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This is the problem with jingoism. Innocents are always the victims. Hopefully the perpetrators are caught and put behind bars.
Its good.
Will only lead to further issues for India.
Now that Kashmiris are being turned en-massed against the Indian state and with so many of them in mainland India this can only spell trouble going forward
India is essentially shooting itself in the foot
Here Allama Iqbal's poem comes to mind when he said "Mullah ko agar Hind mein sajde ki ijaazat. Nadaan yeh samajhta hai Islam hai azaad". No matter how patriotic Indian Muslim's are they will always be first targets in any internal conflict. Even if Hindu's are fighting Sikh's it's the Muslim's who will be the villains.
Did he also make a poem about how in only a matter of time the Pakistani hindu's will be no more ?
Did he also make a poem about how in only a matter of time the Pakistani hindu's will be no more ?
May be he did I have not checked. Then again most Hindu's were always in East Pakistan now Bangladesh. Other then the immediate aftermath of so called partition I do not remember the genocide of Pakistani non Muslim's ever since the country was formed.
How pathetic, these uneducated Morons beating up an innocent man who had nothing to do with what happened in Kashmir. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scroundrel. Anyone harming an innocent should dealt with by the law. What did this achieve? This is not patriotic, this is just ignorant mob looking for a victim and this is exactly what our neighbors want to see.
What a pathetic nation.... Thank you mr. Jinnah we don't have to call filth like this as our countrymen.
Bcz it's never happened in Pakistan. There will be cases where individuals got mad but unlike India where states involved in massive murdering of minorities never ever happened in Pakistan.
I am sure people here remind me that 200 temples were set on fire after the demolition of Babri Masjid but this was the incorrect & false news by dawn.
Bcz it's never happened in Pakistan. There will be cases where individuals got mad but unlike India where states involved in massive murdering of minorities never ever happened in Pakistan.
I am sure people here remind me that 200 temples were set on fire after the demolition of Babri Masjid but this was the incorrect & false news by dawn.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis
You probably didn’t know this but this is what state sponsored looks like not what you are seeing in India.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=260019934722048&id=207616989962343
This one is from Delhi. Imagine if we treat Indians like this in Kashmir how will media express that but you will hardly get any news when this is happening to us.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=260019934722048&id=207616989962343
Imagine if we treat Indians like this in Kashmir.
You already did, you tortured, killed and got rid of the Kashmiri Pandits....
Why are Indians beating up innocent Kashmiris?
Yes I was waiting for someone to bring this Ahmedi killing 60 70 years old. Indeed it is the black spot9 on the country religious political history. It shouldn't be happen at first and we condemn this but the facts showing by Wikipedia are largely exaggerated or untrue. But once again I would say that those were not the state organized riots.
This is the problem with jingoism. Innocents are always the victims. Hopefully the perpetrators are caught and put behind bars.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1HZ06R
Again this is where the government and the community as whole is against one set of people.. things aren’t that bad India yet. They are still being discriminated against not something that happened just 60-70 years ago.
The point i am trying to make is some people here are giving this holier than thou attitude how Pakistan doesn’t do anything like this against their minorities. In fact Pakistan does much worse attrocities.
Condemn the behavior of people India that is fine but don’t give this fake holier than thou attitude because your country is doing much worse than India.
And the leadership has been totally pathetic. Vajbhayee was also BJP but at least he courage to speak up for those that were vulnerable. Modi has none whatsoever.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1HZ06R
Again this is where the government and the community as whole is against one set of people.. things aren’t that bad India yet. They are still being discriminated against not something that happened just 60-70 years ago.
The point i am trying to make is some people here are giving this holier than thou attitude how Pakistan doesn’t do anything like this against their minorities. In fact Pakistan does much worse attrocities.
Condemn the behavior of people India that is fine but don’t give this fake holier than thou attitude because your country is doing much worse than India.
Count down has begun, I am expecting a denial post from m.shah about the torture of the Pandits in regards to my above post.....
LOL talking about denial your whole country is in denial state regarding kashmir. They were told by then governor to leave kashmir so that Indian army could fully brutalise us. Still Kashmiri pandits are welcomed back. They can live with us like they used to. Even Burhan wani also said the same. We are not like you people who don't spare any opportunity to beat Kashmiris living in India.
We have told this to them countless times. But they still deny it because they dont want to take their heads out of sand. They have been fed propaganda by their state as well as KP's who find themselves in no man's land and will say anything to get more benefits.
