[VIDEOS] Is Jimmy Anderson an all-time great?

[topspin]

Legendary is always bigger than all-rime great. You should call it all-time great, great and world class.

An average of 32 and strike rate of 67 away, poor Jimmy! His stats improve from 2010 though.

Is this the best England have managed to produce in last 50 years?

Maybe by language it is but in the cricketing world it isn't.

I'll give you an example, Inzamam is considered to be a legend but is he classified as an ATG batsman? He isn't.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Robert mentioning anything about players pre 2000 should be ignored. He likes to perpetuate the old myth of old being gold which is absolute fallacy. he is delusional. He probably thinks Marcus treschothick is an all time great.

 

[Mamoon]

Not necessarily agree to your last statement. If Broad surpasses Anderson, will you call Broad also a legend?

Yes.

 

[Slog]

He is.

As for his away record. There is no country he hasn't had atleast one good series in. His record since 2010/11 Ashes (still 10 years of cricket) is great. 23.xx overall average and 29 away average.

 

[Savak]

It takes a tremendous amount of hard work, solid work ethic, fitness and character to play for so long.

Anderson has had a few bad tours and series as well which he has learnt lessons from and bounced back from. His performances in the subcontinent, Australia have improved over time

 

[Firebat]

No I think your maths is poor it was the same batsman azhar Ali 3 times not 3 different batsmen and that too with azhar pushing for runs with the tail. Anderson will get to and beyond 600 but these are some of the easiest wickets he will take. Subcontinent batsmen with hardly any foot movement under cloudy skies with lights. Yum yum, pass me the ball skipper.

Yes sorry mine was wrong, but so is yours. Azhar was dropped twice and Abbas once. He should be on 599 wickets.

 

[Abid Z]

Yes sorry mine was wrong, but so is yours. Azhar was dropped twice and Abbas once. He should be on 599 wickets.

Lol. Ok. Either way greatness of Anderson is judged by quantity of wickets not quality of wickets it seems.

 

[Firebat]

England v Pakistan: James Anderson is the GOAT - Dom Bess

James Anderson is English cricket's "GOAT" (greatest of all time), according to team-mate Dom Bess.

Anderson, 38, completed a five-wicket haul in the third Test against Pakistan to move within two of becoming the first paceman to claim 600 victims.

"He's England's greatest," said off-spinner Bess.

"It's phenomenal to stand at point and watch him nick people off, hit people on the shins and take as many poles as he does, so consistently."

Only three other bowlers have taken more than 600 Test wickets - spinners Muttiah Muralitharan, Shane Warne and Anil Kumble.

Anderson will have the chance to join them on Tuesday's fourth day when Pakistan follow on after being bowled out for 273 in reply to England's 583-8 declared.

It comes after a difficult start to the series for the Lancashire man. Following a return of 1-97 in the first Test, he dismissed talk of retirement, saying he was still "hungry" to play for England.

"There was chat about a potential retirement, then he comes back and absolutely tears it up," said Bess, who is playing in his 10th Test. "It just shows how good he is."

The 23-year-old, who was aged five when Anderson made his Test debut in May 2003, added: "Myself, Dom Sibley, Zak Crawley and Ollie Pope have grown up watching him do it."

Anderson, in his 156th Test, would have possibly reached or been closer to the milestone had England not dropped three catches in 10 deliveries off his bowling as the light faded late in the day.

"He's very frustrated," said Bess. "No-one means to drop a catch. It's no excuse, but it was really dark out there."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/53884220

 

[Manunited18]

He is a great no doubt, but ecb have put in place a fantastic platform for him to sololey perform in test cricket.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Dale steyn = 439 wickets at 22.95 with an away average of 24.9
Anderson since 3rd June 2010 = 437 wickets at 23.89 and an away average of 28.3

Even at his peak, jimmy is not in the class of steyn but that gap has narrowed a lot. Certainly the greatest English bowler if we consider the last 10 years. No English bowler has taken as many wickets at a comparable average in their entire career.

 

[leatherface58]

He is a rung below all-time greats but he is definitely one of the best bowlers ever and definitely an English great. Could this be his last test though? I don't see him lasting 5 tests in India or even the Ashes down under.

 

[Thomaskutty]

It is worth noting that despite all the praise, nobody ever picks Anderson in their world XI lists.. deep down they all know he needs the right bowling conditions to give a top performance.

