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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] surprisingly you haven't given your views in this thread.

And what do you think about India playing a gully mohala cricketer?

Far better prospect than Rauf. He will turn 23 this year, there is plenty of time for India to mould him into a top bowler across formats.

Rauf will turn 29 this year, he is at an age where he should be at the peak of his powers, but he is a rookie with no maturity in his bowling. He is nothing more than a right-handed Wahab.

You can pick a gully mohalla cricketer but do it at an age where they have several years of cricket left in the bank so that you can develop them.

It is too late for Rauf now. Pakistan should move on from him and try to find the next Shaheen Afridi. Pakistan has zero talent but I’m sure they can find a young fast bowler with great potential if they keep looking.

Pakistan’s fast bowling resources are depleted. The likes of Rauf will not amount to anything, Hassan is finished and although Naseem and Hasnain are young, they have no talent.

Dahani looks okay, he can be threatening in Tests if he can learn to use his height effectively, but he has bad attitude and seems more interested in fame than performing on the pitch.

Things don’t look good for Pakistan at all. It is Shaheen or bust at the moment.
 
Far better prospect than Rauf. He will turn 23 this year, there is plenty of time for India to mould him into a top bowler across formats.

Rauf will turn 29 this year, he is at an age where he should be at the peak of his powers, but he is a rookie with no maturity in his bowling. He is nothing more than a right-handed Wahab.

You can pick a gully mohalla cricketer but do it at an age where they have several years of cricket left in the bank so that you can develop them.

It is too late for Rauf now. Pakistan should move on from him and try to find the next Shaheen Afridi. Pakistan has zero talent but I’m sure they can find a young fast bowler with great potential if they keep looking.

Pakistan’s fast bowling resources are depleted. The likes of Rauf will not amount to anything, Hassan is finished and although Naseem and Hasnain are young, they have no talent.

Dahani looks okay, he can be threatening in Tests if he can learn to use his height effectively, but he has bad attitude and seems more interested in fame than performing on the pitch.

Things don’t look good for Pakistan at all. It is Shaheen or bust at the moment.

not even shaheen. shaheen with an older ball is hasan ali level useless.
 
Chahar Harshal Bhuvi, this is like Prasad Mohanty and Dodda Ganesh.

It will be only two of the three. Chahar and Bhuvi are similar bowlers but Chahar is a decent hitter also. One is replacement for other.

Harshal has done a good job too. The rest like Shami, Prasidh, Siraj, Avesh are not very reliable in T20 format and neither would Umran Malik be. That bowling attack doesn't look good but they do their job so have to persist with them.

Tests and ODIs, we have our boxes ticked.
 
It will be only two of the three. Chahar and Bhuvi are similar bowlers but Chahar is a decent hitter also. One is replacement for other.

Harshal has done a good job too. The rest like Shami, Prasidh, Siraj, Avesh are not very reliable in T20 format and neither would Umran Malik be. That bowling attack doesn't look good but they do their job so have to persist with them.

Tests and ODIs, we have our boxes ticked.

Bhuvi is worth 2 overs in T20 and 5 in ODIs. Shine gone. Bhuvi gone.

Chahar is slightly better, but he too is dependent on swing.

And BK has only 2 deliveries in death overs. Full or slower. Batsmen seem to line him up.

You cannot have bowlers who will not bowl 10 full overs. If BK was not from UP, he would be out of the team by now.
 
He is definitely quick but IPL speeds were inflated it was very much shown in these two matches played.
He bowled a single ball at 151 and all others were just 140s range.
India should persist with him and he should be developed properly.
 
He is definitely quick but IPL speeds were inflated it was very much shown in these two matches played.
He bowled a single ball at 151 and all others were just 140s range.
India should persist with him and he should be developed properly.

Really? Even in IPL matches there were matches where his highest speed was around 150 to 152.

His 1st over no speed was shown.

In other overs also speeds were not shown.

He bowled a searing yorker in his last over,but speed was not shown, in IPL his fastest balls were the full length yorkers.

Hopefully he will get more games in England and WI and then may be one can decide if his IPL speeds were inflated or not.
 
Really? Even in IPL matches there were matches where his highest speed was around 150 to 152.

His 1st over no speed was shown.

In other overs also speeds were not shown.

He bowled a searing yorker in his last over,but speed was not shown, in IPL his fastest balls were the full length yorkers.

Hopefully he will get more games in England and WI and then may be one can decide if his IPL speeds were inflated or not.

they showed the speed for 3 balls in his 1st over

137 kph
142 koh
144 kph (5th ball)
 
His problem is he does not have a hard length neither does he swing the bowl, a skiddy tape ball style bowler, I doubt he''ll succeed with his current skillsets unless he improves a lot.
 
Far better prospect than Rauf. He will turn 23 this year, there is plenty of time for India to mould him into a top bowler across formats.

