[VIDEOS] Is Babar Azam the best all format batter in the world currently?

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Chasing 140-160 targets is his forte in t20s, but yeah he is very good at that.

Yeah it is Babar's fault that his bowlers don't allow other teams to score above 170 these days. Although he recently did chase 200+ against England when his bowlers perfomed like Indian bowlers.

Anyone who's thinking this thread is being derailed, should start reading the entire discussion from this gem of a post by brother [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION].

Its funny how you deliberately ignored the first post from where this discussion started and cut the part where I mentioned that Babar did chase 200+ when his bowlers performed like Indian bowlers. Can understand the burn there but at least don't lie here. I don't want to embarrass you further. The first statement came from your pal jeetesh and you not only agreed with him but you also brought this full strength bowling attack thing into it. You both should sit together and post the stats now alongwith the bowling attacks.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yeah it is Babar's fault that his bowlers don't allow other teams to score above 170 these days. Although he recently did chase 200+ against England when his bowlers perfomed like Indian bowlers.

Then back up with your posts with stats. You do know that once you start backing up with stats you will have to counter it with stats from other batsman like Virat Kohli also. What kind of bowling attacks did he face, what kind of pitches were those etc. We will go into detail once you start posting those because this thread is about who is the best all format player cutrently. If you think its Babar Azam then you will have to shut it, if you think it is some other player then you will have to counter it with stats.

So here is my question which everyone is trying to ask you but you are busy acting like an ignorant fool here. Who is currently the best all format player?

Lol broken record.. )


Just accept the fact that you can't find a single high scoring knock played by Babar that won his team any game against a decent attack and i will stop embarrassing you even further.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol broken record.. )


Just accept the fact that you can't find a single high scoring knock played by Babar that won his team any game against a decent attack and i will stop embarrassing you even further.

Here we go. You chickened out again.

 

[Mesozoic]

Its funny how you deliberately ignored the first post from where this discussion started and cut the part where I mentioned that Babar did chase 200+ when his bowlers performed like Indian bowlers. Can understand the burn there but at least don't lie here. I don't want to embarrass you further. The first statement came from your pal jeetesh and you not only agreed with him but you also brought this full strength bowling attack thing into it. You both should sit together and post the stats now alongwith the bowling attacks.

Lol I already said that he chased it down when England rested all their key bowlers and failed with flying colors when they returned.

Now let me ask this again..

Can you list a single knock when Babar led his team to a steep run chase (atleast 170+) against a decent bowling attack?


I know I'm not going to get the answer and again you will deflect it with lame statements and the usual childish name calling but I'm hopeful.

 

[Mesozoic]

Here we go. You chickened out again.

Lol okay whatever makes you feel a bit better.

Still waiting for a single Babar knock against decent attack while chasing 170+...

 

[Ashmal]

Indian fans doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to somehow divert this thread towards T20 only

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol I already said that he chased it down when England rested all their key bowlers and failed with flying colors when they returned.

Now let me ask this again..

Can you list a single knock when Babar led his team to a steep run chase (atleast 170+) against a decent bowling attack?


I know I'm not going to get the answer and again you will deflect it with lame statements and the usual childish name calling but I'm hopeful.

Do you understand the meaning of 'stats'? It means all the matches he has played so far. He chased 200+ against those english bowlers and you and jeetesh are trying to prove that he is incapable of chasing totals above 170+. Not only that you said he can only chase 150-160 totals. You surely have stats to back these talks. Post it from cricinfo. That's what I am waiting for. I want to look at the bowling attacks as well.

 

[PakPremi]

Don't know what's your point here..

This discussion started when a delusional pretender laughably claimed that Babar doesn't chase 170 because his bowlers don't concede those many these days. And also claimed Babar would score 237 too against Rabada, Nortje, Ngidi , Maharaj and Shamsi...

And I just pointed out Babar's numerous failures when chasing a steep total against decent bowling attacks. You have something to counter that?

How do you know he can or cannot, but to achieve thathe needs someone else like Fakhar and/or Rziwan to give big support,as it happens when an Indian world class batsmen chases big total down. Babar has already chase few high scores down so well within his capability.

