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Pakistani batting looks hopeless after these two get out early.![]()
Pakistani batting looks hopeless after these two get out early.![]()
The middle order delivered vs Ind but here they failed.
I thought this would be easy for Pak, considering the reqd run rate was just 6.5
The middle order didn’t fail
They had a partnership of 50 off 37 between number 3 and 5.
It was the lower order that couldn’t see it through at the end
The middle order delivered vs Ind but here they failed.
I thought this would be easy for Pak, considering the reqd run rate was just 6.5
When Babar bats with Rizwan he averages close to 32.56 (if I heard it right) and when he bats with someone else his averages close to 56.71.
- A Sports broadcast
People keeps saying they're not the problem, and I do agree to a point. But the issue is because the middle order is so bad and poor, having Babar coming in one down will allow for a more solid lower order, instead we see if one of them get out the whole middle order suffers because they don't have the ability to negotiate even a run-a-ball RR.
Either play Haider in the opening spot, or drop him completely because I've not seen one batsman that's looked so poor whenever he's on the field, be it while he fields or when he bats. His confidence looks shattered.
Play him where he's supposedly better, otherwise drop him and be done with it.
This gutless, cowardly and outdated approach has been thoroughly exposed on the world stage. I hope fans who kept giving [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] grief will apologise to him, he was exactly right about this duo.
Happens when you don't want to rest and want to play even dead rubbers because your alternatives can be more impactful. Insecurity is the reason why our senior players refuse to rest even in meaningless games.
For me it is not about the names but the mindset that needs to be changed. 90s mindset can't work in t20s in 2022. We need to get rid of defensive coach and captain. Yousuf should also be sacked. Batting had been below par ever since he took over.I still disagree for the most part with someone like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]. Babar and Rizwan still have got the chops in the other 2 formats, and his suggested replacements (Sharjeel Khan, Umar Akmal) are so far out of the races to be taken seriously.
I still disagree for the most part with someone like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]. Babar and Rizwan still have got the chops in the other 2 formats, and his suggested replacements (Sharjeel Khan, Umar Akmal) are so far out of the races to be taken seriously.
Rizwan is technically so limited that once oppositions have figured him out he looks out of options. His offside game is non existent. He rarely plays straight and he struggles to find gaps in powerplay overs. It is no surprise he looks like lost on Aussir pitches when bowlers are bowling with off side line.These two frauds can add this to their collection of big match bottlejobs of:
- AUS SF (both batted too slowly on a belter leaving us 10-15 runs below par)
- Asia Cup final
- ENG series decider
- NZL tri-series final
- IND match in T20 WC
For over a year we've heard non-stop PR about these two.
Oh let's swoon over Babar's pretty cover-drives, doesn't matter that he's scoring at a mediocre SR.
Oh Rizwan got out of ICU to play in the SF, look at him doing khutbahs in mosques, praying on the field, playing through injury. What a soldier. Doesn't matter that he looks a tailender against movement and bounce, or his powergame is limited to legside.
Oh look at their averages, look at their ICC rankings.
My question has always been - what is their impact ? Are they winning matches for Pakistan ?
No, they always leave the dirty work to the middle order. We don't win the AFG or NZL matches in last year's WC, or 4th T20 vs ENG without Asif Ali's late hitting. We don't beat NZL in the tri-series final without Nawaz's cameo. There are more examples.
They never get ahead of the game, always they look to take chases deep even against Zimbabwe. They let the RRR climb and climb, and put so much pressure on the middle-order. And when they fail, they fool the fans with their 50 (40) and say "we did our job."
This gutless, cowardly and outdated approach has been thoroughly exposed on the world stage. I hope fans who kept giving [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] grief will apologise to him, he was exactly right about this duo.
One of the biggest reasons we lost today because we never tried our lower options. Rizwan and Baber were playing all matches opening the game playing majority of the overs. This is where they were behind preparations. PCB should have forced to rest both and allow others to get important match practice as well as confidence in their batting. Now we are seeing when these two departs we don't know how to approach our innings.
Also massive blunder by Baber today to play 6 bowlers and miss a batter on this pitch. Arguably one of the worst pick but it is no surprise when qudrat ka nizam hai is head coach and Baber with no brains is captain.
Babar and Rizwan were planning their usual con act today.
They wasted 20 balls, hoping to take Pakistan to a 10 wicket win, registering half-centuries at 130 SR and hugging it out on the pitch, pretending that they played blinders with their deluded fans praising them for saving a collapse.
Babar getting out in the fourth over was not part of the script and jolted his fellow con man who departed in the next over.
Why do these two look out of sorts suddenly in Australia. Just recently babar had a decent series in nz. But now Ireland and afghan pacers are making them struggle
I've watched the whole of the Pakistan innings against Zimbabwe a few times now.
What springs to mind is that both Babar and Rizwan had in their minds that they wanted a 10-wicket win, 50 not outs and if that meant them batting into the 19th or 20th over so be it.
Why do these two look out of sorts suddenly in Australia. Just recently babar had a decent series in nz. But now Ireland and afghan pacers are making them struggle
Pakistani's have always struggled down under, this is nothing new. Babar and Rizwan are experts on dead pitches but bounce is exposing their weaknesses.