Rauf will turn 29 this year, he is at an age where he should be at the peak of his powers, but he is a rookie with no maturity in his bowling. He is nothing more than a right-handed Wahab.

You can pick a gully mohalla cricketer but do it at an age where they have several years of cricket left in the bank so that you can develop them.

It is too late for Rauf now. Pakistan should move on from him and try to find the next Shaheen Afridi. Pakistan has zero talent but I’m sure they can find a young fast bowler with great potential if they keep looking.

Pakistan’s fast bowling resources are depleted. The likes of Rauf will not amount to anything, Hassan is finished and although Naseem and Hasnain are young, they have no talent.

Dahani looks okay, he can be threatening in Tests if he can learn to use his height effectively, but he has bad attitude and seems more interested in fame than performing on the pitch.

Things don’t look good for Pakistan at all. It is Shaheen or bust at the moment.

so u mean naseem and hasnain dont have potential but this galli mohalla cricketer(as u say) has?
For once get a life man. Naseem Rauf Dahani all ll be picked ahead of this rookie even in india. Just stop with ur hatred
 
I can understand the hype about Umran because India never had genuine quick bowlers.India used to play three spinners and medium pace trundlers.It is only recently that they found a few decent fast bowlers.
 
I can understand the hype about Umran because India never had genuine quick bowlers.India used to play three spinners and medium pace trundlers.It is only recently that they found a few decent fast bowlers.

India have had pace bowlers since 1995. Post 2010 everything has changed. Stop living in the past.
 
India have had pace bowlers since 1995. Post 2010 everything has changed. Stop living in the past.
I did say say that India has managed to find decent quicks in the last 10 years.Historically India used to play on slow wickets.Their strength was spin bowling.Even when India toured England they use to have four spinners in the squad.I can think of any Indian genuine quick bowler like Brett Lee,Shane Bond,Tait,Akhtar,Starc,Thomson,Holding etc.
 
they showed the speed for 3 balls in his 1st over

137 kph
142 koh
144 kph (5th ball)

I think nerves will also be playing a big part.

Hit around a bit, confidence maybe a bit low and affecting his speeds at the moment.
 
I think nerves will also be playing a big part.

Hit around a bit, confidence maybe a bit low and affecting his speeds at the moment.

That and it was mentioned that it was cold in Ireland and Umran struggled with it.

No idea how true was that.
 
I did say say that India has managed to find decent quicks in the last 10 years.Historically India used to play on slow wickets.Their strength was spin bowling.Even when India toured England they use to have four spinners in the squad.I can think of any Indian genuine quick bowler like Brett Lee,Shane Bond,Tait,Akhtar,Starc,Thomson,Holding etc.

They are not 'decent'. They are the best bowling attack in the world in tests for 5 plus years. In loi they were quite good till 2020 and then declined.
 
Look at the excuses now and compare it with your and others posts regarding 19 year old baby Naseem Shah. :91: :inti
Every fan will want young cricketers from his/her country to succeed, it’s only Pakistan fans who are too fickle and want their own players to fail so that their favorites can get a look in.
 
Look at the excuses now and compare it with your and others posts regarding 19 year old baby Naseem Shah. :91: :inti
Naseem is the best since Jeff Thompson. Umran is only starting now although naseem is younger than him. Umran isn't that good because india won't pick him in the first place. Politics. So yes naseem is better.
 
Umran Malik - India cannot ignore him for too long.

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Umran Malik - India cannot ignore him for too long.

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Nah we are alright here. Umran's career can rot away. We have our shuuper fast trundler Arshadeep Singh....
 
Umran Malik - India cannot ignore him for too long.

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not trying to yuck anyone yum here, but isnt that just a lower order bat playing down the wrong line? given where the batsman is standing, maybe we can say there was some pace to intimidate him into that mistake.
 
He has pace but zero control over line. Very risky selection. High pace bowlers look great when they get it in the right areas consistently . When they don't they get hammered into oblivion.

Rauf is the best example. Over the last year or so, he has become Pakistan's most reliable pacer in the format as his line has become much more consistent.

Before that, there were times he would get smashed like no tomorrow.
 
A lot of bits and pieces one dimensional bowlers have made a career at highest level for India because of T20 format. It is the lowest format for this very reason.

Bumrah, Shami Siraj and Prasidh should be our pacers, not Harshal or Umran Malik.
 
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He should be included in the WC team. He will add variety to this bowling attack. Arshdeep as a left arm bowler is also a good addition to this Indian team. Most of the indians don't understand express fast bowling and that's the reason we keep persisting with trundlers in the team. :inti
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Umran Malik was breathing fire against Maharashtra in Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy 2022.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/rgUU1J1pkd">pic.twitter.com/rgUU1J1pkd</a></p>— Cricket Videos🏏 (@Crickket__Video) <a href="https://twitter.com/Crickket__Video/status/1582214820715057153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Far better prospect than Rauf. He will turn 23 this year, there is plenty of time for India to mould him into a top bowler across formats.

