[VIDEOS] Naseem Shah - A failed experiment?

[moghul]

Sameen Gul is there

Look at his stats https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/sameen-gul-922947

Only thing that looks good on Naseem Shah's part is that he is more handsome...

Looks like Sameen has no backing , otherwise he should have been given chance at national level by now. He is young , has lively pace and has been doing well for many years now .

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

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This post exemplifies why Pakistani fans are the most delusional in the world.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot - a Pakistani bowler played a starring role in helping his country win a World Cup in his debut year in international cricket compared to a bowler who has been treated like a joke every time he has played against a big team in Test cricket and can’t even break into the LOI squad.

Pakistani fans would roll on the floor over such a comparison.

Naseem is a rubbish bowler who has never performed against a good team and can’t even get into the LOI squad. He neither has a past or a future. Archer might not have a future but he has a past that Naseem will probably never eclipse even if he plays for a decade which I don’t think he will considering how awful his bowling is.

Archer’s 2019 alone is bigger than anything Naseem “I like to see fear in batsmen’s eyes but please hit me for a four every over” Shah will achieve in his career.

Only Pakistani fans have the audacity to compare a World Cup winner to a nobody.

Anyone who saw that World Cup knows that the biggest reason that England won it was Ben Stokes. Archer had a major contribution in it, but as did Wood and Root and Bairstow and many others.

And if you think that being a 'World Cup winner' is something to hang your hat on for any cricketer who wants to be taken seriously than you don't know what you are talking about. James Faulkner is a World Cup winner too and unlike Archer he actually won Man of the Match for his performance in the final. Doesn't mean anyone will remember him 20 years from now.

Also wow, you must be a bitter individual to say all this about a 20 something year old fast-bowler whose career has just started. However, none of what you say changes what everyone already sees in Naseem. Which is that he has all the makings of a fearsome fast-bowler if he can keep his injuries in check. He has a lot of time to grow and develop.

Archer on the other hand does not. And is unquestionably the most overrated bowler in the world. I honestly can't recall the last time a bowler was this overhyped despite doing precious little of significance. He does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Cummins, Bumrah, Rabada and Shaheen, and being as injury-prone as he is and 26 years of age, he doesn't have much time left to make a mark.

I would always take a raw talent like Naseem who could be molded into a complete bowler, rather than an overrated, overhyped and injury-prone fast-bowler who will likely be a T20 mercenary a few years from now.

 

[Forum363]

Anyone who saw that World Cup knows that the biggest reason that England won it was Ben Stokes. Archer had a major contribution in it, but as did Wood and Root and Bairstow and many others.

And if you think that being a 'World Cup winner' is something to hang your hat on for any cricketer who wants to be taken seriously than you don't know what you are talking about. James Faulkner is a World Cup winner too and unlike Archer he actually won Man of the Match for his performance in the final. Doesn't mean anyone will remember him 20 years from now.

Also wow, you must be a bitter individual to say all this about a 20 something year old fast-bowler whose career has just started. However, none of what you say changes what everyone already sees in Naseem. Which is that he has all the makings of a fearsome fast-bowler if he can keep his injuries in check. He has a lot of time to grow and develop.

Archer on the other hand does not. And is unquestionably the most overrated bowler in the world. I honestly can't recall the last time a bowler was this overhyped despite doing precious little of significance. He does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Cummins, Bumrah, Rabada and Shaheen, and being as injury-prone as he is and 26 years of age, he doesn't have much time left to make a mark.

I would always take a raw talent like Naseem who could be molded into a complete bowler, rather than an overrated, overhyped and injury-prone fast-bowler who will likely be a T20 mercenary a few years from now.

Thank you - POTW. This so perfectly sums up what I have been trying to say about Naseem and the unfair treatment he has been getting in comparison to someone like Archer.

The fact is Mitchell Starc has performed better than Archer did in multiple world cups and has performances in all formats. But rightfully he is not compared to the likes to Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah etc.

However Archer after one good performance at home, has become the most overrated cricketer in history.

While Naseem is constantly hated even for making statements that are deemed to be too aggressive. Archer literally broke rules, lied, put hundreds of people and tens of millions of pounds at risk, and then had the audacity to play the victim card because he had to be in the air conditioned hotel room for a couple of days. He also tweeted and argued with (fair) criticism on him online during a test match.

Give Naseem a break. He has a lot of potential, far more than any other young bowler in the world right now (not counting Shaheen who is established).

