[VIDEOS] Is Babar Azam the best all format batter in the world currently?

[Ab Fan]

A poor man's Amla in Test cricket. He has just given a sniff for New Zealand to win this game.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Again, proving my point right. The pitch and the bowlers have nothing in it for him to have not saved 1 test in the last 4. Even this one he has left for the likes of Said Shakeel, Imam and Sarfaraz, the same players you called poor support crew.

These are not he performances of one of the best players in the world.

The pitch and bowlers have nothing in it but look at the lead and situation once again they were 82/3. Expecting him to score 200+ every inning here just because Pakistan's top order can't even add 100 runs without losing 3 wickets.

 

[MHN1293]

This is just embarrassing batting from Babar,

@ My Boi Mobashir.

Barbar is turning into a poor batsmen..

He isn't a poor batsmen. The expectations and hype is just too much

 

[pratiktc]

Another crunch situation and Babar brings his bottle.

Great players take ownership of moments in matches and series impacting results. Babar simply doesn't do it as often as you'd expect from a great.

 

[Sidilicious]

The pitch and bowlers have nothing in it but look at the lead and situation once again they were 82/3. Expecting him to score 200+ every inning here just because Pakistan's top order can't even add 100 runs without losing 3 wickets.

Bhai, please read all my replies above to your comments.

1. I haven't asked him to score 200+ or save every tests. On such flat pattas and average spinners he can play at least 1 innings to save the test. For example in the first innings, he got out, when he could have marched on, scored a 250, gotten Pakistan to 600, instead getting out first thing in the morning.

2. Today, he didn't need to score a 100. Just bat till lunch, and another hour or so after lunch. Even a solid 40-50 here would have been sufficient.

3. On most of his 8 innings Babar has gotten when playing with the top or middle order. So he had enough support. That excuse will not fly any longer.

 

[Romali_rotti]

He isn't a poor batsmen. The expectations and hype is just too much

I was using my Boi Mobashir's logic.


Lol

 

[charlie007]

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

Classic Babar. Score in the first innings but get outclassed by an opposition batsman, & then bat like a tailender in the second innings when Pakistan needs to him to win or save a Test.

Don’t bother about Mobashir, he’s hiding his face somewhere. He’ll be back when Babar scores more soft runs against where every Tom, Dick, and Harry scores a hundred….errrr let’s take Harry out, Harry scores tons in any situation.

 

[charlie007]

The pitch and bowlers have nothing in it but look at the lead and situation once again they were 82/3. Expecting him to score 200+ every inning here just because Pakistan's top order can't even add 100 runs without losing 3 wickets.

So you’re saying your boi can only score when there’s no pressure and consistently bottles it at minimal pressure situation. Or are you saying your team’s batters suck? Or is it both?

Or are you being forced to defend Babar with your hands tied behind your back? I feel sorry for you… sometimes.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So you’re saying your boi can only score when there’s no pressure and consistently bottles it at minimal pressure situation. Or are you saying your team’s batters suck? Or is it both?

Or are you being forced to defend Babar with your hands tied behind your back? I feel sorry for you… sometimes.

Feel sorry for yourself because even after telling you multiple times that I am not a Pakistani you are continuously failing to understand. I don't reply to trolls like you who can't stay in their pyjamas and try to get personal. If you don't like my opinion it is ok but don't cross the limits here otherwise you will get replies in the same tone you are dishing out here.

 

[riddu]

copy of amla

 

[Mamoon]

Babar is a product of artificially created fan hype. A product of fan desperation.

Pakistan has zero talent & after years of seeing jokers masquerade as batsman, Pakistan finally produced a very good batsman & naturally, the fans couldn’t contain themselves.

The reality is that Babar is no better or worse than players like Agarwal, Iyer, Rahul, Samson etc. They are in the same league.

The only difference is that while they had to compete with Kohli, Rohit, Pujara & Dhawan for a place in the team & for the spotlight, Babar’s competition was Malik, Hafeez, Shehzad, Umar Akmal & other rubbish players.

This is why Babar became a golden boy of Pakistan cricket overnight. The negative outcome was that he drew unnecessary comparisons with Kohli & other vastly superior players.

The gap between Babar’s actually ability & what the fans expect from him & the image they have in their heads became bigger & bigger.

Babar is getting criticized a lot for his recent performances, but the reality is that he has performed extremely well for a B grade batsman.

The issue is that his fans expect him to perform like prime Kohli & Smith but he is not in their class. It is not his fault or his problem.

If you expect a crow to fly like a falcon there is no point in blaming the crow. Babar is doing his best & he is doing really well in his capacity.

If Babar was India, he would not even have played 50% of the matches he has played for Pakistan, he would not be captain & he would not have high rankings & a lot of hype just like the other B grade Indian batsmen do not.

