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[VIDEOS] Long may the Babar-Rizwan partnership continue

they did not cost us the match today. no matter what posters here say. MCG requires rotation of strike, not boundaries. When Rizwan got out, Harris approached failed, he played 5 dot balls upfront.

Issue was never babar and rizwan and too at MCG it was never them.
 
Major said:
they did not cost us the match today. no matter what posters here say. MCG requires rotation of strike, not boundaries. When Rizwan got out, Harris approached failed, he played 5 dot balls upfront.

Issue was never babar and rizwan and too at MCG it was never them.
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You have a right to believe what you want...but Babar and Rizwan have the right to continue to prove you wrong....I repeat 🤣
 
Major said:
they did not cost us the match today. no matter what posters here say. MCG requires rotation of strike, not boundaries. When Rizwan got out, Harris approached failed, he played 5 dot balls upfront.

Issue was never babar and rizwan and too at MCG it was never them.
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I fully agree. It’s been a tough venue for openers. Babar was batting beautifully until his dismissal. I knew it was the turning point as the batsmen to follow don’t have it in them to play according to MCG conditions
 
Ahmed216 said:
I fully agree. It’s been a tough venue for openers. Babar was batting beautifully until his dismissal. I knew it was the turning point as the batsmen to follow don’t have it in them to play according to MCG conditions
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fans dont understand this, they think every ground is UAE.

Its MCG and you have to play according to MCG. Shan played according to the ground, but other players just bottle it. Trying to hit it out of a ground where you cant hit/
 
Pakistan were 84 in 11 overs in a low scoring game. They were put in in overcast conditions. The platform was set for a 160.

I won't use this match to build a case for their removal.
 
Major said:
they did not cost us the match today. no matter what posters here say. MCG requires rotation of strike, not boundaries. When Rizwan got out, Harris approached failed, he played 5 dot balls upfront.

Issue was never babar and rizwan and too at MCG it was never them.
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They both failed with the bat. They scored 47 runs off 42 balls with a combined total strike rate of 111. I get that at the MCG it's tougher to score boundaries but that's not an excuse to bat so slowly during the powerplay.

As long as they've done Misbah proud with their sedate approach, that's all that matters right?
 
IMMY69 said:
Only those that know nothing about cricket would bump this thread and blame Babar and Rizwan for todays loss.
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Immy please look at the raw numbers for Babar and Rizwan in this tournament and leave aside emotions.

Babar - avg 17 at 93 SR.
Rizwan - avg 25 at 109 SR.

Yes early season AUS conditions has made opening tricky, and the white Kookaburra has swung. However given the hype around this pair and their often quoted ICC rankings - people expected much more and they failed to deliver except in SF.

As I've said repeatedly - it's not just this tournament where Rizwan and Babar came unstuck in a big match and failed to utilise the PP. There's a fairly large sample across a variety of conditions.

For all the flak Hasan Ali got for his drop, Babar and Rizwan's innings were too slow on a Dubai belter in last year's AUS SF, leaving us below par. In the NZ tri-series, it was our middle order who finished chases after the openers let the RRR soar. They failed in the ENG series decider, and also in the Asia Cup where Babar couldn't buy a run while Rizwan allowed the RRR to reach 14 in the Final ! How many more examples do you guys need ?

What irks fans like me is the management treating them as untouchable and not trying different opening pairs even in dead rubbers.

Now we've a clear choice - either let a fluky runners-up place (which we should part dedicate to the Dutch) mask our deficiencies or we take the tough decisions necessary to improve our team and avoid another Cup Final heartbreak.
 
topspin said:
They both failed with the bat. They scored 47 runs off 42 balls with a combined total strike rate of 111. I get that at the MCG it's tougher to score boundaries but that's not an excuse to bat so slowly during the powerplay.

As long as they've done Misbah proud with their sedate approach, that's all that matters right?
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yes it is an excuse to bat at a lower strike rate.

When Babr and rizwan batted, there was no issue at all. Harris giving dots, ifti giving dots that created problems.

