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Maliq_Mudasir said:
Pretty average player who was hyped to moon by some section of people. Good riddance.
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He is an actual finisher. Remember he finished the match against Afghanistan in 2019 in a pressure situation.

Whereas Babar’s “match winner” Nawaz bottled it against Zimbabwe in 2022.
 
SM1989 said:
He is an actual finisher. Remember he finished the match against Afghanistan in 2019 in a pressure situation.

Whereas Babar’s “match winner” Nawaz bottled it against Zimbabwe in 2022.
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So what should we do? Give him 'Sitar-e-Imtiaz' for the innings against minnows that too 5 years ago? Isn't the same thing Nawaz did against India? But does that one innings make him 'Best all rounder in the world' ? No it doesn't, and same goes for Imad.

I mean no matter how unjust the system has been for you, you always have option to prove them wrong by your performance, rather than being clown on the Tv show.
 
This was Junaid Khan (Islamabad Head Coach) being asked yesterday why Imad would not be playing in the Nat T20 Cup, before Imad's decision to retire from international cricket.

 
For me, as far as I think, Imad never wanted to play these domestic games. Maybe money is involved or whatever but he was never into these national tournaments. He was denied NOC from PCB as well I suppose so he chose to retire and make himself eligible to play t10.
 
MenInG said:
This was Junaid Khan (Islamabad Head Coach) being asked yesterday why Imad would not be playing in the Nat T20 Cup, before Imad's decision to retire from international cricket.

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Has Junaid retired from Cricket? How come he is a coach now?
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Nawaz replaced Imad when he was out of form.
But same replacement didn’t happen when Nawaz was going through a poor run of form and at the same time when Imad was also more than decent with the ball n bat in the league cricket it is an injustice to him.

Probably wahab asking him to play FC cricket to get selected in T20I 😂 and this is Imads response Lol
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Bro you know no one in pakistan gets selected based on domestic perfomance. In the last few years PSL has been the bench mark. If you want to be selected for tests play PSL.

Since Babar was given Power to select his squad he's stuck with the same 11 players for the past 4 years who have been undroppable regardless of perfomance.

Just look at current indian t20 squad playing Australia, virat kohli, rohit sharma and many others are not playing every single game or even looking at the newzealand squad that visited pakistan they had their main players rested

That's not the case with pakistan, every players has to play every single games even if he's out of form and not performing regardless if its australia we playing or nepal and its the reason why it's called friends xi because again and again same non performers have been selected with 0 perfomance and no one from domestic have been given a chance for the past 4 years

If you know your not going to be selected based on domestic performance and in imads case not going to be given a chance over the permanent squad at all why would you want to play domestic.

His last 4 years was the time to utilise him
But he's missed out on 2 worldcups due to friends xi

Being at the age of 34 he did the right thing opting for leagues, even if he plays till 40 he has good few years to secure his future.

I'm afraid if this continues more and more players will opt for leagues around the world rather than playing domestic
 
I hope that those who are gushing over Imad's ODI batting average of 41 know that this is because he had 17 not outs out of 55 games 🤣
 
Asad T said:
The 34-year-old spinning all-rounder has just announced his retirement from all forms of international cricket. It's a pity that he and Babar never got along; he would have been a good asset to the team compared to the other spinning all-rounders that we have. Another wasted talent that Pakistan cricket failed to properly groom.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1728062157043220633
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I liked him very much as a cricketer. His appearance was something that was energetic for his team on the field. He was well spoken , good looking smart cricketer who was deprived of a long successful career despite having all the ingredients to be a genuine all rounder. I wish him all the best.
 
My biggest concern is that more Pakistani cricketers will head towards the freelance route.

I hope we don't end up the West Indies way with many players refusing contracts and opting to prioritise T20 leagues over international duty.
 
Saj said:
My biggest concern is that more Pakistani cricketers will head towards the freelance route.

I hope we don't end up the West Indies way with many players refusing contracts and opting to prioritise T20 leagues over international duty.
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A major factor in this will be the way things were handled by the PCB management and captain between 2019-2023

Merit just didn’t seem to matter. You had to be in the good books of powerful individuals
 
emranabbas said:
Yes I think you forgot to check out the not out scores 🤣🤣

34* 49* 46* 50* 19* 47* 43* 25* 6* 16* 57* 63*

And your point is?
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Point is clear. Average has been boosted by Not Outs.

Anyways good riddance to an average player who always thought he was better than he actually was.
 
Rana said:
A major factor in this will be the way things were handled by the PCB management and captain between 2019-2023

Merit just didn’t seem to matter. You had to be in the good books of powerful individuals
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So your version of the truth is that Imad was not let in the team because he was not Babar's friend?
 