Iftikhar and Shan are the only two who seem capable of doing anything. And Shan is slower than RizBab.
‘Experts’?
That’s why they strike it at 300 on dead pitches?
Babar and Rizwan were planning their usual con act today.
They wasted 20 balls, hoping to take Pakistan to a 10 wicket win, registering half-centuries at 130 SR and hugging it out on the pitch, pretending that they played blinders with their deluded fans praising them for saving a collapse.
Babar getting out in the fourth over was not part of the script and jolted his fellow con man who departed in the next over.
I've watched the whole of the Pakistan innings against Zimbabwe a few times now.
What springs to mind is that both Babar and Rizwan had in their minds that they wanted a 10-wicket win, 50 not outs and if that meant them batting into the 19th or 20th over so be it.
So we're done despite having King Babar and No.1 ranked T20 batsman maybe I guess its the system of nature
T20I rankings are completely worthless. Surya Kumar Yadav is more valuable than all Pakistan batsmen in T20I combined.
there are some people here who really think Rizwan is #1 T20 batsman of the world![]()
Classic example of them being selfish and putting their stats above Pakistan's interests.
Misbah burned the Pakistan T20 team by appointing Rizwan as an opener over real T20 openers like Sharjeel and Fakhar. That step alone sealed the fate of Pakistan's T20 team to be remain an average team and never go for the big win.
Sometimes I feel we have lost it as a nation.
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This gutless, cowardly and outdated approach has been thoroughly exposed on the world stage. I hope fans who kept giving [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] grief will apologise to him, he was exactly right about this duo.
Babar and Rizwan were planning their usual con act today.
They wasted 20 balls, hoping to take Pakistan to a 10 wicket win, registering half-centuries at 130 SR and hugging it out on the pitch, pretending that they played blinders with their deluded fans praising them for saving a collapse.
Babar getting out in the fourth over was not part of the script and jolted his fellow con man who departed in the next over.
Brother [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION], I'm back after a long time, and I'm so glad to see you're finally seeing the light.
Apart from [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION], I too have been very vocal about how pathetic Rizwan is.
I hope you remember that.
He's always been an extremely limited batter. Dead wickets, average bowlers and stats-padding approach gave him the #1 T20 ranking.
But, it's meaningless. He's an impact-less player, destined to fail at every big stage or when the ball bounces slightly more than he can handle. Let alone movement.
Sometimes I feel we have lost it as a nation.
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These two frauds can add this to their collection of big match bottlejobs of:
- AUS SF (both batted too slowly on a belter leaving us 10-15 runs below par)
- Asia Cup final
- ENG series decider
- NZL tri-series final
- IND match in T20 WC
For over a year we've heard non-stop PR about these two.
Oh let's swoon over Babar's pretty cover-drives, doesn't matter that he's scoring at a mediocre SR.
Oh Rizwan got out of ICU to play in the SF, look at him doing khutbahs in mosques, praying on the field, playing through injury. What a soldier. Doesn't matter that he looks a tailender against movement and bounce, or his powergame is limited to legside.
Oh look at their averages, look at their ICC rankings.
My question has always been - what is their impact ? Are they winning matches for Pakistan ?
No, they always leave the dirty work to the middle order. We don't win the AFG or NZL matches in last year's WC, or 4th T20 vs ENG without Asif Ali's late hitting. We don't beat NZL in the tri-series final without Nawaz's cameo. There are more examples.
They never get ahead of the game, always they look to take chases deep even against Zimbabwe. They let the RRR climb and climb, and put so much pressure on the middle-order. And when they fail, they fool the fans with their 50 (40) and say "we did our job."
This gutless, cowardly and outdated approach has been thoroughly exposed on the world stage. I hope fans who kept giving [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] grief will apologise to him, he was exactly right about this duo.
But that extra money is peanuts for some cricketers I guess.I was having a chat yesterday with a guy who works for a sports agency.
He was saying that some cricketers have deals where they are paid bonuses by their sponsors and kit providers for the number of 50s and 100s they score. So in effect it's their individual performance where they earn extra money rather than the team performance.
He was suggesting that perhaps that is an incentive for some Pakistani players at the moment.
But that extra money is peanuts for some cricketers I guess.
Good to see you back bro. You’re the OG who was against Rizwan. Even though I disagreed with you back then, it’s apparent now that with his current limitations he’s just as limited as Sarfraz was on these pitches
Bump
Na rulao becharon ko please....
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan opening in T20Is:<br><br>Innings 51<br>Runs 2509<br>Average 51.20<br>Hundred partnerships 9<br>Fifty partnerships 9<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/t20worldcup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#t20worldcup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1590297939968081921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the 9th opening partnership of 100 or more by Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam in T20Is - the most by any batting duo in the history of T20Is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1590295110604165122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
the amount of hate they gave to both these guys and how they wanted them to be dropped.
Forget posters, even ex cricketers like Saleem malik saying God has sent us here and we will mess it up if we dont remove either
We have to thank Conway for that otherwise Babar was a goner!
We have to thank Conway for that otherwise Babar was a goner!