Babar's intent was right, playing drives to get boundaries, but they were being stopped by the fielder.
 
Rizwan missing out on the free hit was another big moment I feel. A boundary there would have really set the tone for the innings
 
asadee said:
Rizwan missing out on the free hit was another big moment I feel. A boundary there would have really set the tone for the innings
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How so?

Would the boundary have changed the wicket?
Would it have miraculously flattened out?

Would it have stopped our middle order from playing brainless shots when singles and doubles were the order of the day?

Please do explain because I'm intrigued
 
I have criticised Rizwan and Babar alot during this WC, but today you can't only blame them. On this wicket you need proper batsmen with sound technique. Rizwan would always struggle on this wicket beacause of the bounce and swing, so the six he hit were bonus runs. Babar should have played full 20 overs but he got a good one from Adil.

Shan was looking good, this wicket suited him and he found the gaps, but got out at wrong time,should have kept the ball on ground, square boundary was huge, he was never going to clear it.

Main problem today was Haris and Ifitikhar. Haris came in and swinged like a fool, had he tried to find the gaps early on he could for big shots later.But he is just 21, hopefully he will learn from this and go back and work harder, he could be a reall asset next WC. Iftikhar completely bottled against Rasheed and stupid of management to send him before Shadab or even Nawaz.
 
IMMY69 said:
How so?

Would the boundary have changed the wicket?
Would it have miraculously flattened out?

Would it have stopped our middle order from playing brainless shots when singles and doubles were the order of the day?

Please do explain because I'm intrigued
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Just like Babar being dropped on 0* apparently made everyone forget about his horror show for 8-10 weeks or so
 
Bottled back to back finals. Only did well against New Zealand in the semifinal because they were chasing a modest total.

If Pakistan were batting first they would have bottled that one as well.

Why should this con-act continue?
 
Mamoon said:
Bottled back to back finals. Only did well against New Zealand in the semifinal because they were chasing a modest total.

If Pakistan were batting first they would have bottled that one as well.

Why should this con-act continue?
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Because they draw in easy cash for PCB
 
Shan Masood
Muhammad Haris
Babar Azam
Iftikhar
Shadab
Nawaz
Rizwan

This should've been our batting order with the players we had in the squad. I always believed Shan was a good selection for Australian conditions and I had no doubt in my mind that he should've been the one opening instead of batting at 4.

I must admit I didn't know anything about Harris until this tournament but he should've been experimented as an opener in the 7 match series, tri series and/or the warm up games. But that idea would've gone over the heads of our management.

But what I did know is Rizwan didn't have the technique to opening on faster wickets with bounce and I'd always leave him till last, just like how India were hiding DK at number 8. He's been found out.

Pakistan really needs a good overseas coach who knows how to utilise his reserve players in meaningless bilaterals. Pakistani coaches will never grasp squad rotation.
 
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Tricky wicket today but their approach was all wrong.

You needed strike rotation and 2s. Instead, we saw them block, play and miss, block, play and miss.

Even on a tricky track such as this, 29 runs from 26 balls was very poor.
 
Saj said:
Tricky wicket today but their approach was all wrong.

You needed strike rotation and 2s. Instead, we saw them block, play and miss, block, play and miss.

Even on a tricky track such as this, 29 runs from 26 balls was very poor.
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Not it wasn't...
Firstly Rizwan wasn't in for long enough and Haris showed you how difficult it was by playing 6 dot balls.
They were also batting first so didn't know how the pitch would play...

The approach of the openers is the one thing that can't be faulted today.
The approach of the lower order can be as by then it was obvious to everyone that this was 150-160 wicket
 
The openers and Iftikhar cost Pakistan today the senior players need to stand up in the big matches the middle order has contributed in the past the pitch wasn’t good enough for the aggressive batsmen to do their power hitting.

Pakistan miscalculated their target still 150 might not have been enough.
 
PP team advisory.