Still Kashmiri pandits are welcomed back. They can live with us like they used to..
OH WOW, how generous of you with the above statement, after you lot raped, killed, tortured and threw them out of their homeland. I am sure they would feel very safe and sound to come back and live with you lots again.... Karma sucks, what goes around comes around...
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You are on an anonymous forum and will not even get banned. Do you enjoy it when Kashmir's are attacked by Indians? Be honest.
Well I am going to have a serious conversation with you, without calling you out.
To answer your question: NO, I don't want anyone to be attacked, I think it is pathetic how the Kashmiri students are treated in Indian universities etc. However I will not for the life of me along with majority of the 1 billion population agree to break Kashmir away from India. If Kashmiri's engage in violence to break away from India then I am sorry, they live by the sword will die by the sword as well.
Now to a question for you;
Do you think it was right what was done to the Kashmiri Pandits by the muslim Kashmiris ?
Be Honest.
Then you shouldn't write 'karma' etc. Firstly there is no such things as Karma and secondly people use this term when they enjoy retaliation but you have clarified your view and I accept it.
I dont think anyone should be treated badly or driven from their homes, whether it's Hindu's, Muslims or tribes. Kashmir can remains under Indian control if the people are treated with respect and dignity in my view but I have no right in any say, they have.
If India made a Kashmir a haven of prosperity for the people, they would probably side with India and Pandits or anyone else could return to live in peace and harmony. But when you have a state machine with 500,000 troops in an area the foundation for peace is not laid but a foundation for conflict. The good people in India, which I'm are are many should say enough is enough, lets find a solution and this nonsense once and for all.
If India made a Kashmir a haven of prosperity for the people, they would probably side with India and Pandits or anyone else could return to live in peace and harmony. But when you have a state machine with 500,000 troops in an area the foundation for peace is not laid but a foundation for conflict. The good people in India, which I'm are are many should say enough is enough, lets find a solution and this nonsense once and for all.
To the highlighted bit, they are beyond ressurection, they have been brain washed by Pakistan and along with decades of violence they will not settle for anything less than a break away from India. Unfortunately for them, India wont give up Kashmir and the muslim Kashmiris have lost their ability to think rationally and rather continue with the violence instigation. Kashmir will go the way it is, till the muslim Kashmiri's realise they are nothing more than pawns on a chess board used by India & Pakistan. People like me and you will just argue over the keyboards, reality will always remain which is India will always control their side of Kashmir..
Karma is mentioned because every reaction has an opposite reaction, the Indian army would not have been in Kashmir had those Kashmiri muslims not acted like barbarians and brutally tortured the Pandits and drove them out. The after affect was the deployment of the Indian army, now the Kashmiri muslims are bearing the brunt of their actions.....
Well that says it all. You are another brainwashed indian
To the highlighted bit, they are beyond ressurection, they have been brain washed by Pakistan and along with decades of violence they will not settle for anything less than a break away from India. Unfortunately for them, India wont give up Kashmir and the muslim Kashmiris have lost their ability to think rationally and rather continue with the violence instigation. Kashmir will go the way it is, till the muslim Kashmiri's realise they are nothing more than pawns on a chess board used by India & Pakistan. People like me and you will just argue over the keyboards, reality will always remain which is India will always control their side of Kashmir..
Not true, Indian forces were in Kashmir in late 80's and in 1990 there were at least 4 massarces(which made the news). This was around the time when some not all , Pandits were exiled.
Raping, torturing and murdering them wont make things better.
I am not stating Indian soldiers are angels, however Kashmiri's can make life easier for themselves by not causing trouble and poking the bear...
No people in history have been ruled by a power forever, a power they dont want them to rule. People will die on both sides, many more Kashmir's and many Indian troops. So if this is the view of India, not sure why the big uproar when 40+ soldiers were killed?
First of all in regards to the uproar of the 40 soldiers killed, I am off the opinion that this was done by the Indian establishment itself for political gain, I am also not ruling out a Pakistani hand in it. However the timing of the attack is very fishy for me, right before the election, this attack pretty much gets all the attention back onto Modi before he was starting to lose a little bit of lime light. Ofcourse I feel terrible for the 40 soldiers dying either way, however India will not let Kashmir go. Us Indians speak over 10 different languages, we have so much in common and so many differences, going to another state is like going to another country at times, however the Kashmir issue has an incredible ability to bring us all together and make us ONE and united..
