your trap again.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

He is doing an excellent Asad Shafiq cosplay.

Keeps failing when the team needs him to play an impactful innings and will keep scoring a stats-boosting innings when the match is already done.

Mate no way anybody played that delivery. It’s fans like you that sicken me. Every innings you take into account and it’s just like the PCB never giving anyone a fair shake.

Stop acting like a casual and actually say you know what that was just good bowling as oppose to poor batting.

 

[RickyG]

He has 12k FC runs. If he cannot handle these “unplayable” deliveries, why is he in the team?

People with their poor cricket acumen will glorify useless 4th innings runs, but Test matches are set up in the first two innings.

Fawad has yet again flopped at a time when his runs could have proved to be decisive in shaping the outcome of the match.

A 50-60 here would have been worth more than his stats-boosting, inconsequential hundred in the first Test and put Pakistan in a very commanding position.

Here we go again the ultimate dive is menstruating again.

 

[Junaids]

Fawad Alam since his comeback
0 and 20
0 not out
9 and 102
2

4 Tests
6 innings
1 x not out
1 century
0 fifties
4 single-figures dismissals
AVERAGE 26.60

Is that good enough? His average since his comeback is 10 runs per innings worse than Asad Shafiq. And he's actually OLDER than Asad Shafiq!

 

[Arsal_AK]

He is doing an excellent Asad Shafiq cosplay.

Keeps failing when the team needs him to play an impactful innings and will keep scoring a stats-boosting innings when the match is already done.

28 more balls and the match would have been a draw. But sure the match was already done.

 

[Mamoon]

28 more balls and the match would have been a draw. But sure the match was already done.

Yes, if only he was at the crease in the end when Pakistan only needed to face 28 more balls.

He got out to a tame delivery when there was almost a session to go and left the job to the tail.

Fawad’s innings was good in terms of the conditions and the quality of attack but useless in terms of context of the match.

He came to the party too late to help Pakistan win and left too early to help Pakistan draw. It was a useless, inconsequential, very much Shafiq-like innings.

The narrative by Pakistani fans is obviously different because they expect him to win Pakistan a lot of matches in the future and think he would have won Pakistan a lot of matches in the last 10 years.

 

[Mamoon]

Fawad Alam since his comeback
0 and 20
0 not out
9 and 102
2

4 Tests
6 innings
1 x not out
1 century
0 fifties
4 single-figures dismissals
AVERAGE 26.60

Is that good enough? His average since his comeback is 10 runs per innings worse than Asad Shafiq. And he's actually OLDER than Asad Shafiq!

It is not good enough at all, but delusional fans will read a different script and put a different spin on it because it is Fawad Alam.

 

[Mamoon]

Mate no way anybody played that delivery. It’s fans like you that sicken me. Every innings you take into account and it’s just like the PCB never giving anyone a fair shake.

Stop acting like a casual and actually say you know what that was just good bowling as oppose to poor batting.

He has batted poorly since his comeback and has not justified his selection. He has failed in every innings bar one and that one innings came too late and ended too early to help Pakistan salvage anything from that game.

 

[imranyounus]

once again a true Pakistani batsman scored one big score in a losing game. did not have mental strength to get us over the line and then once again when you need them to score a decent half century they fail miserably.

 

[imranyounus]

but overall I would say even though he has been scoring big in domestic he doesn't have technical game to represent Pakistan for a longer-term especially in non subcontinent environment. and keeping in view we can't play India any more that is pretty much all overseas game's. In the end he might be just a home ground player.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

He has batted poorly since his comeback and has not justified his selection. He has failed in every innings bar one and that one innings came too late and ended too early to help Pakistan salvage anything from that game.

I'll ask this what did Haris do? What did Shan do? What did Abid do? Nothing, that's what they did. These have been 2 tough tours back to back and asking someone to make a comeback on these tours is a tough ask unlike Haris Sohail and the rest who got easy tours against SL and Bang.

Get off the high horse, the delivery he got out to was a good delivery. The delivery in the first innings of the first test was a bad shot that i will admit.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

He came too late in team, his place should Have been given to a promising youngster

 

[Saj]

To be fair to him that was a brute of a ball he got from Jamieson.