 

[shamaan]

All this complaining about him. He is 19 , has played the least experienced first class cricketer in both teams and he was sent to bowl fast on the most dead track in the last few years. I mean this is a track where Imam ul Haq who hadnt played test cricket for ages and people were mocking why he was selected over Shan Masood scored 2 centuries. A track where an out of form Smith almost got a 100. Give the kid some slack. Just like on a dead pitch a 100 shouldnt count as a game changer, neither should a bowler going for 4 rpo for attacking the wickets

Looks like Sameen has no backing , otherwise he should have been given chance at national level by now. He is young , has lively pace and has been doing well for many years now .

Sameen Gull has fitness issues.

 

[MenInG]

Guess its back to the wilderness for Naseem - don't see him playing in this series again unless injuries happen

 

[Mamoon]

Anyone who saw that World Cup knows that the biggest reason that England won it was Ben Stokes. Archer had a major contribution in it, but as did Wood and Root and Bairstow and many others.

And if you think that being a 'World Cup winner' is something to hang your hat on for any cricketer who wants to be taken seriously than you don't know what you are talking about. James Faulkner is a World Cup winner too and unlike Archer he actually won Man of the Match for his performance in the final. Doesn't mean anyone will remember him 20 years from now.

Also wow, you must be a bitter individual to say all this about a 20 something year old fast-bowler whose career has just started. However, none of what you say changes what everyone already sees in Naseem. Which is that he has all the makings of a fearsome fast-bowler if he can keep his injuries in check. He has a lot of time to grow and develop.

Archer on the other hand does not. And is unquestionably the most overrated bowler in the world. I honestly can't recall the last time a bowler was this overhyped despite doing precious little of significance. He does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Cummins, Bumrah, Rabada and Shaheen, and being as injury-prone as he is and 26 years of age, he doesn't have much time left to make a mark.

I would always take a raw talent like Naseem who could be molded into a complete bowler, rather than an overrated, overhyped and injury-prone fast-bowler who will likely be a T20 mercenary a few years from now.

There is no doubt that Stokes was the best player of the World Cup. The fact that ICC gifted the award to Williamson as compensation for the way New Zealand lost the final was hilarious.

Archer was easily England’s second most valuable player of the World Cup. He was the third highest wicket-taker (England’s highest) and the second most economical bowler of the tournament after Bumrah.

In addition, he delivered in the super-over in the final - the single most important over in England’s World Cup history.

Moreover, the circumstances made his World Cup performance even more special. He was fast-tracked into the England team and the rules were modified to make him eligible for the World Cup.

He is probably the only player ever who was selected for his national team to help his team win the World Cup. Very few debutants, if any debutants, had to cope with so much pressure and so much expectations from the beginning.

The comparison with Faulkner is ridiculous. He had an average World Cup and only shone in the final; Archer was consistently among the top players in the World Cup.

Archer’s career has derailed and he might not scale the heights of 2019 again, but his 2019 alone is probably greater than what Naseem would ever achieve in his career.

Naseem is a nothing bowler who is not even close to Archer in terms of talent and potential. The only thing he can be moulded into is a complete failure because he is already pretty close.

No pace, no swing, no control, no intelligence, always expensive. Another series against a big team has come and gone and he has been thoroughly embarrassed.

In addition, he has been kicked out of the playing XI again and can’t even break into the LOIs squads.

There is no comparison between Archer and Naseem. Archer’s 2019 is bigger than Naseem’s entire career.

 

[Mamoon]

Thank you - POTW. This so perfectly sums up what I have been trying to say about Naseem and the unfair treatment he has been getting in comparison to someone like Archer.

The fact is Mitchell Starc has performed better than Archer did in multiple world cups and has performances in all formats. But rightfully he is not compared to the likes to Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah etc.

However Archer after one good performance at home, has become the most overrated cricketer in history.

While Naseem is constantly hated even for making statements that are deemed to be too aggressive. Archer literally broke rules, lied, put hundreds of people and tens of millions of pounds at risk, and then had the audacity to play the victim card because he had to be in the air conditioned hotel room for a couple of days. He also tweeted and argued with (fair) criticism on him online during a test match.

Give Naseem a break. He has a lot of potential, far more than any other young bowler in the world right now (not counting Shaheen who is established).

More like JPOTW - Joke Post of the Week.

Any post that claims that Naseem is a bigger talent than Archer belongs in the lame jokes thread.