MenInG said:
So your version of the truth is that Imad was not let in the team because he was not Babar's friend?
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@MenInG I don't think their should even be any debate on this. It is clear as daylight that Babar preferred the likes of Nawaz and Shadab over Imad.

Imad even said to Saj in an interview that he won't play under the "current management" during Babar's time because of the way things were being run.
 
Way over-rated here and also overrates himself.
Useful player at his best. Could have been important in the next T20 world cup as it is played in the West Indies.

Not surprising that he has retired at the wrong time, he always takes the bad decisions.
 
Sher Khan said:
@MenInG I don't think their should even be any debate on this. It is clear as daylight that Babar preferred the likes of Nawaz and Shadab over Imad.

Imad even said to Saj in an interview that he won't play under the "current management" during Babar's time because of the way things were being run.
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You can doubt Babar's judgement but can you name me ONE captain who has not picked people HE likes?

Why do we assume that Babar had some sinister motives but Imad was an angel?

Let's celebrate Imad's career and also accept that he did not get enough chances but I will not accept that Babar kept Imad out of the team because he wanted Pakistan to fail.

In that sense, Imad joins a long line of players in Pakistan cricket who would have felt wronged.
 
Sher Khan said:
Imad even said to Saj in an interview that he won't play under the "current management" during Babar's time because of the way things were being run.
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So Babar should have been replaced to allow Imad to play?
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Point is clear. Average has been boosted by Not Outs.

Anyways good riddance to an average player who always thought he was better than he actually was.
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Without a doubt

Was Babar not recommended to take Imad Wasim to the World Cup? Did Babar comply?
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Point is clear. Average has been boosted by Not Outs.

Anyways good riddance to an average player who always thought he was better than he actually was.
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you clearly don't know how averages works.

Your point would have stood if his not out scores were under 41 but more than half of his scores are way above 41

Your point only would have made sense if majority of his score were under 41
 
I like spinners who actually spin the ball so Imad's darting indippers never appealed to me. Therefore his retirement isn't cause for great sorrow. But there's more than meets the eye.

1) Can anyone blame Imad being aggrieved at his WC exclusion when Shadab and Nawaz produced numbers over the last several months that'd make part-timers blush ?

Both were backed to the hilt by Babar, the most powerful PAK captain since Inzamam. Now either Babar's inept at selecting players or there's some truth to the dosti yaari claims.

2) There appeared to be a personality clash between Babar, and the outspoken Imad who's publicly criticised Babar's poor decisions and unimpactful batting.

3) Imad didn't help his cause. A contracted player undermining his captain on TV isn't something any side would tolerate. Look how ECB axed Kevin Pietersen after his scathing criticisms of his teammates. His fitness was also subpar.

On the surface, Imad has jumped the gun. Given his CPL experience, you'd think he's bound for the T20 World Cup. However my own speculation is perhaps Imad views the new captain Shaheen part of Babar's group and equally unlikely to reselect him. So he's seen the writing on the wall (and the vast paychecks available in T20 leagues) and called it a day.
 
MenInG said:
Where was that recommendation from?
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My understanding is that their was a committee made up of senior ex players who would make recommendations to the PCB.

They recommended PCB to include Abrar in the 15 man squad and perhaps consider Imad as well. But Babar was stubborn on the fact that only Nawaz and Shadab would be taken in the 15.
 
Sher Khan said:
My understanding is that their was a committee made up of senior ex players who would make recommendations to the PCB.

They recommended PCB to include Abrar in the 15 man squad and perhaps consider Imad as well. But Babar was stubborn on the fact that only Nawaz and Shadab would be taken in the 15.
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As was the Head Coach/Team Director.

Someone gave Babar the authority to override those recommendations. Maybe they need to be mentioned also.
 
Markhor said:
I like spinners who actually spin the ball so Imad's darting indippers never appealed to me. Therefore his retirement isn't cause for great sorrow. But there's more than meets the eye.

1) Can anyone blame Imad being aggrieved at his WC exclusion when Shadab and Nawaz produced numbers over the last several months that'd make part-timers blush ?

Both were backed to the hilt by Babar, the most powerful PAK captain since Inzamam. Now either Babar's inept at selecting players or there's some truth to the dosti yaari claims.

2) There appeared to be a personality clash between Babar, and the outspoken Imad who's publicly criticised Babar's poor decisions and unimpactful batting.

3) Imad didn't help his cause. A contracted player undermining his captain on TV isn't something any side would tolerate. Look how ECB axed Kevin Pietersen after his scathing criticisms of his teammates. His fitness was also subpar.