Rauf will turn 29 this year, he is at an age where he should be at the peak of his powers, but he is a rookie with no maturity in his bowling. He is nothing more than a right-handed Wahab.

You can pick a gully mohalla cricketer but do it at an age where they have several years of cricket left in the bank so that you can develop them.

It is too late for Rauf now. Pakistan should move on from him and try to find the next Shaheen Afridi. Pakistan has zero talent but I’m sure they can find a young fast bowler with great potential if they keep looking.

Pakistan’s fast bowling resources are depleted. The likes of Rauf will not amount to anything, Hassan is finished and although Naseem and Hasnain are young, they have no talent.

Dahani looks okay, he can be threatening in Tests if he can learn to use his height effectively, but he has bad attitude and seems more interested in fame than performing on the pitch.

Things don’t look good for Pakistan at all. It is Shaheen or bust at the moment.

Haha..... so Rauf was done and Naseem had no talent. You said this few months back. Rauf is rocking in T20 and Naseem been praised by many. You sure don't think twice before posting as you only end up making a tool out of yourself.
 
Did India miss a trick by not taking Umran to the World Cup?
 
Did India miss a trick by not taking Umran to the World Cup?

Yes. They should have played him since the West indies tour. He would have gained some valuable experience and confidence coming into the WC. Though I think post this world cup there will be quite a few changes in the Indian team to build it up for next WC and umran will be a part of the plans.
 
Did India miss a trick by not taking Umran to the World Cup?

Everyone except the Indian team management and selectors think Umran should have been in the team.

Rumours say that the entire selection committee will face the axe if the Indian team has a poor T20 WC.
 
Did India miss a trick by not taking Umran to the World Cup?

Should have played him in the useless bilaterals, also guys like kuldeep sen, mavi, nagarkoti, mohsein, tyagi, the u-19 Hangarkar kid.
We have regressed as far as thinking pace bowling goes. dont know if the absence of bharat arun, Ravi shastri etc has something to do with this.
the current management seem to be content with 120kmph halwa bowlers
 
Did India miss a trick by not taking Umran to the World Cup?

Indian selection don't consider things where the event is held. If Harshal patel can get his slower ball work on gripping Indian pitches they assume it will work everywhere. Arshdeep is very young and raw. He may work on his speed later. Right now he is also a medium pacer. Add Bhuvi who is also a medium pacer you are looking at an attack that is not going to intimidate anyone. If it were up to me Moshin khan would be my no.1 choice. Check his videos. The way he generates pace and bounce on docile pitches was treat to watch. He was unplayable. Looks like he just underwent a surgery. Neither Shami nor Siraj have played enough T20 games. Shami often bowls test match lengths like Cummins and get cartered around. Same with Siraj.
 
Always love seeing players from Jammu and Sringar go onto play for India.

It's an interesting thought because if history was just a little different these guys would have instead been playing for Pakistan.

These cities are just a few km's away from Azad Kashmir and Pakistan, it's mind blogging in a good way of course how these few km's can change the entire game, your beliefs, your nationality altogether within a snap of a finger.
 
After being ignored for the 2022Wc and some good performances in the Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy for his side, Umran has been chosen for both the ODI and t20 squads playing in NZ. The selctors will keenly monitor his performance. If Umran fares better this time than during his debut he may be one of the frontrunners for the pace attack along with Bhuvi and Shami.
 
Umran Malik is a name that has got the entire Indian cricket fraternity excited with his raw pace. The Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) pacer was one of the standout bowlers of the 2022 Indian Premier League (IPL) season and finished as the league's fourth-highest wicket-taker in the tournament.

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More than his impressive wicket tally, it was his raw pace that caught the attention of cricket fans around the country. Umran constantly crossed the 150 kmph mark on the speedometer which is something not many Indian pacers have achieved in the past.
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Umran was considered as an 'x-factor' by many across the Indian cricket fraternity and a lot of fans and ex-players called for his inclusion in the Indian T20 World Cup. Umran did manage to play 3 T20Is for the national team but did not manage to make the flight to Australia. However, he is widely considered as the future of the Indian bowling attack across formats and has been selected for the ongoing New

While Umran has got the world excited, it looks like he might just be the first of many to come out of J&K. In a video that has gone viral on social media, 22-year-old Waseem Bashir has been seen tormenting batters with high-pace deliveries that are likely to be nearing the 150 kmph mark.

Who is Bashir?