 

[Mamoon]

A Pakistani bowler did do that. Hasan Ali won Pakistan a Champions Trophy and became the number ODI bowler in the world. He also has been phenomenal in Test for the last year against strong opposition in different conditions. Yet people look at his poor form in the middle and poor performances in other series and rightly say he has a long way to go before he is considered amongst the best, if ever because of his inconsistency. You especially hated on Hassan Ali for his arrogant statement before performing badly against India. How about the same consistency for Archer for his repeated arrogance/ entitled comments before his terrible performances?

Archer performed for a handful of ODIs and two Tests (only one could he be considered to have actually made an impact). An established bowler like Starc has done multiple times what Archer barely did once, yet you consider Archer ahead of him in all formats.

So yes Naseem may be a nobody but so is Archer who gets too much hype.

No one cares about the Champions Trophy. It is in insignificant tournament compared to the World Cup. Our fans still cherish the 1992 World Cup compared to the Champions Trophy.

Sarfraz would have never fallen from grace so quickly and so easily had he captained Pakistan to a World Cup victory.

Archer didn’t play just a handful of ODIs, he helped England win its first World Cup. The only nobody in this discussion is Naseem who won’t even make an associate team.

 

[Forum363]

No one cares about the Champions Trophy. It is in insignificant tournament compared to the World Cup. Our fans still cherish the 1992 World Cup compared to the Champions Trophy.

Sarfraz would have never fallen from grace so quickly and so easily had he captained Pakistan to a World Cup victory.

Archer didn’t play just a handful of ODIs, he helped England win its first World Cup. The only nobody in this discussion is Naseem who won’t even make an associate team.

If that’s your logic why is Archer held above others who have out performed him in world cups (won it for their teams like start) in the past?

England had an ATG team with their batters shaping the win. They would have won the World Cup had Pluntkett been played instead of archer.

You can call the comparison between Archer and Naseem a joke but the latter is much younger, bowls faster and has better fitness. To think archer is untouchable because of one good World Cup performance is the joke.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There is no doubt that Stokes was the best player of the World Cup. The fact that ICC gifted the award to Williamson as compensation for the way New Zealand lost the final was hilarious.

Archer was easily England’s second most valuable player of the World Cup. He was the third highest wicket-taker (England’s highest) and the second most economical bowler of the tournament after Bumrah.

In addition, he delivered in the super-over in the final - the single most important over in England’s World Cup history.

Moreover, the circumstances made his World Cup performance even more special. He was fast-tracked into the England team and the rules were modified to make him eligible for the World Cup.

He is probably the only player ever who was selected for his national team to help his team win the World Cup. Very few debutants, if any debutants, had to cope with so much pressure and so much expectations from the beginning.

The comparison with Faulkner is ridiculous. He had an average World Cup and only shone in the final; Archer was consistently among the top players in the World Cup.

Archer’s career has derailed and he might not scale the heights of 2019 again, but his 2019 alone is probably greater than what Naseem would ever achieve in his career.

Naseem is a nothing bowler who is not even close to Archer in terms of talent and potential. The only thing he can be moulded into is a complete failure because he is already pretty close.

No pace, no swing, no control, no intelligence, always expensive. Another series against a big team has come and gone and he has been thoroughly embarrassed.

In addition, he has been kicked out of the playing XI again and can’t even break into the LOIs squads.

There is no comparison between Archer and Naseem. Archer’s 2019 is bigger than Naseem’s entire career.

The fact that you are doing all this cheerleading for a performance in tied game is laughable to say the least. England were lucky to win that tournament, because they sure as hell did not win that match. At the end of the day though, his supposedly mind-blowing performance in a game England didn't even win, does not change the fact that he will ultimately be judged for his test career.

The fact that you keep holding Naseem and Archer to the same standard shows how deluded you are considering Archer is probably 5-6 years older than Naseem. And despite that he has only played 3 more tests than Naseem.

Naseem doesn't have pace and swing? Ever watched him bowl? Even with his flaws, Naseem has a far higher ceiling than Archer ever will. Because he will get to learn and get better in the toughest way possible which is by playing international cricket. By the time he reaches his peak, Archer will probably be retiring after long, unfulfilled career riddled with injuries.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

More like JPOTW - Joke Post of the Week.

Any post that claims that Naseem is a bigger talent than Archer belongs in the lame jokes thread.

The only thing Archer is more talented at than Naseem is crafting tweets on Twitter.

 

[Forum363]

The only thing Archer is more talented at than Naseem is crafting tweets on Twitter.

Don’t forget his amazing replies - like when asked why the teenage Naseem was considerably faster than him he replied that he’s not a robot and he’d like to see how Naseem gets on later.