Agarwal scored a 200 & a 100 against a full-strength South African attack in 2019 & he was dropped two series later.

If Babar scores a 200 against Rabada, Philander & Maharaj he would milk it for the rest of his career. In India, no one talks about 200s & 300s after two days. This is why one should never Pakistani & Indian batsmen. It is a completely different world.

India produces 2-3 batsmen like Babar every generation.

 

[ArabKnight]

Babar is a product of artificially created fan hype. A product of fan desperation.

Pakistan has zero talent & after years of seeing jokers masquerade as batsman, Pakistan finally produced a very good batsman & naturally, the fans couldn’t contain themselves.

The reality is that Babar is no better or worse than players like Agarwal, Iyer, Rahul, Samson etc. They are in the same league.

The only difference is that while they had to compete with Kohli, Rohit, Pujara & Dhawan for a place in the team & for the spotlight, Babar’s competition was Malik, Hafeez, Shehzad, Umar Akmal & other rubbish players.

This is why Babar became a golden boy of Pakistan cricket overnight. The negative outcome was that he drew unnecessary comparisons with Kohli & other vastly superior players.

The gap between Babar’s actually ability & what the fans expect from him & the image they have in their heads became bigger & bigger.

Babar is getting criticized a lot for his recent performances, but the reality is that he has performed extremely well for a B grade batsman.

The issue is that his fans expect him to perform like prime Kohli & Smith but he is not in their class. It is not his fault or his problem.

If you expect a crow to fly like a falcon there is no point in blaming the crow. Babar is doing his best & he is doing really well in his capacity.

If Babar was India, he would not even have played 50% of the matches he has played for Pakistan, he would not be captain & he would not have high rankings & a lot of hype just like the other B grade Indian batsmen do not.

Agarwal scored a 200 & a 100 against a full-strength South African attack in 2019 & he was dropped two series later.

If Babar scores a 200 against Rabada, Philander & Maharaj he would milk it for the rest of his career. In India, no one talks about 200s & 300s after two days. This is why one should never Pakistani & Indian batsmen. It is a completely different world.

India produces 2-3 batsmen like Babar every generation.

It’s rather strategic batting by Babar as well.

Scoring runs and runs without any regard for the team.

I think the game plan by Babar is to go out and score a 100 off 95 balls in ODIs or a 50 off 48 balls in T20Is and call it A DAY.

It is blatant stat padding and nothing more. It feels shameful to admit it. Babar milks meaningless runs but doesn’t play according to the game. It is a bizarre thing honestly.

 

[mastermind_quad]

Babar is not a bad batman and one of the most consistent batsman across the format but due to fans hyping him to the moon makes him look bad whenever he doesn't perform upto the expectation. Not his fault but fans need to control emotions.

 

[shortbread]

Isn't Babar like what tendulkar was for India in the 90s, perhaps the worlds best leading solitary battles in losing causes.

 

[kumjsr]

Isn't Babar like what tendulkar was for India in the 90s, perhaps the worlds best leading solitary battles in losing causes.

At home?

 

[Tabishbeigh]

Said it many times, babar scores soft runs much like kallis did. It’s blasphemous to draw comparisons with Kohli. The only substantial innings of his , in over 5 years,is that 196 on dying track and perhaps that 70 in England.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Isn't Babar like what tendulkar was for India in the 90s, perhaps the worlds best leading solitary battles in losing causes.

Tendulkar averaged close to 57 by the end of the 90s and led India to many victories at home. Outside India he was a champ batsman who made a ton of runs in several countries. IIRC he made at least one century in his first tour to SA, England, Australia (148*), and the great WI (179). Doing so, he bossed some of the greatest bowlers of all times. And no, India didn’t lose even one of those away tests where he made those centuries. Does that sound like Babar to you?

 

[Gilly]

Just enjoy Babar while he is playing and save the melodramatics for when he is retired.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

This is the ultimate stats padder

Just enjoy Babar while he is playing and save the melodramatics for when he is retired.

Enjoy what?. He scores cheap runs with little matchwinning contributions when it matters. Worse, he initiates collapses where he should be laying a foundation and consolidating

 

[Gilly]

Enjoy what?. He scores cheap runs with little matchwinning contributions when it matters. Worse, he initiates collapses where he should be laying a foundation and consolidating

You can't decide that a batsman is going to win games and then expect that. A batsman will just go out and bat as good as he can. If you have a match winning batsman to replace him then fair enough but at the moment he is the best Pakistan have.

 

[MenInG]

Babar Azam - one of the nominees for the Sir Garfield Sobers Trophy for the ICC Player of the Year

 

[ex-q-zit]

The pitch and bowlers have nothing in it but look at the lead and situation once again they were 82/3. Expecting him to score 200+ every inning here just because Pakistan's top order can't even add 100 runs without losing 3 wickets.

