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He is good LOI player but nothing extraordinary. Will play few such knocks here and there and end with 6000 ODI runs and AVG 42 at S/R of 87.
Ganbhir level in odis.
Which tbh is very good.
Please dont embarrass yourselfThat has to be a joke.
He is a superb ODI batsman. One day, test or whatever, it's an insult to mention Ghambir along him.
As I already said, he doesn't play LOI for stats like other same type player: Kohli, Babar, Williamson, Root.
All of them, coming in the same situation, against a good bowling attack would have gone to a 50-ball 50.
Smith plays a situation every time in every format.
That has to be a joke.
He is a superb ODI batsman. One day, test or whatever, it's an insult to mention Ghambir along him.
As I already said, he doesn't play LOI for stats like other same type player: Kohli, Babar, Williamson, Root.
All of them, coming in the same situation, against a good bowling attack would have gone to a 50-ball 50.
Smith plays a situation every time in every format.
Gambhir averages 40 in odis at 85 strike rate steve smith avgs 43 at 87.Considering the fact that steve smith played mostly after 2013 actually Gambhirs stats are better than him.
You are underrating gambhir and overrating smith
Please dont embarrass yourself
Do you really think Smith is a better hitter than Kohli. Have you seen him bat in t20s. Also i can post n no. Of innings like these played by kohli.
Agree with others, azam, root, williamson don't have a 4th gear.
Sri Lanka was a top side during gambhirs time. This happens when you want to make an argument out of nothing.Sorry to say but man you don't understand cricket at all. It's sad to bring in Stats to prove that Smith is better than Gambhir.
It will be only and last post on Gambhir vs Smith in any format.
Both performances against top teams :
Smith has scored all his 10 hundreds against the top 5 bowling attacks : England, SA, Pakistan, India and NZ.
Ghambir has only 3 against them, he averages 15 vs SA, 31 vs Aus, 28 vs Pakistan, 36 vs England and 73 vs NZ.
Sorry state of cricket fans.
Sri Lanka was a top side during gambhirs time. This happens when you want to make an argument out of nothing.
Smith averages 33 against eng to gambhirs 36,40 vs nz to gambhirs 73 and against sa and pak smith is better. Not much to choose from. I"ll repeat Gambhir is at the same level as smith in odis no doubt about that.
Exactly. In his first 33 ODI innings he had no 50s or 100s. Which skew his statistics. Since then he averages 49 at 89.He can be as devastating as AB when needed. Don't let his ODI/T20 stats fool you. He is a living legend. One of a kind.
He can be as devastating as AB when needed. Don't let his ODI/T20 stats fool you. He is a living legend. One of a kind.
Smith turns into ODI version of Bradman against India.
Against all other sides, he has seriously underperformed and his numbers are dirt poor for a player of his capabilities.
He should have had 30+ ODI hundreds at this stage of his career.
Again, don’t give me this rubbish that he doesn’t care about bilaterals. He is a competitor who loves scoring runs.
It is not as if he turns up against Pakistan, England, South Africa or New Zealand and says that hey I am not going to score today because it just a bilateral match.
Had he failed in this series the same people would say that he doesn’t care about this series because it is only a bilateral and he brought his A game against India in the 2015 World Cup semifinal.
So please keep illogical and dumb comments out of the way. Smith has underachieved massively in white ball cricket and there are no questions about it.
He should have had far, far better numbers at this stage of his career.
Smith turns into ODI version of Bradman against India.
Against all other sides, he has seriously underperformed and his numbers are dirt poor for a player of his capabilities.
He should have had 30+ ODI hundreds at this stage of his career.
Again, don’t give me this rubbish that he doesn’t care about bilaterals. He is a competitor who loves scoring runs.
It is not as if he turns up against Pakistan, England, South Africa or New Zealand and says that hey I am not going to score today because it just a bilateral match.
Had he failed in this series the same people would say that he doesn’t care about this series because it is only a bilateral and he brought his A game against India in the 2015 World Cup semifinal.