A number of you have to learn to become more accepting of the differing opinions of others, and not just launch into sarcastic comments and insults.
 
Mamoon said:
Bottled back to back finals. Only did well against New Zealand in the semifinal because they were chasing a modest total.

If Pakistan were batting first they would have bottled that one as well.

Why should this con-act continue?
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You won tri series because of Nawaz and Ifti right!!
 
IMMY69 said:
Not it wasn't...
Firstly Rizwan wasn't in for long enough and Haris showed you how difficult it was by playing 6 dot balls.
They were also batting first so didn't know how the pitch would play...

The approach of the openers is the one thing that can't be faulted today.
The approach of the lower order can be as by then it was obvious to everyone that this was 150-160 wicket
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The approach can’t be faulted? They scored 1 boundary each in the PP
 
Rizwan and Babar are king of bilateral, but in big games these guys will always go missing.
 
Babar and Rizwan made Shan Masood look like Don Bradman.

There needs to be changes ASAP, starting with the opening duo that take no advantage of the powerplay.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Babar and Rizwan made Shan Masood look like Don Bradman.

There needs to be changes ASAP, starting with the opening duo that take no advantage of the powerplay.
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The first over went for 7
The fourth over went for 12
Then Babar got out and Haris took 6 balls to get off the mark, that a whole over the in power play.

This is aimed at everyone who thinks that it was Babar/Rizwan who were too slow given the match snd the conditions...
 
IMMY69 said:
The first over went for 7
The fourth over went for 12
Then Babar got out and Haris took 6 balls to get off the mark, that a whole over the in power play.

This is aimed at everyone who thinks that it was Babar/Rizwan who were too slow given the match snd the conditions...
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How about Rizwan not being able to connect a free hit before a legal ball is bowled?
How about Babar hitting 2-3 boundaries straight to fielders in the PP?
How about Babar misreading a long hop googly and playing the worst shot of the match by both teams?
If you can blame Haris (who Pak wouldn't be here without, is 21 years old, and wasn't even part of the main 11) for missing while trying to hit out the last 4 balls of a PP, then you can surely find issue with the approach of their two most experienced and supposedly "best" batters. Buttler's innings made sure England didn't really feel scoreboard pressure during their innings. Babar and Rizwan do the opposite in almost every match and nothing was different today.
 
IMMY69 said:
Not it wasn't...
Firstly Rizwan wasn't in for long enough and Haris showed you how difficult it was by playing 6 dot balls.
They were also batting first so didn't know how the pitch would play...

The approach of the openers is the one thing that can't be faulted today.
The approach of the lower order can be as by then it was obvious to everyone that this was 150-160 wicket
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29 off 26 balls with the field in and only 2 fielders outside the circle is poor by any standards.

Nobody was expecting 50 off 26 balls but with a bit more planning and skill they could have worked more singles and twos.
 
rajulakhpati said:
How about Rizwan not being able to connect a free hit before a legal ball is bowled?
How about Babar hitting 2-3 boundaries straight to fielders in the PP?
How about Babar misreading a long hop googly and playing the worst shot of the match by both teams?
If you can blame Haris (who Pak wouldn't be here without, is 21 years old, and wasn't even part of the main 11) for missing while trying to hit out the last 4 balls of a PP, then you can surely find issue with the approach of their two most experienced and supposedly "best" batters. Buttler's innings made sure England didn't really feel scoreboard pressure during their innings. Babar and Rizwan do the opposite in almost every match and nothing was different today.
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Firstly you need to distinguish between an analysis and criticism.
When did I ever blame Haris?
It was be churlish to blame him especially if he goes on to make a quick 30-40 runs... just like we would be praising the openers if they had taken another 8-10 runs off Curran's over, besting in mind we had just taken 12 off Woakes over..

My point was and remains that this loss was not due to our openers.
Anyone who says it was is living in cloud cuckoo land
 
Saj said:
29 off 26 balls with the field in and only 2 fielders outside the circle is poor by any standards.