 

[heddie19]

But you won’t call Salah a better footballer than Messi and Ronaldo out of respect for their careers and legacy. Salah is a top player and Messi and Ronaldo are in the twilight of their careers, so it is natural if Salah has been better lately.

Similarly, Babar has had a better period than Kohli in 2020-2021 but it doesn’t make him a better batsman. Kohli’s peak was 2012-2018, and what he achieved during his peak era across formats is something that seems to be beyond Babar’s capabilities.

In 2022 Kohli seems to be having a resurgence of sorts even though he is clearly past his prime now. In the Asia Cup, Kohli showed that he can outperform peak Babar even today simply because he has more talent, skill and mental strength compared to Babar.

Learn to respect real greatness. Kohli is a bonafide legend and better than any batsman Pakistan has ever produced.

You see the word "currently" mentioned in the title? What does it mean?

The title of this thread doesn't say that "babar's peak is greater than virat's peak"

Salah is 'currently' better than Messi/Ronaldo and Babar is 'currently' better than any other batter across all 3 formats. There is no question about it. If you think elsewise, you're making a joke of yourself.

 

[Mesozoic]

Do you understand the meaning of 'stats'? It means all the matches he has played so far. He chased 200+ against those english bowlers and you and jeetesh are trying to prove that he is incapable of chasing totals above 170+. Not only that you said he can only chase 150-160 totals. You surely have stats to back these talks. Post it from cricinfo. That's what I am waiting for. I want to look at the bowling attacks as well.

He has failed each and every time while chasing any total north of 165 against good bowling attacks.

Scored a slow 38 while chasing 190+ against South Africa, 2019

Scored 13 while chasing 168 against Sri Lanka on home soil, 2019.

Single digit score in the same series while chasing 180+

Scored 22 off 16 against England in 2021 while chasing 200+ at Headingley, 2021.

Scored a run a ball 14 while chasing 190 against South Africa, wanderers 2021.

Scored a slow match losing 90 in 60 balls while chasing 190 by starting too slow and only catching up with some soft boundaries at the death.

Scored 14 while chasing 180+ against India in the Asia cup.

Scored 5 off 6 balls while chasing 170 in the Asia cup final

Failed twice against England In the recent series w. chasing 200+ once England started playing a decent pace attack.


His only good knocks came against South Africa (when their main bowlers left for IPL) , England (when they rested their 3 best fastmen) and a West Indies team that had names like Gudakesh Motie, Dominic Drakes, Romario Shepherd).

 

[Mesozoic]

How do you know he can or cannot, but to achieve thathe needs someone else like Fakhar and/or Rziwan to give big support,as it happens when an Indian world class batsmen chases big total down. Babar has already chase few high scores down so well within his capability.

Read the above post. He has been rubbish while chasing big totals against any decent attack. He doesn't have the ability.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Across all formats combined he is the best currently.

In T20s I worry that he's going to become the type of player Tendulkar was during his career in LOIs...i.e score soft meaningless runs.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He has failed each and every time while chasing any total north of 165 against good bowling attacks.

Scored a slow 38 while chasing 190+ against South Africa, 2019

Scored 13 while chasing 168 against Sri Lanka on home soil, 2019.

Single digit score in the same series while chasing 180+

Scored 22 off 16 against England in 2021 while chasing 200+ at Headingley, 2021.

Scored a run a ball 14 while chasing 190 against South Africa, wanderers 2021.

Scored a slow match losing 90 in 60 balls while chasing 190 by starting too slow and only catching up with some soft boundaries at the death.

Scored 14 while chasing 180+ against India in the Asia cup.

Scored 5 off 6 balls while chasing 170 in the Asia cup final

Failed twice against England In the recent series w. chasing 200+ once England started playing a decent pace attack.


His only good knocks came against South Africa (when their main bowlers left for IPL) , England (when they rested their 3 best fastmen) and a West Indies team that had names like Gudakesh Motie, Dominic Drakes, Romario Shepherd).

What's this? Do you look at stats like this? Where are the bowling attacks? Type of pitches? And other such stuff.

Rehne de tujhse na ho payega.

 

[PakEngFan]

He has failed each and every time while chasing any total north of 165 against good bowling attacks.

Scored a slow 38 while chasing 190+ against South Africa, 2019

Scored 13 while chasing 168 against Sri Lanka on home soil, 2019.