Some would argue that he could have dropped his gloves, but given his stance, the short ball can be a problem for him.

 

[Cric1234]

He’s being compared to Chanderpaul in the last 5 years of his career when he was 35-40 years old Chanderpaul was in peak form averaging very high if Fawad is good enough with a similar technique he can also do the same.

He’s yet to show he can outside Asia one century but failures in the rest of his innings.

 

[MenInG]

The "unplayable delivery" from Jamieson to Fawad

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[Shoaibbtt]

To be fair to him that was a brute of a ball he got from Jamieson.

Some would argue that he could have dropped his gloves, but given his stance, the short ball can be a problem for him.

Stance or no stance nobody would’ve survived that, the best batsmen would’ve got out to that. Too many overdramatic people counting this as a failure.

 

[Mamoon]

I'll ask this what did Haris do? What did Shan do? What did Abid do? Nothing, that's what they did. These have been 2 tough tours back to back and asking someone to make a comeback on these tours is a tough ask unlike Haris Sohail and the rest who got easy tours against SL and Bang.

Get off the high horse, the delivery he got out to was a good delivery. The delivery in the first innings of the first test was a bad shot that i will admit.

The failures of others doesn’t justify the failures of Fawad.

It is a fact that he has failed in all but one innings so far, and in the context of the game, that one innings proved to be useless as well.

If he is also dependent on facing weak Sri Lankan and Bangladeshi attacks at home, then there is no difference between him and others and there is no need to complain about the apparent injustice that he has suffered for 10 years.

In FC cricket, he has played 160+ matches and scored 33 hundreds at an average of 55+, and the way everyone was singing his songs, I was expecting him to hit the ground running immediately and make an instant impact, proving himself to be one of the top batsmen in the world.

But all we have got so far is an average batsman who is doing mimicry of Chanderpaul and producing telephone numbers apart from one innings that didn’t help Pakistan win or draw.

He has not looked like a 55+ averaging FC batsman from any angle.

 

[gazza619]

The "unplayable delivery" from Jamieson to Fawad

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That was indeed unplayable. Actually only a good player who have gloved that ball.

 

[Hasan123]

He did get a good ball. Let's remember that.

 

[ads101]

I have a feeling Fawad will fail in the long run. He's too old, 35 is very old to try to be cementing a spot in international cricket especially for one that relies more on hand eye coordination. It's different for an older batsman who has been playing in the team for years, he doesn't have that adjustment period to international cricket, and can make up some of those lost reflexes with experience.

The point is he's been unjustly ignored. People always just expected him to fail. We head about how his technique wouldn't hold up away, and yet he's got a century in New Zealand, the only one. When he was sent to open on debut, he performed despite being middle order. This guy just has a history of being dropped unfairly and performing. Imagine if he was backed like the rest. He could have been useful for a decade for us. He could have actually retired from international level at his age right now with many international centuries under his name at a great average, instead of having to try and restart his fledgling international career.

He's old and not at the height of his powers anymore. He doesn't dominate domestic anymore. Just imagine if he can score a century in NZ now just included again in the team recently, imagine what he would have done younger and on Asian pitches. He would have churned out the runs by the bucketload. I really hope he succeeds and defies expectations again, but succeeding at this late stage would be difficult for any batsman let alone Fawad.

 

[imranyounus]

Some times you play tough deliveries as if they are average once. And some times you play an average one in such manner that it looks extraordinary.

He got a good one but it was not unplayable rather the way he played it made it look so. And what worries me is that now he will face lot's of such deliveries.

 

[Smbhayi]

Why so much hates someone like Fawad? Give him proper chance at least..

 

[Smbhayi]

Fawad Alam since his comeback
0 and 20
0 not out
9 and 102
2

4 Tests
6 innings
1 x not out
1 century
0 fifties
4 single-figures dismissals
AVERAGE 26.60

Is that good enough? His average since his comeback is 10 runs per innings worse than Asad Shafiq. And he's actually OLDER than Asad Shafiq!

I guess Shafiq scores centuries in every four match then..

 

[FreePalestine]

Wow, a single failure to a brute of a delivery after a magnificent hundred and the knives are already out again!