Nobody was expecting 50 off 26 balls but with a bit more planning and skill they could have worked more singles and twos.
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and yet we were not far behind England after 7 overs despite England having hit more boundaries... they had even lost an extra wicket then Pakistan.
Fundamentally, we could have won that game even with the score we posted because we were competitive until the moment Shaheen got injured.

With 20 runs more it would hsvr added even more scoreboard pressure especially when England had lost their fourth wicket. At that stage it would have been 75 needed off 45 as opposed to 55 off 45...

Finally, if you have openers making 50 odd in the PP in the previous game then you have yourself why they couldn't do it in this game... why Haris also struggled initially when he was biting boundaries in the last two games?
 
IMMY69 said:
and yet we were not far behind England after 7 overs despite England having hit more boundaries... they had even lost an extra wicket then Pakistan.
Fundamentally, we could have won that game even with the score we posted because we were competitive until the moment Shaheen got injured.

With 20 runs more it would hsvr added even more scoreboard pressure especially when England had lost their fourth wicket. At that stage it would have been 75 needed off 45 as opposed to 55 off 45...

Finally, if you have openers making 50 odd in the PP in the previous game then you have yourself why they couldn't do it in this game... why Haris also struggled initially when he was biting boundaries in the last two games?
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England were only chasing 138 to win.

They didn't need an explosive first 6 overs.

Whereas Pakistan were setting a target. As I said, Pakistan didn't need to go crazy, they just needed a bit more urgency and skill and that would have improved the weak 29 off 26 balls.
 
No 4 5 6 won the game for England. Can someone tell me what did ours do?
 
Energy said:
No 4 5 6 won the game for England. Can someone tell me what did ours do?
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Our 4,5,6 don’t know who they are in the first place

What do you expect those guys to do? They are told their batting numbers on the spot
 
The only roles that are clear in the Pakistan XI

1. Rizwan knows he is batting on the no.1 position and Babar knows he is batting on the no.2 position

2. Shaheen knows he will bowl the first over of any innings

3. Shadab understands he will bowl the 7th over (straight after powerplay) and will most likely bowl out

Come at me if I’m wrong. No one besides these 3 roles knows what their actual job is in this team
 
Today's game was crying out for a 70 (49) from either Babar or Rizwan. It was a very tricky surface and someone needed to take the game deep.

160 would have been a winning score today.

Nonetheless i believe it's time to try a new opening combination. Babar will still be effective at 3. Haris has earnt a shot at opener or even Shan to try the l/r combination. If it doesn't work as well as RizBab we will know soon enough.
 
IMMY69 said:
Firstly you need to distinguish between an analysis and criticism.
When did I ever blame Haris?
It was be churlish to blame him especially if he goes on to make a quick 30-40 runs... just like we would be praising the openers if they had taken another 8-10 runs off Curran's over, besting in mind we had just taken 12 off Woakes over..

My point was and remains that this loss was not due to our openers.
Anyone who says it was is living in cloud cuckoo land
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Cherry picking the 4 balls that Haris dotted in Curran's over seems definitely like an analysis that puts the blame on him lol. Choosing to ignore the fact that they only hit 3 boundaries in the PP one of which belonged to Haris while most of the PP was played by the other two seems selective. The second half of the innings collapse is probably the reason for this loss but it was setup by the top two as it has been this entire tournament.
 
Great opening pairs of modern era

Hayden Gilchrist use to complement each other with strike rotation and boundaries in fact both were aggressors

Jayasuriya Kalu, they just broke hell bombarding the bowlers with brutal hitting and getting upper hand on opposition

McCullum Guptill same with them hard hitters and good in strike rotation

Intact some great but moderate pairs like Smith and Amla had good strike rotation so were Sehwag and Gambhir.

What Rizbar has, they lack strike rotation can't use the long handle and unable to dominate the opposition, a couple of instances when they had long partnerships even then they were unable to completely decimate the opposition, like what Buttler and Hales. Such is the paradox regarding RizBar success that Babar when batting w/o Rizwan averages higher than in RizBar mode,yet only delusional supporters hail them day and night.
 