Pakistan didn't need him to score 200+. Even a 100 ball 50 would have been suffiecient. Babar is poor when it comes to 2nd innings and especially when its about saving the match.

 

[charlie007]

Feel sorry for yourself because even after telling you multiple times that I am not a Pakistani you are continuously failing to understand. I don't reply to trolls like you who can't stay in their pyjamas and try to get personal. If you don't like my opinion it is ok but don't cross the limits here otherwise you will get replies in the same tone you are dishing out here.

You're feeling guilty, not sure why - I meant you're a supporter of the Pakistani team and Babar Azam, and there's nothing wrong in that, is there? So why are you getting defensive then? Also, tell me how and where did I get personal? I am arguing well within reason, while presenting facts, and I don't get personal, so don't cook up stuff just because it makes you uncomfortable.
Never doubted Babar's batting credentials under favorable circumstances - he's a fine batsman with his own limitations and I feel his performance provides a fair indication of where I rate him. Lofting him with superlatives like best in the world and the all-conqueror will only result in bringing his limitations to the front by all who don't consider him that.

 

[shamaan]

This guy won't make it to the top 10 Pakistani Test batsman, and top 20 Asian Test batsman ever.

Thiers only 3 great pakistan batters

Miadad
Younis
Inzy.

 

[Sidilicious]

Thiers only 3 great pakistan batters

Miadad
Younis
Inzy.

Babar will definitely be the 4th. But he will not surpass Miandad. Doesn’t have the mental grit yet. But that is a skill that can be developed.

He doesn’t have the cricketing intelligence, which I doubt he will learn.

He had the game to surpass Miandad, but won’t due to the above reasons.

 

[Ahmed216]

Babar is a product of artificially created fan hype. A product of fan desperation.

Pakistan has zero talent & after years of seeing jokers masquerade as batsman, Pakistan finally produced a very good batsman & naturally, the fans couldn’t contain themselves.

The reality is that Babar is no better or worse than players like Agarwal, Iyer, Rahul, Samson etc. They are in the same league.

The only difference is that while they had to compete with Kohli, Rohit, Pujara & Dhawan for a place in the team & for the spotlight, Babar’s competition was Malik, Hafeez, Shehzad, Umar Akmal & other rubbish players.

This is why Babar became a golden boy of Pakistan cricket overnight. The negative outcome was that he drew unnecessary comparisons with Kohli & other vastly superior players.

The gap between Babar’s actually ability & what the fans expect from him & the image they have in their heads became bigger & bigger.

Babar is getting criticized a lot for his recent performances, but the reality is that he has performed extremely well for a B grade batsman.

The issue is that his fans expect him to perform like prime Kohli & Smith but he is not in their class. It is not his fault or his problem.

If you expect a crow to fly like a falcon there is no point in blaming the crow. Babar is doing his best & he is doing really well in his capacity.

If Babar was India, he would not even have played 50% of the matches he has played for Pakistan, he would not be captain & he would not have high rankings & a lot of hype just like the other B grade Indian batsmen do not.

Agarwal scored a 200 & a 100 against a full-strength South African attack in 2019 & he was dropped two series later.

If Babar scores a 200 against Rabada, Philander & Maharaj he would milk it for the rest of his career. In India, no one talks about 200s & 300s after two days. This is why one should never Pakistani & Indian batsmen. It is a completely different world.

India produces 2-3 batsmen like Babar every generation.

Babar is a fabulous batsman. Only a couple of series back he played an outstanding 4th innings knock against Australia. He scored a magnificent ton on a Turner in SL to win the game. He averaged 70 this year. Problem with few posters is that they have different standards for different players.
You trying to convince us that he is on par with deadwood like Rahul shows you can't be taken seriously

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So you’re saying your boi can only score when there’s no pressure and consistently bottles it at minimal pressure situation. Or are you saying your team’s batters suck? Or is it both?

Or are you being forced to defend Babar with your hands tied behind your back? I feel sorry for you… sometimes.

You're feeling guilty, not sure why - I meant you're a supporter of the Pakistani team and Babar Azam, and there's nothing wrong in that, is there? So why are you getting defensive then? Also, tell me how and where did I get personal? I am arguing well within reason, while presenting facts, and I don't get personal, so don't cook up stuff just because it makes you uncomfortable.
Never doubted Babar's batting credentials under favorable circumstances - he's a fine batsman with his own limitations and I feel his performance provides a fair indication of where I rate him. Lofting him with superlatives like best in the world and the all-conqueror will only result in bringing his limitations to the front by all who don't consider him that.