 

[therealAB]

Robert mentioning anything about players pre 2000 should be ignored. He likes to perpetuate the old myth of old being gold which is absolute fallacy. he is delusional. He probably thinks Marcus treschothick is an all time great.

As a n the Marcus Tresothick who did not play a single test last century. Definitely not old era

 

[therealAB]

Since 2010, Anderson stats have been ATGesque.

Around 450 wickets @24

Home avg - 21
Away avg - 29
Avg In Asia - 27

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...0;spanval2=span;template=results;type=bowling

Still cannot name any ATG bowlers who average 29 away

 

[therealAB]

Great comeback for him. The finest Duke bowl bowler of all-time.

I wouldn’t say that. Lots of overseas bowlers like McGrath, Alderman and Ambrose have ridiculous records with the duke

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He's a great swing bowler in the right conditions, which bowler doesn't need conditions to suit them? His record speaks for itself, I don't really know why anyone would argue with his all time great credentials.

 

[tyron_woodley]

As a n the Marcus Tresothick who did not play a single test last century. Definitely not old era

was an example.

 

[therealAB]

was an example.

If you realise that he debuted 3 years before Anderson you will realise it is a terrible example that fails to make a point, especially considering Robert would not consider him an ATG

 

[James]

For some reason I’m still not quite there with the ATG tag.

Great bowler yes, England ATG yes, all-time England XI yes.

But ATG in the context of cricket history.... maybe he is just a hairline off that.

 

[tyron_woodley]

If you realise that he debuted 3 years before Anderson you will realise it is a terrible example that fails to make a point, especially considering Robert would not consider him an ATG

he probably would rate a mediocre player like trashcothick at an ATG level. That was my point. Englund just suck. Pure English players I mean. Without imports they can't win. Always been that way in almost every sport.

 

[Ab Fan]

I wouldn’t say that. Lots of overseas bowlers like McGrath, Alderman and Ambrose have ridiculous records with the duke

Did they took that many test wickets at that average? Anderson is clearly the greatest Duke bowl bowler of all-time although just decent enough with Kookaburra and SG.

Steyn and McGrath are true ATG though.

 

[therealAB]

Did they took that many test wickets at that average? Anderson is clearly the greatest Duke bowl bowler of all-time although just decent enough with Kookaburra and SG.

Steyn and McGrath are true ATG though.

McGrath took 6 WPM, with a strike rate of less than 40 and an average of less than 20 in England
Alderman took 7 WPM at an average of less than 20, strike rate less than 43
Both bowlers are just much better with the duke than Anderson, the fact that he played in ENgland more doesn't change the fact that they were much better bowlers in English conditions with the duke ball

 

[therealAB]

he probably would rate a mediocre player like trashcothick at an ATG level. That was my point. Englund just suck. Pure English players I mean. Without imports they can't win. Always been that way in almost every sport.

Ask him if he does, I guarantee that he will not rate him an ATG.
Also, Trescothick is by no means mediocre. Would be the best opening bat in the world ATM
Also, is your issue with past era players or English players in general

 

[tyron_woodley]

Ask him if he does, I guarantee that he will not rate him an ATG.
Also, Trescothick is by no means mediocre. Would be the best opening bat in the world ATM
Also, is your issue with past era players or English players in general

both but English players just suck in general without imports. Imports make their team competitive. Cold hard truth. Full credit should be given to saffers actually.

treschotick would be a one trick pony in the modern era. modern era bowlers are better and would easily figure him out. He would be a sibley at best.

It's all conjecture again. It's all nostalgia for the oldies. Unfortunately that's not how it works. You can only dominate your era unless you are tenda or someone like him who dominated across era's.

 

[tyron_woodley]

McGrath took 6 WPM, with a strike rate of less than 40 and an average of less than 20 in England
Alderman took 7 WPM at an average of less than 20, strike rate less than 43
Both bowlers are just much better with the duke than Anderson, the fact that he played in ENgland more doesn't change the fact that they were much better bowlers in English conditions with the duke ball

so? they played under different rules. Csnt compare them. Anderson's record is more Impressive given he plays in a far more batsman friendly environment.

 

[therealAB]

so? they played under different rules. Csnt compare them. Anderson's record is more Impressive given he plays in a far more batsman friendly environment.