On the surface, Imad has jumped the gun. Given his CPL experience, you'd think he's bound for the T20 World Cup. However my own speculation is perhaps Imad views the new captain Shaheen part of Babar's group and equally unlikely to reselect him. So he's seen the writing on the wall (and the vast paychecks available in T20 leagues) and called it a day.
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You're right , Shaheen is the extension of the same Yari Dosti gang where merit, form and fitness has no consideration.
 
MenInG said:
As was the Head Coach/Team Director.

Someone gave Babar the authority to override those recommendations. Maybe they need to be mentioned also.
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Why couldn’t Babar see that the recommendations make sense?
 
Always sad when someone retires. Thank you for your services, Imad.

Time to move on. Hopefully we can find an even better allrounder than him IA.
 
Rana said:
Why couldn’t Babar see that the recommendations make sense?
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But we know he was a bad captain. There were others around him who could have stepped up if the issue was that serious?
 
MenInG said:
But we know he was a bad captain. There were others around him who could have stepped up if the issue was that serious?
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The PCB literally put out a press conference saying the captain and chief selector were given full authority to select the team.

So their are only two people we can blame in this scenario.
 
Sher Khan said:
The PCB literally put out a press conference saying the captain and chief selector were given full authority to select the team.

So their are only two people we can blame in this scenario.
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Yes, and that is why PCB were lampooned around the universe for throwing their captain and TD under the bus.

If the PCB cannot take decisions to look after Pakistan cricket then the whole management should resign.
 
shah_1 said:
Good luck to his future

We dropped him from T20 team for no reason after T20 world cup 2021.
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Getting money from central contract without playing domestic cricket. Both Amir, Imad should't be allowed in PSL.
 
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MenInG said:
Yes, and that is why PCB were lampooned around the universe for throwing their captain and TD under the bus.

If the PCB cannot take decisions to look after Pakistan cricket then the whole management should resign.
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Make what kind of decision having been appointed a month before the World Cup?

The whole world could see the Babar/Rizwan combination is not good enough to open in T20s…what tough decision did Ramiz Raja take after the T20 World Cup?

Babar was made to feel invincible by the Ramiz Raja board and then the Sethi board not willing to get their hands dirty. The fault doesn’t solely lie on the current board for not stepping in and taking drastic steps on the eve of two major tournaments.

If they had stepped in and done what was necessary, Babar was going to resign and possibly pull out of the World Cup.
 
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Shafi said:
Getting money from central contract without playing domestic cricket. Both Amir, Imad should't be allowed in PSL.
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How do you know that they have signed the central contract????
 
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deltexas said:
It's tough to just wanting to play t20 leagues and no domestic cricket and they play international games for pak. Plus being openly vile and nasty to your current team mates and captain on tv is never a good thing. Not sure what happened with him and babar as most recently imad played the April 2023 t20 series against nz under babar.. but if he is retired now, expect fireworks in the next psl between him and babar!
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Any nasty and vile comments that you could quote?
 
Rana said:
Make what kind of decision having been appointed a month before the World Cup?

The whole world could see the Babar/Rizwan combination is not good enough to open in T20s…what tough decision did Ramiz Raja take after the T20 World Cup?

Babar was made to feel invincible by the Ramiz Raja board and then the Sethi board not willing to get their hands dirty. The fault doesn’t solely lie on the current board for not stepping in and taking drastic steps on the eve of two major tournaments.

If they had stepped in and done what was necessary, Babar was going to resign and possibly pull out of the World Cup.
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Yes Babar the President of Pakistan ran Pakistan cricket.

Sorry I don't buy it.

Yes he had opinions but if someone REALLY wanted to challenge him, they would have.

That was under the auspices of Najam Sethi and Zaka Ashraf who can also take the blame for the World Cup fiasco.

Back to topic, Imad Wasim was not going to win the World Cup for us so no big loss him not being selected.

We wish Imad the best, but hanging his decision on Babar etc is not going to work.
 
A hasty decision.

But I have the feeling he wasn't going to be selected in T20 World Cup.

Shaheen is from Babar's group.

It makes sense to earn from T20 leagues when you are at your prime, rather than hope to play for Pakistan 7 months down the line and get the snub again.
 
When you are throwing a book at Imad, please try and do the same with other players as well. Treat them all equally!
 
Jabo said:
Meh

He was nothing special, I am sure he can be replaced easily without having to deal with his attitude.
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Unfortunately not. Imad was a genuine AR.

That cannot be said for Abrar, Nawaz, Mir, Asghar, Gohar or any other spinner that could feasibly replace him.

Imad Wasim is a loss on the pitch that’s for sure. But it’s obvious that his own attitude problems were to blame for his outcasting rather than Babar.
 
