[VIDEOS] Is Jimmy Anderson an all-time great?

[tyron_woodley]

great bowler in helpful conditions. Defintiely an ATG but not top tier level.

 

[Zaz]

great bowler in helpful conditions. Defintiely an ATG but not top tier level.

An ATG would be a top tier level bowler So this statement doesnt make sense

 

[Ted123]

A level below ATGs.

 

[tyron_woodley]

An ATG would be a top tier level bowler So this statement doesnt make sense

ATG. GOAT tier level is the tier above. BOAT would be the best of all time.

there are still 2 levels above Andy.

 

[Robert]

The reason he will never be an ATG is this:

Home:
84 tests, 368 wickets at an average of 23.76 and a strike rate of 49.7

Away:
60 tests, 181 wickets, average 34.16 and strike rate 69.1

If your quick is striking after 70 balls, you might as well sack him. What's carrying him is his home record.

In his last ten years, the away figure improves to a creditable 142 wickets at 30 average and s/r 65.

So he is world class at home and a decent stock bowler away.

He was badly coached early on and that meant a lot of bad performances.

 

[Ab Fan]

This is an era of home track bullying. Pretty much every bowler in this era is having disparity in their home away performance.

Trent Boult and Tim Southee averages 32 away from home.

Kagiso Rabada averages 30 away from home.

Mohammad Shami averages 30 away from home.

James Anderson and Stuart Broad also averages 32-33 away from home.

Philander has a poor average in subcontinent and his away average is also around 28-29.

Considering this, Anderson deserves to be rated a bit high compared to Boult, Shami, Philander, Broad because he has also maintained this performance over a longer period and with great fitness.

I won't rate him as highly as Shaun Pollock or Courtney Walsh but I think he is probably behind them by a nose. Definitely ahead of Kapil, Akhtar or Botham IMO.

 

[therealAB]

GOAT is singular

 

[Robert]

This is an era of home track bullying. Pretty much every bowler in this era is having disparity in their home away performance.

Trent Boult and Tim Southee averages 32 away from home.

Kagiso Rabada averages 30 away from home.

Mohammad Shami averages 30 away from home.

James Anderson and Stuart Broad also averages 32-33 away from home.

Philander has a poor average in subcontinent and his away average is also around 28-29.

Considering this, Anderson deserves to be rated a bit high compared to Boult, Shami, Philander, Broad because he has also maintained this performance over a longer period and with great fitness.

I won't rate him as highly as Shaun Pollock or Courtney Walsh but I think he is probably behind them by a nose. Definitely ahead of Kapil, Akhtar or Botham IMO.

And yet Botham took more test fivefers than Anderson despite teammates Willis and Underwood taking wickets too, and has a brilliant record in India, while Kapil did better than Anderson in Australia.

 

[Ab Fan]

And yet Botham took more test fivefers than Anderson despite teammates Willis and Underwood taking wickets too, and has a brilliant record in India, while Kapil did better than Anderson in Australia.

Does Botham have more wickets than Jimmy or Broad? Do they average higher than Jimmy?

There is not a big difference between them so obviously in a particular country anyone can outperform other.

Anderson with 600 wickets@26 deserves to get a nod ahead of Botham with 380 wickets@28 and Kapil with 434 wickets@29. Personally, I will take Jimmy over these guys only when playing with the duke ball.

 

[Robert]

Does Botham have more wickets than Jimmy or Broad? Do they average higher than Jimmy?

There is not a big difference between them so obviously in a particular country anyone can outperform other.

Anderson with 600 wickets@26 deserves to get a nod ahead of Botham with 380 wickets@28 and Kapil with 434 wickets@29. Personally, I will take Jimmy over these guys only when playing with the duke ball.

600 wickets mean little to me in this case. Anderson came up in the era of central contracts. Had he been a contemporary of Botham’s he would have finished with around 200, as he would have been injured much of the time due to the sheer volume of cricket played in an English county season then.

I would take Kapil. He bowled mostly on unhelpful wickets and didn’t face any minnows.

 

[Ab Fan]

600 wickets mean little to me in this case. Anderson came up in the era of central contracts. Had he been a contemporary of Botham’s he would have finished with around 200, as he would have been injured much of the time due to the sheer volume of cricket played in an English county season then.

I would take Kapil. He bowled mostly on unhelpful wickets and didn’t face any minnows.

Its irrelevant. If he had played in that era, his training and guidance would have been completely different. There are so many factors that comes into consideration so it becomes irrelevant completely. He is a champion in this era and would continue to be one in some other era as well.

However, his nick name will continue to be Dukerson.

 

[Robert]

Its irrelevant. If he had played in that era, his training and guidance would have been completely different. There are so many factors that comes into consideration so it becomes irrelevant completely. He is a champion in this era and would continue to be one in some other era as well.

However, his nick name will continue to be Dukerson.

He's nowhere near champion status. That hat would be a McGrath or a Steyn: all-conditions bowlers not Duke specialists.

Anderson is comparable to England bowlers such as Old, Hendrick, Lever, Botham, Dilley, Foster, Fraser, Cork, Gough, Caddick, Harmison and Hoggard. Good bowlers, but the County circuit wore most of them out at around 200 test wickets. Anderson does not have to face the same workload so he and Broad have lasted longer.

 

[Ab Fan]

He's nowhere near champion status. That hat would be a McGrath or a Steyn: all-conditions bowlers not Duke specialists.

Anderson is comparable to England bowlers such as Old, Hendrick, Lever, Botham, Dilley, Foster, Fraser, Cork, Gough, Caddick, Harmison and Hoggard. Good bowlers, but the County circuit wore most of them out at around 200 test wickets. Anderson does not have to face the same workload so he and Broad have lasted longer.

Are you trying to say that these bowlers didn't had the fitness level to play even 45 tests(about 200 wickets)? 45 tests is what about 4-5 years?? That's terrible.

Anyways, all the English bowlers were massively mediocre in 80s and 90s post Botham. They were simply not good enough which is why England were probably down as 5th or 6th best team in 80s and 90s respectively. In 2000s, they improved and in previous decade, they mastered the art of not losing a test series at home and winning series away time and again as well.

Jimmy and Broad improved with time, learned new skills and mastered it. No fast bowler bar this duo has ever played 150 tests, that's huge.

