[VIDEOS] How good is Chris Woakes?

[Third_Umpire]

He is a proper top order bat. Very impressed.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Impact player, next Flintoff

 

[Mamoon]

County cricket is producing some very talented all-round cricketers in recent times.

Finn should make way for Stokes.

Having both Stokes and Woakes in the same XI is a big luxury for England.

 

[troodon]

He is class . I think he will get a 70 odd tomorrow and maybe give england a handy 30 40 Lead


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He might score some 60 runs. But England will bundled out for 300.

If Broad can stay together with Woakes for some 15 overs, expect England to take the lead. The first hour of play is crucial.

 

[The_Odd_One]

County cricket is producing some very talented all-round cricketers in recent times.

Finn should make way for Stokes.

Having both Stokes and Woakes in the same XI is a big luxury for England.

May be drop Moin too and play a proper spinner? He has been disappointing with both bat and ball. I think England should really invest in a proper spinner.

 

[troodon]

May be drop Moin too and play a proper spinner? He has been disappointing with both bat and ball. I think England should really invest in a proper spinner.

Moen Ali got a very rough decision today. Umpire was very brave to give that out.

 

[delpiero10]

Woakes has been a top notch county pro with bat and ball for nearly a decade. Glad to see that he now appears to be taking his chance at the highest level. Delighted for the lad.

 

[IAJ]

Seriously good bowler. Troubling every batsman.

 

[Mamoon]

May be drop Moin too and play a proper spinner? He has been disappointing with both bat and ball. I think England should really invest in a proper spinner.

Moeen makes some useful contributions with the bat every now and then. He is an awful spinner but England can't do much when he bats better than others spinners who aren't great with the ball either.

England have to cope with until they produce a quality spinner like Swann.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Woakes gets well deserving 10fer. Easily best pacer in whole match.

Need Yasir to get his match-winning 10fer now

 

[waleed88]

In my fantasy team.. him and Yasir Shah both..

 

[waleed88]

Look at the away movement he is getting from the old ball.. absoultely brilliant!

 

[Amjid Javed]

Best seamer/fast bowler in match so far and has deserved his 10 wicket haul, has bowled with great intelligence and swung the ball both ways.

 

[The_KING]

Honestly I thought he was very average but he has proven me wrong in this match. Let's see what he does for the rest of the series. Hopefully not as good as he did in this match.

 

[Mamoon]

Superstar cricketer. What a performer.

 

[cricketbadshah]

Honestly India and Pakistan are master in creating world class player for other teams...Just lookup the stats of woakes before this match they are preety medicore in test and now pak gifting their 11 wickets to him and now this guy look like a beast....cant believe they gave 11 wickets to him and i also remember pak also made woakes look like micheal starc in odi series against them when he was not even at his best...

 

[Seen Sheen]

Honestly India and Pakistan are master in creating world class player for other teams...Just lookup the stats of woakes before this match they are preety medicore in test and now pak gifting their 11 wickets to him and now this guy look like a beast....cant believe they gave 11 wickets to him and i also remember pak also made woakes look like micheal starc in odi series against them when he was not even at his best...

You clearly have not followed Woakes development over the last year and haven't seen him bowl in this game otherwise you wouldn't have made such ignorant remarks about him.

 

[cricketbadshah]

yeah may be you are right but his stats in test is not so good barring this match...he is a class bowler in odi but in test i dont think he is at that level.

 

[Seen Sheen]

You have to take your hat off for Woakes. One of the best all round performance I have witnessed in Test match cricket. The guy is GOLD!

 

[Varun]

I suppose you can create a thread on every player and bump the one that fired at the end of the game and say "I told you so!"

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

First time I've seen Woakes in a prolonged spell. Lovely bowler, didn't really deserve to be on the losing side.

 

[Rudi hater]

Superstar cricketer. What a performer.

Are you talking about Yasir?

 

[Robert]

He reminds me of Angus Fraser - the height, accuracy and bounce - though he swings it away too.

Plus he will get a test hundred or two by the time he finishes.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Pure Gold he is. He can bat in the top 3 as well. Very unusual bowling action.

 

[IAJ]

What a talent, the control he showed was very good, he kept bowling in same areas and got reward for it and his batting is improving as well.

Pakistan really miss an allrounder like Woakes and there is another allrounder who will be back for poms.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Is this guy really that good? Thought he was a test specialist but everything he touches is turning to gold this series

 

[James]

Been our best player so far this season. Thoroughly shocked and it has come out of nowhere. Not sure he could produce results outside of English conditions though. But credit to him and he is simply winning matches for us at the moment.