Are you dumb or what? Read the quoted post above. What do you mean by your team's batter suck? You hands tied behind your back? You feel sorry for me? And this is not personal? )

It is funny how they let trash posts like these stay here but are pretty quick to delete on topic posts.

Pehle toh tu baat karne ka tareeka seekh. It is not the first time you are doing this. You didn't present any stats or backed your claims with stats. You posted gibberish and got the reply in the same tone. You are the one who is feeling guilty and trying to show yourself as normal now. People can have different opinions. If you are intolerant to other's opinions then that is your problem. According to me Babar is still the best batter across all formats which is the topic at hand. Deal with it.

 

[Mamoon]

Babar is a fabulous batsman. Only a couple of series back he played an outstanding 4th innings knock against Australia. He scored a magnificent ton on a Turner in SL to win the game. He averaged 70 this year. Problem with few posters is that they have different standards for different players.
You trying to convince us that he is on par with deadwood like Rahul shows you can't be taken seriously

Rahul scored 199 against England at home. He also has more Test centuries overseas. The only format where Babar has been clearly better is ODIs.

No matter how many times Pakistani fans repeat themselves, Babar is no better than B grade Indian batsmen. It is their delusion that he is in the class of Kohli.

The difference is that even C grade Indian batsmen would be world beaters for our standards.

Forget Rahul, even an Indian U-15 batsman would average 70+ on the type of highways that have been served to Babar at home this year & he still getting outclassed by opposition batsman whether it is Khawaja, Brook or Kane.

 

[Mamoon]

Apart from 1-2 knocks, Babar has been a failure in Test cricket this year. He has scored useless runs & regularly failed in the second innings were had the chance to win or save the match for Pakistan.

He should have done a lot more this year considering the heavenly batting pitches on offer.

 

[Ahmed216]

Rahul scored 199 against England at home. He also has more Test centuries overseas. The only format where Babar has been clearly better is ODIs.

No matter how many times Pakistani fans repeat themselves, Babar is no better than B grade Indian batsmen. It is their delusion that he is in the class of Kohli.

The difference is that even C grade Indian batsmen would be world beaters for our standards.

Forget Rahul, even an Indian U-15 batsman would average 70+ on the type of highways that have been served to Babar at home this year & he still getting outclassed by opposition batsman whether it is Khawaja, Brook or Kane.

But KL Rahul can't even score easy runs against the likes of BD. Babar has decent averages in SENA countries and missed a couple of tons getting dismissed in 90's.

He may not have been the top scorer across series' but he is miles better than someone averaging 34 at age 30. KL Rahul is finished whereas babar is nominated for player of the year award.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

With or without Babar scoring, Pakistan is losing games.

Therefore his impact his debatable.

He to me is closest to Sachin of the 90s, maybe an inferior vesion. High average, centuries, runs in first innings, but keeps losing games.

He needs a Ganguly to happen to him fast. We need an irreverent star join us.

 

[Buffet]

With or without Babar scoring, Pakistan is losing games.

Therefore his impact his debatable.

He to me is closest to Sachin of the 90s, maybe an inferior vesion. High average, centuries, runs in first innings, but keeps losing games.

He needs a Ganguly to happen to him fast. We need an irreverent star join us.

Nah, I have seen posters writing this often in PP and it's just does not hold true when you actually look at facts.

1 - Babar has hardly scored when playing outside.

SRT had - 3 tons in Aus, 3 tons in Eng, 2 tons in SA .... ( Total 13 away tons ) with Avg of 56 in 90s.

Babar has like 1-2 tons so far with average below 40.


2 - Helping teams to avoid loss when playing away in 90s - Gap is huge here as well

SRT had plenty of tons to help his team avoid loss - ( Total 8 tons in winning/draws )
Babar does have many away tons so helping Pakistan to avoid loss when playing away doesn't even come in picture.

3 - At home, SRT helped Indians win plenty of series with his batting so no need to look anything there.




There are no similarities. SRT single handedly drew many tests in Aus, Eng, SA etc. Babar doing the same at home will be a good start.

 

[Markhor]

200 was there for the taking on this road, but Babar got out softly after a break in play yet again.

 

[MP2011]

With or without Babar scoring, Pakistan is losing games.

Therefore his impact his debatable.

He to me is closest to Sachin of the 90s, maybe an inferior vesion. High average, centuries, runs in first innings, but keeps losing games.

He needs a Ganguly to happen to him fast. We need an irreverent star join us.

It's insult to Tendulkar to be mentioned in the same sentence as Babar, the test Batsman.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] don't disrespect Amla like that. Amla was a gun Test Batsman who scored in all conditions. Dominated in Aus India and England at his peak. Did well vs Pak too.

Amla the ODI Batsman was the King of Bilaterals and soft runs rarely delivered under pressure in ODIs I.e ICC Tournaments.