Single digit score in the same series while chasing 180+

Scored 22 off 16 against England in 2021 while chasing 200+ at Headingley, 2021.

Scored a run a ball 14 while chasing 190 against South Africa, wanderers 2021.

Scored a slow match losing 90 in 60 balls while chasing 190 by starting too slow and only catching up with some soft boundaries at the death.

Scored 14 while chasing 180+ against India in the Asia cup.

Scored 5 off 6 balls while chasing 170 in the Asia cup final

Failed twice against England In the recent series w. chasing 200+ once England started playing a decent pace attack.


His only good knocks came against South Africa (when their main bowlers left for IPL) , England (when they rested their 3 best fastmen) and a West Indies team that had names like Gudakesh Motie, Dominic Drakes, Romario Shepherd).

For a start stop lying he scored his 50 off 34 balls in that game against SA and it wasn’t 60 balls too. Babar has failed many times in big scores it’s not like he’s the only one I can get so many of any player of your choice that they have failed in such chases. This thread is about overall batsmen not just t20. Currently he’s up there as one of the best batsmens in all format combined.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian fans doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to somehow divert this thread towards T20 only

What has Babar done in tests?

Doesn't avg 50.

1 century outside Asia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Across all formats combined he is the best currently.

In T20s I worry that he's going to become the type of player Tendulkar was during his career in LOIs...i.e score soft meaningless runs.

What is his test performance? How many centuries outside Asia? What's his avg?

 

[Ashmal]

What has Babar done in tests?

Doesn't avg 50.

1 century outside Asia.

Agreed he hasn't done too much.

But he's scored consistently in last 2 yrs in and there's no other player who has a comparable record across all formats in last 2-3 yrs

If not Babar, tell me who's the best batsman across all formats at present??

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Agreed he hasn't done too much.

But he's scored consistently in last 2 yrs in and there's no other player who has a comparable record across all formats in last 2-3 yrs

If not Babar, tell me who's the best batsman across all formats at present??

Babar is ranked at #3 in tests with 879 points, #1 in ODIs with 890 points and #3 in T20s with 801 points.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Agreed he hasn't done too much.

But he's scored consistently in last 2 yrs in and there's no other player who has a comparable record across all formats in last 2-3 yrs

If not Babar, tell me who's the best batsman across all formats at present??

A player who isn't anywhere near the best in tests, which is the premier format, cannot be called the best player.

There need not be a best all format player always. Earlier Kohli was the player as he was scoring run almost everywhere across all formats and avging 50 in all 3 formats. Babar isn't anywhere near that level.

 

[PakPremi]

So if you cannot meet Kohli peak you cannot be considered best currently in combined format.
If there is one who is better than Babar in combined now please name him.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So if you cannot meet Kohli peak you cannot be considered best currently in combined format.
If there is one who is better than Babar in combined now please name him.

Rishabh Pant?

 

[Mesozoic]

What's this? Do you look at stats like this? Where are the bowling attacks? Type of pitches? And other such stuff.

Rehne de tujhse na ho payega.

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What else? Do you want what the bowlers had for breakfast on those days? Or their tooth paste brand and at what side of the bed they woke up on? Their blood sugar levels?

Rehne de... boht karli beizzati apni..

 

[Mesozoic]

For a start stop lying he scored his 50 off 34 balls in that game against SA and it wasn’t 60 balls too. Babar has failed many times in big scores it’s not like he’s the only one I can get so many of any player of your choice that they have failed in such chases. This thread is about overall batsmen not just t20. Currently he’s up there as one of the best batsmens in all format combined.

Which game did he score 50 off 34?

No one denied he's one of the best players. But please don't say with a straight face that he can chase high totals against good bowling attacks like the delusional pretenders are doing here.

 

[PakPremi]

Rishabh Pant?

He cannot even get a consistent place in limited over cricket . I know you being sarcastic. Lol.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

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What else? Do you want what the bowlers had for breakfast on those days? Or their tooth paste brand and at what side of the bed they woke up on? Their blood sugar levels?

Rehne de... boht karli beizzati apni..

Nope. Just names of those bowlers. Post them please.

 

[PakPremi]

Which game did he score 50 off 34?