Bashir is currently part of the J&K U-25 team and has caught the eyes of cricket fans. It will be interesting to see if any IPL team takes a punt on him in the 2023 IPL mini-auction like SRH did with Umran in the 2021 season. The auction for the 16th edition of the world's richest cricket league will take place on December 23 in Kochi. Umran has been expectedly retained by SRH going into the 2023 season while the 2016 champions look to overhaul their squad after failing to make the playoffs in 2021 and 2022.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...liveries-in-viral-clip-watch-article-95622479
 
Bashir, first time i hear his name. Fast bowling is rewarded greatly in the iPL. Your stocks go up significantly. Enough incentives to be an express pace bowler. Good to see more of them coming through.
 
Bashir, first time i hear his name. Fast bowling is rewarded greatly in the iPL. Your stocks go up significantly. Enough incentives to be an express pace bowler. Good to see more of them coming through.

He is from Pahalgam Anantnag district. Strongly built lad with pace touching 150kph. Many pacers are also coming through the channel. Only if J&K wasn't disputed land we would have made own team.
 
He is from Pahalgam Anantnag district. Strongly built lad with pace touching 150kph. Many pacers are also coming through the channel. Only if J&K wasn't disputed land we would have made own team.

What's the point if they aren't going to get any opportunities in India? :inti
 
Tbf IPL is max they want to play and secure their future. And if they play for national team that will be bonus.

True, IPL is as important as international Cricket not only to these youngsters, but also to a lot of international players. If they do well there, a national call doesn't have the same significance as before.
 
Agreed. We do not need to fast track any bowler just because they have pace or have one or two good seasons in the IPL.

We have shown that bowlers who consistently spend 3-4 seasons in our first class system are coming through with enough skill, confidence and maturity to become world class bowlers. At this moment we have 3 world class pacers in Bumrah, Shami and Siraj none of whom were fast tracked into the test side. They played first class cricket, developed their skills (bowling and brains) before they were unleashed at the test level.

Unlike Pakistan we have a great system and no lack of bowlers with skill that we need to rely on only pace or brining in raw talent with the hope that they will mature in to world class bowlers.

Any attack that can average in late 130s or early 140s with a lot of skill (as is the case with our bowlers) will be lethal.

Results show it. Our pace bowling has been superior to Pakistans for nearly 6-7 years now. We are in the top 2 pace bowling sides (Aus is probably number 1) and the best all condition bowling side.

We have a process and need to stick to it. No need to fast tracking pace bowlers after one decent season.

Any thoughts after WC is over
 
BCCI faces massive backlash for their birthday tweet on Umran Malik

Umran Malik is the fastest Indian bowler in the world. Despite his pace and talent, the young pacer has been given a few chances.

After failing to impress in three T20Is, he was dropped from the team and was not even considered for the ICC T20 World Cup, where the bowlers were a letdown, especially in the semi-final against England.

They failed to take a wicket as the Jos Buttler-led team won the game by 10 wickets. Umran was included in a three-match T20I New Zealand series but not in the playing XI.

He celebrated his 23rd birthday on November 22, the date of the last contest between the Men in Blue and the Kiwis.

The match ended in a tie due to rain, but the Jammu & Kashmir bowler was not given a chance.

He is also in the ODI squad, with the visitors set to play three games in New Zealand.

BCCI took to social media to wish young Umran on his birthday but faced a massive backlash from fans for not playing him.

https://crictoday.com/cricket/news/...lash-for-their-birthday-tweet-on-umran-malik/
 
Bowled good length on a very unforgiving ground for pacers and picked up wickets too. But Indian commentators really have some condescending attitude towards genuine pace. Kartik was really criticising his control.
 
Let me tell you this, no amount of whining on PP will change the fact that Indian pace attack is some distance ahead of pakistan in every sphere, currently.

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Pakistan bowling in t20 is way better than your bowling lineup .Many cricket expert also acknowledge pakistan bowling in t20 format
 
Nevertheless Umran is very unique and add much needed variety to indian fast bowling. if he remains injury free he will improve drastically
 
He seems to have the potential to loose many more matches for India. Surely he is not Thakur's level but still I believe in him.
 
Umran repaid the faith by not just unsettling the New Zealand batters with his 150 kmph thunderbolts, but also by picking two wickets - of Umran Malik was expected to don the Indian jersey in the T20I series itself in the New Zealand tour. However, he missed out on the opportunity, but on Friday, the India pacer was handed his ODI cap, for the first match of the three-game series against Kane Williamson's men in Auckland. And he repaid the faith by not just unsettling the New Zealand batters with his 150 kmph thunderbolts, but also by picking two wickets - of Devon Conway and Daryl Mitchell. (India vs New Zealand Live Score 1st ODI)

Umran was brought into the attack by captain Shikhar Dhawan after the first powerplay. His first delivery was of 145.9kmph, an in-angling length ball to Williamson, whom he shared the dressing room with in IPL for Sunrisers Hyderabad. He ended the over with a similar delivery, but of 149.6kmph, conceding four just singles.