 

[Robert]

Are you trying to say that these bowlers didn't had the fitness level to play even 45 tests(about 200 wickets)? 45 tests is what about 4-5 years?? That's terrible.

Anyways, all the English bowlers were massively mediocre in 80s and 90s post Botham. They were simply not good enough which is why England were probably down as 5th or 6th best team in 80s and 90s respectively. In 2000s, they improved and in previous decade, they mastered the art of not losing a test series at home and winning series away time and again as well.

No. I am not saying that at all. For a start there were fewer tests played played and to play sixty was a really good career.

Willis played ninety tests in fourteen years. But he had some sort of deal not to turn out for Warwickshire.

Others had to play a Sunday Lea match on the rest day of a test match then go straight into a three day game when it finished. It was almost non-stop - the day after a Lord’s test, if Fraser didn’t have to go straight into a game at Surrey or Uxbridge he would have to drive to Somerset or Yorkshire. Read Jon Agnew’s fantastic book “Eight Days a Week” about a County season.

That’s why the bowlers broke down all the time.

There were plenty of England bowlers good enough in the late eighties and nineties. They could not stay fit due to the schedule. Had ECB central contracts been in place we could have hit the opposition with Dilley, Small and Foster, and later Fraser, Gough, Caddick and Cork every test. But we never could because the Country treadmill broke them down more often than not and we had to pick second string bowlers like Jarvis and Silverwood as fill-ins. Look at Angus Fraser, a Goliath of a man, took two eightfers in WI. But he only played 44 tests in ten years.

 

[MenInG]

Dale Steyn said James Anderson was a more skilful bowler than him as the two great seamers discussed their careers on the Sky Sports Cricket Podcast.

South African Steyn took 439 wickets in 93 Tests at an average of 22.95 and strike-rate of 42.3 before announcing his retirement from the longest form of the game last summer.

England spearhead Anderson is the most prolific fast bowler in Test history, having claimed 584 scalps in his 151 matches to date at an average of 26.83 and strike-rate of 56.1.

"I watch Jimmy bowl and he is just ridiculous. I could never bowl those big in-swingers and use the crease the way he did," said Steyn, on a show you can listen to in the Spotify player below.

"I am a fan of Jimmy's, I'm not going to lie, but when you are playing against each other you can't allow that to come out - you don't want to show that weakness, if you want to call it that.

"I have no skill! Bowl a couple of slower balls, a fast bouncer and yorker and just try and hit the mark as often as I could.

"I could bowl really fast and as the years went on I started to develop more skills - I learnt how to swing the ball a little bit, use the crease a little bit more. But I knew what my skill was and that was to run in and bowl fast."

I was terrible! I wasn’t good enough. I couldn’t land the ball consistently enough in the right place for long enough so I had to go and play domestic cricket just to learn how to bowl. I had the talent but just couldn’t package it together.

Anderson was complimentary about Steyn, too, and admitted he used to study his fellow seamer's method with the Kookaburra ball as he aimed to become more effective in away series, having frequently dismissed batsmen in England with the Dukes ball.

"Dale's record speaks for itself - it is absolutely ridiculous. Unbelievable strike-rate, unbelievable average," said Anderson, who remains a key part of England's Test attack.

"He has done himself a disservice as he is definitely skilful, can definitely swing the ball. He swung it at 90mph-plus which was incredibly difficult to face. He was intimidating in more ways than one.

"I knew he was going to attack my stumps but also that there could be a 90mph bouncer coming - and quite often there was. You didn't know where to look really.

"I have always seen myself and Dale as very different bowlers. At the back-end of my career, when I've had most success, I am nowhere near as quick.

"But Dale is someone I have definitely watched, particularly with the Kookaburra ball. It has been my nemesis for quite a long period in my career - how do you swing that red Kookaburra as he does?

"I have watched videos, looking to see if it is the wrist position. I think everyone does that.

"To become as good a cricketer as you can be you have to watch the best, not just the best from however long but also the best you are playing against so you can soak up as much as you can."

The Dukes ball has been a huge help to me. It helps that it swings – but you still have to put it in the right area. I have found it a challenge away from home, finding ways of getting wickets on flat pitches with balls that don’t generally swing. I am happy with the way I have improved over the years. I probably haven’t torn it up anywhere but I have done a good job for the team and helped to win series in India, Australia and South Africa.

Anderson became the ninth player - and first out-and-out bowler - to reach the milestone of 150 Tests when he played in the Boxing Day game against South Africa at Centurion this winter.

The 37-year-old suffered a rib injury in the second Test in Cape Town and missed the rest of England's series victory, while he was then rested for the scheduled two-Test tour of Sri Lanka in March before it was postponed due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Anderson was readying himself to return for England before the outbreak delayed the international summer and, on our podcast, explained how he has enjoyed such a long Test career, having made his debut under Nasser Hussain against Zimbabwe at Lord's in 2003.

The seamer said: "There is definitely a bit of luck. I am quite a slim build naturally and I don't have to watch my diet too much, although since getting past 35 I have had to watch it a little bit more!

"I do work fairly hard in the gym. I wouldn't say I do loads more than anyone else but I do my fair share and I am lucky my action is repeatable and doesn't put too much strain on my body. I still work on my action now and making sure it is as economical as it can be.

"Inconsistency crept into my game when I started tinkering with my action when [former England head coach] Duncan Fletcher wanted me to bowl a little bit quicker.

"I think I was around late-eighties [in terms of miles per hour] when I started but we were always looking for that extra two or three miles an hour, getting towards the mid-nineties.

"Looking for that lost me so much consistency and getting a stress fracture in 2006 and going back to my original action helped me so much. Everything felt more natural.

Anderson on swinging the ball Steyn on bowling fast Anderson on 2003 World Cup and being hit into the ocean! Steyn on learning from Shaun Pollock Anderson on Stuart Broad Steyn on his lockdown injury!
"I had my action since I was eight years old, so when you try and change that at 20 or 21 it is such a hard thing for your body to cope with. My body didn't cope - that's why I ended up with a stress fracture.

"Sometimes you do need the intervention, if there is a risk of injury, but I would say try and stay away from big changes. Just try and tinker with your action. especially if you have bowled that way for a long time."