No one denied he's one of the best players. But please don't say with a straight face that he can chase high totals against good bowling attacks like the delusional pretenders are doing here.

I told you its never one batsman who chases high score, you need other top class players to support you.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Babar is a very good batsmen for Pakistani standards.

Hence we tend to over-rate him.

He is a okay to good batsmen by Indian standards who have seen a train of batsmen.

Hence Indians tend to slightly under-rate him.

In truth, Babar rarely "steps out of his comfort zone". His own comments are significance to this, even though posters try to deflect Babar as some sort of hero, who regularly chases 200 plus. He has been on record to say he prefers to chase 160. Also on record to say that he targets the same score while batting first. On record to say he wants 50/0 in 6 overs and continue batting the same way for rest of the match.

A batsmen who says those things knows his "limitations". Babar has all shots in the book, but he has two things which make him lose his impact.

1. He refuses to take risks because he wants to play the same way whether Pakistan are chasing 200 or 250 or 100.

2. He has poor power game (even if he has it he refuses to indulge in it, till he reaches 70 or 80 runs).

With these glaring problems, it is easy to see why his "detractors" will "single" him out every single time he chases a high score against good attacks.

Obviously, if the bowling attack is throwing pies or is an average one, he can have his days where he will chase 200, but he is a classical batsmen.

He will NEVER take risks and NEVER feel comfortable chasing anything above 160.

That is a fact and even his best supporters know it.

IF they don't know it, they only need to look at his OWN comments to gauge the idea.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Which game did he score 50 off 34?

No one denied he's one of the best players. But please don't say with a straight face that he can chase high totals against good bowling attacks like the delusional pretenders are doing here.

If a troll like you can say that he can't chase 200+ totals with a broken face then why can't normal human beings like us say that he can chase 200+ totals based on his abilities? Infact he just did recently against England. When we reminded you of that you shifted the topic to full strength bowling attack and now are you in a loop where you are unable to provide the names of those bowlers he played against and failed.

 

[Zaz]

Currently All formats? Yes babar is the best His rankings show this clearly

 

[PakEngFan]

Which game did he score 50 off 34?

No one denied he's one of the best players. But please don't say with a straight face that he can chase high totals against good bowling attacks like the delusional pretenders are doing here.

Seems like you haven’t read my post. Maybe read it again and you will get an answer to both of your questions.

 

[PakEngFan]

If a troll like you can say that he can't chase 200+ totals with a broken face then why can't normal human beings like us say that he can chase 200+ totals based on his abilities? Infact he just did recently against England. When we reminded you of that you shifted the topic to full strength bowling attack and now are you in a loop where you are unable to provide the names of those bowlers he played against and failed.

Not sure where he got that from my post. I clearly stated Babar has failed quite a few times as has many batsmen 1 person can’t win you a game when chasing high totals. Again I am not defending Babar. Seems like people have their agenda and no matter what you present them with they will deny it.

 

[ChTab]

Probably he's a poor man's Amla which is great for Pakistani standards but not that great for the standards set by other top batters.

 

[Mesozoic]

If a troll like you can say that he can't chase 200+ totals with a broken face then why can't normal human beings like us say that he can chase 200+ totals based on his abilities? Infact he just did recently against England. When we reminded you of that you shifted the topic to full strength bowling attack and now are you in a loop where you are unable to provide the names of those bowlers he played against and failed.

The fact that you are still desperately clinging on to the recent chase against England C grade attack, tells me how many times Babar managed to do that against decent attacks... That's right... A big round zero.

Keep moaning all you want. Until you find one knock against a decent attack , you are only sounding like a broken clock desperate for a way out of this humiliation.

 

[Mesozoic]

Not sure where he got that from my post. I clearly stated Babar has failed quite a few times as has many batsmen 1 person can’t win you a game when chasing high totals. Again I am not defending Babar. Seems like people have their agenda and no matter what you present them with they will deny it.

That's correct. One player can't chase a big total
on his own unless he has special abilities. And Babar doesn't have those abilities. And nothing wrong in admitting that and moving on. I respect you for that.

But few pretenders are using laughable excuses like "he doesn't chase them because his bowlers don't concede them" ... and that is how this discussion started. No "agenda" or no foul play involved here...