Another over later, where he had delivered the first of his 150kmph deliveries, Umran picked his maiden ODI wicket. He dished out a fiery fuller delivery wide of off as Conway chased it for a drive, and ended up edging it straight to wicketkeeper Rishabh Pant.

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Among the fastest bowlers in world cricket at the moment ?
With Wood, Lockie, Nortje and Rauf.
 
Among the fastest bowlers in world cricket at the moment ?
With Wood, Lockie, Nortje and Rauf.

Wood is fastest.

Lockie and Umran around the same pace.

Nortje was faster, but after injury he isn't full steam yet.

Rauf is similar pace.
 
Bowled good length on a very unforgiving ground for pacers and picked up wickets too. But Indian commentators really have some condescending attitude towards genuine pace. Kartik was really criticising his control.

Kartik is from the lobby. The lobby doesn't want these young players. They want their friends to continue. Thats why you see Kartik Thakur BK Harshal Axar Dhawan Ashwin etc getting chances.
 
Pakistan bowling in t20 is way better than your bowling lineup .Many cricket expert also acknowledge pakistan bowling in t20 format

If India plays its full strength bowling attack its not far. Bumrah alone adds a lot to the bowling attack. But with the rubbish we played in the T20 WC, pakistan is better.

Problem is that the Indian team management doesn't understand that T20Is and ODIs are different.

In T20IS you can bowl someone for 3 overs upfront with new ball swinging. And then end it. In ODIs a opening bowler should either be able to bowl at death like Bumrah or in the middle like Shami or Umran. The likes of Shardul etc have no place.
Arshdeep is 22 so i will give him time to learn and develop.
 
Was bowling 140-142 kph after 4 overs. Ran out of steam even though he was running in hard. Lack of fitness i guess.
Should work on his stamina.
 
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Needs some technical work on his bowling action and follow through. Might get a back or leg injury with how out of the plane his leg goes.

Would be great to see how India develops him. An exciting prospect.
 
If India plays its full strength bowling attack its not far. Bumrah alone adds a lot to the bowling attack. But with the rubbish we played in the T20 WC, pakistan is better.

Problem is that the Indian team management doesn't understand that T20Is and ODIs are different.

In T20IS you can bowl someone for 3 overs upfront with new ball swinging. And then end it. In ODIs a opening bowler should either be able to bowl at death like Bumrah or in the middle like Shami or Umran. The likes of Shardul etc have no place.
Arshdeep is 22 so i will give him time to learn and develop.
Who told you Umran is able to bowl in the midle? You just decided it?
India has no complete pacer apart from Bumrah. Someone who is okay at least at any time in the innings.
And even Bumrah doesn't take any upfront wicket in ODI's.
 
I personally don't judge a bowler's pace based on T20s and initial few LOIs. They tend to give it their all initially and then settle as 140kph bowlers with more workload. Naseem Shah is a good example of that.

This is where i consider Starc, Rabada, Bumrah and Archer to be the true proven quicks. They run in 90mph irrespective of the workload or format.

Likes of Rauf and Umran may have higher peak pace, but i don't know if they can sustain this for long.
 
I personally don't judge a bowler's pace based on T20s and initial few LOIs. They tend to give it their all initially and then settle as 140kph bowlers with more workload. Naseem Shah is a good example of that.

This is where i consider Starc, Rabada, Bumrah and Archer to be the true proven quicks. They run in 90mph irrespective of the workload or format.

Likes of Rauf and Umran may have higher peak pace, but i don't know if they can sustain this for long.

Rabada and Bumrah rarely bowl 90mph.

For example, pre-injury Bumrah's speed in the West Indies series 2019.

1st Test: avg/highest

1st innings- 133.9/141.7
2nd innings- 134.5/139.0

He bowls at a similar pace in ODIs.
 
Rabada and Bumrah rarely bowl 90mph.

For example, pre-injury Bumrah's speed in the West Indies series 2019.

1st Test: avg/highest

1st innings- 133.9/141.7
2nd innings- 134.5/139.0

He bowls at a similar pace in ODIs.
Great example.

Is it the same series where he destroyed the west Indies batting lineup?

As for rarely bowling 90mph, Bumrah can crank it up whenever he wants.

Just that he has the brains to know when to bowl at full tilt and when to adjust his pace according to conditions.

Remember he bowled 153.6 vs Australia in tests.
 
Great example.

Is it the same series where he destroyed the west Indies batting lineup?

Sigh... when I wrote that comment I knew offended posters will reply with irrelevant arguments.

Was I writing about bowling average, swing, seam, etc or was I writing about pace? Think before replying.

As for rarely bowling 90mph, Bumrah can crank it up whenever he wants.

Just that he has the brains to know when to bowl at full tilt and when to adjust his pace according to conditions.