 

[Kroll]

Okay, it was a good ball he got out to, but to lie down like that was embarrassing!

 

[Hawkeye]

Drop him NOW.

Or, SUFFER.

Same for Yasir Shah, Shan Masood.

 

[Suleiman]

I’m not a fan of his, but come on, at least give him a full series... what is with you people? If it was your favorite batsman you would defend him to get 5-10 series, and for this guy after a solid knock you want him dropped because he got out on a real good one?

This is coming from a guy who still believes Fawad won’t amount to much overseas.

 

[wajid]

It is no surprise that champs like Mamoon who are unconditionally sold on talent and ceilings of pants, Shaws and gills are brutal on lowly talents and ceilings of Alam and the like. Fawad has already demonstrated that he himself is ceiling of Pakistan batting with unmatched FC record over a looooong time. Those rooting to drop him should better drop any hopes on Pakistan batting as well...

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I take it that everybody on this thread also hated on Shiv Chanderpaul.

LOL. Good one!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It is no surprise that champs like Mamoon who are unconditionally sold on talent and ceilings of pants, Shaws and gills are brutal on lowly talents and ceilings of Alam and the like. Fawad has already demonstrated that he himself is ceiling of Pakistan batting with unmatched FC record over a looooong time. Those rooting to drop him should better drop any hopes on Pakistan batting as well...

I'm just glad these cricketing gurus are not responsible for any actual decisions. Pakistan would be vanquishing below Bangladesh in the test rankings if they were.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Poor Fawad can get no quarter here. You'd think scoring a century on his 3rd match back after a decade of knocking down the door to be noticed would finally earn him some respect. But no, instead he is being compared Asad Shafiq. Someone remind [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] what his idols Pujara and Kohli did in New Zealand last time they were here before he castigates Fawad for getting out to an unplayable delivery. Kohli literally couldn't buy a run as Southee made him his bunny, and ended the series with an average of 9.50.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He should have left that ball. He isn't the only batter who struggles with the short ball in SENA.

 

[waleed88]

Poor Fawad can get no quarter here. You'd think scoring a century on his 3rd match back after a decade of knocking down the door to be noticed would finally earn him some respect. But no, instead he is being compared Asad Shafiq. Someone remind [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] what his idols Pujara and Kohli did in New Zealand last time they were here before he castigates Fawad for getting out to an unplayable delivery. Kohli literally couldn't buy a run as Southee made him his bunny, and ended the series with an average of 9.50.

Forget Kohli Babar survived on that one 98 run not out against NZ in 2016 (quite inconsequential in the end) for more than 1 and a half years in a test squad, averaging 23 after 11 Test Matches, but was persisted in the squad on the basis of being the chosen one. The chosen one only performed in ODIs back then. Afterwards he was played as a number 6 batsman because he couldn't even survive the new ball. Only after 2019 did he settle in Test matches after decent performances against England in 2018 and South Africa in 2019.

 

[waleed88]

I have not seen fans so triggered by one batting performance so much since the times of Misbah when he could get continuous hate for his attritional batting.

 

[oneindia]

TBH he got out at nothing delivery. Most batsmen would have left the ball. He actually walked into the an awkward stance where he didn't have any answer for the delivery but most batsmen would have stayed where they are leave that nothing ball.

Any ball is unplayable of you get into its way with an awkward stance.

 

[Mamoon]

It is no surprise that champs like Mamoon who are unconditionally sold on talent and ceilings of pants, Shaws and gills are brutal on lowly talents and ceilings of Alam and the like. Fawad has already demonstrated that he himself is ceiling of Pakistan batting with unmatched FC record over a looooong time. Those rooting to drop him should better drop any hopes on Pakistan batting as well...

But Fawad is older than the likes of Shaws and Gills put together. He is 35 years old with 160+ FC games under his belt. You expect him to hit the ground running.

If he also needs time to settle at this level at this stage of his career or needs some pie bowling to fill his boots, then there is no reason to invest him in and flex his FC record.

So far, we have not seen any evidence of his FC experience and class with the way he is churning out scores like 0, 4, 8, 9 etc. barring one inconsequential innings.