 

[MenInG]

Sensible non personal posts or dont botrher posting

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Bhaag Viru Bhaag is basically an attention seeking troll like Urvashi Routela who does all this for fame and popularity. He deliberately quotes people here again and again and has no shame or respect.

He thinks if he can do it like this, he will become popular and get fame by using these cheap tricks.

That's true ... lol..

 

[Ashmal]

A player who isn't anywhere near the best in tests, which is the premier format, cannot be called the best player.

There need not be a best all format player always. Earlier Kohli was the player as he was scoring run almost everywhere across all formats and avging 50 in all 3 formats. Babar isn't anywhere near that level.

Babar has been avg 50+ in both tests and ODIs in last 2yrs.
He recently played a couple of clutch knocks in Test cricket and is ranked #3.

Even in T20Is he has been consistently pretty good apart from the recent blip in Asia Cup.

Babar may not match Kohli (2016) level.
But he's certainly above everyone's level at present across all formats.

The fact that you and your friends are not able to name one player who has a comparable record.....shows how far he's ahead of his competitors.

Heck....even Kohli himself acknowledged Babar as the best modern day batsman across formats.

 

[Usman Chadda]

You also have to take into account the bowling attack of your own team. Is it his fault that he doesn't get a chance to chase 200+ targets? Although when he does, all kinds of parameters are brought in by his blind haters to downplay that. It is also stupid to expect him to chase 200+ twice in 2 days, no player has done that.

Certainly Indian batters don’t do that, but looking at the delusional Indian fans on this forum doing bhangra over that aspect, you would think Indian batsmen are tearing up international cricket chasing down 200+ totals for fun

 

[shamaan]

Which game did he score 50 off 34?

No one denied he's one of the best players. But please don't say with a straight face that he can chase high totals against good bowling attacks like the delusional pretenders are doing here.

Maybe he has/hasn't chased chased high totals but you can't use good bowling attacks that's not exactly his fault.

 

[The lone Ranger]

Once again proved why he is the best T20 player in the world!

Failed with flying colours in Asia Cup
Failed against Eng except that one fluke performance against second string bowlers
Failed against Bangladesh 22(26)
Failed against Newzealand 21 (23)

Only scored last match because of a dropped catch on 29

Can't imagine what would be his Strike rate, had he been a middle order player!.

 

[ChTab]

Very very very average T20 player & some delusional fans were crowning him as best T20 player

 

[Zaz]

Once again proved why he is the best T20 player in the world!

Failed with flying colours in Asia Cup
Failed against Eng except that one fluke performance against second string bowlers
Failed against Bangladesh 22(26)
Failed against Newzealand 21 (23)

Only scored last match because of a dropped catch on 29

Can't imagine what would be his Strike rate, had he been a middle order player!.

Babar avges 58 in his last ten innings 136 strike rate which includes a 110no, 87no and a 79no

If thats failure give me more of it please

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Once again proved why he is the best T20 player in the world!

Failed with flying colours in Asia Cup
Failed against Eng except that one fluke performance against second string bowlers
Failed against Bangladesh 22(26)
Failed against Newzealand 21 (23)

Only scored last match because of a dropped catch on 29

Can't imagine what would be his Strike rate, had he been a middle order player!.

Yeah just like Rishabh Pant scored and won the match because he got multiple lives in Australia series?

In a way it is good that both Rizwan and Babar got out cheaply. They exposed the middle order and it also proves why most of the time they have to play cautiously. They don't have the luxury of players like Miller coming down the order either.

 

[Ab Fan]

Babar maybe the best all format player but he is not even in top 5 in T20 on current form.

The top 5 as it stands now are David Warner, Jos Buttler, Suryakumar Yadav, Mohammad Rizwan and David Miller.

In Tests, Joe Root is no.1. Pant is probably 2 ( quality over quantity and also a keeper bat) and Babar is 3.

 

[Mamoon]

Another nothing innings. It is becoming the norm for him in T20Is these days.

One good innings sandwiched between 4-5 rubbish, match-losing knocks.

 

[shamaan]

Babar avges 58 in his last ten innings 136 strike rate which includes a 110no, 87no and a 79no

If thats failure give me more of it please

Exactly loool

 

[Rana]

Babar avges 58 in his last ten innings 136 strike rate which includes a 110no, 87no and a 79no

If thats failure give me more of it please

Since the beginning of Asia cup,

Pakistan has lost 8 matches.