Remember he bowled 153.6 vs Australia in tests.

The above poster said that Bumrah and Rabada "run in bowling 90mph irrespective of the workload or format", which isn't the case. 90mph is 145kph which Bumrah rarely ever hits which means that he doesn't bowl 90mph irrespective of the workload or format. Bowling one ball over 150 doesn't make a bowler a consistent 145kph bowler. Bumrah has an average pace of around 137kph in ODIs and Tests max.

Hope this clears up your confusion.
 
Rabada and Bumrah rarely bowl 90mph.

For example, pre-injury Bumrah's speed in the West Indies series 2019.

1st Test: avg/highest

1st innings- 133.9/141.7
2nd innings- 134.5/139.0

He bowls at a similar pace in ODIs.

That's an odd series. Has averaged 140 or more in several tests in Australia and a lot of other tests from what i recall. Wherever you got these numbers from, I hope it has other series too.
 
Sigh... when I wrote that comment I knew offended posters will reply with irrelevant arguments.

Was I writing about bowling average, swing, seam, etc or was I writing about pace? Think before replying.



The above poster said that Bumrah and Rabada "run in bowling 90mph irrespective of the workload or format", which isn't the case. 90mph is 145kph which Bumrah rarely ever hits which means that he doesn't bowl 90mph irrespective of the workload or format. Bowling one ball over 150 doesn't make a bowler a consistent 145kph bowler. Bumrah has an average pace of around 137kph in ODIs and Tests max.

Hope this clears up your confusion.

Using the word 'workload' for Bumrah is an insult to that word. Guy hardly plays international cricket these days. I have said so many times here that he should skip those Pyjama Leagues to prolong his international career but they don't seem to learn. :inti
 
'You can either have pace or control': Zaheer, Agarkar deliver verdict on Umran Malik's ODI debut as NZ beat India

On Friday, pace sensation Umran Malik made his much-anticipated ODI debut as India took on New Zealand in the first match of the three-match series in Auckland and returned figures of 2/66, with Zaheer Khan and Ajit Agarkar giving their verdict on the 23-year-old quick.

On Friday, pace sensation Umran Malik made his much-anticipated ODI debut as India took on New Zealand in the first match of the three-match series in Auckland and returned figures of 2/66. Umran picked up the wickets of Devon Conway and Daryl Mitchell with an impeccable show of fast bowling but unfortunately, his efforts were not enough as New Zealand emerged winners by seven wickets to take a 1-0 lead. Umran, whose pace has been a hot topic of discussion among experts and even received attention from Pakistan great Wasim Akram, cracked it up on the speed gun, to an extent that he even clocked 153 kmph, while constantly bowling at above 145 clicks.

The square boundaries at Eden Park though allowed Kane Williamson and Tom Latham to play themselves in and then take the attack to the Indian bowlers, including Umran, who towards the end leaked a few runs. But former India fast bowling greats Zaheer Khan and Ajit Agarkar were overall quite impressed with Umran's debut and urged the management to stick with the 23-year-old even if he bowled a few expensive overs.

"He was great. He started very well. And the pace which everyone has been talking about that is his strength, he backed it. Towards the latter half, there are some learnings for sure but it's just the first game for him at this level. It is about going out there, enjoying the moment and giving it all. I think he had a good debut. You can overlook the runs right now but what is important for a bowler like him, who is bowling at that kind of pace, it is the wicket-taking intent. That was good, and the body language was good too. All the little fine-tuning he will figure as he moves along in his career. But what's important is that he should back his strength and look to bowl as quick as possible. He showed decent control and should continue with that," Zaheer said exclusively to broadcaster Prime Video at the end of the Indian Innings.

"You need variety in your bowling attack. You have used different bowlers for different things. When you look at Umran, you have got to look at him as a wicket-taker. Let him flourish as a bowler who is going to be that striker of your attack. He someone who is probably not thinking about runs. He will leak runs in the process but you have got to take it in your stride and just back him to be free. That is something which is very important. You can either have really good pace or control. Till the time he is bowling quick, you have to let him be free. Just make sure you tell him... 'You see that wickets, attack those stumps'," Zaheer added.

Agarkar, who for years partnered Zaheer with the new ball, agreed with the former India left-arm quick's assessment, saying that to expect a young tearaway bowler to show both pace and accuracy is too much and that someone of Umran's calibre should be allowed to express himself freely. On a day when every Indian quick went for runs, Umran overshadowed his senior pros Arshdeep Singh and Shardul Thakur by picking up two out of the three New Zealand wickets to fall, which Agarkar reckons is a huge positive.