 

[Muhammad10]

Looks like a potentially record breaking series for Imran Woakes.

 

[Mamoon]

Pure class.

 

[leatherface58]

Pakistan has boosted another career.

But in fairness, i liked this guy. I always criticized selecting Dernbach over Woakes. Now he should get an extended run.

 

[muqarrab]

This will be his best series, we have successfully made him look like mcgrath.

 

[delpiero10]

This will be his best series, we have successfully made him look like mcgrath.

He's taken 15 wickets at 11 and scored 116 runs at 58 in 1.5 test matches. Nobody expects him to come anywhere close to those numbers again.

But he does have the talent and temperament to be a high quality Test match allrounder. If he can sustain batting and bowling averages around 30, with Ben Stokes also in the team it almost gives England 12 players.

 

[muqarrab]

IT should be either ben stokes and him in the side not both of them. Also, he seems to be accurate and gets just about enough movement and thats that, he is an ok all rounder. Its more down to our poor batting.

 

[Zain Zaidi]

Hey everyone let's beat OP [emoji109]
We might feel good enough to forget this defeat [emoji13]

 

[Feroz Rawther]

bit premature to call him a world class allrounder, though has the potential to be one.He has been tested mainly in ENG only so far. In the other one place he has played ie: SAF he was pedestrian. So, not as of now .
Even Ashwin who has played 33 tests can't be called world class all rounder as of now.He needs to prove more both in bowling & batting out side subcontinent.

 

[Firebreaker]

He's better than Imran Khan and Jacques Kallis

 

[Sandeep]

He's better than Imran Khan and Jacques Kallis

But not better than Amjad Javed though..

 

[Seen Sheen]

He was the second best seamer in this game; Stokes looked more threatening on this pitch with his higher pace and steeper bounce but Woakes too was getting his trademark movement off back of the length plus bowled some nasty bouncers at quite a few batsmen.


All in all, another perfect game for him as an allrounder.

 

[Statsman]

Do England really need Chris Woakes?

A bowling average of 81.33 and batting average of 14 this series. 6 wickets and 180 runs.

Why is he in the side again?

 

[Ellipsism]

Does England need Chris Woakes in Asia? No.

Does England need Chris Woakes outside Asia? Yes.

 

[The_Odd_One]

So he is not the second coming of Imran Khan or Mike Procter.

 

[Statsman]

Not to forget the only wicket he got in the last test was when Kohli started hitting him all over the park. Woakes ended up with an economy of almost 5 whereas the other's pacers had the following eco:

Anderson - 3.15
Ball - 2.61
Stokes - 3.20

 

[Suleiman]

Has potential but atm he is kind of like the fast bowling version of Ashwin. King at home, gets thrashed abroad, but has some degree of skill with the bat.

 

[Statsman]

Has potential but atm he is kind of like the fast bowling version of Ashwin. King at home, gets thrashed abroad, but has some degree of skill with the bat.

Averages 64 with the ball and 21 with the bat abroad. Ashwin 33 and 30. Yeah, similar. 2

 

[jnaveen1980]

How about Jack Leach? Can English fans shed some light on him. I have heard of him.

 

[Suleiman]

Averages 64 with the ball and 21 with the bat abroad. Ashwin 33 and 30. Yeah, similar. 2

His career is just starting out, he was mediocre in 2013-2015, but end of 2015 early 2016 the kid redefined himself by increasing pace and working on his batting. This is his 2nd coming.

abhi toh party shuru hui hai

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Chris woake is not problem outside Asia , ben stroke, woakes, Broad, Anderson will be very formidable line up, problem is Ali, I think Rashid or some else spinner should take his place and be the fifth bowling option

 

[Ab Fan]

Not in Asia unless he improves.

 

[Bilal7]

Averages 64 with the ball and 21 with the bat abroad. Ashwin 33 and 30. Yeah, similar. 2

Doesn't Ashwin average nearly 60 with the ball outside Asia?

 

[MRSN]

What happened to the legendary Chris Woakes?

He looked like taking wicket every ball against Pakistan and never looked like getting out when batting. People thought he was second coming of Ian Botham.. But he has looked mediocre in India.

Is it bad form? or it is another case of Pakistan making a player look better than his skills?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Moeen Ali is the problem. Averages 41 with ball and 32 with the bat.