Kianig89 said:
Great opening pairs of modern era

Hayden Gilchrist use to complement each other with strike rotation and boundaries in fact both were aggressors

Jayasuriya Kalu, they just broke hell bombarding the bowlers with brutal hitting and getting upper hand on opposition

McCullum Guptill same with them hard hitters and good in strike rotation

Intact some great but moderate pairs like Smith and Amla had good strike rotation so were Sehwag and Gambhir.

What Rizbar has, they lack strike rotation can't use the long handle and unable to dominate the opposition, a couple of instances when they had long partnerships even then they were unable to completely decimate the opposition, like what Buttler and Hales. Such is the paradox regarding RizBar success that Babar when batting w/o Rizwan averages higher than in RizBar mode,yet only delusional supporters hail them day and night.
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Agree. Playing 18 dot ball in powerplay reflects extremely poor strike rotation. Then Iftikhar played 12th over as maiden which also shifted the momentum. Similarly in first game against India, Rizwan played 1st over as maiden. Playing maiden over in T20 cricket and too in PP is pathetic mindset as it straightaway curtails the innings to 19 overs
 
Pakistan have made the WT20 2021 semis, Asia Cup finals, and the WT20 2022 finals with the RizBar partnership. First of all, and just to get this out of the way, to call this pair a failure is just a straight over-exaggeration. The aforementioned results, from an opening batting perspective, are the furthest that Pakistan have reached in multi-nation tournaments and it is safe to say that that is the ceiling. However, their flaw of not utilizing the PP to its fullest is there for everyone to see and for the sake of better PP usage, Babar needs to bat at 3 and Fakhar/Haris should open with Rizwan and have the license to attack. Pakistan do not have the ball striking talent of India, England, SA, Australia and New Zealand but at the very least they need to make the most out of the batsmen that they have in their arsenal.
 
This partnership will break now as the focus will be drawn toward the 50 over world cup.

Imam and Abdullah should be back at the top if Fakhar is injured. Babar will slot back to 3 and Rizwan will bat in the middle. We need to find 2 other batsmen and now is the time to bring your best young domestic players in the reckoning. Haris, Ghulam, Saim et al should all come to the forefront and Haider, Khushdil, Asif, Iftikhar need to be shown the door.
 
Kianig89 said:
Great opening pairs of modern era

Hayden Gilchrist use to complement each other with strike rotation and boundaries in fact both were aggressors

Jayasuriya Kalu, they just broke hell bombarding the bowlers with brutal hitting and getting upper hand on opposition

McCullum Guptill same with them hard hitters and good in strike rotation

Intact some great but moderate pairs like Smith and Amla had good strike rotation so were Sehwag and Gambhir.

What Rizbar has, they lack strike rotation can't use the long handle and unable to dominate the opposition, a couple of instances when they had long partnerships even then they were unable to completely decimate the opposition, like what Buttler and Hales. Such is the paradox regarding RizBar success that Babar when batting w/o Rizwan averages higher than in RizBar mode,yet only delusional supporters hail them day and night.
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Funny thing is that the final was beautifully set for one of their run a ball 50s, where a performance like that would be match winning. Probably the ONLY time in a t20 tournament where their approach was ripe to be uused and they both failed. I don’t know if they’ll ever get an opportunity like that again, where the pitch and the ground size were perfectly poised for a 50 off 40 balls. They’ve been doing it all year and just had to do it one more time. Nothing out of the ordinary for them.

That’s the thing when you’re low on confidence. Even when you’re right, you don’t think you are. Both were ultra tense in their finals innings. Just had to do the ol’ faithful that they’ve been doing in Asia and they would’ve been golden. Would’ve silenced all their criticisms for that one night.

What’s the use of Hayden and Tait in the squad if they couldn’t have looked at the pitch and the ground and told the team that hey you know what, we’ve played on this ground hundreds of times- don’t even bother looking for 170. Score 150-160 and this game is in the bag.
 