Amla in Tests was a gun player.

Babar has scored a lot of runs but not enough gun knocks in Tests under pressure or outside Asia to be considered the best in the world.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Double hundred in England.
Hundred in New Zealand.
Hundred in Pakistan.

Devon Conway has 4 hundreds & 5 fifties from just 21 innings in Test cricket.
And he is much better T20 player.

He is the best all format player atm..

 

[jnaveen1980]

Double hundred in England.
Hundred in New Zealand.
Hundred in Pakistan.

Devon Conway has 4 hundreds & 5 fifties from just 21 innings in Test cricket.
And he is much better T20 player.

He is the best all format player atm..

I have said that in this thread couple of times. His only competition is Conway as many capable players are not considered for their national team due to better options.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Babar in ODI and T20 (including leagues) >>>>> Tendulkar
Tendulkar in Tests >>>> Babar (so far)

 

[Rana]

Babar in ODI and T20 (including leagues) >>>>> Tendulkar
Tendulkar in Tests >>>> Babar (so far)

What?!

How is Babar better than Tendulkar in ODI? Has Babar won a 50 over World Cup, played a final of a World Cup and scored over 40 centuries in this format?!

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

What?!



How is Babar better than Tendulkar in ODI? Has Babar won a 50 over World Cup, played a final of a World Cup and scored over 40 centuries in this format?!

1.Tendulkar choked in most KO WC games.
2.Babar averages 55+ and Tendular averages below 45 in ODIs
3. Also Babar averages 50+ vs SENA Tendulkar averages around 40 or even below that outside India.

I am sorry the gap between them is too huge. It's no rocket science. Once Babar plays enough matches, he should outscore Tendulkar in ODI.

 

[Ami]

Why the obsession with stats...
only better if one helps win games.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Why the obsession with stats...
only better if one helps win

Even when it comes to impact,Tendulkar failed to win most big matches and many of his away 100 came for a losing cause. My argument still stands Babar>>>> Tendulkar in ODI

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

The best way to summarize is that Pakistan before Babar made his debut could not chase anything above 240. It happened once or twice from 2009 to 2015.

Ever since he came,he revolutionized PAK batting. Now we feel comfortable even in chasing 250+ totals in SENA countries. He has had a huge impact on our team.

2010 to 2015 NOT a single WC or ICC Final under Misbah or Afridi

2016 to 2022 1 CT,1 SF and 1 Final

Logically thinking Pakistan was in the stone ages before Babar, most of our batsmen felt good after scoring 50. He brought in the 100 culture in our team with Imam and Fakhar.

He is on track to be the greatest batsman from Pakistan

 

[Markhor]

1.Tendulkar choked in most KO WC games.
2.Babar averages 55+ and Tendular averages below 45 in ODIs
3. Also Babar averages 50+ vs SENA Tendulkar averages around 40 or even below that outside India.

I am sorry the gap between them is too huge. It's no rocket science. Once Babar plays enough matches, he should outscore Tendulkar in ODI.

1) Too soon to compare Babar's ODI WC record as he's only played in one so far. Let's see how he fares in India this year.

2) Tendulkar scored his runs in a more bowler friendly era on a wider variety of pitches. Now ODI pitches are almost uniformly flat and two new balls has eliminated reverse swing. Even limited batsmen like Imam-ul-Haq and Shai Hope have ODI averages around 50.

3) Top teams like England and Australia rarely select a full strength squad in bilateral ODIs nowadays unlike the 90s and 00s. Babar has scored lots of runs against B and C string attacks.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

1) Too soon to compare Babar's ODI WC record as he's only played in one so far. Let's see how he fares in India this year.

2) Tendulkar scored his runs in a more bowler friendly era on a wider variety of pitches. Now ODI pitches are almost uniformly flat and two new balls has eliminated reverse swing. Even limited batsmen like Imam-ul-Haq and Shai Hope have ODI averages around 50.

3) Top teams like England and Australia rarely select a full strength squad in bilateral ODIs nowadays unlike the 90s and 00s. Babar has scored lots of runs against B and C string attacks.

England and NZ were trash when Tendulkar played. Tendulkar mostly scored on batting friendly Asian pitches and his average against PAK drops below 40 if you include matches that had Wasim Akram playing.

He also failed in both WC finals he played. Apart from WC matches against PAK where our bowlers gifted him poor deliveries and dropped catches. He was a failure in ICC games.

Also the gulf between them is massive its more than 15. No logic needed to say that Babar is miles ahead.

I agree with your first point though let's see how he fares in the future

 

[giri26]

England and NZ were trash when Tendulkar played. Tendulkar mostly scored on batting friendly Asian pitches and his average against PAK drops below 40 if you include matches that had Wasim Akram playing.