 

[Mamoon]

Poor Fawad can get no quarter here. You'd think scoring a century on his 3rd match back after a decade of knocking down the door to be noticed would finally earn him some respect. But no, instead he is being compared Asad Shafiq. Someone remind [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] what his idols Pujara and Kohli did in New Zealand last time they were here before he castigates Fawad for getting out to an unplayable delivery. Kohli literally couldn't buy a run as Southee made him his bunny, and ended the series with an average of 9.50.

I was expecting this desperate card by his apologists as they somehow look to defend his telephone digits scores.

He can outperform Don Bradman on a given day, but that is not the point.

The point is that so far, he has not produced anything that suggests that he is in a different league to the other Pakistani batsmen and why he has gathered 12,000+ runs over 160+ FC matches.

He has literally failed miserably in every single innings apart from that inconsequential hundred. Has basically been a tail-ender excluding that innings, with scores like 0, 2, 4 etc. I think his second highest is 21 or something.

So far, he has not brought anything more than what Shafiq does. He also produces a string of single digit scores with an impact-less 60 or 70 every 3-4 Tests.

It appears that Fawad Alam fans have a problem with someone pointing out his single digit scores. Looks like they are not to be discussed because he made a comeback after a long time.

 

[Mamoon]

I have not seen fans so triggered by one batting performance so much since the times of Misbah when he could get continuous hate for his attritional batting.

It is incredible how easy it is to rattle Fawad fans by pointing out the fact that he has produced tail-ender like numbers apart from one inconsequential innings.

 

[waleed88]

It is incredible how easy it is to rattle Fawad fans by pointing out the fact that he has produced tail-ender like numbers apart from one inconsequential innings.

Last time we spoke, you disappeared after I showed you his 6 innings that you were talking about (3 Test matches) was actually 3. Shows a biased opinion rather than an opinion based on facts.

 

[waleed88]

It clearly pains you to see a guy doing well in his second test match, that you have started calling for his head within 2 test matches (from what happened last game)

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I was expecting this desperate card by his apologists as they somehow look to defend his telephone digits scores.

He can outperform Don Bradman on a given day, but that is not the point.

The point is that so far, he has not produced anything that suggests that he is in a different league to the other Pakistani batsmen and why he has gathered 12,000+ runs over 160+ FC matches.

He has literally failed miserably in every single innings apart from that inconsequential hundred. Has basically been a tail-ender excluding that innings, with scores like 0, 2, 4 etc. I think his second highest is 21 or something.

So far, he has not brought anything more than what Shafiq does. He also produces a string of single digit scores with an impact-less 60 or 70 every 3-4 Tests.

It appears that Fawad Alam fans have a problem with someone pointing out his single digit scores. Looks like they are not to be discussed because he made a comeback after a long time.

Anyone who makes a judgment on a player based on 3 tests cannot be taken seriously. That too if the tests are in swinging seaming conditions of England and New Zealand, which as I already pointed out, your two idols failed miserably in.

Fawad is special because you have to be special to reach the highest ever batting average in your country's FC history. And then hold on to that record for 7 years and counting. Nothing you say can change that basic fact.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I was expecting this desperate card by his apologists as they somehow look to defend his telephone digits scores.

He can outperform Don Bradman on a given day, but that is not the point.

The point is that so far, he has not produced anything that suggests that he is in a different league to the other Pakistani batsmen and why he has gathered 12,000+ runs over 160+ FC matches.

He has literally failed miserably in every single innings apart from that inconsequential hundred. Has basically been a tail-ender excluding that innings, with scores like 0, 2, 4 etc. I think his second highest is 21 or something.

So far, he has not brought anything more than what Shafiq does. He also produces a string of single digit scores with an impact-less 60 or 70 every 3-4 Tests.

It appears that Fawad Alam fans have a problem with someone pointing out his single digit scores. Looks like they are not to be discussed because he made a comeback after a long time.

Your idol Pujara went years looking like a tail-ender overseas before producing a few credible performances in England and that series-winning performance in Australia. Why do you reserve the double standards for Pakistani players?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Scoring runs in SENA is a difficult ask for Asian batsmen, and something that the great majority of them fail at. To expect Fawad to produce Bradman like numbers in his fourth test back is absolutely ludicrous and shows how out of touch certain posters here are.