Well Indian forces were not in Kashmir as per current situation till the Pandits situation became chronic....
So tell me what is stopping the pandits coming back to Kashmir? They have plenty of support with the army and seems the majority of the Indian population as per the comments by Indian posters...So what is stopping them?
Again this is simply not true.
Bold...
Lets agree to disagree...
The crimes against them are not one of bravery. If in the UK Scots started to cause trouble, protest and even attack the British army because they want indepdence, I can assure the British soldiers would not resort to rape and torture. An army of a nation should hold the moral high ground. If I was Kashmir and my relatives were either raped, tortured or murdered I would resist too and so would you.
You cannot compare Indian army with Britian's the situations are totally different in the scenario you posted. I am not disagreeing with the rape and torture you mentioned above, however like I said there is no solution to this, this will go on till the end of time unless Kashmiri's themselves realise, this is a dead end and stop the resistance and accepts all India have to offer and build their future.....
You're saying the Indian government is capable of killing nearly 50 of their own soldiers? Is this a miniroty view or do many other Indians feel the same?
It is definitely a minority view, I would not put that past the Indians, to do something like the above. Sub continental politics are the dirtiest of the world, which is why I often say Indians & Pakistanis deserve each other, they are the filth of the 3rd world.
Bold..
I think the situation has to be resolved and will be, hopefully soon. Pakistan have Imran Khan and this man has no hatred for Indians or India, he has visited many times and wants good relations. Against the wishes of many Pakistanis who voted for him he made the first step towards improving relations but was rejected by the BJP government. I think if Rahul Ghandi can come into power there could a breakthrough, even though many dont like him in India. Even if these two come and go there will be time in the future where the people of both nations will sick of this and demand an end. Living in world of easily accesible information, the kids who are born in the future will be able to see the light knowing this is holding back both nations.
I am not favouring any party, I would have been ok with Congress coming to power, however you dont know the influence that fraud Italian Waitress has over Congress, she will be pulling all the chains from behind, so no thanks, we have already been ruled by the British previously so we dont need Italians to be doing the same thing for decades also. Also in regards to Rahul Gandhi, he has an IQ that is -300, I would put him as the number 1 dumbest human being that I know of, he can barely wipe his bum after a toilet visit. If ppl like Rahul Gandhi are given opportunities to lead a nation, surely ppl like me and you should also deserve a chance to lead, I am sure we would do a much better job though.....
It is a bit strange so much explosive material could easily cross the border. Also strange the convey stopped and the warning a few days ago wasn't given much importance. I wouldn't be surpised if Mossad are involved, they want India to go to war with Pakistan for their benefit and care little for Indian lives.
I don't believe there is an Israel link, to be honest I don't feel Israeli's look at Pakistan as that much of a threat. Israeli's also have the Americans in their pocket so they know Americans will always influence Pakistan to never be a threat to Israel. My belief is split at the moment at 50-50, it was either an Inside job by the Indians or Pakistanis may have been involved... Nothing would surprise me, alarm bells started ringing for me due to the time of the attack being close to the elections..
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As you pointed out, Imran Khan encouraged for peaceful talks but India clearly shut the doors on such proposal.
We shouldn’t even be surprised though. We are talking about a society that breaks tv’s and curses Kohli in front of the media after losing a mere match. Dramatic and over emotional is what you would associate with them.
Modi on the other hand has a cult of personality. The same man who said he had “no guilt” when over 1000 Muslims
died in the riot. Now this is a terrorist for me. His only regret was that “he couldn’t handle the media better.” I’m done with India and now I legit pity them.
bold...
OH WOW, how generous of you with the above statement, after you lot raped, killed, tortured and threw them out of their homeland. I am sure they would feel very safe and sound to come back and live with you lots again.... Karma sucks, what goes around comes around...
How many pandits were killed, raped tortured? Do you have any data or you are just another brainwashed by rss media?
This! Worst thing is bhakts don't even understand what gutter levels India has fallen to in Modi's rein. Imagine this despot gets to rule India for another term!A lot of your countymen are like this. Modi has set you back 50 years when it comes to tolerance.
Oh geez, what an intelligent post....I dunno maybe they still have nightmares & other psychological issues about what was done to them a few decades ago ? lol... Indian army cannot guarantee their 100 percent safety, no one can.
Sick, if true. As an Indian, my sincere apologies to Kashmiris.