 

[Napa]

Moeen Ali is the problem. Averages 41 with ball and 32 with the bat.

Ali really looked lost in India. Started out reasonably well in the first Test, but went downhill fast. Batting was barely tolerable while bowling as completely smashed by Indian batsmen (figures of 0-46 and 2-174 in the last 2 Tests).

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ali really looked lost in India. Started out reasonably well in the first Test, but went downhill fast. Batting was barely tolerable while bowling as completely smashed by Indian batsmen (figures of 0-46 and 2-174 in the last 2 Tests).

England are forced to play 6 bowlers because of him and that has messed around with their balance. They need to kick him out and get a proper batsman in. They may not win but they'll do better.

 

[JaDed]

I think you are mistaken he was supposed to be Imran Khan IIRC,tbf Cook didn't have much confidence in him in the first place also Indian tour is usually not that easy for Englishmen.He would do well on non-Asian tracks which is good enough for English players as that has always mattered more to them.

Stokes was MIGHTY impressive though the guy even on field kept trying, remarkable stuff.

 

[samplepiece]

In theory they could have included a genuine batsman in his place but the only reserve batsmen in the English squad were Duckett and Ballance. Not sure if they would have scored more and pretty sure they would have bowled less. So it was a no-loss compromise to include Woakes in place of a genuine batsman.

If only England had brought another batsman in the squad in who they believed to be good enough for the playing XI, I am sure Woakes would have got a chop for atleast the Mumbai test. Dont understand the point of Ballance in the squad when the English team leadership do not have any faith in his abilities.

 

[Statsman]

Doesn't Ashwin average nearly 60 with the ball outside Asia?

No. 42. Mainly due to his performance in Australia.

 

[Statsman]

England are forced to play 6 bowlers because of him and that has messed around with their balance. They need to kick him out and get a proper batsman in. They may not win but they'll do better.

Moen Ali has performed much better than Woakes. Being a spinner, he has much more potential on these pitches. He is also a much better batsman. Woakes is a tailender here.

 

[Bilal7]

No. 42. Mainly due to his performance in Australia.

And South Africa. However, those were all pretty flat pitches, it has to be said.

However, being outbowled by Moeen and Lyon is simply unforgivable.

 

[Bilal7]

Moen Ali has performed much better than Woakes. Being a spinner, he has much more potential on these pitches. He is also a much better batsman. Woakes is a tailender here.

He also makes their team as a batsman alone. He's been asked to fill all sorts of holes recently which messes up a player's mindset. Once he's given a set position at #5, he'll start producing the goods more frequently. An important cog in England's team.

 

[Statsman]

And South Africa. However, those were all pretty flat pitches, it has to be said.

However, being outbowled by Moeen and Lyon is simply unforgivable.

Lyon and Ali are good bowlers at home as they get excellent support from their quicks. It's easier when you come to bowl with the opposition at say a 70/4 in the first session. You don't even bowl to the main batsmen half the time.

But yes, Ashwin should be outperforming them.

Any way, this thread is not about Ashwin.

 

[Bilal7]

Lyon and Ali are good bowlers at home as they get excellent support from their quicks. It's easier when you come to bowl with the opposition at say a 70/4 in the first session. You don't even bowl to the main batsmen half the time.

But yes, Ashwin should be outperforming them.

Any way, this thread is not about Ashwin.

You could make a similar case for Woakes. The guy is not going to run through teams in India, that is the job of thr spinners. However, he's been very good at home and in South Africa, IIRC, so he's definitely deserving of his place.

 

[Statsman]

You could make a similar case for Woakes. The guy is not going to run through teams in India, that is the job of thr spinners. However, he's been very good at home and in South Africa, IIRC, so he's definitely deserving of his place.

He has a different role though and is very much replaceable by a good batsman/ bowler. Bottom line is he isn't performing with bat or ball and was bad in Bangladesh as well.

We hardly have any spinner to replace Ashwin in overseas conditions. When did experiment with replacing him with Jadeja similar to how Pakistan dropped Yasir in NZ but that didn't work out.

 

[Pete Rose]

Is this his first tour away?

 

[Statsman]

Is this his first tour away?

No. Toured Bangladesh before this and didn't perform well.

 

[Pete Rose]

No. Toured Bangladesh before this and didn't perform well.