 

[wajid]

But Fawad is older than the likes of Shaws and Gills put together. He is 35 years old with 160+ FC games under his belt. You expect him to hit the ground running.

If he also needs time to settle at this level at this stage of his career or needs some pie bowling to fill his boots, then there is no reason to invest him in and flex his FC record.

So far, we have not seen any evidence of his FC experience and class with the way he is churning out scores like 0, 4, 8, 9 etc. barring one inconsequential innings.

Considering the fact that the rest of the pack seems unable to produce even such inconsequential knocks in SENA, I will take fawad any day. Also, at 36 he is supposed to be not in his prime, form and fitness wise, but due to sheer determination and hard work he has proven himself a notch above the rest. That’s why teams should always try to select their best players and fawad has been one of our domestic best for some time now.

All this and also the fact that veritable Indian giants also failed against same opposition at same venues and produced telephone digit averages lends considerable credit to fawad’s stock. Had he been smashing centuries every innings meant that everyone was wrong as I see no one claiming him to be GOAT, instead just best of the pack!!

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=154093]wajid[/MENTION]

If Pujara was picked for India right now at the age of 32-33 with 15k FC runs under his belt, he would be expected to perform right away and there would be no “settling in” period for him.

You are making an apples-oranges comparison. Fawad Alam is a 35 year old veteran with 12k FC runs. The sole purpose of selecting him at this stage of his career was to capitalize from his experience so that he can make an instant impact and hit the ground running.

Telephone numbers sandwiched between one inconsequential innings is not instant impact. If he needs 2-3 years of bedding period so that he can start mimicking his FC performances in international cricket at the age of 38 which is retirement age, then we may as well invest in this time in a younger player with a good FC record.

Pujara was picked by India in his early 20s. He was a long-term investment and India could afford to see him learn through the trials and tribulations of international cricket.

Fawad is not a long-term investment. Should he have been a long-term investment and got his his chances 10 years back? Perhaps, but that ship has sailed.

Right now, he is not a long-term investment because there is nothing to invest. He will be done in a couple of years, so he should be utilizing his FC experience and class right away.

Unfortunately, he has been batting like a rookie player in his early 20’s who cannot cope with international class bowling but has played one innings in-between that gives hope that he could be promising down the line. In Fawad’s case, there is no “down the line”. It is now or never.

Fawad is to Pakistan what basically Adam Voges was to Australia in 2015-16. After toiling and performing in Shield Cricket for 10+ years, he finally got the chance to play Test cricket at the age of 35-36.

There was no bedding in period for him. He took to international cricket like duck to water and utilized all his experience to muster an average of 60+ after 20 Tests with a top score of 269.

After a couple of years, after the age of 37-38, he was discard because Australia knew they had already extracted whatever they could from him.

If Fawad Alam is not good enough to perform in SENA conditions at the age of 35 and 160+ FC matches under his belt, there there is no need to flex his FC record.

And if he needs time to settle in international cricket than he is not an intelligent investment because he is not going to last long anyway.

 

[Mamoon]

Last time we spoke, you disappeared after I showed you his 6 innings that you were talking about (3 Test matches) was actually 3. Shows a biased opinion rather than an opinion based on facts.

And now it is 4 failures and one inconsequential good knock. He fails every time I watch him bat so excuse me for not keeping a proper count of how many telephone number digits he had produced since coming back to the side last summer.

 

[Slog]

Tbh he got an unplayable ball in the first innings of 2nd test.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] [MENTION=154093]wajid[/MENTION]

If Pujara was picked for India right now at the age of 32-33 with 15k FC runs under his belt, he would be expected to perform right away and there would be no “settling in” period for him.

You are making an apples-oranges comparison. Fawad Alam is a 35 year old veteran with 12k FC runs. The sole purpose of selecting him at this stage of his career was to capitalize from his experience so that he can make an instant impact and hit the ground running.