Well guess what - archer is constantly injured and Naseem is still bowling fast. Especially ironic for those who called Archers action ‘effortless’ and said Naseem’s was rubbish.

 

[realitygaf]

In terms of speed, compared to musa and Hasnain, Naseem is a much better talent. All the commentators today said he bowled well and only went for 4 rpo because he was constantly attacking the wickets and on a flat pitch in Pindi all the other bowlers were bowling a defensive line.

Remember that pakistans top bowler Shaheen Afridi had the following figures

30 overs 88 runs 2 wickets

Nothing home to write about

Yet naseem didn’t bowl poorly, he kept bowling at the wickets unlike other fast bowlers who kept bowling non wicket taking lines so run flow could stop, naseem didn’t care about stopping runs, he was bowling to get wickets on a road . Isn’t that what bowlers should aim for ? Get wickets ?

 

[Kroll]

Guess its back to the wilderness for Naseem - don't see him playing in this series again unless injuries happen

They bring him back, kick him out, then bring back again, then kick out and repeat. Its fair to say, that they should keep him away for now and let him develop his game in FC.

If he starts performing, then consider a call up. Otherwise repeating the same process will destroy him mentally.

 

[moghul]

Rawalpindi test : dead wicket

Karachi Test: Dead wicket and negative bowling : shameful

This Saqlain-Babar combination is the most coward, defensive coach-captain combination we ever had, surpassing even Misbah era, which I never thought was ever possible.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

I was at a funeral when I read your last two replies and almost laughed.

The fact that you are downplaying the significance of Archer’s World Cup performance and the significance of the super-over shows that you are clutching at straws here.

If Naseem had a brilliant World Cup and bowled the decisive super-over in the final, our fans wouldn’t shut up about it.

Archer had huge expectations on his shoulders and he delivered. He was fast-tracked to help England win the World Cup and he played a huge role.

He was their leading wicket-taker and the second most economical bowler in the tournament.

Naseem’s talent, potential and future growth only exists in the minds of delusional Pakistani supporters.

He has been a joke every time he has played against a major team. This idea that he will get better with age and experience and improve as a bowler is just an assumption. It is just the hope of our supporters.

Can you or anyone else guarantee that it will happen? Of course not, so unless he achieves something in his career, it is ridiculous to compare him to Archer who had a brilliant 2019.

He has been on a downward spiral since 2020 and may or may not perform again due to numerous reasons, but his brilliant 2019 (World Cup + Ashes) is not a fantasy or a hope (like Naseem’s future); it is a reality, and the heights that he reached that year is most likely going to be bigger than Naseem’s entire career.

Naseem was a failure against the top sides in 2019-20 and he is a failure in 2022 as well. There is no point in giving him the benefit of doubt because the Pindi pitch was flat.

The fact is that he was once against the most expensive bowler on show, so there is clearly an issue with his bowling.

He is not even good enough to get into the LOI squads and this is his track-record against the major sides in Test cricket:

Vs Australia 2019:

Average 68, economy 3.4

Vs England 2020:

Average 69, economy 3.4

Vs New Zealand 2021

Average 73, economy 4.5

Vs Australia 2022:

Average 89, economy 4.2



A total embarrassment. So again, please don’t embarrass yourself by comparing Archer (who has achieved something in his career) to a bowler who hasn’t and probably never will achieve anything based on how rubbish he is.

 

[Mamoon]

If that’s your logic why is Archer held above others who have out performed him in world cups (won it for their teams like start) in the past?

England had an ATG team with their batters shaping the win. They would have won the World Cup had Pluntkett been played instead of archer.

You can call the comparison between Archer and Naseem a joke but the latter is much younger, bowls faster and has better fitness. To think archer is untouchable because of one good World Cup performance is the joke.

Archer is untouchable, but he cannot be touched by a bowler like Naseem who has literally done zilch in his career so far. Let Naseem do something and then compare - comparisons are not established based on fantasies and hopes.

If the shoe was on the other foot and Archer was Pakistani and Naseem was English, and they would have had the same careers so far, Pakistani fans would roll on the floor at this comparison. As things stands, Naseem is not worthy of polishing Archer’s shoes.

 

[Mamoon]

“If the shoe was on the other foot and Archer was Pakistani and Naseem was English, and they would have had the same careers so far, Pakistani fans would roll on the floor at this comparison. As things stands, Naseem is not worthy of polishing Archer’s shoes.”