On Anderson, Hussain - who was also part of the podcast, alongside host Rob Key - added: "When I first saw him, you knew he was a special talent - that natural bowler England just doesn't produce. Jimmy was the most naturally gifted bowler I had seen. He was outstanding, different league.

"I faced one ball of his in first-class cricket - I was the middle delivery of a hat-trick! He hit me straight on the toe with an in-swinging yorker, so he was a nightmare to face!"

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...n-more-skilful-bowler-than-me-says-dale-steyn

 

[Saj]

Nasser Hussain "I only had him [Anderson] for a short period, and people took that wrong way, as if he was a troublemaker, as if he wouldn’t listen or whatever. He would listen, like the Mohammad Yousaf dismissal in that World Cup game against Pakistan. We had struggled to get Mohammad Yousaf out and were wondering how are we going to get him out? Duncan [Fletcher] the night before said full swinging delivery early on. I had completely forgot but Anderson with just two minutes in the game, bowled a full swinging delivery and polls were all over the place.”

Hussain also recalled the first time he watched Anderson bowl, he reminded him of raw Pakistani fast-bowlers.

“I’ll tell you now, to this day, when I first saw him, you just knew he was a special talent,” he said. “That sort of natural bowler that England just do not produce. It’s almost like those videos you see on Twitter of young Pakistan bowlers running in on a dirt track and bowling. Jimmy Anderson was the most naturally gifted bowler I had seen. He was outstanding, different league.”

 

[MenInG]

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[big_gamer007]

Depends on how strict ones criteria for ATG is.

Jimmy is alongside batsmen like KP, Younus Khan, Jayawardene etc. If one rates these batsmen as ATG then Jimmy should be rated as ATG as well.
However, for people with strict criterias for ATG these players will fall short.

 

[Robert]

Nasser Hussain "I only had him [Anderson] for a short period, and people took that wrong way, as if he was a troublemaker, as if he wouldn’t listen or whatever. He would listen, like the Mohammad Yousaf dismissal in that World Cup game against Pakistan. We had struggled to get Mohammad Yousaf out and were wondering how are we going to get him out? Duncan [Fletcher] the night before said full swinging delivery early on. I had completely forgot but Anderson with just two minutes in the game, bowled a full swinging delivery and polls were all over the place.”

Hussain also recalled the first time he watched Anderson bowl, he reminded him of raw Pakistani fast-bowlers.

“I’ll tell you now, to this day, when I first saw him, you just knew he was a special talent,” he said. “That sort of natural bowler that England just do not produce. It’s almost like those videos you see on Twitter of young Pakistan bowlers running in on a dirt track and bowling. Jimmy Anderson was the most naturally gifted bowler I had seen. He was outstanding, different league.”

Anderson was quick in his early days.

 

[therealAB]

Depends on how strict ones criteria for ATG is.

Jimmy is alongside batsmen like KP, Younus Khan, Jayawardene etc. If one rates these batsmen as ATG then Jimmy should be rated as ATG as well.
However, for people with strict criterias for ATG these players will fall short.

agree with this.

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Curtly
Imran
Trueman
Donald
Wasim
Waqar
Pollock x2
Adcock
Proctor
Statham
Snow
Lindwall
Miller
Lillee
Davidson
Holding
Garner
Walsh
Roberts

are all >> Anderson

If a player is not in top 20 all time of his craft he is not an ATG. Of the above, I feel they are all ATG apart from Walsh, Roberts, Snow, Statham and Adcock.

 

[big_gamer007]

agree with this.

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Curtly
Imran
Trueman
Donald
Wasim
Waqar
Pollock x2
Adcock
Proctor
Statham
Snow
Lindwall
Miller
Lillee
Davidson
Holding
Garner
Walsh
Roberts

are all >> Anderson

If a player is not in top 20 all time of his craft he is not an ATG. Of the above, I feel they are all ATG apart from Walsh, Roberts, Snow, Statham and Adcock.

Fair enough, but I do have to say out of all these bowlers, Jimmy is probably the best bowler to watch in favourable conditions. The action, the swing is just beautiful to watch.

Btw, Pollock x 2 means Shaun Pollock and his uncle?

 

[therealAB]

Fair enough, but I do have to say out of all these bowlers, Jimmy is probably the best bowler to watch in favourable conditions. The action, the swing is just beautiful to watch.

Btw, Pollock x 2 means Shaun Pollock and his uncle?

Shaun and Peter.

Yep Jimmy beautiful action to watch, absolutely textbook. I would teach either his or McGrath's action to young fast bowlers, very effective and highly durable. Much better than someone like Bond/Shoaib who's action ensures they will be injured alot

 

[The Viper]

James Anderson: Coronavirus break may add 'a year or two' to career

England fast bowler James Anderson believes the enforced break from cricket due to the coronavirus pandemic could prolong his career.

Anderson, 37, is part of a 55-player group that has been asked to return to training, with the first Test against West Indies set to start on 8 July.

Anderson has regained full fitness after picking up a rib injury on England's winter tour of South Africa.

"It could just add on a year or two at the end of my career," said Anderson.

The Lancashire paceman, who is England's all-time leading wicket-taker in Test cricket, has only bowled 74 overs since August after missing large parts of last summer's Ashes and the winter tours of New Zealand and South Africa through injury.

He has been bowling in the nets at Old Trafford with social distancing measures in place.

Speaking on the latest Tailenders podcast, Anderson said: "I've really enjoyed being back and as odd as it is just bowling into a net, with not many people around, it's still nice to be back and playing cricket.

"I bring all the kit myself - my bands and med balls to warm-up with - and I've got my own cricket balls which I don't normally have.

"I have a quick lap round the outfield and then straight into the nets. I bowl a few overs and then get straight back in the car and go home."

The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) is expected to announce a revamped summer schedule this week.

"I got up to speed quite quickly. I'm off my full run up and I feel like I'm ready to play now," Anderson said. "I need to just calm down a bit.

"As players you are working towards the 8 July date as if it's going to happen but obviously each stage has to be ticked off by the government, most importantly, and secondly the ECB."

The series will take place behind closed doors and Anderson, like team-mate Jofra Archer, supports the idea of playing artificial crowd noise at the games.