So please keep illogical and dumb comments out of the way. Smith has underachieved massively in white ball cricket and there are no questions about it.
He should have had far, far better numbers at this stage of his career.
Overall numbers are flowed for Steven Smith because he didn't played as a batsman in the start;
How do you want him to score 30 hundreds when he has played around 80 innings as a batsman?
If you look at his stat as a one down against NZ, Eng, SA, India and Pakistan they are brilliant - 10 hundreds in 53 innings with Averages of 50, 48, 30, 72 and 54 respectively. The only bad one is SA.
Overall numbers are flowed for Steven Smith because he didn't played as a batsman in the start;
How do you want him to score 30 hundreds when he has played around 80 innings as a batsman?
If you look at his stat as a one down against NZ, Eng, SA, India and Pakistan they are brilliant - 10 hundreds in 53 innings with Averages of 50, 48, 30, 72 and 54 respectively. The only bad one is SA.
Forgot to say that your first comment after two- 62 ball hundreds has nothing positif about him, just negativity- surprising...
He saving runs for Border - Gavaskar series.
Today he was even better than in the first ODI. He was litteraly toying with Indian bowlers.Different level is Smith.
He knows his game so well and his hitting zones.
At times his strokeplay is effortless.
Brilliant to watch.
What are his away averages outside Australia and Sydney?
Smith outside of Australia
In england 59
In india 60
New zeleand 131
South africa 41
He only struggled against south africa and sri lanka
Smith a 1000 times better than the try-hard Kohli.
Smith turns into ODI version of Bradman against India.
Against all other sides, he has seriously underperformed and his numbers are dirt poor for a player of his capabilities.
He should have had 30+ ODI hundreds at this stage of his career.
Again, don’t give me this rubbish that he doesn’t care about bilaterals. He is a competitor who loves scoring runs.
It is not as if he turns up against Pakistan, England, South Africa or New Zealand and says that hey I am not going to score today because it just a bilateral match.
Had he failed in this series the same people would say that he doesn’t care about this series because it is only a bilateral and he brought his A game against India in the 2015 World Cup semifinal.
So please keep illogical and dumb comments out of the way. Smith has underachieved massively in white ball cricket and there are no questions about it.
He should have had far, far better numbers at this stage of his career.
Smith turns into ODI version of Bradman against India.
Against all other sides, he has seriously underperformed and his numbers are dirt poor for a player of his capabilities.
He should have had 30+ ODI hundreds at this stage of his career.
Again, don’t give me this rubbish that he doesn’t care about bilaterals. He is a competitor who loves scoring runs.
It is not as if he turns up against Pakistan, England, South Africa or New Zealand and says that hey I am not going to score today because it just a bilateral match.
Had he failed in this series the same people would say that he doesn’t care about this series because it is only a bilateral and he brought his A game against India in the 2015 World Cup semifinal.
So please keep illogical and dumb comments out of the way. Smith has underachieved massively in white ball cricket and there are no questions about it.
He should have had far, far better numbers at this stage of his career.
He clearly doesn’t care. I don’t know why that’s hard to believe. Even in ‘marquee’ bilateral ODI series such as this one his record goes up. Btw his ODI record looks worse than it is because he played bunch of matches as a #7-8 all rounder at start of his career. Never played many matches in that role in tests which is why his Test stats aren’t reflective of that period. If you look at his ODI record post 2013-14 he has a good record in ICC tournaments and marquee ODI series’
I think he has time to make up for it to an extent. I remember Sanga going on a tear in his last few years, and really bumped up his average and number of centuries in ODIs. Smith won't get Kohli-level stats in ODIs, but will likely retire a cut above rest.
Smith is a very good ODI batsman, but most of his tons are at home. The twin tons were monstrous knocks, but I wouldn't rate him more than Kohli, Rohit or even Root in the ODI format.
Ominous signs for India in the Test series with Smith in this touch.
That is not always the case. The problem is that people who do not want to accept that he has underperformed in ODIs always excuse his failures by saying that he didn’t care.