[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] this goes for you too.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

I was at a funeral when I read your last two replies and almost laughed.

The fact that you are downplaying the significance of Archer’s World Cup performance and the significance of the super-over shows that you are clutching at straws here.

If Naseem had a brilliant World Cup and bowled the decisive super-over in the final, our fans wouldn’t shut up about it.

Archer had huge expectations on his shoulders and he delivered. He was fast-tracked to help England win the World Cup and he played a huge role.

He was their leading wicket-taker and the second most economical bowler in the tournament.

Naseem’s talent, potential and future growth only exists in the minds of delusional Pakistani supporters.

He has been a joke every time he has played against a major team. This idea that he will get better with age and experience and improve as a bowler is just an assumption. It is just the hope of our supporters.

Can you or anyone else guarantee that it will happen? Of course not, so unless he achieves something in his career, it is ridiculous to compare him to Archer who had a brilliant 2019.

He has been on a downward spiral since 2020 and may or may not perform again due to numerous reasons, but his brilliant 2019 (World Cup + Ashes) is not a fantasy or a hope (like Naseem’s future); it is a reality, and the heights that he reached that year is most likely going to be bigger than Naseem’s entire career.

Naseem was a failure against the top sides in 2019-20 and he is a failure in 2022 as well. There is no point in giving him the benefit of doubt because the Pindi pitch was flat.

The fact is that he was once against the most expensive bowler on show, so there is clearly an issue with his bowling.

He is not even good enough to get into the LOI squads and this is his track-record against the major sides in Test cricket:

Vs Australia 2019:

Average 68, economy 3.4

Vs England 2020:

Average 69, economy 3.4

Vs New Zealand 2021

Average 73, economy 4.5

Vs Australia 2022:

Average 89, economy 4.2



A total embarrassment. So again, please don’t embarrass yourself by comparing Archer (who has achieved something in his career) to a bowler who hasn’t and probably never will achieve anything based on how rubbish he is.

All you've really communicated with his overlong and repetitive post is how over the hill your are.

You ask me how I can tell if Naseem will get better? How can you say that he won't and pass such an unequivocal judgment on his career when he isn't even as old as Archer was when he made his FC debut?

You have a be a seriously bitter person to talk about a young talent like Naseem the way that you do. Any country in the world would lick their lips to have someone like him. India are so desperate for quick bowlers that they are fast-tracking an unknown and completely raw Umran Malik into their set-up.

At the end of the day, there are alot of things that a bowler can be taught but pace is not one of them. And that's why I, and so many others are confident Naseem will emerge as a world-class pacer in the years ahead.

And the only person embarrassing himself is you. By putting an overrated, injury-prone bowler (whose biggest achievement is bowling a good over in a tied game) on a pedestal. Nobody cares about Archer anymore. People have moved on. And soon enough England will too once they realize how high-maintenance he is and how much better off they would be just investing in someone else.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

“If the shoe was on the other foot and Archer was Pakistani and Naseem was English, and they would have had the same careers so far, Pakistani fans would roll on the floor at this comparison. As things stands, Naseem is not worthy of polishing Archer’s shoes.”


[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] this goes for you too.

LMAO you sharing your own quotes as if you were Oscar Wilde is still somehow not the most over the hill thing you've done in the last 24 hours.

 

[gazza619]

In hindsight i think Pakistan should have played Naseem as the 4th seamer on this dead pitch.

I know as a batter i would hate to face Naseem’s 145 kph, regardless of how ineffective he has been so far

 

[moghul]

In hindsight i think Pakistan should have played Naseem as the 4th seamer on this dead pitch.

I know as a batter i would hate to face Naseem’s 145 kph, regardless of how ineffective he has been so far

Absolutely , its better to have a 140 plus young bowler than an older and shorter trundler . This is the time to invest on young Naseem, he has the potential to become a world class bowler in 2 years and will serve Pakistan for many years to come .

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

The only people “licking their lips” are the batsmen who have to face him. He is a joke of a bowler.

And he won’t even make India’s or any top team’s C team. Only in Pakistan will a nothing bowler like him get hyped as a future star in spite of getting humiliated every single time he has faced a big team.

He will be a liability for any team and any captain because he bowls three-four boundary balls every over, which explains his embarrassing economy rate.

He isn’t even that quick anymore. It is a stretch to call him a “fast” bowler considering he is bowling in the high 130s most of the time with the odd effort ball in the low 140s.

All this talk of him being young bla bla reeks of desperation because there is no evidence that he will develop with age.