In an interview with Sky Sports Cricket (Mike Atherton), Rizwan revealed how the partnership with Babar against India “changed” his life in Pakistan.

“When we won against India, that time, I thought it was only a match for me. It was because we won that game easily. But when I came to Pakistan, I realised how much it meant. Whenever I went to a shop, they won't take money from me. They would say, 'you go, you go. I won't take money from you!'”

“People would say, 'everything is free for you here'. This is the love from all of Pakistan after that match"
 
MenInG said:
In an interview with Sky Sports Cricket (Mike Atherton), Rizwan revealed how the partnership with Babar against India “changed” his life in Pakistan.

“When we won against India, that time, I thought it was only a match for me. It was because we won that game easily. But when I came to Pakistan, I realised how much it meant. Whenever I went to a shop, they won't take money from me. They would say, 'you go, you go. I won't take money from you!'”

“People would say, 'everything is free for you here'. This is the love from all of Pakistan after that match"
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And that was also the turning point where you went into your shell as a t20 batsman once and for all. There was definitely a mental shift for you and Babar after the game. You stopped taking risks at all as a t20 batsman and became content with scoring at run a ball in a format like t20.

You’ll hear a Pakistani player talk about this India Pak group game as if they lifted a World Cup, but never the inverse. An Indian player will never talk like this after beating Pak.

And this is exactly why India holds the psychological edge in 99% of our World Cup encounters. It’s just another game for them.

Actions speak a 1000 words, just watch the most recent t20 WC group stage game for reference.
 
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Ramiz Raja on his YT:

"Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam were under a lot of pressure. The pressure was created on Babar's captaincy for no reason, unfortunately. This is how a team's atmospheres are spoiled. He is being asked tough questions and being put into pointless controversies. This team has done well recently in white-ball cricket as they have avoided controversy and been consistent with their combination. He played a very good knock under pressure,"
 
This partnership is cancerous in white ball cricket. They like to pretend they are some legendary partnership like Tendulkar-Ganguly & Greenidge-Haynes but in reality, they are awful together.

In my opinion, their partnership was the biggest reason for the loss today. They should have handled the situation better & put some pressure back on New Zealand.
 
MenInG said:
Ramiz Raja on his YT:

"Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam were under a lot of pressure. The pressure was created on Babar's captaincy for no reason, unfortunately. This is how a team's atmospheres are spoiled. He is being asked tough questions and being put into pointless controversies. This team has done well recently in white-ball cricket as they have avoided controversy and been consistent with their combination. He played a very good knock under pressure,"
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Is he really suggesting that captain shouldn't be asked tough questions?

Any professional setup will have people getting ready for tough questions. It's not that someone is scolding them.
 
Both Babar & Rizwan bat better without each other. They need to stop pretending they have chemistry on the pitch. They don’t. They are disastrous together.
 
Very hard to support Pakistan with this partnership

At least for me it is
 
Rana said:
Very hard to support Pakistan with this partnership

At least for me it is
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Rizwan and Babar combined for 55 off 99 balls.

All other partnerships (except Haris and Babar) were like run a ball.

Tells you who is a problem on the team.
 
Terrible partnership today. Both of them at fault. Just had no clue how to play spin. Was very surprised Rizwan never once tried the reverse sweep.

A difficult pitch was no excuse to have the partnership bat at 55 SR.

Salman Agha came and schooled both Babar and Rizwan with his proactiveness on the same pitch. Salman Agha is easily the best player of spin we have in the country.
 
Mamoon said:
This partnership is cancerous in white ball cricket. They like to pretend they are some legendary partnership like Tendulkar-Ganguly & Greenidge-Haynes but in reality, they are awful together.