So Babar is averaging 58 with a sr of 136 as an opener. Clearly he isn’t doing something right for his team to lose 8 games out of 15. Two wins out of 7 were against Bangladesh and Hong Kong. Plus Pakistan scraped through 3-4 matches

 

[Waleed93]

A fifty in a 170+ run chase today.

Latest excuse : It was just Bangladesh.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

A fifty in a 170+ run chase today.

Latest excuse : It was just Bangladesh. ��

I'll take the same 50 in the final against NZ.

 

[Waleed93]

I'll take the same 50 in the final against NZ.

He may or may not score in the final.

He actually already scored 79* in the first game against NZ, but then we were told by PP ex-cricketers that he was only good for those 140-150 run chases.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

A fifty in a 170+ run chase today.

Latest excuse : It was just Bangladesh.

Hardly surprising. According to some pretenders, he doesn't have the ability to chase 170+ totals. You can debate on his slow start and strike rate but you can't debate with fools who are so sure that he can never chase them in the future.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

He may or may not score in the final.

He actually already scored 79* in the first game against NZ, but then we were told by PP ex-cricketers that he was only good for those 140-150 run chases.

Well what changed?

Is he good or not?

Or do you think we should only judge him on 140 chases and Fifties against Netherlands and Bangladesh and Ireland?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I'll take the same 50 in the final against NZ.

If he does that then you will say "I'll take the same 50 in the world cup league match then knockouts, then final..."

Pakistan batting relies heavily on opening batsman. The kind of inning Nawaz played was only possible because they gave a pretty solid start. .

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If he does that then you will say "I'll take the same 50 in the world cup league match then knockouts, then final..."

Pakistan batting relies heavily on opening batsman. The kind of inning Nawaz played was only possible because they gave a pretty solid start. .

No, it would be a 50 in a final and would probably clinch the tri series.

Even if Rizwan strikes a 70 off 50 in the final, I would give him credit.

The problem is Pakistan have lost

1. Semi-final in T20 World due to Rizwan playing at 120 SR building a total.
2. Final against Sri Lanka in Asia Cup due to Rizwan playing at SR of 112 chasing 170.
3. Final series decider chasing 209 when both Babar and Rizwan failed to capitalize.

Thats 3 series finals we've lost.

I would happily take any contribution that enables us to win.

Why are you so afraid they will fail?

Best opening duo in the World in T20.

Should help Pakistan win the Tri series at least.

 

[Waleed93]

Well what changed?

Is he good or not?

Or do you think we should only judge him on 140 chases and Fifties against Netherlands and Bangladesh and Ireland?

His numbers tell you that he averages in the 40s-50s in SENA countries at relatively high strike rates :

51 at 149 in SA.
45 at 142 in England.
57 at 138 in Australia.
69 at 128 in NZ.

These numbers clearly give you the answer that he is not just made for "140 chases against Bangladesh and Ireland ".

But then again, people will start the usual "He faced second string attacks" rona dhona.

An excuse has to be found because they can't argue against numbers.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

His numbers tell you that he averages in the 40s-50s in SENA countries at relatively high strike rates :

51 at 149 in SA.
45 at 142 in England.
57 at 138 in Australia.
69 at 128 in NZ.

These numbers clearly give you the answer that he is not just made for "140 chases against Bangladesh and Ireland ".

But then again, people will start the usual "He faced second string attacks" rona dhona.

An excuse has to be found because they can't argue against numbers.

Never mind.

He can erase all that tomorrow by winning the final of the tri series vs New Zealand.

Btw, I like Babar, just so you know.

 

[Waleed93]

Never mind.

He can erase all that tomorrow by winning the final of the tri series vs New Zealand.

Btw, I like Babar, just so you know.

I never said you didn't.

I was just talking about some analysts here who want to argue for the sake of it, even when the numbers smack them in the face.

 

[Madplayer]

The audacity of some Pakistan fans is incredible.

Have you forgotten the Misbah era batsmen?

Stop talking as if you have Viv Richards like batsmen to replace Babar with.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan should bring back Ahmed Shehzad and Imam as openers, have Babar at 3 and Rizwan at 5.