He also failed in both WC finals he played. Apart from WC matches against PAK where our bowlers gifted him poor deliveries and dropped catches. He was a failure in ICC games.

Also the gulf between them is massive its more than 15. No logic needed to say that Babar is miles ahead.

I agree with your first point though let's see how he fares in the future ��

Sachin Tendulkar has a brilliant ICC record. Just because he failed in 2 finals does not make him a bad player. What has Babar done in finals? In tournaments where India reached the finals Sachin was the top scorer both the times. In 2011 he scored loads of runs and also scored runs in the Semis. In 2003 as well he scored 673 runs and runs in Semis as well. Babar and Sachin should not be mentioned in the same breath. No matter how you spin stats.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Sachin Tendulkar has a brilliant ICC record. Just because he failed in 2 finals does not make him a bad player. What has Babar done in finals? In tournaments where India reached the finals Sachin was the top scorer both the times. In 2011 he scored loads of runs and also scored runs in the Semis. In 2003 as well he scored 673 runs and runs in Semis as well. Babar and Sachin should not be mentioned in the same breath. No matter how you spin stats.

Majority of those runs came against small sides or in flat home pitches. Sorry your argument is very weak.

Babar was one of the leading run scorer for PAK in 3 world cups (2019, 21, 22).He also played a great knock in the CT Finals. He has revolutionize PAK batting in a country where bowling is supreme.

Hence I dont understand why can't they be mentioned together? SRT is an extremely overrated LOI batsman who failed in most crucial games. There are many batsman better than him. He was a brilliant test batsman though.

 

[Technics 1210]

Babar Azam does not have countless centuries vs Kenya or Namibia, Tendulkar does, in ICC tournaments.

So much so, Tendulkar has more centuries vs Zimbabwe than Babar has!

 

[giri26]

Majority of those runs came against small sides or in flat home pitches. Sorry your argument is very weak.

Babar was one of the leading run scorer for PAK in 3 world cups (2019, 21, 22).He also played a great knock in the CT Finals. He has revolutionize PAK batting in a country where bowling is supreme.

Hence I dont understand why can't they be mentioned together? SRT is an extremely overrated LOI batsman who failed in most crucial games. There are many batsman better than him. He was a brilliant test batsman though.

What nonsense, what flat pitches? What amazing difficult wickets is Babar scoring his runs? He scored 673 runs in 2003 and has scored runs all over the world. Please Babar hasn't achieved half of what Sachin achieved before he even turned 25. So yes he cannot be mentioned in the same breath as Sachin. Stats cannot be directly compared between the two as they played in different eras, there needs to be context. Babar himself has flopped big time in finals and deciders time and again. Babar was leading run scorer in 2022? In which WC? What I remember is that he was horrendous with a SR under a hundred. He is a limited batsman who bats selfishly in ODIs without worrying as to how it impacts teams runrate.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Babar has to beat Rassie Vander dussen before being compared with ATGs lol This thread is descending into a joke thread. Babar ICC ranked no.1 Imam no.2. Practically Babar = Imam. That kind of underlines how the surfaces can boost your ranking immensely.

 

[Rana]

49 ODI centuries before the 2 new ball rule came in is not a joke

Sachin has played through era’s of great ODI bowlers in Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka

Babar will do great to score 30 ODI centuries. Before that, he isn’t even 1/3rd of Sachin’s stature

 

[Hitman]

49 ODI centuries before the 2 new ball rule came in is not a joke

Sachin has played through era’s of great ODI bowlers in Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka

Babar will do great to score 30 ODI centuries. Before that, he isn’t even 1/3rd of Sachin’s stature

Agreed. Even Imam Ul Haq averages slightly over 52 in ODI cricket in today's flat pitches , power play, and 2 new ball rule

 

[Technics 1210]

49 ODI centuries before the 2 new ball rule came in is not a joke

Sachin has played through era’s of great ODI bowlers in Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, West Indies, Sri Lanka

Babar will do great to score 30 ODI centuries. Before that, he isn’t even 1/3rd of Sachin’s stature

2 new balls per innings were in use, even in the 1992 WC

 

[jnaveen1980]

Agreed. Even Imam Ul Haq averages slightly over 52 in ODI cricket in today's flat pitches , power play, and 2 new ball rule

Babar Azam has hardly any sample to analyze. 5 matches in Australia 4 in England on belters, 2 in NZ, 3 in SA. That's it. He has to beat a lot of 2nd level, 3rd level greats before being compared with ATGs. Level of Rohits, Dhawans, Jo Root, Taylor whole bunch of batsmen.

 

[MHN1293]

Even if you think tendulkar wasn't that good in odis. What makes babar better than him alr over a sample size of 90 odis. Let's see what babar musters in the World Cup

 

[kumjsr]

Babar is greatest all format batsman in history of cricket.