"I've been watching the rugby league in Australia and I actually thought there was a crowd watching because they were playing crowd noise through the speaker in the stadium," Anderson said.

"I actually thought it worked. It was nice to have that sort of atmosphere even though there was no-one there."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/52881851

 

[MenInG]

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[shaz619]

Sorry Sir Jimmy but no one can escape father time

 

[Bhaijaan]

I think this thread title has no point in 2020, it sounds rather disrespectful. Brothers please give it a thought [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION]

James Anderson now has more test wickets than any pacer in the history of the game.

He may not be your favourite in particular but i believe none of us has the right now to question his greatness and stature as a cricketer.

 

[Ab Fan]

agree with this.

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Curtly
Imran
Trueman
Donald
Wasim
Waqar
Pollock x2
Adcock
Proctor
Statham
Snow
Lindwall
Miller
Lillee
Davidson
Holding
Garner
Walsh
Roberts

are all >> Anderson

If a player is not in top 20 all time of his craft he is not an ATG. Of the above, I feel they are all ATG apart from Walsh, Roberts, Snow, Statham and Adcock.

Very good list. Bob Willis is not rated as highly as his stats suggest it seems.

 

[The Viper]

You cannot be an ATG if you fail to perform in multiple different conditions. Anderson falls short on this basis.

 

[therealAB]

I think this thread title has no point in 2020, it sounds rather disrespectful. Brothers please give it a thought [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION]

James Anderson now has more test wickets than any pacer in the history of the game.

He may not be your favourite in particular but i believe none of us has the right now to question his greatness and stature as a cricketer.

which of my 20 bowlers above do you believe he is greater than

 

[Slog]

You cannot be an ATG if you fail to perform in multiple different conditions. Anderson falls short on this basis.

He has atleast one bumper series in every condition.

And when you’re literally the highest wicket taker ever as a pacer then there is no debate on your greatness

 

[Bhaijaan]

which of my 20 bowlers above do you believe he is greater than

My dear brother. They are all great and so is James Anderson. That is my only point. It's not about calling him GOAT, no one is doing that.

But as fans of test cricket, do you think it is fair to question greatness of a fast bowler who's played 150+ tests and taken nearly 600 test wickets. I mean there was a point till he had like 300 wickets or something, maybe then people could say things but he's at the top of the mountain in terms of what he has achieved. If this doesn't make someone ATG its the ATG tag that is poorer and not the other way around.

With all due respect, Jimmy has taken more wickets than some of the bowlers you mentioned combined.

 

[therealAB]

My dear brother. They are all great and so is James Anderson. That is my only point. It's not about calling him GOAT, no one is doing that.

But as fans of test cricket, do you think it is fair to question greatness of a fast bowler who's played 150+ tests and taken nearly 600 test wickets. I mean there was a point till he had like 300 wickets or something, maybe then people could say things but he's at the top of the mountain in terms of what he has achieved. If this doesn't make someone ATG its the ATG tag that is poorer and not the other way around.

With all due respect, Jimmy has taken more wickets than some of the bowlers you mentioned combined.

for me, no of wickets is a bad statistics as it does not necessarily indicate quality.

For me, ATG's are the top tier of bowlers and if there are 20 pacers better (quality) than Anderson he does not deserve to be an ATG

 

[Last Monetarist]

for me, no of wickets is a bad statistics as it does not necessarily indicate quality.

For me, ATG's are the top tier of bowlers and if there are 20 pacers better (quality) than Anderson he does not deserve to be an ATG

If someone has close to 600 test wickets, then it certainly is a measure of quality. It's amusing to use specious characteristics to denigrate someone simply because you revel in glorifying the past.

It's such a qualitative assessment to justify if someone is an ATG or not, and it's all in the eye of the beholder. For me, out of that list of yours I'd only clearly have 14 or 15 that would be justifiably above Anderson.

 

[therealAB]

If someone has close to 600 test wickets, then it certainly is a measure of quality. It's amusing to use specious characteristics to denigrate someone simply because you revel in glorifying the past.

It's such a qualitative assessment to justify if someone is an ATG or not, and it's all in the eye of the beholder. For me, out of that list of yours I'd only clearly have 14 or 15 that would be justifiably above Anderson.

You say because someone has 600 wickets then they are quality. I am not saying Jimmy is trash, just that there are bowlers that have been vastly greater than him. mcGrath for example has done everything better than Jimmy

With batsmen for example, apart from Bradman you cannot consider any ATG bat to be vastly greater than any other. While Viv is greater than Ponting, the difference is nowhere enar the gap between Marshall/McGrath and Anderson

 

[Ab Fan]

James Anderson belong to same league as Courtney Walsh, Anil Kumble and Younis Khan, just a shade below ATG tag. Walsh probably a shade higher.

They have memorable test careers with longevity on their side but you won't really fear of them when they are playing outside home conditions.

 

[Ted123]

Mediocre with Kookaburra and SG.

 

[therealAB]

James Anderson belong to same league as Courtney Walsh, Anil Kumble and Younis Khan, just a shade below ATG tag. Walsh probably a shade higher.

They have memorable test careers with longevity on their side but you won't really fear of them when they are playing outside home conditions.

Agreed. While very good players who have contributed a lot for their teams, not true ATG's. Would rate both Younis and Walsh especially above Jimmy

 

[Ab Fan]

Btw, what about Stuart Broad who is about to take 500 test wickets and if cricket starts sooner, he may have a chance to become second highest wicket-taker after Anderson and get to 600 wickets?

 

[The Viper]

James Anderson aiming for four out of six England Tests this summer

James Anderson told Sky Sports Cricket he is aiming to play in four of England's six Test matches this summer.

The 37-year-old picked up three wickets in the #raisethebat opener against West Indies in Southampton - his first Test since January due to a rib injury.

But the seamer was then rested for the second game of the series at Emirates Old Trafford, with rotation set to be a staple for the bowling attack this summer with six Tests inside two months.

Next week's third Test against West Indies, also at Emirates Old Trafford, will be followed by three more against Pakistan in August.

Speaking in the Sandals Player Zone on Sunday, Anderson said: "There's no plan, as such, as to what I'll play for the summer but I think for the bowlers getting through four out of six would be pretty good.