What do you mean, English conditions have been consistently bowler friendly during Anderson's career, more so than during Mcgrath's definitely

 

[Robert]

Yeah, I am aware of that

I stand by it. Anderson feasts on T20 sloggers in helpful conditions. Put him in Australia where the ball doesn’t move and he became a stock bowler. But Gough and Caddick took fivefers and tenfers in Australia against proper test batting sides with Waugh and Ponting.

 

[MenInG]

Amazing bowler.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I stand by it. Anderson feasts on T20 sloggers in helpful conditions. Put him in Australia where the ball doesn’t move and he became a stock bowler. But Gough and Caddick took fivefers and tenfers in Australia against proper test batting sides with Waugh and Ponting.

Who are the T20 sloggers in test teams.?
Smith,labuschagne,Khawaja,Burns,Warner,Paine,Wade?
Agarwal,kohli,Pujara,rahane,vihari?
Latham,blundell, Williamson,Nicholls,Taylor,watling,
Masood, Ali,Shafiq,Azam,Rizwan,Fawad.

T20 sloggers do not play tests and even if they do their career is short.

 

[Robert]

If you realise that he debuted 3 years before Anderson you will realise it is a terrible example that fails to make a point, especially considering Robert would not consider him an ATG

Well, Tres averaged fifty in England, though he didn’t travel so well. Anyone who can hit 200 to win chasing in the fourth innings against SA when they were still powerful has got to be significant. He was a big factor in the England side that won seven on the bounce in 2004, won in SA then won the Ashes back in 2005.

He would walk into the current England side.

I wouldn’t put him in the Len Hutton league but he was very effective. Fine ODI man too.

 

[sindhiboy]

both but English players just suck in general without imports. Imports make their team competitive. Cold hard truth. Full credit should be given to saffers actually.

treschotick would be a one trick pony in the modern era. modern era bowlers are better and would easily figure him out. He would be a sibley at best.

It's all conjecture again. It's all nostalgia for the oldies. Unfortunately that's not how it works. You can only dominate your era unless you are tenda or someone like him who dominated across era's.

Robin Smith, Gooch, Alec Stewart and Gower were quality batsman against tough bowlers.

Wasim akram said Alec Stewart was one of the best batsman he bowled against. If akram rates someone, they must be good

 

[James]

I stand by it. Anderson feasts on T20 sloggers in helpful conditions. Put him in Australia where the ball doesn’t move and he became a stock bowler. But Gough and Caddick took fivefers and tenfers in Australia against proper test batting sides with Waugh and Ponting.

To be fair, Anderson did take 24 wickets in the 2010/11 Ashes series in Australia against a batting lineup with Ponting, Clarke and Hussey.

 

[Robert]

Who are the T20 sloggers in test teams.?
Smith,labuschagne,Khawaja,Burns,Warner,Paine,Wade?
Agarwal,kohli,Pujara,rahane,vihari?
Latham,blundell, Williamson,Nicholls,Taylor,watling,
Masood, Ali,Shafiq,Azam,Rizwan,Fawad.

T20 sloggers do not play tests and even if they do their career is short.

The whole Indian team except Kohli. Look at what happened in 2018.
The whole Pakistan team except Babar.
The whole Australian team except Warner, Labuschagne and Smith.

These guys have terrible defensive techniques. If you put them up against seventies, eighties and nineties bowlers they would be opened up like a tin of beans. That’s why there are so few drawn tests now.

Whereas if you put Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Azhar, Miandad, Salim, Inzi, YK, Border, Waugh up against Anderson and Broad they would be hitting centuries because they had tight techniques and would wait for the bad ball.

 

[Robert]

To be fair, Anderson did take 24 wickets in the 2010/11 Ashes series in Australia against a batting lineup with Ponting, Clarke and Hussey.

True but look at the mountain of runs at his back courtesy of Strauss and co. Scoreboard pressure is a factor.

I rate Anderson, he is probably the best English FM swinger of my time. I just find it risible that he is considered a god because he has played into a time when a lot of visiting players don’t have the skills to survive for long against him. You put a prime Botham, Cork or Hoggard into this side and they would be tearing up trees too.

 

[Shazzam]

Amazing bowler.

Once he beats Kumble he should retire.

 

[Ab Fan]

I stand by it. Anderson feasts on T20 sloggers in helpful conditions. Put him in Australia where the ball doesn’t move and he became a stock bowler. But Gough and Caddick took fivefers and tenfers in Australia against proper test batting sides with Waugh and Ponting.