They use his performance in the series to decide if it was important or not, which basically eliminates the possibility that he tried and failed.
If Smith doesn’t score = he didn’t care
England thrashed Australia 4-1 in Australia in 2017-18 and Smith couldn’t buy a run. England were #1 at the time and it was certainly a marquee series.
Had he dominated that series we would have told that it was a marquee series and Smith brought his A game as usual.
Now that he didn’t score, it has suddenly become an unimportant series.
I bet that if he failed in this ongoing Indian series, the justification would have been that he doesn’t care about bilaterals and is saving his best for the Test series.
Now that he has performed brilliantly, he is being praised for performing in big series.
People who do not want to accept that he has underperformed in ODIs fail to see this fallacy in their argument.
Also, it is not about his overall stats. Of course they are diluted because of his early days. However, post 2015 World Cup when he had already established himself as an elite Test batsman and a top order ODI player, he is averaging less a lot of inferior ODI players and hasn’t been close to the numbers of Kohli, Rohit and de Villiers.
Potential wise he is right up there and should have produced similar numbers.
All this talk of he doesn’t care is just hogwash. He is obsessed with batting. Players like him always give their best whenever they step onto the pitch. It’s just that technique and style is more vulnerable in ODIs and T20Is than it is in Tests.
In Tests, he is pretty much invincible and has only been occasionally tested over the course of a series by the likes of Rabada and Wagner, but in ODIs, he is brilliant when his method works for him but he also goes through longer spells of inconsistency compared to other elite batsmen.
IMO, Smith vs Root in ODIs depends on the team composition.
Root is the most reliable and consistent ODI anchor in the world and he is perfect for the England team that have explosive hitters from top to bottom. He is the glue that holds everything together.
Smith is better for a weaker, less explosive lineup because although he is less consistent than Root, he is much more explosive and is more than just an anchor.
The truth regarding Smith in ODI’s is somewhere in between
He is not an ATG level ODI player, and for most of his career wouldn’t have been in a world XI. His game is just not suited for the form
However, he is remarkably clutch even in his poorer format, and has a playoff record that is incomparable amongst batsmen. In this way he is like Steve Waugh, who had just a decent ODI record but was brilliant in Australia’s successful WC campaigns in both 1987 and 1999
What is wrong with him? Never seen him go through a bad patch ...
A very unpopular opinion
Some people don’t like their Alpha position being challenged. It makes them uncomfortable.
I found Smith’s body language to be different since the arrival of Labu.
The fact that Labu is challenging him as the leader of the batting line up and also taking away the limelight from him, I think it’s affecting his mental game.
The more Labu is scoring it’s making Smith more and more uncomfortable day by day.
Hopefully he sorts it out. Or media shouldn’t give as much limelight to Labu as they’re giving him now
Labu is scoring > Smith this series.
Yup. Worst patch of form ever. But happens to the best of them.
It is not really bad form. He is basically having the type of series Kohli did against Australia in the 2017 series, where he kept finding creative ways of getting out and looked distracted with all the off-field controversies.
Smith will probably find a way to score runs in the next 2 Tests. He always does.
He would still score a mountain of runs if he was playing some other side.
He can no doubt. But I think he is having that loss of form after Ashes 2019 only. As I read the above post by mods, Smith has gone 9 tests without a century now after the Ashes retaining 211 at Old Trafford 15 months ago.
Warne was saying in commentary box that Smith hasn't scored a test ton at home for over 3 years now which is really astonishing considering how much he excels at home.He can no doubt. But I think he is having that loss of form after Ashes 2019 only. As I read the above post by mods, Smith has gone 9 tests without a century now after the Ashes retaining 211 at Old Trafford 15 months ago.
Hopefully he does not come back with a daddy hundred in Sydney :bradman
As most innings have been low scoring even a 50 from him will turn the tide in favour of Aussies.
Warne was saying in commentary box that Smith hasn't scored a test ton at home for over 3 years now which is really astonishing considering how much he excels at home.
It's hard to see him not scoring big even once. He is too good a batsman to not do it especially at home.