"After a long break and with those Test matches in a really short space of time, I think that's probably the hope for the coaches and medical team."

Anderson, who bowled 40 overs across England's four-wicket defeat in Southampton, added: "There was some stiffness there but [that was] to be expected really. It feels good now after a few days resting."

The paceman is also hoping he gets an opportunity to leave England's bio-secure bubble between the series against West Indies and Pakistan.

Anderson added: "I've heard whispers but nothing confirmed. Obviously it'd be nice if we can get home for a few days so we'll just keep our fingers crossed on that one.

"I can't say it's been hard because we're in a hotel and we've got nice surroundings. We're looked after well and we're getting to play cricket which is amazing really after the last few months. We're grateful for that.

"If we can get home for a few days, then brilliant, but if not, we'll just have to knuckle down and realise it'll be another three or four weeks before we can get home properly."

England's three-Test series against Pakistan begins at Emirates Old Trafford on August 5, before concluding with two Tests at The Ageas Bowl, from August 13 and August 21 respectively.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...for-four-out-of-six-england-tests-this-summer

 

[MenInG]

James Anderson to retire? Legendary England pacer all set to address media today

Legendary England pacer James Anderson, who is under the scanner for picking just 6 wickets in the last three Tests, will address the media on Monday.

England cricket team gave its fans one of the most memorable wins by registering a come-from-behind victory against Azhar Ali-led Pakistan in the 1st Test between the two countries. While English batsmen Jos Buttler and Chris Woakes produced a match-winning stand in the fourth innings, one of the biggest concerns for the hosts - is the form of James Anderson.

The legendary pacer, who is close to completing 600 wickets in red-ball cricket, hasn’t been in the best of form lately and has managed to pick just six wickets in his last three Tests.

As reported by dailymail.co.uk, Anderson will address the media on Monday with speculations rife that he might give an update on his future and might also announce retirement from gentleman’s game.

Anderson, who picked three wickets against West Indies in the first Test of the recently concluded three-match Test series, was dropped for the next game and he returned for the decider where he claimed just two wickets. Even against Pakistan, Anderson once again let the team down as he ended the game with just one wicket to his name. The first pacer to reach 500 Test wickets for England, Anderson looked frustrated in the 1st Test against Pakistan - which England went on to win by 3 wickets.

Now 38, it has been reported that Anderson might once again be dropped for the 2nd Test against Pakistan with the hosts calling up Sussex seamer Ollie Robinson to their bio-secure bubble in Southampton. Robinson is likely to replace Anderson for the second Test.

With 590 Test wickets, Anderson is ranked fourth in the elite list of bowlers with the highest number of Test wickets. Muttiah Muralitharan (800), Shane Warne (708) and Anil Kumble (619) occupy the top three spots.

Former England captain Nasser Hussain recently opined that he would like to see Woakes play ahead of Anderson for the 2nd Test – which is scheduled to start at The Rose Bowl in Southampton from August 13.

"If Ben Stokes is fit to bowl then England have got some tough selections decisions to make ahead of the second Test and, I think this is the first time I have said this in my career as a broadcaster, I would have Woakes in the side ahead of James Anderson," Hussain told Sky Sports.

England suffered a big blow ahead of the 2nd Test against Pakistan as star all-rounder Ben Stokes will miss the remaining series due to family reasons.


https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...d-pacer-all-set-to-address-media-today/634487

 

[MenInG]

Jimmy Anderson has just confirmed that he won't be retiring - more details later.

 

[Abdullah719]

James Anderson ‘still hungry’ for Test cricket, dismisses retirement rumours

England’s most successful bowler James Anderson says he is not pondering Test retirement but conceded the decision to step away could be taken out of his hands if he continues to underwhelm.

The 38-year-old has endured a frustrating summer, managing just six wickets in his last three Tests, fuelling speculation that his 17-year Test career could be drawing to a close. Anderson struggled for rhythm in England’s three-wicket win over Pakistan in the first Test in Manchester but the Lancashire pacer confirmed that while he was disappointed with his effort, the thought of hanging up his boots had never crossed his mind.

“There’s no truth to that. It’s been a frustrating week personally, I felt out of rhythm and probably for the first time in 10 years I got emotional on the field and let that get to me,” Anderson told reporters on Monday.

“I think after one bad game, there are some whispers that go around but I don’t really think that’s fair. I’ve just got to work hard and hope I get the nod for the next game.”

Anderson, who has picked up 590 Test wickets, said earlier this year that he was hungry to keep playing for England and on Monday he reiterated his desire to carry on until next year’s Ashes series in Australia.

“I want to play as long as I possibly can. If I keep bowling the way I did this week, the opportunity to retire will be taken out of my hands. It will be a selection issue. But, for me, I’m still hungry,” he said.

Anderson is on the brink of becoming the first pacer to pick up 600 Test wickets but he admitted his focus was not on personal milestones.

“It’s not a huge incentive for me really. I want to be bowling well and contribute to winning,” he said. “If I get 600 wickets then great, if I don’t, I’m happy with what I’ve got.”

The second Test will begin on Thursday at the Rose Bowl in Southampton.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-stuart-broad-600-wickets/article32315841.ece

 

[Ab Fan]

James Anderson ‘still hungry’ for Test cricket, dismisses retirement rumours

England’s most successful bowler James Anderson says he is not pondering Test retirement but conceded the decision to step away could be taken out of his hands if he continues to underwhelm.

The 38-year-old has endured a frustrating summer, managing just six wickets in his last three Tests, fuelling speculation that his 17-year Test career could be drawing to a close. Anderson struggled for rhythm in England’s three-wicket win over Pakistan in the first Test in Manchester but the Lancashire pacer confirmed that while he was disappointed with his effort, the thought of hanging up his boots had never crossed his mind.

“There’s no truth to that. <B>It’s been a frustrating week personally, I felt out of rhythm and probably for the first time in 10 years I got emotional on the field and let that get to me,” </B>Anderson told reporters on Monday.

“I think after one bad game, there are some whispers that go around but I don’t really think that’s fair. I’ve just got to work hard and hope I get the nod for the next game.”

Anderson, who has picked up 590 Test wickets, said earlier this year that he was hungry to keep playing for England and on Monday he reiterated his desire to carry on until next year’s Ashes series in Australia.