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topspin said:
I would also add:

Imad led by example with his selfless approach in his batting. That’s the kind of captain you need in the side, not ones who play for their milestones and averages.
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Imad was not an unselfish cricketer. You don’t rack up that many not outs without thinking about yourself.

Let’s not forget too quickly what he did to destroy Umer Khan’s career either.

Or on a smaller scale, how during last seasons PSL when 240+ scores were the norm he would choose not to bowl himself out.

He would walk into this Pakistan t20 side now with a bit of sacrifice and effort. But the idea of lowering himself to play domestic cricket was too much for a superstar like him to handle.

Imad is a gun t20 cricketer but the reality of life is where there is smoke there is fire. It has been known for years that he is not a particularly humble or gracious individual.

Babar may have mistreated him but Imad did plenty of damage to his career all by himself with his attitude problems. And now it is the fans who are paying the biggest price.
 
I think even if he was an average player he was better than the other average players that played over him. He could have made himself available for the next WC. Looks like he demanded something which the board didn't agree and he had a fallout.
 
Rana said:
Even when you would like him to probably just stay not out lol
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What some posters are not understanding is the dire talent available in the country. The next best option is Nawaz right now and we all know where he stands.
People are criticizing Imad’s lack of wickets, but what they are not understanding is that Imad is a full-time batter who can bat in the top 5 and deliver economical spells. His batting is actually more compact than Ifti’s and comparable to Rizwan’s. The bowling is the bonus here.
 
Someone enlighten me on what the big deal is? It's Imad Wasim for crying out loud.

I certainly did not expect this thread to have this many posts, people really do have something to say about him I guess.

I expected this thread and his retirement announcement to have maybe as many reactions as a single page but that's about it really.

It's Imad Wasim guys, relax.
 
hitthestump said:
Imad was not an unselfish cricketer. You don’t rack up that many not outs without thinking about yourself.
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You've just come up with a lie without looking into each one of his innings. Unlike yourself, I've extensively followed every ODI and T20I innings of his and he never put milestones/averages ahead of the best interests of the team. Not even once. He doesn't have the same mindset as Misbah, Babar, Rizwan and Imam. He actually stood up against their brand of cricket.

hitthestump said:
Let’s not forget too quickly what he did to destroy Umer Khan’s career either.
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He was the captain who gave Umer Khan a chance in the first place but he failed. Imad didn't do anything to destroy his career in any way. He just wasn't good enough.

hitthestump said:
Imad is a gun t20 cricketer but the reality of life is where there is smoke there is fire. It has been known for years that he is not a particularly humble or gracious individual.

Babar may have mistreated him but Imad did plenty of damage to his career all by himself with his attitude problems. And now it is the fans who are paying the biggest price.
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It's not a case of may have mistreated him, he certainly mistreated him. You're bias is showing here.

I don't know how long you've been watching Pakistan cricket but when I began watching them, no one cared about how "humble or gracious" one was. The team had swag and was full of alpha males who could impose their presence on the opposition. Major teams used to fear Pakistan but ever since Misbah became captain, they now mock us.

What we've witnessed during the Babar era, is a bunch of timid kittens led by a meek captain milestone.

You have to be pretty naive to buy into someone's persona and character based on what you see on camera. You have no idea what they're like in real life but in Babar's case, the true colours do come out. He's been in scandals and we all know there's no smoke without fire, so cut out this good boy image of his.

I do agree with you that fans are paying the biggest price. But it's not just the fans. Babar has suffered the most. Imad was badly missed in the World Cup. He was good enough to make the team as a batsman. He's exactly the kind of player you want against Afghanistan and England.

Without him in the last World Cup, Pakistan would've been well beaten by Afghanistan. He's also got a terrific record with the bat against England. He was in the best batting form of his life and would've enjoyed batting in these conditions. His absence could've been the difference between a group stage exit and a place in the semis.

The bottom line is when I look at the failures of Babar, Nawaz and Pakistan as a whole during the World Cup - for me that's divine justice. It's what the Pakistan team deserve for how they've treated players like Imad.
 
Imad's skills were badly missed in this WC. His economy would have been priceless when the rest of our bowlers were going for 80+ every game. He would have added much needed batting firepower down the order. There is no doubt that on paper he should have been selected and the whole of Pakistan knew his absence was for non-cricketing reasons.

However any sympathy i had for him went out of the window firstly when he started running his mouth on TV, then suddenly declared his retirement simply to spite the management. When a man possesses this level of decision making ability in public....you can put the pieces together as to why he found himself in this position in the first place.