Taking a fivefer or tenfer in certain conditions where A & B might not have taken isn't enough to be considered a better bowler. You have to do it for a longer period of time.

Remember, the Australian conditions back in 90s or early 00s, they were much better for bowling than we have seen since 2009. The pitches in the previous decade in Australia have been flatter making it harder for opposition bowlers.

Again same thing. You put Curtly Ambrose in India with SG Ball and he may struggle as well. You put Kapil Dev in Windies and he has ATG numbers against the greatest Windies team.

There is a reason why Gough and Caddick never won England an Ashes throughout the 90s but under Anderson and Broad, England had never lost an Ashes at home since their debut. #Fact.

 

[Robert]

Taking a fivefer or tenfer in certain conditions where A & B might not have taken isn't enough to be considered a better bowler. You have to do it for a longer period of time.

Remember, the Australian conditions back in 90s or early 00s, they were much better for bowling than we have seen since 2009. The pitches in the previous decade in Australia have been flatter making it harder for opposition bowlers.

Again same thing. You put Curtly Ambrose in India with SG Ball and he may struggle as well. You put Kapil Dev in Windies and he has ATG numbers against the greatest Windies team.

There is a reason why Gough and Caddick never won England an Ashes throughout the 90s but under Anderson and Broad, England had never lost an Ashes at home since their debut. #Fact.

Not one reason but several.

For starters the AUS sides that G&C faced were much stronger. They had McGrath and Warne and a more resilient batting unit.

Secondly A&B are blessed to have come up in the ECB central contracts era which has made it much easier to stay fit. Had they come up in the nineties they would have had sixty tests and 200 wickets each like G&C.

Thirdly, England had Swann for five years from 2008, their best offspinner arguably since Laker.

Fourthly, Australian players these days have limited experience in English conditions unlike the Borders and Waugh and Langers who had CC jobs and learned how to bat here.

Fifthly, the Strauss batting side was stronger than the ones G&C played with.

 

[tyron_woodley]

What do you mean, English conditions have been consistently bowler friendly during Anderson's career, more so than during Mcgrath's definitely

mcgrath is post 90s though. ofcourse mcgrath is a level above Anderson.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The whole Indian team except Kohli. Look at what happened in 2018.
The whole Pakistan team except Babar.
The whole Australian team except Warner, Labuschagne and Smith.

These guys have terrible defensive techniques. If you put them up against seventies, eighties and nineties bowlers they would be opened up like a tin of beans. That’s why there are so few drawn tests now.

Whereas if you put Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Azhar, Miandad, Salim, Inzi, YK, Border, Waugh up against Anderson and Broad they would be hitting centuries because they had tight techniques and would wait for the bad ball.

not really. That's all pure conjecture. modern players play across 3 formats. much harder to get acclimated. Give them time to prepare for tests and they will perform just as well.

All those past greats will also be heavily scrutinized by the analytics team to find out their bowling patterns etc. They will get figured out and be taken apart.

 

[Firebat]

WASIM AKRAM, meanwhile, marvels at Anderson's longevity...

"Despite so many Test matches, he's still running in every day, every ball, so that shows the passion to play is still very much there. When I was 37, every day became hard for me, but he is still physically ready for it and is bowling brilliantly, with consistent pace."

MIKEY HOLDING on Anderson speaking on Sky Sports:

"Huge. Only three spinner are above him. To play that many Test matches shows, not just dedication, but you have to be extremely fit and talented. 600 wickets - wow, that's a huge number!"

 

[Manunited18]

The whole Indian team except Kohli. Look at what happened in 2018.
The whole Pakistan team except Babar.
The whole Australian team except Warner, Labuschagne and Smith.

These guys have terrible defensive techniques. If you put them up against seventies, eighties and nineties bowlers they would be opened up like a tin of beans. That’s why there are so few drawn tests now.

Whereas if you put Gavaskar, Vengsarkar, Azhar, Miandad, Salim, Inzi, YK, Border, Waugh up against Anderson and Broad they would be hitting centuries because they had tight techniques and would wait for the bad ball.