Telephone numbers sandwiched between one inconsequential innings is not instant impact. If he needs 2-3 years of bedding period so that he can start mimicking his FC performances in international cricket at the age of 38 which is retirement age, then we may as well invest in this time in a younger player with a good FC record.

Pujara was picked by India in his early 20s. He was a long-term investment and India could afford to see him learn through the trials and tribulations of international cricket.

Fawad is not a long-term investment. Should he have been a long-term investment and got his his chances 10 years back? Perhaps, but that ship has sailed.

Right now, he is not a long-term investment because there is nothing to invest. He will be done in a couple of years, so he should be utilizing his FC experience and class right away.

Unfortunately, he has been batting like a rookie player in his early 20’s who cannot cope with international class bowling but has played one innings in-between that gives hope that he could be promising down the line. In Fawad’s case, there is no “down the line”. It is now or never.

Fawad is to Pakistan what basically Adam Voges was to Australia in 2015-16. After toiling and performing in Shield Cricket for 10+ years, he finally got the chance to play Test cricket at the age of 35-36.

There was no bedding in period for him. He took to international cricket like duck to water and utilized all his experience to muster an average of 60+ after 20 Tests with a top score of 269.

After a couple of years, after the age of 37-38, he was discard because Australia knew they had already extracted whatever they could from him.

If Fawad Alam is not good enough to perform in SENA conditions at the age of 35 and 160+ FC matches under his belt, there there is no need to flex his FC record.

And if he needs time to settle in international cricket than he is not an intelligent investment because he is not going to last long anyway.

First off, Pujara was picked for India after decimating bowlers in Ranji Trophy. Secondly, I would argue that as an established international player he has even greater impetus to deliver for India on overseas tours yet he didn't...for years. He batted like an absolute cowardly tailender series after series...like a deer caught in the headlights, whenever the ball moved around even a little bit. He is failing still. He failed miserably in New Zealand at the start of the year despite being one of the top-ranked batsmen in the world. And yet here you have your knives out for Fawad after 3 test matches.

Also please stop using the strawman age argument when MANY players have proven without a shadow of a doubt that age is just a number in test cricket.

And no it is not the same. Fawad has not had any significant chances for you to pass such decisive judgments on his batting. 9/10 batsmen would have gotten out on the ball he got in the first innings. And for you to further criticize him for getting out to it shows to me just how biased you are as an an observer of cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

First off, Pujara was picked for India after decimating bowlers in Ranji Trophy. Secondly, I would argue that as an established international player he has even greater impetus to deliver for India on overseas tours yet he didn't...for years. He batted like an absolute cowardly tailender series after series...like a deer caught in the headlights, whenever the ball moved around even a little bit. He is failing still. He failed miserably in New Zealand at the start of the year despite being one of the top-ranked batsmen in the world. And yet here you have your knives out for Fawad after 3 test matches.

Also please stop using the strawman age argument when MANY players have proven without a shadow of a doubt that age is just a number in test cricket.

And no it is not the same. Fawad has not had any significant chances for you to pass such decisive judgments on his batting. 9/10 batsmen would have gotten out on the ball he got in the first innings. And for you to further criticize him for getting out to it shows to me just how biased you are as an an observer of cricket.

Age is not just a number in Test cricket. It will never be. How many cricketers in the last 150 years of Test cricket have played beyond the age of 40? How many have played beyond the age of 45?

What is the average age of retirement in international cricket?

You did not address my points and I thought so as well, and you are still reading from the same script.

Again, Pujara was picked as a long-term investment in his early 20s. It took him a while to get going outside Asia but he eventually won India a series against Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon in Australia that very few Asian batsmen in history would manage.

Still, he is not super consistent outside Asia which is why he is not considered to be a batsman of Kohli’s class.

Pujara is actually still younger than Fawad, and if he starts producing telephone numbers at the age of 35+, India will move on from him just like they moved on from their previous generation.

Once again, Fawad has been drafted into the side at an age where he is not a long-term investment. It is now or never type situation for him.

If he doesn’t perform immediately at the age of 35 with all the wealth of FC experience, there really is no point in picking him. Better pick a younger player with a good FC record because few years down the line, he might be in a position to repay that investment.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Age is not just a number in Test cricket. It will never be. How many cricketers in the last 150 years of Test cricket have played beyond the age of 40? How many have played beyond the age of 45?