Thats certainly a trend. He looked pretty good in England especially considering that he is a bit the deck hard type of bowler. Hopefully it's not a self confidence issue

 

[Robert]

A bowling average of 81.33 and batting average of 14 this series. 6 wickets and 180 runs.

Why is he in the side again?

A series of fine performances at home. This is all part of his learning curve. Woakiee is the obvious replacement for Anderson when he retires, who had five years of poor performance overseas.

But four seamers was too many for the last test, given the low number if overs they all bowled, and Woakes should have been the man to step down on that occasion.

 

[Robert]

No. Toured Bangladesh before this and didn't perform well.

Hmm. Took eight wickets in two tests, average 23.

 

[Convict]

And South Africa. However, those were all pretty flat pitches, it has to be said.

However, being outbowled by Moeen and Lyon is simply unforgivable.

Except as a touring off spinner his record in Australia is actually good.

Off spinners get murdered over here.

 

[Statsman]

Hmm. Took eight wickets in two tests, average 23.

Took just 3 wickets (all in one innings) across 2 tests as he hardly bowled. Just like Joe Root who averages 22.50 with the ball in the current series.

 

[Boom boom legend]

He is a decent player but nothing more. We just made him look better than he is just like Colin de Grandhomme.

 

[Statsman]

He also makes their team as a batsman alone. He's been asked to fill all sorts of holes recently which messes up a player's mindset. Once he's given a set position at #5, he'll start producing the goods more frequently. An important cog in England's team.

Agree. Plus he has been bowling enough to be allowed to bat in the lower middle order.

Woakes on the other hand is not sharing much of the bowling workload (16 overs (~ 8 per day) out of 182 vs 55 for Moeen in last game) and is still allowed to play as a tailender (survived 35 balls across 2 innings and hardly contributed with bat through the series). Moeen on the other hand has a 50 and a 100 which people conveniently forget.

Moeen Vs Woakes doesn't even look like an argument atm.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Yes, he's evolved into a test class bowler and will be a key bowler outside Asia. Having said that, to succeed in Asia, you need more than just conventional swing. That extra yard of pace, cutters or skill with the reversing ball. Woakes included, English seamers have pretty much wasted the old reversing ball.

 

[Bilal7]

Agree. Plus he has been bowling enough to be allowed to bat in the lower middle order.

Woakes on the other hand is not sharing much of the bowling workload (16 overs (~ 8 per day) out of 182 vs 55 for Moeen in last game) and is still allowed to play as a tailender (survived 35 balls across 2 innings and hardly contributed with bat through the series). Moeen on the other hand has a 50 and a 100 which people conveniently forget.

Moeen Vs Woakes doesn't even look like an argument atm.

Moeen is the better player but Woakes is important as well. He's at least as good a bowler as Finn is but he also promises 30 runs with the bat every other innings. He probably is surplus in India, I agree, but England will need him at home.

 

[Markhor]

Record with the Dukes ball:

11 Tests, 42 wickets at an average of 24.

Record without the Dukes ball:

8 Tests, 9 wickets at an average of 69.

 

[CricFan2012]

England were never going to win the ashes with this bowling line up where only Broad seems threatening, they need fast pacers,

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Record with the Dukes ball:

11 Tests, 42 wickets at an average of 24.

Record without the Dukes ball:

8 Tests, 9 wickets at an average of 69.

Feel like he is another case of being an ATG vs Pakistan.

He is in that select few category of players that we have a knack for making them look ATG material. That average of 24 with 42 wickets is also mostly because of us in the summer of 2016.

4 tests 26 wickets at an average of 16.7.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Record with the Dukes ball:

11 Tests, 42 wickets at an average of 24.

Record without the Dukes ball:

8 Tests, 9 wickets at an average of 69.

Inferior version of Anderson. I was laughing at all the hype he was getting against us.

 

[CricFan2012]

Feel like he is another case of being an ATG vs Pakistan.

He is in that select few category of players that we have a knack for making them look ATG material. That average of 24 with 42 wickets is also mostly because of us in the summer of 2016.

4 tests 26 wickets at an average of 16.7.

has an average of 25 in first class cricket after 130 games

 

[babajee]

has an average of 25 in first class cricket after 130 games

County cricket isn’t that different from our own domestics.

Amir was an ATG last summer.

 

[Robert]

Inferior version of Anderson. I was laughing at all the hype he was getting against us.

Jimmy can get wickets without orthodox swing while Woakes cannot at this stage. England really miss Wood and Stokes.