Agree Rob, the art of test batting has more or less gone, apart from a few players , batting standards in test cricket are embarrassing

 

[Manunited18]

both but English players just suck in general without imports. Imports make their team competitive. Cold hard truth. Full credit should be given to saffers actually.

treschotick would be a one trick pony in the modern era. modern era bowlers are better and would easily figure him out. He would be a sibley at best.

It's all conjecture again. It's all nostalgia for the oldies. Unfortunately that's not how it works. You can only dominate your era unless you are tenda or someone like him who dominated across era's.

That is not true , England has produced some of the finest cricketers I've ever seen, gooch, botham, David gower and possibly broad and Anderson for England

 

[Firebat]

Anderson has been getting better and better with age and experience:

 

[therealAB]

not really. That's all pure conjecture. modern players play across 3 formats. much harder to get acclimated. Give them time to prepare for tests and they will perform just as well.

All those past greats will also be heavily scrutinized by the analytics team to find out their bowling patterns etc. They will get figured out and be taken apart.

Analytics obviously works both was so you don’t have a point there
With the formats stuff, that is the height of conjecture. The act is they don’t have the skills to perform in the ultimate form of the game

 

[tyron_woodley]

Analytics obviously works both was so you don’t have a point there
With the formats stuff, that is the height of conjecture. The act is they don’t have the skills to perform in the ultimate form of the game

they do. Test is not where the money is though hence most cricketer prioritize t20 and odi where the real money is made. If they focus entirely on test cricket like players of old times then their technique would be just as effective if not better.

I do have a point as bowlers of the past era's played in a far more bowling friendly environment. Players now have to play various tournaments across formats and also participate in franchize t20 league plus domestic first class matche.s

 

[Firebat]

Don't think anyone would be hoping more for Anderson to get his 600th than Broad & Burns (who both dropped Azhar), Crawley (who dropped Abbas) and Buttler (who dropped Shan), all off Jimmy's bowling.

His teammates really trying to stop him retiring by not letting him get to 600 )

 

[Abdullah719]

Misses the chance to be the fastest to 600 in terms of balls bowled. Had to get there within 13.1 overs in this innings.

Don’t think he’ll lose much sleep over it as long as he gets the 600th soon…

 

[The Viper]

Over 60 – Pakistan 105-2 (Azhar 30, Babar 8) - TRAIL BY 205

Disastrous news for Anderson – he cannot get to 600 quicker than any other player after bowling too many deliveries to topple Sri Lanka legend Muttiah Muralitharan on that front. Murali achieved the feat from 33,711 deliveries, if you are interested. Babar lights up this Anderson over with a gorgeous cover drive for three.

 

[sweep_shot]

 

[QalandarFan]

This shouldn’t even be up for debate anymore.

 

[Firebat]

He's certainly a great of Test cricket, but my personal opinion is that I wouldn't pick him over the likes of Warne, Murali, Akram, McGrath, Walsh, Ambrose etc. For me he's just not in that league, in terms of peak quality.

His longevity and consistency however, over such a long period of time especially for a fast bowler, is absolutely remarkable and is certainly second to absolutely none.

 

[tyron_woodley]

He's certainly a great of Test cricket, but my personal opinion is that I wouldn't pick him over the likes of Warne, Murali, Akram, McGrath, Walsh, Ambrose etc. For me he's just not in that league, in terms of peak quality.

His longevity and consistency however, over such a long period of time especially for a fast bowler, is absolutely remarkable and is certainly second to absolutely none.

it's because he only plays one format.

 

[MenInG]

James Anderson says he did not think he was "good enough" for Test cricket when he made his England debut 18 years ago.

However, England's leading Test wicket-taker, 38, is poised to overtake former captain Sir Alastair Cook as the nation's most capped Test player.

Anderson joined Cook on 161 appearances in last week's drawn first Test against New Zealand, with the second Test starting on Thursday at Edgbaston.

"Knowing how much Cooky played I'm proud I've got to this point," he said.

Anderson made his Test debut for England against Zimbabwe at Lord's in 2003.

Despite taking a five-wicket haul in the first innings, he says it felt like "a huge step up from county cricket" and it took him "a few years" to realise he could perform at the highest level.

"My first ball was a no-ball and there were a lot of nerves there," he said.

"I remember Nasser Hussain didn't have a fine leg for me and I went for quite a few runs.

"No disrespect to Zimbabwe but playing against teams like South Africa, Australia and India, once you put in performances against the top teams in the world, that's when you think you can perform at that level.