It's not that hard to realize.

Top ranked batsman in T20Is.

Highest averaging batsman in ODIs and reaching ATG levels in tests.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Babar has to beat Rassie Vander dussen before being compared with ATGs lol This thread is descending into a joke thread. Babar ICC ranked no.1 Imam no.2. Practically Babar = Imam. That kind of underlines how the surfaces can boost your ranking immensely.

The only joke is the blind love and nostalgia for SRT. He is an extremely overrated LOI player. Stats and impacful performances don't lie.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Babar Azam has hardly any sample to analyze. 5 matches in Australia 4 in England on belters, 2 in NZ, 3 in SA. That's it. He has to beat a lot of 2nd level, 3rd level greats before being compared with ATGs. Level of Rohits, Dhawans, Jo Root, Taylor whole bunch of batsmen.

He is well on track to beat all of them. All the greats you mentioned average below him in ODI. Playing more matches doesn't make you a great.

 

[Front Foot Pull]

babar greater than sachin in ODIs? few posters on this forum keep giving ) very deep well.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

He is well on track to beat all of them. All the greats you mentioned average below him in ODI. Playing more matches doesn't make you a great.

As per this logic Rassie van der Dussen well on track to beat all of them.
His average is 70 in ODI's and he averages way above Babar.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

As per this logic Rassie van der Dussen well on track to beat all of them.
His average is 70 in ODI's and he averages way above Babar.

Anyone who has a decent start to their career cannot be written off. Van Der Dussen has done well and credit must be given. However Babar has played 90+ matches for a team that had the worst batting line up for 2 decades now.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Anyone who has a decent start to their career cannot be written off. Van Der Dussen has done well and credit must be given. However Babar has played 90+ matches for a team that had the worst batting line up for 2 decades now.

This is your statement; you are contradicting yourself. Read again

"Playing more matches doesn't make you a great"

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Also name me one instance where Tendulkar scored a century and helped IND chase 300+ in ODIs against SENA

Name one instance where Babar scored a 200 against SENA

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

This is your statement; you are contradicting yourself. Read again

"Playing more matches doesn't make you a great"

For a team that had the worst batting line up. Don't try to act like a journalist
quoting part of the statement only.

 

[Ab Fan]

Babar is better than Richards also in ODIs.

Babar AVG 59 SR 89
Viv AVG 47 SR 90

Viv has almost 12 runs on average lesser than Babar has got with strike rate almost same for both.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Babar is better than Richards also in ODIs.

Babar AVG 59 SR 89
Viv AVG 47 SR 90

Viv has almost 12 runs on average lesser than Babar has got with strike rate almost same for both.

Babar also better test player than Bradman.
Because the team that he had the worst batting

 

[Front Foot Pull]

Few posters are obsessed and letting nostalgia get the better of them. Tendular was good in ODIs but by no means is he an ODI Legend.

Bevan, Richard's, Ponting, Sangakkara etc. are all ahead of him

even after discarding my nostalgia i can't see how babar is greater than tendulkar. also your previous statements are naive, so if a batsmen scores 60 runs in 1 match, he is guaranteed to score 6000 runs after 100 matches and we should neglect the longevity of other players who has already played more and scored more?? cricket and life doesn't always work that way you know. also the factor of neglecting eras, conditions and how scores in ODIs have gone up and how ODIs have become batsmen friendly.

even if you ignore all those factors, sachin has played & scored > 4x than that of babar. you want to simplify that down to 'babar will go past him after playing more matches in the future'? there is something called as consistency & longevity, not all can play for so long & maintain the form as well.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Babar is better than Richards also in ODIs.

Babar AVG 59 SR 89
Viv AVG 47 SR 90

Viv has almost 12 runs on average lesser than Babar has got with strike rate almost same for both.

Richards won WI two WC and did not choke in most KO games. He was an impactful player. He was a beast. Tendulkar is nowhere near him nor is Babar. Yes Babar may have a better average but Viv has had more impact.

 

[Ab Fan]

Richards won WI two WC and did not choke in most KO games. He was an impactful player. He was a beast. Tendulkar is nowhere near him nor is Babar. Yes Babar may have a better average but Viv has had more impact.

Richards choked in 1983 WC..couldn't even chase a target close to 180 vs a minnow attack in final. Babar on other hand chased down 240 odd in World Cup. Babar > Richards any day. Numbers don't lie.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Richards choked in 1983 WC..couldn't even chase a target close to 180 vs a minnow attack in final. Babar on other hand chased down 240 odd in World Cup. Babar > Richards any day. Numbers don't lie.