“I want to play as long as I possibly can. If I keep bowling the way I did this week, the opportunity to retire will be taken out of my hands. It will be a selection issue. But, for me, I’m still hungry,” he said.

Anderson is on the brink of becoming the first pacer to pick up 600 Test wickets but he admitted his focus was not on personal milestones.

“It’s not a huge incentive for me really. I want to be bowling well and contribute to winning,” he said. “If I get 600 wickets then great, if I don’t, I’m happy with what I’ve got.”

The second Test will begin on Thursday at the Rose Bowl in Southampton.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-stuart-broad-600-wickets/article32315841.ece

The end is nigh.

It was quite visible after Day1 of the first test vs Pakistan. Anderson is validating that only.

Great bowler but like Steyn, his final series might just be against Pakistan.

 

[James]

I think he should call it a day at the end of the series. He has been a magnificent Test bowler and an amazing servant to English cricket, and he would retire as an England great, but the time has come for him to move on I think.

 

[MenInG]

I think he should call it a day at the end of the series. He has been a magnificent Test bowler and an amazing servant to English cricket, and he would retire as an England great, but the time has come for him to move on I think.

Seemed pretty annoyed with the suggestion that he could be retiring!

 

[MenInG]

England bowler James Anderson has dismissed suggestions that he will retire after “one bad game” against Pakistan at Emirates Old Trafford and is determined to show he can still perform at the highest level.

With 590 Test wickets to his name, Anderson is England's record wicket-taker and fourth on the all-time list, behind only Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warne and Anil Kumble.

However, at the age of 38 and having taken just six wickets at 41.16 in three Tests this summer, there has been speculation that the series against Pakistan could be his last.

"Absolutely not," Anderson told reporters. "It's been a frustrating week for me personally because I've not bowled very well, I've felt out of rhythm.

"Probably for the first time in 10 years I got a little bit emotional on the field, started getting frustrated and let that get to me a little bit.

"It reminded me of when I first started playing, when you get frustrated and a little bit angry then you start trying to bowl quicker and quicker, and that obviously doesn't help on the field.

"For me, once we get down to Southampton, it is a case of working really hard over the next couple of days, see if there are any technical issues that I can sort out and just try and work hard and hope that I get the nod for the next game so I can try and show people that I've still got what it takes to play Test cricket."

While Anderson admitted he was not at his best last week in Manchester, he was disappointed that one below-par performance led to murmurings of his retirement, and the Lancashire seamer admitted there was a different kind of pressure on him at this stage of his career.

"I want to keep playing for as long as I possibly can," he said. "If I keep bowling the way I did this week, the opportunity to retire will be taken out of my hands! It'll be a selection issue.

"I'm still hungry to play the game, I think the frustration for me this week is that after just one bad game, whispers go around, and I don't think that is really fair.

"Something that I have done well throughout my career is deal with the pressure that comes with playing, whether that is pressure of expectation, pressure of the match situation - I feel I've dealt with that pretty well throughout my career.

"This week I probably didn't do that very well. That is something I need to look at and go away, personally look at that and whether I play in the next game or the game after that or if it is in the winter then whenever I play next, I'm ready to be able to cope with that."

In the more than 17 years since his Test debut, Anderson has had to get through plenty of difficult moments and suggestions it might be time for him to go appear to have fired him up to get through his current dip in form.

"I don't think it is the toughest period of my career, I've had quite a few tough periods as you'd expect over a decent-length career," he added.

"I just think it is a different way of thinking maybe. It was one bad game and I'm sure I'm going to have another bad game in my career, I just don't want every time I have a bad game there to be rumours going around that I'm going to pack in.

"I want to be contributing to this team and that is my sole focus really. I want to be bowling well and contribute to England winning games of cricket. That has been my focus throughout my career and that will continue to be my focus for the rest of my career because that has served me well.

"The milestones; if I get 600 wickets then great but if I don't then I'm happy with what I've got. I know I can perform better than I did this week and I want to keep getting better and help England win."

With Ben Stokes missing the two remaining Tests against Pakistan for family reasons, Anderson's chances of making his point out on the field may have increased.

However, Sussex's Ollie Robinson has been called up to add to England's wealth of fast bowlers and given the form of Chris Woakes and Stuart Broad, Anderson's spot appears most under threat as Joe Root's team aim to wrap up the series at the Ageas Bowl.

"I've never counted my chickens and thought I'm definitely playing the next game," he added. "I've always worked hard whether I was at the peak of my powers or when I first started, I've always had the attitude of work hard in practice, keep improving and then play well in the actual game itself.

"Those are the things I've always tried to do and that doesn't change this week or in the next year or three years or whatever it might be. For me, that is what I've got to do.

"Selection is out of my hands really, I've got to work hard and show that I'm bowling well. It's one bad game, everyone has a bad game. I'm sure I'll have more bad games so for me, I just need to keep a positive mental attitude, focus on the next game and put everything else behind me.

"When you're playing well, you can't dwell on that either, you have to put everything else behind you and focus on the next one."

England all-rounder Stokes will miss the remainder of the #raisethebat Test series against Pakistan for family reasons.

Stokes will leave the UK later this week and travel to New Zealand. He will miss England's two Test matches against Pakistan at the Ageas Bowl on Thursday, August 13 and Friday, August 21.

The England and Wales Cricket Board, along with the Stokes family, requests that all media respects the family's privacy at this time.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...ent-rumours-and-determined-to-prove-his-class

 

[MenInG]

Seems Anderson's ego a little hurt so Pakistan will need to watch out for this.

 

[Ab Fan]

Looks like a 5-fer coming in if he plays.

 

[MenInG]

Keeps his place for 2nd Test vs Pakistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He is one of the finest bowlers of this generation. I don't think he is far off being a an ATG given the number of wickets, longevity and overall record he has.

 

[Hasan123]

I think he should call it a day. He has been a good servant for English cricket. But he doesn't seem as good as he was and also there is always a chance he could pick up an injury. I don't see him being effective in Australia at the age of 39/40.

 

[topspin]

Should retire after 600 wickets.

Broad and Woakes should be opening the bowling with Archer first change followed by Mark Wood.

 

[Abdullah719]

England v Pakistan: James Anderson backed to return to form by Joe Root

England bowler James Anderson has been backed by captain Joe Root to return to “the peak of his powers”.