If every young player developed with age, you won’t have any mediocre old players, but it doesn’t work like that and I hope I don’t need to educate you why.

Besides, his career trajectory also doesn’t indicate that he is going in the right direction. He is as poor, if not worse, in 2022 as he was in 2019.

With Naseem, you always have more excuses than performances - he is injured, his action was tinkered with, he wasn’t trusted by the captain, he was unlucky, the pitch was flat etc.

The reality is that if he was half as talented as his delusional fans think, he would have produced at least one spell against a big team so far where he would have taken 3-4 wickets but that isn’t the case.

Not only has he failed to pick wickets in every series, he has also been carted around which explains his embarrassing economy rate.

Speaking of economy rate, he has the honor of producing the most expensive spell for a pacer. I am sure you had the privilege of watching New Zealand smash him all over the park.

Naseem is laughably overrated and he is overrated because of the fake age drama. PCB branded him as a 16 year old in 2019 (when he was 16 in 2016) which created a lot of buzz.

He himself bought into the hype and made a lot of over the top statements (I like to see fear in batsman’s eyes, England batsmen don’t know my name but they will after the series etc.) which which backfired in spectacular fashion.

He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but several notches below him.

And yes, I am quoting myself but it doesn’t change the fact that my quote was spot on. If Archer was a Pakistani and Naseem was English and they would have had the exact same careers so far, you would be laughing your guts out at this comparison.

Your Pakistani bias has forced you to establish this comparison because if you think objectively, Naseem has done nothing in his career so far to merit this comparison.

Archer may or may not be overrated, but Naseem has done nothing in his career to merit a comparison.

Please don’t embarrass yourself by comparing them at this stage of their careers. Comparisons are not made on fantasies and hopes, they are made on actual performances and Naseem has no performances so far.

Naseem should be be compared to associate level bowlers because his performances against the big teams so far show that he is an associate-level bowler.

Speaking of the World Cup, you do not become the third highest wicker-taker and the second most economical bowler in a World Cup based on one over only.

Archer was consistently brilliant throughout the World Cup and super-over was just a cherry on top. He absolutely crucial for England and had they not fast-tracked him, England would most probably have not won the World Cup.

It is laughable how you downplay what was a phenomenal World Cup performance by Archer by all accounts.

Again, if Naseem had a World Cup like that, his supporters won’t stop talking about it.

Archer might be high-maintenance but fortunately for England, they don’t rely on random posters on a Pakistani cricket forum to make decisions.

Their white ball bowling lacks bite without Archer and this is why they fast-tracked him in the first place. We also saw that in the WT20 recently.

In Test cricket, they are planning for life beyond Anderson and Broad and Archer will be one of their key assets moving forward. If Archer doesn’t make a come back, it will be a huge tragedy not only for English cricket but also for the game in general because he is a box-office cricketer.

If you want to have the last word you can have it, but as we have discussed already, Naseem has done nothing in his career so far to merit a comparison with Archer whose summer of 2019 alone is 100x bigger than anything Naseem has done in his career so far.

Let Naseem NOT embarrass himself against a big team for a change and break into the LOI squads and put in some big tournament performances before establishing a comparison.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

The only people “licking their lips” are the batsmen who have to face him. He is a joke of a bowler.

And he won’t even make India’s or any top team’s C team. Only in Pakistan will a nothing bowler like him get hyped as a future star in spite of getting humiliated every single time he has faced a big team.

He will be a liability for any team and any captain because he bowls three-four boundary balls every over, which explains his embarrassing economy rate.

He isn’t even that quick anymore. It is a stretch to call him a “fast” bowler considering he is bowling in the high 130s most of the time with the odd effort ball in the low 140s.

All this talk of him being young bla bla reeks of desperation because there is no evidence that he will develop with age.

If every young player developed with age, you won’t have any mediocre old players, but it doesn’t work like that and I hope I don’t need to educate you why.

Besides, his career trajectory also doesn’t indicate that he is going in the right direction. He is as poor, if not worse, in 2022 as he was in 2019.

With Naseem, you always have more excuses than performances - he is injured, his action was tinkered with, he wasn’t trusted by the captain, he was unlucky, the pitch was flat etc.

The reality is that if he was half as talented as his delusional fans think, he would have produced at least one spell against a big team so far where he would have taken 3-4 wickets but that isn’t the case.

Not only has he failed to pick wickets in every series, he has also been carted around which explains his embarrassing economy rate.