It's obvious why Babar sidelined him and that's because he is a toxic influence in the dressing room. Those alpha males you mentioned achieved nothing except India bashing because none of them could get along. Just one rotten egg can be enough to contaminate others and everything falls apart. Babar knew he was not capable of handing Imad and didn't want to risk having him around the side therefore chose to sideline him for an inferior player in Nawaz.

A stronger captain would have handled this differently and that should be argued. But what i don't want to see is people re-write history to say that Imad was some selfless, gold hearted individual who fell unfortunate victim to the Babar Autocracy. Imad is to blame for his own shortcomings just like Amir is.

And ultimately it's Babar who is still there for Pakistan while Imad runs away sulking with his reputation and character now in tatters.
 
topspin said:
I like the fact that he wrote this himself.

Babar will get someone to write it for him in perfect English.
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Babar is a cricketer not a school teacher. Babar h
topspin said:
You've just come up with a lie without looking into each one of his innings. Unlike yourself, I've extensively followed every ODI and T20I innings of his and he never put milestones/averages ahead of the best interests of the team. Not even once. He doesn't have the same mindset as Misbah, Babar, Rizwan and Imam. He actually stood up against their brand of cricket.



He was the captain who gave Umer Khan a chance in the first place but he failed. Imad didn't do anything to destroy his career in any way. He just wasn't good enough.



It's not a case of may have mistreated him, he certainly mistreated him. You're bias is showing here.

I don't know how long you've been watching Pakistan cricket but when I began watching them, no one cared about how "humble or gracious" one was. The team had swag and was full of alpha males who could impose their presence on the opposition. Major teams used to fear Pakistan but ever since Misbah became captain, they now mock us.

What we've witnessed during the Babar era, is a bunch of timid kittens led by a meek captain milestone.

You have to be pretty naive to buy into someone's persona and character based on what you see on camera. You have no idea what they're like in real life but in Babar's case, the true colours do come out. He's been in scandals and we all know there's no smoke without fire, so cut out this good boy image of his.

I do agree with you that fans are paying the biggest price. But it's not just the fans. Babar has suffered the most. Imad was badly missed in the World Cup. He was good enough to make the team as a batsman. He's exactly the kind of player you want against Afghanistan and England.

Without him in the last World Cup, Pakistan would've been well beaten by Afghanistan. He's also got a terrific record with the bat against England. He was in the best batting form of his life and would've enjoyed batting in these conditions. His absence could've been the difference between a group stage exit and a place in the semis.

The bottom line is when I look at the failures of Babar, Nawaz and Pakistan as a whole during the World Cup - for me that's divine justice. It's what the Pakistan team deserve for how they've treated players like Imad.
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Lol at Imad would have got us to semi's. Imad is a poor cricketer in every sense, rubbish bowler, awful fielder and a decent no 8. The only innings which his supporters remember is the knock against Afghanistan. I mean a career of 6 odd years and that's his highlight. Be fitting for a below average cricketer.
 
LegendAli said:
Someone enlighten me on what the big deal is? It's Imad Wasim for crying out loud.

I certainly did not expect this thread to have this many posts, people really do have something to say about him I guess.

I expected this thread and his retirement announcement to have maybe as many reactions as a single page but that's about it really.

It's Imad Wasim guys, relax.
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And a waste of talent. A lot of investment goes into
hitthestump said:
Imad's skills were badly missed in this WC. His economy would have been priceless when the rest of our bowlers were going for 80+ every game. He would have added much needed batting firepower down the order. There is no doubt that on paper he should have been selected and the whole of Pakistan knew his absence was for non-cricketing reasons.

However any sympathy i had for him went out of the window firstly when he started running his mouth on TV, then suddenly declared his retirement simply to spite the management. When a man possesses this level of decision making ability in public....you can put the pieces together as to why he found himself in this position in the first place.

It's obvious why Babar sidelined him and that's because he is a toxic influence in the dressing room. Those alpha males you mentioned achieved nothing except India bashing because none of them could get along. Just one rotten egg can be enough to contaminate others and everything falls apart. Babar knew he was not capable of handing Imad and didn't want to risk having him around the side therefore chose to sideline him for an inferior player in Nawaz.

A stronger captain would have handled this differently and that should be argued. But what i don't want to see is people re-write history to say that Imad was some selfless, gold hearted individual who fell unfortunate victim to the Babar Autocracy. Imad is to blame for his own shortcomings just like Amir is.

And ultimately it's Babar who is still there for Pakistan while Imad runs away sulking with his reputation and character now in tatters.
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Mostly an irrelevant angle.
It doesn’t matter whose fault it is, the loss is Pakistan cricket’s, yours and mine.