"It did take a few years and a few tours around the world to make me think I could do it."

Graphic showing most Test caps for England - James Anderson 161, Sir Alastair Cook 161, Stuart Broad 147, Alec Stewart 133, Ian Bell 118
The Burnley-born bowler is fourth on the list of all-time wicket-takers in Test cricket with 616 dismissals at an average of 26.58.

He has taken more wickets than any other seamer in this history of Test cricket, and needs four more to overtake former India spinner Anil Kumble in third place.

Australia leg-spinner Shane Warne (708) is in second place with Sri Lanka's Muttiah Muralitharan topping the list with 800 wickets to his name.

Lancashire's Anderson is also six dismissals away from reaching 1000 first-class wickets.

BBC

 

[OMB]

James Anderson is going to start this Test, making him the most capped England player. He goes past Sir Alastair Cook's 161 Test caps. Just another feather in the cap for England's premier bowler

 

[Rajdeep]

For me, Anderson is definitely an ATG.

Different people interpret ATG tags differently. Most consider stats like averages, strike rates, performing in alien conditions away from home etc when deciding if a player is an ATG. But they tend to ignore the longevity part.

Anderson have turned up for Eng year after year, summer after summer and continue to take wickets in bulk. Performing at the top for so long, maintaining fitness and hunger is definitely a hallmark of ATG.

 

[Ab Fan]

England's fourth greatest bowler ever and the only all-time great representation from England since Ian Botham.

 

[MenInG]

James Anderson currently has figures of 7-5-3-5 for Lancashire against Kent - the last taking him to 1,000 First-Class wickets.

What a bowler!

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Anderson has today reached the milestone of 1000 first-class wickets. What a brilliant bowler, what a fantastic achievement <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1412048996000993286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[Firebat]

Anderson's 7 wickets today:

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[Saj]

1000 first-class wickets is a brilliant achievement from a great bowler.

He just keeps on going and who knows how many more years he's got left in him.

Legend.

 

[MenInG]

James Anderson turns 39 today. The number might give an impression that the modern-day great is nearing retirement but a look at his performance and it’s clear age is just a number for the pacer who continues to be in brilliant shape and keeps adding wickets to his ever-growing tally. Starting is career in 2003, Anderson has become one of the greatest Test cricketers to have played the game.

In 162 Test matches played so far, he has claimed a staggering 617 wickets - the only pacer in history to cross the 600-wicket mark in the format.

He’s just three wickets away from overtaking India’s Anil Kumble (619) to secure the third spot in the list of highest Test wicket takers.

The 617 wickets include three ten-wicket hauls and 30 fifers, with a best-figures reading 7/42. In his illustrious Test career which spans nearly 18 years, we look back at some of Anderson’s finest spells in Test cricket.


5/73 vs Zimbabwe, Lord’s 2003

Back when it all started. A young 20-year-old lad named James Anderson was selected in the England Test squad for the series against Zimbabwe, making his debut at the Mecca of Cricket, Lord’s. A rookie who took the cricketing world by storm as he claimed his maiden fifer, picking up 5/73 in the first innings.

The jitters were there as Anderson conceded 17 runs in his first over, but came back strong to claim four wickets after lunch, by applying late swing. At the time, he became the first Englishman to claim a fifer on debut since Dominic Cork (1995).


7/43 vs New Zealand, Trent Bridge 2008

During the early part of his career, Anderson was in and out of the squad frequently, claiming 80 wickets in 24 Test matches played. Being brought back to the side in 2008, England pinned their hopes on Anderson to make the ball swing. The hosts posted 364 in the first innings, courtesy of Kevin Pietersen’s 115 along with Stuart Broad and Tim Ambrose’s half-centuries.

Anderson stepped up and went on to register figures of 7/43 and 2/55 as England steamrolled New Zealand to win the match by an innings and nine runs.

He went on to claim 19 wickets in three Test played in the tour.


10/158 vs Australia, Trent Bridge 2013

Trent Bridge is Anderson’s favourite hunting ground and there is no denying that. The best performances from Anderson have come at Nottingham and in this particular clash, he registered another ten-for. In an insanely thrilling Test match, England beat Australia by 14 runs, courtesy of the pacer’s 5/85 and 5/73 (10/158) across the two innings.