Speaking of economy rate, he has the honor of producing the most expensive spell for a pacer. I am sure you had the privilege of watching New Zealand smash him all over the park.

Naseem is laughably overrated and he is overrated because of the fake age drama. PCB branded him as a 16 year old in 2019 (when he was 16 in 2016) which created a lot of buzz.

He himself bought into the hype and made a lot of over the top statements (I like to see fear in batsman’s eyes, England batsmen don’t know my name but they will after the series etc.) which which backfired in spectacular fashion.

He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but several notches below him.

And yes, I am quoting myself but it doesn’t change the fact that my quote was spot on. If Archer was a Pakistani and Naseem was English and they would have had the exact same careers so far, you would be laughing your guts out at this comparison.

Your Pakistani bias has forced you to establish this comparison because if you think objectively, Naseem has done nothing in his career so far to merit this comparison.

Archer may or may not be overrated, but Naseem has done nothing in his career to merit a comparison.

Please don’t embarrass yourself by comparing them at this stage of their careers. Comparisons are not made on fantasies and hopes, they are made on actual performances and Naseem has no performances so far.

Naseem should be be compared to associate level bowlers because his performances against the big teams so far show that he is an associate-level bowler.

Speaking of the World Cup, you do not become the third highest wicker-taker and the second most economical bowler in a World Cup based on one over only.

Archer was consistently brilliant throughout the World Cup and super-over was just a cherry on top. He absolutely crucial for England and had they not fast-tracked him, England would most probably have not won the World Cup.

It is laughable how you downplay what was a phenomenal World Cup performance by Archer by all accounts.

Again, if Naseem had a World Cup like that, his supporters won’t stop talking about it.

Archer might be high-maintenance but fortunately for England, they don’t rely on random posters on a Pakistani cricket forum to make decisions.

Their white ball bowling lacks bite without Archer and this is why they fast-tracked him in the first place. We also saw that in the WT20 recently.

In Test cricket, they are planning for life beyond Anderson and Broad and Archer will be one of their key assets moving forward. If Archer doesn’t make a come back, it will be a huge tragedy not only for English cricket but also for the game in general because he is a box-office cricketer.

If you want to have the last word you can have it, but as we have discussed already, Naseem has done nothing in his career so far to merit a comparison with Archer whose summer of 2019 alone is 100x bigger than anything Naseem has done in his career so far.

Let Naseem NOT embarrass himself against a big team for a change and break into the LOI squads and put in some big tournament performances before establishing a comparison.

Agreed with each and every word.

 

[realitygaf]

[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

The only people “licking their lips” are the batsmen who have to face him. He is a joke of a bowler.

And he won’t even make India’s or any top team’s C team. Only in Pakistan will a nothing bowler like him get hyped as a future star in spite of getting humiliated every single time he has faced a big team.

He will be a liability for any team and any captain because he bowls three-four boundary balls every over, which explains his embarrassing economy rate.

He isn’t even that quick anymore. It is a stretch to call him a “fast” bowler considering he is bowling in the high 130s most of the time with the odd effort ball in the low 140s.

All this talk of him being young bla bla reeks of desperation because there is no evidence that he will develop with age.

If every young player developed with age, you won’t have any mediocre old players, but it doesn’t work like that and I hope I don’t need to educate you why.

Besides, his career trajectory also doesn’t indicate that he is going in the right direction. He is as poor, if not worse, in 2022 as he was in 2019.

With Naseem, you always have more excuses than performances - he is injured, his action was tinkered with, he wasn’t trusted by the captain, he was unlucky, the pitch was flat etc.

The reality is that if he was half as talented as his delusional fans think, he would have produced at least one spell against a big team so far where he would have taken 3-4 wickets but that isn’t the case.

Not only has he failed to pick wickets in every series, he has also been carted around which explains his embarrassing economy rate.

Speaking of economy rate, he has the honor of producing the most expensive spell for a pacer. I am sure you had the privilege of watching New Zealand smash him all over the park.

Naseem is laughably overrated and he is overrated because of the fake age drama. PCB branded him as a 16 year old in 2019 (when he was 16 in 2016) which created a lot of buzz.

He himself bought into the hype and made a lot of over the top statements (I like to see fear in batsman’s eyes, England batsmen don’t know my name but they will after the series etc.) which which backfired in spectacular fashion.

He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but several notches below him.

And yes, I am quoting myself but it doesn’t change the fact that my quote was spot on. If Archer was a Pakistani and Naseem was English and they would have had the exact same careers so far, you would be laughing your guts out at this comparison.