I don’t know about you but I LOVE winning and there is no better high than seeing your team do well in the T20’world cup in the U.S. and WI. It’s a huge loss to miss both Amir and Imad as they are match winners with loads of experience.
The rest is mostly a distraction from what we need to do to win.. and win big!
 
topspin said:
You've just come up with a lie without looking into each one of his innings. Unlike yourself, I've extensively followed every ODI and T20I innings of his and he never put milestones/averages ahead of the best interests of the team. Not even once. He doesn't have the same mindset as Misbah, Babar, Rizwan and Imam. He actually stood up against their brand of cricket.



He was the captain who gave Umer Khan a chance in the first place but he failed. Imad didn't do anything to destroy his career in any way. He just wasn't good enough.



It's not a case of may have mistreated him, he certainly mistreated him. You're bias is showing here.

I don't know how long you've been watching Pakistan cricket but when I began watching them, no one cared about how "humble or gracious" one was. The team had swag and was full of alpha males who could impose their presence on the opposition. Major teams used to fear Pakistan but ever since Misbah became captain, they now mock us.

What we've witnessed during the Babar era, is a bunch of timid kittens led by a meek captain milestone.

You have to be pretty naive to buy into someone's persona and character based on what you see on camera. You have no idea what they're like in real life but in Babar's case, the true colours do come out. He's been in scandals and we all know there's no smoke without fire, so cut out this good boy image of his.

I do agree with you that fans are paying the biggest price. But it's not just the fans. Babar has suffered the most. Imad was badly missed in the World Cup. He was good enough to make the team as a batsman. He's exactly the kind of player you want against Afghanistan and England.

Without him in the last World Cup, Pakistan would've been well beaten by Afghanistan. He's also got a terrific record with the bat against England. He was in the best batting form of his life and would've enjoyed batting in these conditions. His absence could've been the difference between a group stage exit and a place in the semis.

The bottom line is when I look at the failures of Babar, Nawaz and Pakistan as a whole during the World Cup - for me that's divine justice. It's what the Pakistan team deserve for how they've treated players like Imad.
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Well done for setting the record straight for so called know it alls

“Rizwan doesn’t need Category A

Category A needs Rizwan”
 
Farabi said:
And a waste of talent. A lot of investment goes into

Mostly an irrelevant angle.
It doesn’t matter whose fault it is, the loss is Pakistan cricket’s, yours and mine.

I don’t know about you but I LOVE winning and there is no better high than seeing your team do well in the T20’world cup in the U.S. and WI. It’s a huge loss to miss both Amir and Imad as they are match winners with loads of experience.
The rest is mostly a distraction from what we need to do to win.. and win big!
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It's interesting that the 90's team was mentioned as an example.

They are a great example of what can happen in a rotten dressing room. Morale, unity and effort disappears. Our golden generation of cricketers not only has precious little to show for it, but they also routinely embarassed themselves with horrible performances which in no way reflected their ability.

Yes, a better captain might have been able to reintroduce Amir and Imad into the group and keep them in check. But we're talking Imran Khan levels of man management here. Babar is not that guy, he never will be. And that is his shortcoming.

But it is mainly Imad and Amir's responsibility for:
a) bringing attitude issues in the first place
b) refusing to believe that they might be the problem
c) talking too much in the wrong places
d) running away like the cowards they are
 
Rana said:
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Well done for setting the record straight for so called know it alls

“Rizwan doesn’t need Category A

Category A needs Rizwan”
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I can’t believe he has the audacity to call out Imad as as if he’s another stat padder/milestone chaser like Misbah/Babar/Rizwan/Imam have done.

The irony of all this is, it’s his beloved Rizwan who demanded Imad to give him the strike so he could reach his milestone.

Imad’s haters are finding new ways to come up to fuel their agenda against him.

It’s funny how soft the new gen of Pakistan fans have become. They’ve become so accustomed to seeing soft players holding each others’ nuts, they don’t tolerate anyone who questions their credibility, whether it be Imad or fans like us.

They’ve become so blinded by the good boy image they see from the likes of Babar, Rizwan and Shadab, all their scandals have been forgotten as if they never happened.
 
topspin said:
I can’t believe he has the audacity to call out Imad as as if he’s another stat padder/milestone chaser like Misbah/Babar/Rizwan/Imam have done.

The irony of all this is, it’s his beloved Rizwan who demanded Imad to give him the strike so he could reach his milestone.

Imad’s haters are finding new ways to come up to fuel their agenda against him.

It’s funny how soft the new gen of Pakistan fans have become. They’ve become so accustomed to seeing soft players holding each others’ nuts, they don’t tolerate anyone who questions their credibility, whether it be Imad or fans like us.