What is the average age of retirement in international cricket?

You did not address my points and I thought so as well, and you are still reading from the same script.

Again, Pujara was picked as a long-term investment in his early 20s. It took him a while to get going outside Asia but he eventually won India a series against Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood and Lyon in Australia that very few Asian batsmen in history would manage.

Still, he is not super consistent outside Asia which is why he is not considered to be a batsman of Kohli’s class.

Pujara is actually still younger than Fawad, and if he starts producing telephone numbers at the age of 35+, India will move on from him just like they moved on from their previous generation.

Once again, Fawad has been drafted into the side at an age where he is not a long-term investment. It is now or never type situation for him.

If he doesn’t perform immediately at the age of 35 with all the wealth of FC experience, there really is no point in picking him. Better pick a younger player with a good FC record because few years down the line, he might be in a position to repay that investment.

Chanderpaul reached the top of the ICC Test Batting Rankings at the age of 41.
du Plessis who is 36, scored his best ever Test score last week.
Chris Rogers despite being color blind and shortsighted debuted at 31 and went on to have a reasonably successful career.
Misbah had his best years in his mid to late thirties.
Michael Hussey debuted after his 30th birthday and went on to have a highly successful career playing till the age of 38.
Ajmal debuted at 32.
Dave Houghton debuted at 34.

Its ludicrous to try to look at stats and point out how many players have played past the age X in the last X number of years but there are enough examples to suggest that age IS just a number and what you are peddling is a pure myth, as the example of Chanderpaul exemplifies.

Nobody is expecting Fawad to play 100 Tests. All people expect is for him to make the most of the time he has. Doesn't matter if he plays 20, 25 or 30 tests. As long as he is performing he should keep playing. And absolutely no one is concerned about long-term investments at this point. Neither should they be. When you have a batting line-up like Pakistans having batsmen that can help the side put up credible totals is more important than drafting in a "long-term investment" that will take years to deliver. We already have two long-term investments: Babar and Rizwan. That is good enough.

 

[Mamoon]

Chanderpaul reached the top of the ICC Test Batting Rankings at the age of 41.
du Plessis who is 36, scored his best ever Test score last week.
Chris Rogers despite being color blind and shortsighted debuted at 31 and went on to have a reasonably successful career.
Michael Hussey debuted after his 30th birthday and went on to have a highly successful career playing till the age of 38.
Ajmal debuted at 32.
Dave Houghton debuted at 34.

Its ludicrous to try to look at stats and point out how many players have played past the age X in the last X number of years but there are enough examples to suggest that age IS just a number and what you are peddling is a pure myth, as the example of Chanderpaul exemplifies.

Nobody is expecting Fawad to play 100 Tests. All people expect is for him to make the most of the time he has. Doesn't matter if he plays 20, 25 tests or 30 tests. As long as he is performing he should keep playing. And absolutely no one is concerned about long-term investments at this point. Neither should they be. When you have a batting line-up like Pakistans having batsmen that can help the side put up credible totals is more important than drafting in a "long-term investment" that will take years to deliver. We already have two long-term investments: Babar and Rizwan. That is good enough.

Out of 150+ years of Test cricket history, you have come up with 6-7 names to prove your point. Alright. I am convinced.

 

[waleed88]

And now it is 4 failures and one inconsequential good knock. He fails every time I watch him bat so excuse me for not keeping a proper count of how many telephone number digits he had produced since coming back to the side last summer.

It's ok to be opinionated about something, it's a completely other thing misrepresenting facts in your initial rant. Your initial rant, and if you want I can copy it for you said 6 failures. And I'm sorry it shows complete ignorance, and certainly not seeing evidence on display.

If you want a guy who had just scored a century to be out of the team, based on the evidence you provided. You should be able to back it up too. What your rant shows was that you were already opinionated about the guy and you clearly used his failures in England to justify his exclusion, without seeing that he played just 2 innings out of the 4. Unless you wanted him to bat after the test match was already drawn. Now that is called bias not objectively. Bias because like you have ranted before, it's because his technique is ugly, he is a washed up 35 year old etc. etc.