In my opinion, their partnership was the biggest reason for the loss today. They should have handled the situation better & put some pressure back on New Zealand.
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When they bat alone the onus of hitting boundaries is on the other player.
But then when they play together they get confused, both think that the other will accelerate. :inti
 
They lost 2 quick wickets early in the innings and the wicket was not easy to bat on. These sort of rebuilding innings was expected from them, so that they could attack once set on the crease. But unfortunately they keep on loosing wickets.You need to have a batting line up of eng, aus or india to play attacking cricket on such pitches even after loosing quick wickets. Moreover same batsmans were responsible for chasing successfully in the last game along with fakhar.
 
Once they had batted a few overs and got settled in they should have shown more urgency particularly in looking for singles.

Instead they blocked and blocked.

The problem was that both were playing anchor roles and the pressure was just increasing on themselves and the rest of the batters.
 
Saj said:
Once they had batted a few overs and got settled in they should have shown more urgency particularly in looking for singles.

Instead they blocked and blocked.

The problem was that both were playing anchor roles and the pressure was just increasing on themselves and the rest of the batters.
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I don't think the required run rate climbed so high that it was not achievable during later stages. They regularly lost wickets that cost them the game. Even the run rate was manageable when babar and salman were batting. The pitch was not that easy that babar-riz would have easily rotated the strikes against spinners. They need to play cautiously there and hit the odd boundaries on loose deliveries.
 
I think rizwan should bat in the opening slot or bat at 5 if not take him out of the squad.
 
Jazx said:
I don't think the required run rate climbed so high that it was not achievable during later stages. They regularly lost wickets that cost them the game. Even the run rate was manageable when babar and salman were batting. The pitch was not that easy that babar-riz would have easily rotated the strikes against spinners. They need to play cautiously there and hit the odd boundaries on loose deliveries.
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Needing 7 or 8 runs per over on that wicket was like 12 or 13 an over on most wickets.

When Rizwan was out Pakistan were 64/3 from 20 overs, needing 198 from 30 overs.

Babar and Rizwan scored 55 in 16.3 overs (99 balls)
 
Not their best day.

Rizwan’s technique was all over the place and Babar could have easily been out 3 or 4 times.

Probably just a one off blip.
 
Saj said:
Needing 7 or 8 runs per over on that wicket was like 12 or 13 an over on most wickets.

When Rizwan was out Pakistan were 64/3 from 20 overs, needing 198 from 30 overs.

Babar and Rizwan scored 55 in 16.3 overs (99 balls)
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You yourself admitted that the pitch was so difficult that 7-8 runs per over was like 12-13. Then you are expecting riz-babar to score at a brisk pace on that wicket after a disastrous start by the openers. Needing 198 from 30 overs can't be achieved by just slogging on that wicket. You need to build partnerships and take the game deeper if the conditions are not helpfull for batting. You don't have a virat or smith in your lineup who could play a masters innings, you don't have a butler or bairstow who can hit agianst the spin and clear the ropes easily, you don't have an sky in your lineup who can play 360 degree and counter attack.
 
Babar and Rizwan epitomise the mediocre mentality of this team.

Babar is a special talent but I think if it takes getting rid off him and rizwan from the team to break this spell of mediocrity and stat padding, I’m all for it.
 
And then we cry why no one in Karachi comes to watch games anymore :)))

You really think the busy people of Karachi are going to sit through 2 hours of traffic just to see Rizwan mistime the ball around at a grand SR of 50-70 with the game going nowhere but into the ground?

Yeah, no. Maybe if we had some blockbuster players again, crowds would start lining up too.
 
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It's all so predictable. Watch them get us humiliated in India.

Their arrogance and selfishness is infinite.
 
ArabKnight said:
Rizwan and Babar combined for 55 off 99 balls.

All other partnerships (except Haris and Babar) were like run a ball.