I think this is what Pakistani fans want?

Shehzad
Imam
Babar
Shan
Rizwan
Shadab
Asif Ali
Nawaz
Rauf
Shaheen
Naseem

 

[Mesozoic]

Well what changed?

Is he good or not?

Or do you think we should only judge him on 140 chases and Fifties against Netherlands and Bangladesh and Ireland?

Lol leave them alone..

They very well know that Babar simply doesn't have the ability to score quick and big against decent attacks so they need to cling onto these type of knocks.

And he scored a mighty 55 off 40 while chasing 175 today. At least the Magala, Luke wood bashing came at a better pace. His was not even the 4th best knock in the game today. )

 

[Sidilicious]

This thread reminds of the discussion that was had when India was #1 from 16-20.

Pakistani fans would question India’s #1 status because they were not as good as the Aus of late 90s to 00s, or WI of 80s. Didn’t change the fact that india was still the best team. Not the greatest ever, but the best at that time.

Same thing, but the other way for Barbar. All 3 forms combined, he probably is the best at this moment. Though nowhere close to what greats like Kohli, ABD have been.

 

[MenInG]

Babar Azam, the Pakistan men’s cricket team captain, on Thursday (October 13), created a new record as he became the fastest Asian batter to reach 11,000 runs in international cricket. The 27-year-old right-handed batter reached the milestone in his 251st innings and, in the process, broke former Indian captain Virat Kohli’s record. The Indian batting maestro took 261 innings to reach the landmark. Former batting great Sunil Gavaskar took 262 innings to achieve the same feat and was followed by Javed Miandad, who breached the mark in 266 innings.

Babar now has a total of 11002 runs to his name and is the 11th Pakistani batter to complete 11K runs in international cricket. He has scored 3122 runs from 75 innings of 42 Tests, 4664 runs from 90 innings of 92 ODIs and 3216 from 86 innings of 91 T20Is.

With his 29th fifty in 91 T20I matches, Babar also leapfrogged Indian captain Rohit Sharma to become the batter with the second highest number of fifties in the shortest format of the game. The Indian captain, who is also the leading run getter in T20I history, has scored 28 fifties and four centuries, and now Babar has 29 to his name. He is only behind Virat in the elite list. The 33-year-old Virat has scored 33 half-centuries in T20 internationals.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...uns-in-international-cricket-article-94830445

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol leave them alone..

They very well know that Babar simply doesn't have the ability to score quick and big against decent attacks so they need to cling onto these type of knocks.

And he scored a mighty 55 off 40 while chasing 175 today. At least the Magala, Luke wood bashing came at a better pace. His was not even the 4th best knock in the game today. )

Look at this guy. Indian team is struggling to chase even 169 in a practice match and here he is making fun of openers who are helping their team win matches alone.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Do you understand the meaning of 'stats'? It means all the matches he has played so far. He chased 200+ against those english bowlers and you and jeetesh are trying to prove that he is incapable of chasing totals above 170+. Not only that you said he can only chase 150-160 totals. You surely have stats to back these talks. Post it from cricinfo. That's what I am waiting for. I want to look at the bowling attacks as well.

In the England series what was Babar's avg in matches that Wood played and in those that Wood didn't feature. It will show you a stark difference.

 

[Ab Fan]

In the England series what was Babar's avg in matches that Wood played and in those that Wood didn't feature. It will show you a stark difference.

Mamoon posted it somewhere . I think it changed from 89 to something like 8.9.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Best minnow-bashing FTB

 

[160KPH]

Yes, Babar Azam is a match winner, but what is his average batting first during summer time when Rizwan is dismissed for less than 10 runs?

This is what some people sound like when trying to discredit Babar. The numbers don’t lie and the rest of the world already sees it, he is the best batsmen in the world. If he was in any other team, us Pakistani fans would have already given him that title - but for some reason we are being overly harsh and critical of our own player.

 

[Mesozoic]

Look at this guy. Indian team is struggling to chase even 169 in a practice match and here he is making fun of openers who are helping their team win matches alone.