You said it yourself lol. Babar is great

Anyhow Viv lost after winning two consecutive WC. He lost the third final so I think he should be given a
break . Babar never played as many so can't compare him
Tendulkar choked in almost all his WC KO matches apart from the ones against PAK where PAK outcomes him

 

[Ab Fan]

You said it yourself lol. Babar is great

Anyhow Viv lost after winning two consecutive WC. He lost the third final so I think he should be given a
break . Babar never played as many so can't compare him
Tendulkar choked in almost all his WC KO matches apart from the ones against PAK where PAK outcomes him

Another point is that Babar plays for the worst batting lineup while Viv played for the best batting lineup yet Viv has almost same strike rate as Babar.

If we swap the batting lineup of Viv and give it to Babar, Babar probably would have been striking it at 110. If we give Babar's batting lineup to Viv instead, Viv would have probably slowed down and score at 75 strike rate.

Babar is in a different league to Viv in my opinion if we consider all these factors.

 

[charlie007]

Are you dumb or what? Read the quoted post above. What do you mean by your team's batter suck? You hands tied behind your back? You feel sorry for me? And this is not personal? )

It is funny how they let trash posts like these stay here but are pretty quick to delete on topic posts.

Pehle toh tu baat karne ka tareeka seekh. It is not the first time you are doing this. You didn't present any stats or backed your claims with stats. You posted gibberish and got the reply in the same tone. You are the one who is feeling guilty and trying to show yourself as normal now. People can have different opinions. If you are intolerant to other's opinions then that is your problem. According to me Babar is still the best batter across all formats which is the topic at hand. Deal with it.

You have comprehension issues - Use Google to understand what some idioms and phrases mean or imply.
I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, I am only countering them with reality. Now back up your argument by providing me with Babar's 4th innings batting performance and also where he's the lone man standing while others around him and from the other team fail. Prove that he's not mostly scoring soft runs (where plenty others score as well or in non-pressure situations).
Again, I like Babar as a classical batsman who's very good in his art (batting), but don't put him on a pedestal where you can't sustain him with facts - opinions can and will be argued, facts will speak for themselves.

 

[Rana]

Sachin’s 97 in the 2003 World Cup v Pakistan alone is more than everything Babar has achieved in ODI cricket

That was his most iconic innings and symbolic of the tide turning in India’s favour over Pakistan for the next two decades in white ball cricket

Many true fans of Pakistan cricket have not yet recovered from the psychological trauma inflicted from that innings

Absolute class

 

[jnaveen1980]

He is well on track to beat all of them. All the greats you mentioned average below him in ODI. Playing more matches doesn't make you a great.

So i guess Imam > Viv Richards because his average is higher?

 

[Rana]

Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Ricky Ponting
Mathew Hayden
Jacque Kallis

All of these guys would average 60+ in this era in ODI cricket

Sanath Jayasuriya
Verinder Sehwag
Marcus Trescothic
Hershelle Gibbs
Saeed Anwar

These batsmen would all be striking at 130+ in ODI cricket today

 

[Rana]

Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Ricky Ponting
Mathew Hayden
Jacque Kallis

All of these guys would average 60+ in this era in ODI cricket

Sanath Jayasuriya
Verinder Sehwag
Marcus Trescothic
Hershelle Gibbs
Saeed Anwar

These batsmen would all be striking at 130+ in ODI cricket today

130+ in T20*

100-110 strike rate in ODI cricket

 

[Hitman]

The fact that Pakistani posters themselves are laughing at the comparison speaks every thing

And that's because while they might have bias, most of them aren't blind.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Ricky Ponting
Mathew Hayden
Jacque Kallis

All of these guys would average 60+ in this era in ODI cricket

Sanath Jayasuriya
Verinder Sehwag
Marcus Trescothic
Hershelle Gibbs
Saeed Anwar

These batsmen would all be striking at 130+ in ODI cricket today

Yup there was no concept of sending B string team, C string team in the 80s, 90s, 2000s. You always almost face full strength team. Last few years with so many leagues popping up in order to handle workload management teams rarely send fullstrength sides. The massive ODI series by Babar at home was against Abbott, Behrendoff, Stoinis, Ellis, Zampa.

 

[Hitman]

Missed another century on a highway.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You have comprehension issues - Use Google to understand what some idioms and phrases mean or imply.
I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, I am only countering them with reality. Now back up your argument by providing me with Babar's 4th innings batting performance and also where he's the lone man standing while others around him and from the other team fail. Prove that he's not mostly scoring soft runs (where plenty others score as well or in non-pressure situations).
Again, I like Babar as a classical batsman who's very good in his art (batting), but don't put him on a pedestal where you can't sustain him with facts - opinions can and will be argued, facts will speak for themselves.

Who according to you is the best batter across all formats in the world currently? Why don't you stick to topic and tell some names? Surely it is not that hard?