The jury is out on Fawad and I never said the guy was going to set the world alight. But like your initial rant, lets wait for his '6th failure' before we discuss further.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Out of 150+ years of Test cricket history, you have come up with 6-7 names to prove your point. Alright. I am convinced.

LOL why would any sane person look at the 150+ years history test cricket when the game has change monumentally over such a long period of time.

Modern day cricket which is much different than cricket was in 1896 has seen plenty of names that had successful careers past their 30s.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

The failures of others doesn’t justify the failures of Fawad.

It is a fact that he has failed in all but one innings so far, and in the context of the game, that one innings proved to be useless as well.

If he is also dependent on facing weak Sri Lankan and Bangladeshi attacks at home, then there is no difference between him and others and there is no need to complain about the apparent injustice that he has suffered for 10 years.

In FC cricket, he has played 160+ matches and scored 33 hundreds at an average of 55+, and the way everyone was singing his songs, I was expecting him to hit the ground running immediately and make an instant impact, proving himself to be one of the top batsmen in the world.

But all we have got so far is an average batsman who is doing mimicry of Chanderpaul and producing telephone numbers apart from one innings that didn’t help Pakistan win or draw.

He has not looked like a 55+ averaging FC batsman from any angle.

Not fair dude. He's had 2 tough series back to back and it's unfair to expect the best from someone in these tough conditions. Sometimes a batsmen needs some runs to get himself going, but if we do what you do which is go change happy every time a batsman fails then we will never have a stable test XI. If tomorrow we add Saud Shakeel to the order or Kamran Ghulam and they fail then you'll say oh chuck them out as well. Nobody on here as well seemed to acknowledge the fact he took a nasty ball to get out and you should be giving him the benefit of the doubt, either you are right that he should've got out the way or the commentators are right that it was "unplayable", so batting coach which is it? You guys i don't understand as well, Azhar scores a 93 and then you tend to forget that he failed 12 innings in a row and at the same time was awarded captaincy. Allow a player to get into the groove of things and let's see how he does in this next innings as well as the SA series.

He did what he could in the last match and tried pushing it as much as he could, staying out there for that long you are bound to make a mistake. You ain't a magician, fact is though he's fitter than most of his colleagues in the dressing room especially Haris who's 4 years younger than him which is shameful.

 

[Mamoon]

He is averaging 26 after two tours since comeback.

He was as responsible for this whitewash as any batsman, because he badly failed in the first innings of both Tests and helped New Zealand take complete charge of the Tests.

An average of 26 is simply not good enough for a 35 year old batsman with 12,000 FC runs under his belt.

He was brought into the team to make an instant impact. He has failed to provide that. He has been utterly pathetic apart from one inconsequential innings.

If he needs a bedding period like everyone else and then there is no point in picking a 35 year old like him, and if he needs Sri Lanka and Bangladesh reserves to score runs then there is no need to flash his FC record.

 

[pillionrider]

I just watched him today and can't unsee that batting stance

I remember seeing his debut games and he sometimes had the commentators cracking up over the tangles he'd get into, especially while playing spinners and attempting to sweep. Don't recall his initial stance being this ridiculous.

 

[choudhary6964]

So this guy failed yet again well that was expected.useless good for nothing player.He will keep failing again and again.Get rid of him as soon as possible.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

What Fawad fans liked was that he had a 56 batting average in domestics. What we did not like was that he was only given 3 matches. Two of them were as openers, and one was at # 3 in New Zealand. He averaged 41 in those 3 matches and he was dropped for 10 years.

I dont mind if he gets dropped, however this man was cheated of a long test career by PCB. Even now they gave him a come back in England and New Zealand.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

He did get a good ball. Let's remember that.

That is not an unplayable delivery, his technique to face that ball is all over it..

With his stance , i feel he will always find difficult to play the rising ball.. With 12k FC runs and 50+ avg i would expect him to duck and leave this rising bounce, instead of standing still like a wall for the ball to hit him...

Drop him now or keep suffering, he will be worse than Asad in away SENA tours...

 

[ShahidDar08]

He is simply a pathetic batsman with ugly stance and style.