They’ve become so blinded by the good boy image they see from the likes of Babar, Rizwan and Shadab, all their scandals have been forgotten as if they never happened.
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Not surprised at all with this guy. Absolute nonsense that is intensifying by the day.

I don’t get his argument? So you are not allowed to have a personal, strong opinion if you want to be a great/respected cricketer in the world? Like what does he want Imad or others to do? Not have a personal ego? Who is anyone in this world to tell anyone to behave in a particular way?

There are set standards of behaviour that you must adhere to as a professional cricketer…what exactly does Imad do that doesn’t fit that standard? Does this bloke live and work in the Pakistan dressing room?

Am I allowed to just say here that Rizwan in my opinion is the most toxic/divisive individual in the Pakistan dressing room? I see from TV that he likes to form groups and alliances with the top brass of the management…who’s opinion on who is correct here?
 
hitthestump said:
But it is mainly Imad and Amir's responsibility for:
a) bringing attitude issues in the first place
b) refusing to believe that they might be the problem
c) talking too much in the wrong places
d) running away like the cowards they are
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More and more nonsense

What are you on about? Where is your proof for all of this horse…?
 
topspin said:
As you say this guy thinks he’s a know it all.

I’ll never forget when he was on his high horse as if he’s some messiah of PP when he was coming up with “it’s like teaching a 10 year calculus”. In response I forewarned him about what was going to come.

He’s been humbled but he’s still trying to find a coping mechanism in the way he’s trying to justify Babar’s mistreatment towards Imad.

Your beloved Babar and Rizwan have failed to take the the best interests of Pakistan cricket let alone play well but even after being humbled, he’s still talking garbage like a trash can analyst.
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I'm disappointed to read this from you as you are an intelligent poster. I have no issue disagreeing with you but you are a grown up, and grown ups form arguments respectfully than resorting to insult people.

You are much better than this because i have read plenty of your posts and think your analysis is often good.

I don't care if you do want to act childish just FYI. Maybe it's an outlet for you. But i enjoy having reasoned discussions with people who love cricket just like i do.
 
All of this could have been handled better

PCB could have taken Imad's central contract away from him and told him to skip national t20 and play in as many t20 leagues as he wishes. If he does well, come the t20 World Cup, he would be considered for selection. No need to retire. See how New Zealand is handling the Trent Boult situation

We have lost Imad
Amir
Sharjeel as Hafeez wouldn't allow him to play
Fakhar as he wouldn't get to open
Azam as he is overweight
Add 1-2 players who would be injured

Cmon now. We need to win the t20 WC. We cant with this childish behavior and clash of egos. We need our best players available

Just look at the West Indies. Though they have talent in abundance, forced players to play domestic competitions or wont be considered for national selection
What happened?
Won in 2016, came second last in Super 12 in 2021, didn't even make it to Super 12 in 2022
 
Not just Imad is a world class allrounder in T20 but with his retirement , Pakistan team lost one of the very few Pakistani players who can perform under pressure .
 
saqib.rai said:
All of this could have been handled better

PCB could have taken Imad's central contract away from him and told him to skip national t20 and play in as many t20 leagues as he wishes. If he does well, come the t20 World Cup, he would be considered for selection. No need to retire. See how New Zealand is handling the Trent Boult situation

We have lost Imad
Amir
Sharjeel as Hafeez wouldn't allow him to play
Fakhar as he wouldn't get to open
Azam as he is overweight
Add 1-2 players who would be injured

Cmon now. We need to win the t20 WC. We cant with this childish behavior and clash of egos. We need our best players available

Just look at the West Indies. Though they have talent in abundance, forced players to play domestic competitions or wont be considered for national selection
What happened?
Won in 2016, came second last in Super 12 in 2021, didn't even make it to Super 12 in 2022
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And not siding with the players I have mentioned but the larger point being that

Yesterday it was Amir
Today it is Imad
Tomorrow it will be Haris Rauf
Then Shadab

We don't have talent in abundance as many people believe
In my 20 years of watching cricket, I have not seen a decent Pakistani fast bowling all rounder in test cricket

Abdullah is the first decent test opener after Saeed Anwar. Took us 20 years

We need everyone available come the annual ICC tournament. How hard can this be for people to understand?
 
hitthestump said:
It's interesting that the 90's team was mentioned as an example.

They are a great example of what can happen in a rotten dressing room. Morale, unity and effort disappears. Our golden generation of cricketers not only has precious little to show for it, but they also routinely embarassed themselves with horrible performances which in no way reflected their ability.

Yes, a better captain might have been able to reintroduce Amir and Imad into the group and keep them in check. But we're talking Imran Khan levels of man management here. Babar is not that guy, he never will be. And that is his shortcoming.