"When someone is as raw as he is, I think he had a brilliant day. I agree with Zak because he gave India the control and the wickets which kept them in the game. 306 as Shreyas said India thought they were above par but with the dimensions of the ground, when there is a set batter, it becomes difficult to stop. He got India the wickets they needed - Conway and then Mitchell - so he got India back in the game, bowled exceptionally well," Agarkar said exclusively to broadcaster Prime Video at the end of the Indian Innings.

"We don't expect a young bowler, who is a tear away, to come and bowl on the right line and lengths immediately. That is what gives them the X-Factor. He was very impressive because he showed that control at the start. I think he had a terrific debut and lots to look forward to. There are lots of bowlers who can bowl line and length but very few who can get it up to 150. That's a special ability to have. You've got to nurture it and give him that confidence."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...r-new-zealand-beat-india-101669372679425.html
 
Agarkar himself used to go for runs but he was a wicket taker. During those days he became the fastest to 50 ODI wickets. :inti
 
Another chance to shine for Umran -

"Fast bowler Mohd. Shami sustained a shoulder injury during a training session in the lead up to the ODI series against Bangladesh. He is currently under the supervision of the BCCI Medical Team at the NCA, Bengaluru and will not be able to take part in the three-match series. The All-India Senior Selection Committee has named Umran Malik as Shami's replacement," BCCI Secretary Jay Shah said in a press release.
 
Another chance to shine for Umran -

"Fast bowler Mohd. Shami sustained a shoulder injury during a training session in the lead up to the ODI series against Bangladesh. He is currently under the supervision of the BCCI Medical Team at the NCA, Bengaluru and will not be able to take part in the three-match series. The All-India Senior Selection Committee has named Umran Malik as Shami's replacement," BCCI Secretary Jay Shah said in a press release.

Fingers crossed
 
Gavaskar Lauds India Youngster, Says 'Player I Am Most Excited To See After Sachin Is...'

Former India captain Sunil Gavaskar has heaped praise on Jammu & Kashmir's fast-bowling sensation, Umran Malik, calling him the next big thing after Sachin Tendulkar. While speaking on SonyLIV ahead of the 2nd ODI against Bangladesh, Gavaskar said Malik is one player he is most excited to see playing for India after the legendary Sachin Tendulkar. Malik is part of India's playing XI for their ongoing ODI match against Bangladesh.

"One player I am most excited to see playing for India after Sachin Tendulkar is Umran Malik," Gavaskar said on SonyLIV ahead of the second ODI between India and Bangladesh.

Umran Malik's career

Since making his international debut in June this year, Malik has represented India in three ODIs and as many T20I games. He has picked two wickets in the shortest format at an average of 56.00 and has scalped three wickets in 50-over cricket at an average of 32.22.

Malik received his maiden India call-up after a sensational performance for Sunrisers Hyderabad in IPL 2022. He finished as the four-highest wicket-taker in the tournament with 22 scalps in 14 matches. He was added to the India squad for their two-match T20I series against Ireland. Malik is currently playing his fourth ODI against Bangladesh after replacing an injured Kuldeep Sen, who has been left out because of a back issue.

Malik was part of the three-match ODI series against New Zealand, where he picked up a combined three wickets in two matches. The 23-year-old was initially not named in the squad for the Bangladesh series. He was later included after veteran pacer Mohammed Shami was ruled out due to an injury. In the ongoing 2nd ODI against Bangladesh, Malik clean-bowled Najmul Shanto to pick his maiden wicket in the match.

Link: https://www.republicworld.com/sport...d-to-see-after-sachin-is-dot-articleshow.html
 
I'm not a fan of such clickbait headlines which many news portals seem to be using these days. Why not just say that "Gavaskar excited to see Umran Malik" and leave it at that? Is it because there's not much substance to the article besides this?

And all this for what? Just to drive up the CTR% to their website to attract sponsors? I thought Republic gets enough funding from the BJP in any case.
 
Umran Malik gives blunt response on question about Shoaib Akhtar's fastest delivery record

Due to his brilliant speeds, Umran is constantly compared with one of Pakistan's fastest bowlers, former cricketer Shoaib Akhtar. The Pakistan star holds the record for the fastest delivery recorded in international cricket (161kph vs New Zealand, 2002).

Naturally, Umran is often asked if he aims to break Akhtar's long-standing record; the pacer answered the question again during an interview with News24, insisting that he doesn't think about the record and is only committed to performing well for India.

“Right now, I'm only thinking about performing well for the country. If I do well, and if I'm lucky, I'll break that. But I don't think about it at all,” said Umran.

“You don't get to realise how fast you've bowled during the match. It's only when we come back after the game when we get to know how fast I was. During the game, my only focus is on bowling in the right areas and picking wickets,” the 23-year-old pacer further added.

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Umran Malik gives blunt response on question about Shoaib Akhtar's fastest delivery record

Due to his brilliant speeds, Umran is constantly compared with one of Pakistan's fastest bowlers, former cricketer Shoaib Akhtar. The Pakistan star holds the record for the fastest delivery recorded in international cricket (161kph vs New Zealand, 2002).