Lmao look at this desperate guy... taking a glorified net practice game seriously, where 3-4 batters couldn't bother to even show up and Axar was played at 5. )

And lol at "helping their team win matches alone". If not for Nawaz , it was yet another tuk tuk bottlejob that those two are used to

 

[160KPH]

Lmao look at this desperate guy... taking a glorified net practice game seriously, where 3-4 batters couldn't bother to even show up and Axar was played at 5. )

And lol at "helping their team win matches alone". If not for Nawaz , it was yet another tuk tuk bottlejob that those two are used to

Was the previous T20 World Cup and Asia Cup also a glorified net practice? Rizwan and Babar are specialists at sending Indian team back home.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lmao look at this desperate guy... taking a glorified net practice game seriously, where 3-4 batters couldn't bother to even show up and Axar was played at 5. )

And lol at "helping their team win matches alone". If not for Nawaz , it was yet another tuk tuk bottlejob that those two are used to

And who opened the batting in that practice match? Axar at 5? Why are you talking about number 5 batsman now? Here you want Babar and Rizwan to chase it in 15 overs it seems. Indian openers should have chased the target all by themselves but guys like Pant were scoring at a strike rate of 81. According to some of you opening is pretty easy in T20s and our guys were playing a practice match which means there was no pressure.

 

[PakPremi]

Mamoon posted it somewhere . I think it changed from 89 to something like 8.9.

Are you saying that Babar scores less than 10 runs against teams that played a world class or very fast bowler?
If not what is the point of this remark, Babar got dismissed warly twice due to Wood bowling well or Babar palying rubbish shot under pressure does not mean he has not and/or cannot score against good bowlers.

 

[Bilal7]

Best batsman in the world across formats. No one really comes close after Kohli's dip in form, Root being dropped from the T20 side and Smith and Kane also being deadweight in their respective T20 teams.

Babar is the sole batsman in the world who could arguably make the World XI in all three formats.

 

[Mesozoic]

Was the previous T20 World Cup and Asia Cup also a glorified net practice? Rizwan and Babar are specialists at sending Indian team back home.

Lol not really. It was Shaheen and Nawaz who won you those games. Pak would have won the wc game even if they had Shehzad/Azhar Ali opening . And it was Sri Lanka and New Zealand who knocked us out. Stop taking credit when uts not due.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol not really. It was Shaheen and Nawaz who won you those games. Pak would have won the wc game even if they had Shehzad/Azhar Ali opening . And it was Sri Lanka and New Zealand who knocked us out. Stop taking credit when uts not due.

So you are not even giving credit to Babar for chasing 150+ totals now? )

 

[Ab Fan]

Babar in t20s is in same league as Pandey, good for small chases vs quality attacks.

In Tests, he is Rahane level, plays pace well and lucky not to face turners at home.

In ODIs, he is technically more solid than Iyer but doesn't have the attacking intent like him.

 

[Mesozoic]

So you are not even giving credit to Babar for chasing 150+ totals now? )

Oh I already gave him enough credit for that.

I'd even go on and say Babar is the best batsman there ever was in chasing 140-150 in T20 cricket. There is no power on earth that can stop Babar azam from chasing a 145 on any wicket in any conditions. Wasim, Marshall, McGrath , Warne at their peaks wouldn't be able to stop him..

 

[Waleed93]

Babar has dominated a bowler like Trent Boult and people want us to believe that he is scared of Mark Wood.

Hate really makes you delusional.

 

[Zaz]

You expect it from opposing fans but Its sad how so called pakistan fans are quick to discredit him and his performances

They deserve the like of kamran akmal and hafeez opening the batting with the likes of malik and misbah following as they were a few years ago

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Babar has dominated a bowler like Trent Boult and people want us to believe that he is scared of Mark Wood.

Hate really makes you delusional.

Babar is also scared of Harshal Patel.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 overs - 4 runs - 1 wicket &#55357;&#56393; Michael Bracewell in the Power Play. Pakistan 33-1 after 6 chasing 163 to win the T20 Tri Series. &#55357;&#56741; = <a href="https://twitter.com/sparknzsport?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sparknzsport</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/1g9brvCHkK">pic.twitter.com/1g9brvCHkK</a></p>— BLACKCAPS (@BLACKCAPS) <a href="https://twitter.com/BLACKCAPS/status/1580774840792801280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2022</a></blockquote>
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