Tells you who is a problem on the team.
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When a team gets bowled out with 7 overs left, strike rate should be the least of concerns
 
Jazx said:
You yourself admitted that the pitch was so difficult that 7-8 runs per over was like 12-13. Then you are expecting riz-babar to score at a brisk pace on that wicket after a disastrous start by the openers. Needing 198 from 30 overs can't be achieved by just slogging on that wicket. You need to build partnerships and take the game deeper if the conditions are not helpfull for batting. You don't have a virat or smith in your lineup who could play a masters innings, you don't have a butler or bairstow who can hit agianst the spin and clear the ropes easily, you don't have an sky in your lineup who can play 360 degree and counter attack.
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55 off 16.3 overs was not good enough whichever way you look at it.

It showed no urgency, it built pressure on themselves and the rest of the team.
 
Saj said:
55 off 16.3 overs was not good enough whichever way you look at it.

It showed no urgency, it built pressure on themselves and the rest of the team.
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If the pressure was really built because of run rate then rest of the main batsmans would have out on trying to play aggressivly. But that was not the case, they simply were not able to stay on the wicket. Some were bowled, lbw and run outs. When the team gets all out before 7-8 overs left then its not the run rate, its the failure of not staying on the wicket and building partnerships.
 
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Jazx said:
If the pressure was really built because of run rate then rest of the main batsmans would have out on trying to play aggressivly. But that was not the case, they simply were not able to stay on the wicket. Some were bowled, lbw and run outs. When the team gets all out before 7-8 overs left then its not the run rate, its the failure of not staying on the wicket and building partnerships.
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If you are happy with 2 of your main batters stumbling to score 55 off 99 balls with dot ball after dot ball, then that's up to you.

For me and probably many others they could have both showed a lot more urgency without taking too many risks. Working the ball around, more urgency in the running, targeting some of NZ's weaker bowlers and they would have put the opposition under pressure, but they did nothing.
 
"Long may the Babar-Rizwan partnership continue"

Yup that's what every opponent of Pakistan will be praying as well.
 
daytrader said:
When a team gets bowled out with 7 overs left, strike rate should be the least of concerns
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Did you know the slow SR caused the collapse?

It led to Babar running out 2 of his own teammates, including Salman Agha who was playing a heroic innings and would have led to victory if Babar and Rizwan had not batted slow.
 
ArabKnight said:
Did you know the slow SR caused the collapse?

It led to Babar running out 2 of his own teammates, including Salman Agha who was playing a heroic innings and would have led to victory if Babar and Rizwan had not batted slow.
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Not really, the collapse started in the power play when we were 9/2
 
daytrader said:
Not really, the collapse started in the power play when we were 9/2
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True but things got progressively worst.

I think people would have been probably ok if both batters had showed some urgency after settling in.
 
Saj said:
If you are happy with 2 of your main batters stumbling to score 55 off 99 balls with dot ball after dot ball, then that's up to you.

For me and probably many others they could have both showed a lot more urgency without taking too many risks. Working the ball around, more urgency in the running, targeting some of NZ's weaker bowlers and they would have put the opposition under pressure, but they did nothing.
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No i am not happy with anything here. I just want to say that the wicket was not good enough to bat on freely and they lost 2 early wickets. And if you understands cricket then what you saw later on in the innings was pretty obvious. If the wickets would not have gone at regular intervals then the match could have definitely gone deeper and closer.
 
Jazx said:
No i am not happy with anything here. I just want to say that the wicket was not good enough to bat on freely and they lost 2 early wickets. And if you understands cricket then what you saw later on in the innings was pretty obvious. If the wickets would not have gone at regular intervals then the match could have definitely gone deeper and closer.
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I understand cricket and I understand that 55 runs from 99 balls by two of your top order batters when chasing that total was not acceptable.

Nobody was asking them to lose wickets and go crazy, rather just show more urgency.
 
Babar in an interview

"Yes, me and Rizwan, we have a different chemistry when we play for Pakistan. Now he's playing for his franchise team, and I am playing for my own, so everyone is playing with their partners in their respective team"
 
MenInG said:
Babar in an interview

"Yes, me and Rizwan, we have a different chemistry when we play for Pakistan. Now he's playing for his franchise team, and I am playing for my own, so everyone is playing with their partners in their respective team"
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This is just so cringe
 
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