11/71 vs Pakistan, Trent Bridge 2010

One of Anderson’s greatest spells came against Pakistan in 2010. The pace spearhead claimed 11 wickets in two innings and helped England (354 & 262/9d) beat Pakistan (182 & 80) by a whopping 354 runs. He picked 5/54 in the first innings, but what was more crucial, was he alone removed the Pakistan top order.


https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...p-bowling-spells-in-test-cricket-4023539.html

 

[Firebat]

With 2 wickets this morning, Jimmy Anderson moves level with Anil Kumble on 619 Test wickets. Only Murali and Warne have more:

 

[raashidkhan89079]

If anderson plays 20 more tests he will beat warne

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Jimmy Anderson has the most beautiful bowling action in world cricket at the moment. Hope he carries on for another couple of years.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Not an ATG but borderline. An ATG is a bowler you would pick in an ATG squad. If I had to pick and choose 5 ATG squads, Anderson wouldn't qualify for any of them.

From this era, I see three potential ATG candidates - Cummins, Rabada and Ashwin. Anderson is a notch below all 3.

 

[Mamoon]

At this point, you have to be complete bonkers to think he is isn’t.

He has 620 wickets to his name with match-winning spells in every country.

He has got the better off some of the greatest batsmen ever and has a very high percentage of top-order wickets.

At 39, he is still absolute world class.

Forget Warne - he can actually go past Muralitharan if he wants. He is a freak.

The GOAT English bowler and one of the greatest overall.

Watching Anderson swing the ball both ways is one of the greatest sights ever in Test cricket.

 

[Rajdeep]

He is an absolute ATG. Forget about everything, just for his longevity alone he is an ATG in my book

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Anderson is an ATG.

No ifs and buts.

His ability to come and change the game in a spell or two has gone to the next level in his old age.

Incredible incredible bowler.

He is so good that India can't relax even with a 1-0 lead cos he can come and wreck you in the next 2 games and swing the series.

After Mcgrath, he is the scariest bowler for an Indian fan.

Maybe even above Mcgrath cos we play in England so often and have to deal with this guy.

Even Steyn didn't torture us this much.

 

[Mamoon]

Think India got lucky yesterday with the light.

Anderson was in the zone and could have given England a 10-15 runs lead with a 6 wicket haul.

Jadeja + the tail wouldn’t have lasted against him in those conditions.

The Rahul-Pant partnership would have been crucial. Considering how many risks Pant takes, you would expect him to nick one in those conditions.

 

[topspin]

Not an ATG but borderline. An ATG is a bowler you would pick in an ATG squad. If I had to pick and choose 5 ATG squads, Anderson wouldn't qualify for any of them.

From this era, I see three potential ATG candidates - Cummins, Rabada and Ashwin. Anderson is a notch below all 3.

Bang on. He just misses out.

You can't be an ATG bowler with an away average in excess of 30.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Bang on. He just misses out.

You can't be an ATG bowler with an away average in excess of 30.

Overall career stats can be misleading.

Pretty sure he has an incredible away average for the last 400 or 500 wickets.

 

[silentkiller187]

if wasim was considered ATG then anderson is defo ATG

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Overall career stats...SRT averaged 53.

Comparable to so many bats.

But dig a bit deeper and you will see numbers no bat has produced.

Like average of 56 until 2011 Wc for around 170 odd tests.

Or average of 59 from 1993 to 2011 over an 18 year period.

No batsman apart from Gary sobers had similar numbers. And Tendulkar faced a lot lot lot more variety of bowlers.

Same way Anderson in his last 400 odd wickets has been incredible home or away.

It doesnt matter if his overall away average is 30 or 40.

He may not be a top 5 pacer overall...but he surely is an ATG.

 

[topspin]

Overall career stats can be misleading.

Pretty sure he has an incredible away average for the last 400 or 500 wickets.

His current away average is 30.86 but if he can get it down to under 30 then I'll consider him as a bonafide ATG.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Maybe even above Mcgrath cos we play in England so often and have to deal with this guy.
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Nah, no one comes near Mcgrath. He made us shiver irrespective of color of clothes and conditions.

James Anderson is the Anil Kumble of fast bowling, if Kumble isn't an ATG, then neither is Anderson.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

A good comparison is Courtney Walsh against his own predecessors Michael Holding or Andy Roberts - even if Walsh had 500 test wickets and could be seen as a great in some way, but would you bracket him in the same ATG class as Holding or Roberts? I wouldn't even if the latter duo have less than 500 test wickets combined.