But it is mainly Imad and Amir's responsibility for:
a) bringing attitude issues in the first place
b) refusing to believe that they might be the problem
c) talking too much in the wrong places
d) running away like the cowards they are
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Again a, b, c and d are irrelevant. What matters is winning and how to get there. The rest of the discussion should be on making it possible.
 
It is clearly a reaction of PCB current policy of not allowing contracted players in league. He must have not signed contract and be available for Pakistan. But he chose not to do it as he may not again play any domestic cricket. Everyone has a right to choose best for him and his family but hypocrisy starts when they sit on tv and lectures about their patriotism and love for country and sacrifices they did and disbelief on domestic circuit. His bestie amir have a heart to lecture about patriotism and playing for country sitting on TV while smirking
 
Apparently, PCB & many former & few current players have happily acknowledged Imad's retirement decision. I thought PCB will ask him to take back his decision
 
The longer Imad has stayed out of the team, the better he has become. This is what happens to Pakistani players - when they are not playing their stock is always rising because those who are injured or not playing are always better than the ones who are playing.

This is our classic coping mechanism because we refuse to accept that we are simply not good enough and we don’t have what it takes.

Watch Shadab become a world class all-rounder too after spending two years away from the team and he would have done better than XYZ players.

If Imad stayed in the team, the same fans would be calling for his head now and asking him to be replaced with someone like Nawaz because of the narrative that Nawaz is a more conventional SLA and would therefore be more effective.

Imad with his gun-barrel straight bowling would have done nothing in this World Cup. Nothing. Could he have scored more runs than Nawaz? Maybe, but not enough to turn around Pakistan’s fortunes.

When a player spends time out of the team, people will forget their awful performances and only remember the few good moments so as a Pakistani player if you want to become better in the eyes of the fans, just don’t play because they moment you start playing, the reality comes to the fore.
 
Caved12 said:
Rizwan is a great human being! I love him to death! He is the only one from PCT who is worried about this situation and wants him back. I salute you Rizwan :salute
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Why is he worried now?

Because the decline that began with the unjust ousting of Sarfaraz, and Rizwan’s hogging of the opening spot is the reason?

He doesn’t want to be remembered in history as the reason why Pakistan cricket basically killed itself?
 
daytrader said:
T20I retirement doesn't make any sense. Guess he wants to play victim for the rest of his life
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Exactly. It's a loser mentality.

Things didn't go my way? Well, let me cry about it and then run off sulking. On the way out i'll throw some insults over to Babar on TV to teach him!!

All Imad had to do instead was grit his teeth and play the national t20 tournament like everyone else who is trying to play for their country. He would have dominated in this pathetic standard and secured his spot. Job done.

He could even have got some sweet retribution in the WC by letting his skills do the rest of the talking for him.

Bur sadly Imad Wasim has the same problem as Amir - entitlement. Both are talented cricketers but having their egos massaged supersedes everything else.

Good luck playing your leagues brother. When you cry victim for the rest of your life i hope one day you'll realise you did it to yourself.
 
The public perception is that Babar blocked his team selection, but Babar has gone and its time to show why you should have been picked and throw back in Babars face
 
hitthestump said:
Exactly. It's a loser mentality.

Things didn't go my way? Well, let me cry about it and then run off sulking. On the way out i'll throw some insults over to Babar on TV to teach him!!

All Imad had to do instead was grit his teeth and play the national t20 tournament like everyone else who is trying to play for their country. He would have dominated in this pathetic standard and secured his spot. Job done.

He could even have got some sweet retribution in the WC by letting his skills do the rest of the talking for him.

Bur sadly Imad Wasim has the same problem as Amir - entitlement. Both are talented cricketers but having their egos massaged supersedes everything else.

Good luck playing your leagues brother. When you cry victim for the rest of your life i hope one day you'll realise you did it to yourself.
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Why are we assuming he ran off crying?

He probably sees better earning chances away from Pak cricket
 
daytrader said:
T20I retirement doesn't make any sense. Guess he wants to play victim for the rest of his life
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Victim as in?

The guy will be making a fortune until he retires. He can play in league after league, not have to worry about whether he will be picked for Pakistan, or whether he will get an NOC.

It's win, win for any player in this situation.

I'm not quite sure where you get your victim theory from.
 
Rana said:
More and more nonsense

What are you on about? Where is your proof for all of this horse…?
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Aussie BBL side, CPL, and many more don’t seem to care. Imad seems to fit in and perform well there. They just cant fit in Pak cricket.
 
So Imad’s international career was lost and Pakistan lost multiple crucial games on account of that BUM Nawaz?
 
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