Naturally, Umran is often asked if he aims to break Akhtar's long-standing record; the pacer answered the question again during an interview with News24, insisting that he doesn't think about the record and is only committed to performing well for India.

“Right now, I'm only thinking about performing well for the country. If I do well, and if I'm lucky, I'll break that. But I don't think about it at all,” said Umran.

“You don't get to realise how fast you've bowled during the match. It's only when we come back after the game when we get to know how fast I was. During the game, my only focus is on bowling in the right areas and picking wickets,” the 23-year-old pacer further added.

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He has not even come close to replicating those speeds at international level, the desperation is nauseating.

Pakistan currently has possibly four pacers capable of bowling at a similar pace to this guy, and no one talks about them breaking Akhtar’s record.

The only one who might be able to get close is Mark Wood, provided he stays fit. Nortje and Ferguson are a tier below but won’t get anywhere near 161KPH.
 
He has not even come close to replicating those speeds at international level, the desperation is nauseating.

Pakistan currently has possibly four pacers capable of bowling at a similar pace to this guy, and no one talks about them breaking Akhtar’s record.

The only one who might be able to get close is Mark Wood, provided he stays fit. Nortje and Ferguson are a tier below but won’t get anywhere near 161KPH.

Whatever little he has played international cricket he has clocked upto 153 kph. His fastest in IPL across 2 seasons is 157 kph.

So he is close to what he is in the IPL.
 
He has not even come close to replicating those speeds at international level, the desperation is nauseating.

Pakistan currently has possibly four pacers capable of bowling at a similar pace to this guy, and no one talks about them breaking Akhtar’s record.

The only one who might be able to get close is Mark Wood, provided he stays fit. Nortje and Ferguson are a tier below but won’t get anywhere near 161KPH.

Umran’s response was very measured and mature.

And 4 Bowlers at the same pace? Who?

Ek ko toh last 2 series mein khila dete. We have been witnessing trundling of epic proportions in the last 5 tests. Could have spared us the borefest in the last 2 series.
 
Umran Malik gives blunt response on question about Shoaib Akhtar's fastest delivery record

Due to his brilliant speeds, Umran is constantly compared with one of Pakistan's fastest bowlers, former cricketer Shoaib Akhtar. The Pakistan star holds the record for the fastest delivery recorded in international cricket (161kph vs New Zealand, 2002).

Naturally, Umran is often asked if he aims to break Akhtar's long-standing record; the pacer answered the question again during an interview with News24, insisting that he doesn't think about the record and is only committed to performing well for India.

“Right now, I'm only thinking about performing well for the country. If I do well, and if I'm lucky, I'll break that. But I don't think about it at all,” said Umran.

“You don't get to realise how fast you've bowled during the match. It's only when we come back after the game when we get to know how fast I was. During the game, my only focus is on bowling in the right areas and picking wickets,” the 23-year-old pacer further added.

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Sport reporters are lowest class of parasites but Umran does have working head to dismiss them outright.
 
Whatever little he has played international cricket he has clocked upto 153 kph. His fastest in IPL across 2 seasons is 157 kph.

So he is close to what he is in the IPL.

Not taking anything away from Umran, in fact I am very happy for him Ma sha Allah, but bowling quick in 4 overs matches is not a big deal. When you really bend your back you know you will only bowl a max of 24 balls whereas in ODIS you will not take so many chances because you know you will potentially bowl 60 deliveries.

So in hindsight when you think that Shoaib bowled 161 KPH in a 50 overs match, that was just incredible. I am sure if T20s were as popuplar as they are now during his peak years he probably could have bowled close to 163-165.

So if his record is broken during ODIs, that would be insane, but if it's broken during a T20 match, that's still crazy but not as same as in ODIs.
 
Not taking anything away from Umran, in fact I am very happy for him Ma sha Allah, but bowling quick in 4 overs matches is not a big deal. When you really bend your back you know you will only bowl a max of 24 balls whereas in ODIS you will not take so many chances because you know you will potentially bowl 60 deliveries.

So in hindsight when you think that Shoaib bowled 161 KPH in a 50 overs match, that was just incredible. I am sure if T20s were as popuplar as they are now during his peak years he probably could have bowled close to 163-165.

So if his record is broken during ODIs, that would be insane, but if it's broken during a T20 match, that's still crazy but not as same as in ODIs.

I agree that T20 bowling is easier as you just have 4 overs to bowl.

But Umrans' fastest ball in international cricket came in a odi.

Umran just turned 23. Lee made his debut for Australia at 23 and he was of similar pace.

Ofcourse within 2 years Lee was bowling even quicker.

I hope to see Umran also increasing his speed and stamina as he trains.
 
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