And in same way Abdul Qadir with 200 odd test wickets was a far more gifted and skilful leg spinner than Kumble ever was, and in right conditions a more threatening prospect for batsmen.

Quantity and quality are two different things, that's not to say Anderson is not quality , but not quite premium quality either.

I get your point and i agree but not fully. In my humble opinion, in order to designate someone as ATG overall number of wickets taken is also a important criteria. Afterall, the job of a bowler is to take wickets. Overall number of wickets signify longevity and dominance over a period of time. Personally, i value away records the most for a bowler. I also value versatility i.e. performances in all formats: tests/odi/T20. So, in my book Mcgrath, Wasim and Steyn will always be a notch above him.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Nah, no one comes near Mcgrath. He made us shiver irrespective of color of clothes and conditions.

James Anderson is the Anil Kumble of fast bowling, if Kumble isn't an ATG, then neither is Anderson.

I was talking about Mcgrath the test bowler against us.

Overall across formats, its Mcgrath hands down.

But talking purely about tests......

He was scarier for other reasons too.

1. India was at its weakest point while Aus was at its strongest.

2. Whenever we faced Mcgrath in tests, we were super weak.

Lets take a look:

1. 1996 at home was an aberration. We destroyed Aus in the singular test at home.

2. 1999 test series was a joke. Mcgrath got to feast on some hopeless batting except Tendulkar. Vvs was new and opening (smashed 167 in the 3rd test). Dravid was new and was owned badly. Openers were a joke.

3. 2001 series we won inspite of Mcgrath from an impossible situation.

4. 2004 at home we had a good unit (albeit without Tendu except for the last test). Add in infighting, shashank manohar betraying us in Nagpur, the chennai test which we should have win rained off.....and you can see it was a good battle. On top of that, it was Gillespie who killed us mainly in that series.

Now compare Anderson.

Destroyed India in 2011 ( weak team true).

Destroyed India in India in 2012 (again weak team but conditions were way more challenging for him)

Destroyed India in 2014.

Destroyed India in 2018.

Even won a test against India in 2021.

Made our greatest ever bat his bunny.

Made our modern great bat his bunny.

Psychologically inflicted such scarring our batsman would lose form and their technique.

And these weren't like shiv sundar das, vijay bharadwaj type bats.

Anderson is incredible.

As for Kumble....it depends on how you rate spinners.

He was a great spinner no doubt....ATG depends on our definition.

How many away series did he have a great impact?

Except Aus 2003....and a few matches here and there overseas.

Ashwin too is in the same boat. Jury is out on him. Time will tell.

Anderson on the other hand had incredible series in India, Aus, UAE (atleast statistically), SL and has won many many away games with his impact.

Also Anderson has ATG level stats for 400 wickets atleast which is incredible.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Nah, no one comes near Mcgrath. He made us shiver irrespective of color of clothes and conditions.

Also it could be due to us facing Anderson more times as I mentioned.

Mcgrath simply wasnt challenged much in tests against us.

Maybe if we had played him as often as Anderson, he would have torn us apart.

 

[Ab Fan]

Anderson is a great but McGrath, Steyn, Wasim and Ambrose are in different league.

In 2013 tour to Australia and 2016 tour to South Africa, Anderson looked like a deer in headlight when Broad was owning opposition batsman. He needs to be given credit for his longevity and performance at home but away, he has not achieved as much as other ATGs have achieved.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Also Anderson has ATG level stats for 400 wickets atleast which is incredible.

The last point you made is really convincing, I saw his stats since 2015, I ran a query

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...;spanval1=span;template=results;type=allround

Now in the last 6 years he has averaged 27 away from home (against non minnows)
and has taken 70 wickets in those nations which I think is good enough to end all the debates about how guys like Philander or Bob willis or Caddick or all other 200 wkts taking bowlers are better than him, coz this 6 years duration of Anderson is good enough to surpass their career.

Still even if you take any part of his career he doesn't have ATG away stats, that's why I think Kumble is on par.
The Impact of Kumble will always be lesser coz he didn't have great support cast to pair up with. Anderson does.

Also don't agree with Kohli being his bunny, he averages 40 against Anderson and has dominated him except one series.
Anderson actually didn't even trouble him in Indian conditions