Anderson, England’s all-time leading wicket-taker, is set to keep his place for the second Test against Pakistan, which starts on Thursday.

The 38-year-old returned match figures of 1-97 in last week’s first Test and on Monday denied speculation he could retire, calling the suggestion unfair.

Root said you question Anderson’s ability “at your own peril”.

“It would be very silly for us to write someone like Jimmy off,” said Root.

“He is still as dedicated as ever, is working very hard on his game and is looking very good in practice.”

Anderson has taken six wickets in three Tests this summer and needs 10 more to become the first fast bowler to take 600 in Tests.

Root said he and Anderson had “honest conversations” during the first Test at Old Trafford about the bowler’s frustrations.

“To get that off his chest and to talk about it has helped him,” Root said.

“With Jimmy we know it won’t be long until he is back at the peak of his powers.

“I am very much looking forward to seeing him perform this week.”

Victory at the Ageas Bowl in Southampton will secure England a first series win over Pakistan in 10 years.

The hosts have made one change to their squad with uncapped Sussex bowler Ollie Robinson, 26, replacing all-rounder Ben Stokes, who will miss the match and the series finale after flying to New Zealand for family reasons.

Batsman Zak Crawley will likely replace Stokes in the batting order, but Root said he would not confirm his starting XI until the toss.

Robinson, Stuart Broad, Chris Woakes, Jofra Archer, Sam Curran and Mark Wood, plus spinner Dom Bess, are all in contention to join Anderson in the bowling attack.

Root said Stokes’ absence is a “huge loss” but challenged other members of the team to step up.

“For a long period of time he has been arguably our best player,” Root said.

“He offers so much in all departments. He is a big leader in the group as vice-captain as well.

“Of course we will miss him dearly, we are all thinking about him, but it is an opportunity for someone to come in and try and full those boots.

“Whoever gets that responsibility has to try and really step up to the plate.”

England won the first Test at Emirates Old Trafford despite conceding a 107-run first-innings lead and being on the back foot for much of the game.

Pakistan assistant coach Waqar Younis said the defeat was a “tough pill to swallow” but hopes the tourists can “cash in” on Stokes’ absence.

“If he’s not around it’s unfortunate for cricket but there is no doubt he is a match-winner,” Younis said.

“England will probably be a touch light in their middle order, so we’re going to talk about that and try to cash in.”

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/53754173

 

[James]

Seemed pretty annoyed with the suggestion that he could be retiring!

He sounds like he is in denial a bit to me, [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION].

 

[Slog]

He sounds like he is in denial a bit to me, [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION].

He needs a series at home against India lol. That always used to revive his and Cook’s career.

Tho tbh our batsmen were always his bunnies too but did well in 2018 and first test here. Still won’t be surprised if he performs well

 

[MenInG]

He sounds like he is in denial a bit to me, [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION].

In the history of Pakistan cricket - whenever an opposing cricketer is shown to be in demise, he usually comes back to destroy us and resurrect his career (much to annoyance of his own supporters). Fact.

 

[MenInG]

A historic feat awaits James Anderson as England hope to clinch the series against Pakistan in the second Test starting in Southampton on Thursday. Anderson, who had a lacklustre opening game of the series has a chance to wipe it off and holds the potential to do it in some style. Anderson is 10 wickets away from becoming the only fast bowler in history to claim 600 Test wickets, and overall, only the fourth to the landmark.

That said, Anderson’s record at the Ageas Bowl isn’t that flattering. Of his 154 Tests, Anderson has played only four at the venue, picking up 16 wickets with a best of 5/53 against India in 2014. In the previous two Tests Anderson played in Southampton, the fast bowler had figures of 3/62, 2/49 and 0/42 against the West Indies not too long ago. With two Tests left in England’s home summer, Anderson has four innings to get there.

Despite growing speculation regarding his career, Anderson has made it clear he is not contemplating retirement anytime soon. Anderson pointed out that although he is “frustrated” with his performance in Manchester, the 38-year-old quick is keen to get back in rhythm ahead of the second Test against Pakistan.

“No, there’s not, absolutely not [if he is considering his England future],” Anderson said in a video posted by Sky sports. “It’s been a frustrating week for me personally because I have not bowled very well. I felt out of rhythm. Probably for the first time in ten years, probably got a little bit emotional on the field. Started getting frustrated, let that get to me a little bit and probably reminded me when I first started playing, when you actively get frustrated, little bit angry, try and start bowling quicker and quicker and that doesn’t help on the field.”

Anderson returned figures of 1/63 and went wicketless in the second innings during the first Test. One of his spells on the opening day in Manchester, in particular, was ordinary in which Babar Azam hit him for six boundaries off 24 balls. Besides, repeated injuries have also cast a shadow of doubt over the England great’s future, who is the leading Test wicket-taker among fast bowlers.

Earlier this year, Anderson had said he was looking forward to playing the 2021 Ashes in Australia, expressing his eagerness to partner Stuart Broad. Injuries may have slowed him down a bit but Anderson has stuck to his promise and is keen to tour Australia next year, which promises to be a challenging assignment.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...e-milestone/story-M3C205ZBqeuWE3njgQ3IzJ.html

 

[Last Monetarist]

It will be hard for Anderson to carry on for another 18 months, but his post-lockdown performances are a bit mystifying. He doesn't exactly seem to be finished, as he's bowling a fair bit quicker than he has done at any time in the last 3 or 4 years. Usually as a bowler ages, diminishing pace is a common factor behind any decline. His problem over the last few games seems to be more connected to a lack of match practice and general rustiness. He has been spraying it around and not been consistent with his line and length. If that's really the case, he should be able to regain form soon enough.

 

[Firebat]

Some comments from Wasim Akram on Anderson's performance in that first Test:

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[ishtiaq_ctg]

One of the best English bowlers of All time. But He isn't an all time great as he wont make it to the top 10 pacers of all time. Forget about the away stats, his home stats against Australia & South is ordinary.
( I saw a program in the sky where panel of nasser & robert were comparing Anderson to Mcgrath. Nasser Hussain was saying Anderson was more skillful but Mcgrath somehow got more wickets with a kookabura on those flat aussie pitches whereas Anderson generally struggles with a kookabura. Nasser reluctantly rated Mcgrath a bit higher. Weird actually to say a bowler is more skillful when he cant even get to grips with different cricket balls.

 

[Mamoon]

Although he was bowling to shoddy batsmen, what a privilege it is to watch him bowl.

Unbelievable longevity. He could easily pass for a 32-33 year old.

If you have no appreciation for his marvelous skill you don’t understand cricket.

Certainly a legendary bowler.

 

[Firebat]

Jimmy Anderson reaches 597 Test match wickets, claiming all 4 wickets in the innings so far. Will soon join Kumble, Warne and Murali as the only bowlers with 600+ Test match wickets. Certainly a legend of the game.

 

[Rajdeep]

Although he was bowling to shoddy batsmen, what a privilege it is to watch him bowl.

Unbelievable longevity. He could easily pass for a 32-33 year old.

If you have no appreciation for his marvelous skill you don’t understand cricket.

Certainly a legendary bowler.

He is still the best bowler in English conditions. Even at the age of 38 he is very fit and a fantastic athlete. I dont understand why people wants him to retire. He must continue to play home tests for next few seasons as long as he is bowling well. Its a pleasure to watch him bowl.

 

[Ab Fan]

Great comeback for him. The finest Duke bowl bowler of all-time.

 

[Firebat]

Been 3 wickets away from 600 nearly the whole day, and now he's had 3 catches dropped off his bowling. Should be celebrating 600...

 

[MenInG]

Amazing James Anderson

 

[adzzy786]

Is he an all time great? His average is around 35 when not playing in England. Does that make him an all time great

 

[The Viper]

James Anderson draws level with Glenn McGrath on 29 five-wicket hauls. Among fast bowlers, only Richard Hadlee (36) has more.

 

[ManFan]

Great, yes.

ATG, no.

 

[Mamoon]

Is he an all time great? His average is around 35 when not playing in England. Does that make him an all time great

Away average is only one criteria. It is not the only criteria.

Anderson has more wickets than any other pacer in history. That fact alone makes him a legend.

 

[Ab Fan]

Since 2010, Anderson stats have been ATGesque.

Around 450 wickets @24

Home avg - 21
Away avg - 29
Avg In Asia - 27

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...0;spanval2=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

[Ab Fan]

Away average is only one criteria. It is not the only criteria.

Anderson has more wickets than any other pacer in history. That fact alone makes him a legend.

Not necessarily agree to your last statement. If Broad surpasses Anderson, will you call Broad also a legend?

 

[tyron_woodley]

I believe he is. Is he as good as mcgrath overall ?no.

but with the dukes ball, he is easily one of the best ever.

 

[Abid Z]

Been 3 wickets away from 600 nearly the whole day, and now he's had 3 catches dropped off his bowling. Should be celebrating 600...

No I think your maths is poor it was the same batsman azhar Ali 3 times not 3 different batsmen and that too with azhar pushing for runs with the tail. Anderson will get to and beyond 600 but these are some of the easiest wickets he will take. Subcontinent batsmen with hardly any foot movement under cloudy skies with lights. Yum yum, pass me the ball skipper.

 

[Ab Fan]

Since 2010, Anderson stats have been ATGesque.

Around 450 wickets @24

Home avg - 21
Away avg - 29
Avg In Asia - 27

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...0;spanval2=span;template=results;type=bowling

One for Stuart Broad also. Since 2011,

Around 414 wickets @25.8

Home avg - 24
Away avg - 30
In Asia - 33

 

[topspin]

You can't be an ATG with that away bowling average. Anderson with the Kookaburra isn't the same bowler as he is in England with a Duke cherry in overcast conditions. There's a reason why the Aussies (in particular) call him clouderson.

I'm a big fan of his but lets not get carried away just because of his sheer longevity. For me, he misses out on ATG status.

I rate good players into 3 categories: All-Time Great, Legendary and World Class.

I'd place Anderson in the top tier of the legendary category.

 

[Ab Fan]

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You can't be an ATG with that away bowling average. Anderson with the Kookaburra isn't the same bowler as he is in England with a Duke cherry in overcast conditions. There's a reason why the Aussies (in particular) call him clouderson.

I'm a big fan of his but lets not get carried away just because of his sheer longevity. For me, he misses out on ATG status.

I rate good players into 3 categories: All-Time Great, Legendary and World Class.

I'd place Anderson in the top tier of the legendary category.

Legendary is always bigger than all-rime great. You should call it all-time great, great and world class.

An average of 32 and strike rate of 67 away, poor Jimmy! His stats improve from 2010 though.

Is this the best England have managed to produce in last 50 years?

 

[topspin]

I should also add that he should retire after this test match. I'm sure he'll have 600 wickets by the end of it.

I can understand why Anderson wants to keep playing because he hasn't reaped the lucrative financial rewards like his team mates (Stokes, Archer et al) have from IPL and other T20 leagues.

What England don't need is Anderson and Broad retiring around about the same time. England need to think about this pragmatically and get the succession planning right here. Let Anderson go and have Woakes opening with Broad. First change should be Archer followed by Mark Wood and Ben Stokes in the four man pace attack.

 

[topspin]

Legendary is always bigger than all-rime great. You should call it all-time great, great and world class.

An average of 32 and strike rate of 67 away, poor Jimmy! His stats improve from 2010 though.

Is this the best England have managed to produce in last 50 years?

Compare that with a genuine ATG like Steyn, Anderson's away average pales in comparison. Steyn averages under 25 away from home. If we want to take out his average in England (to ensure it's a fair comparison), he still maintains an away bowling average of under 25.

As for your question, it's between Bob Willis and Anderson. Tough to say really.

I'll tell you something funny and I'm not joking but [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] once claimed Gough and Caddick are both superior to Anderson

 

[Ab Fan]

Compare that with a genuine ATG like Steyn, Anderson's away average pales in comparison. Steyn averages under 25 away from home. If we want to take out his average in England (to ensure it's a fair comparison), he still maintains an away bowling average of under 25.

As for your question, it's between Bob Willis and Anderson. Tough to say really.

I'll tell you something funny and I'm not joking but [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] once claimed Gough and Caddick are both superior to Anderson

Yeah, I am aware of that