Your Pakistani bias has forced you to establish this comparison because if you think objectively, Naseem has done nothing in his career so far to merit this comparison.

Archer may or may not be overrated, but Naseem has done nothing in his career to merit a comparison.

Please don’t embarrass yourself by comparing them at this stage of their careers. Comparisons are not made on fantasies and hopes, they are made on actual performances and Naseem has no performances so far.

Naseem should be be compared to associate level bowlers because his performances against the big teams so far show that he is an associate-level bowler.

Speaking of the World Cup, you do not become the third highest wicker-taker and the second most economical bowler in a World Cup based on one over only.

Archer was consistently brilliant throughout the World Cup and super-over was just a cherry on top. He absolutely crucial for England and had they not fast-tracked him, England would most probably have not won the World Cup.

It is laughable how you downplay what was a phenomenal World Cup performance by Archer by all accounts.

Again, if Naseem had a World Cup like that, his supporters won’t stop talking about it.

Archer might be high-maintenance but fortunately for England, they don’t rely on random posters on a Pakistani cricket forum to make decisions.

Their white ball bowling lacks bite without Archer and this is why they fast-tracked him in the first place. We also saw that in the WT20 recently.

In Test cricket, they are planning for life beyond Anderson and Broad and Archer will be one of their key assets moving forward. If Archer doesn’t make a come back, it will be a huge tragedy not only for English cricket but also for the game in general because he is a box-office cricketer.

If you want to have the last word you can have it, but as we have discussed already, Naseem has done nothing in his career so far to merit a comparison with Archer whose summer of 2019 alone is 100x bigger than anything Naseem has done in his career so far.

Let Naseem NOT embarrass himself against a big team for a change and break into the LOI squads and put in some big tournament performances before establishing a comparison.

Going by past such statements from you and the subsequent aftermath , naseem will become Pakistan’s all time greats

 

[hitthestump]

Going by past such statements from you and the subsequent aftermath , naseem will become Pakistan’s all time greats

Please give one example to back up your statement.

 

[Junaids]

I have to disagree with almost all the recent posts in this thread.

Jofra Archer will be 27 years old in a fortnight.

Archer has 42 wickets in 13 Tests, at an average of 31.04, and a strike rate of 62.1 and an economy rate of 2.99

Naseem Shah is officially just 19, but we all know that he is around 21 or maybe even 22. He has 21 wickets in 10 Tests at an average of 44.66, with a strike rate of 70.1 and an economy rate of 3.81.

That means that Archer is a mediocre Test bowler and that Naseem Shah is a poor one. So far.

Apart from [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], I think that everyone can see that Naseem Shah has the better action of the two bowlers and is at least as quick.

But both bowlers have a major problem with height, which is why Archer only has 42 Test wickets by the age of 27, and why Naseem is doing worse.

Archer is only 5'11 tall. Unless you are of supreme quality (Marshall, Harris, Steyn) that is too short to be a success in modern Test cricket on grassless pitches against batsmen armed with huge bats. And Archer is nowhere near as good as they were, in terms of accuracy or movement.

Naseem is 5'8 at most. In other words, 3 inches shorter than Marshall and Harris, and 2 inches shorter than Steyn. At that point there is simply no way that you are going to be a successful bowler in all conditions around the world in the red ball game.

It's like expecting a man with 1 arm to be a successful goalkeeper in football,

I don't know whether Naseem Shah can make it. He certainly can't make it in an attack including both Hassan Ali and Faheem Ashraf, unless Pakistan is going to be playing against Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

It's a very sad story. Naseem Shah is obviously the most gifted bowler of his generation, and if he was going to be a Test fast bowler he needed to have had a course of Growth Hormone treatment in around 2016 or 2017, before it was too late, to get his height up to at least 6'0.

Now all we are left with is hoping that he can combine his unquestioned skill with experience in county cricket to carve out some kind of career as a Test bowler.

 

[Junaids]

Naseem Shah's record looks painfully similar to that of Paul Jarvis.

The optimistic view was that Jarvis would be the English Waqar Younis - a short, skiddy fast bowler with late swing.

Compare the records of Naseem Shah and Paul Jarvis

TESTS: Naseem 10, Jarvis 9.
WICKETS: Naseem 21, Jarvis 21.
AVERAGE: Naseem 44.66, Jarvis 45.95
ECONOMY: Naseem 3.81, Jarvis 3.02
STRIKE RATE: Naseem 70.1, Jarvis 91.0.

It doesn't look good. There is a very high risk that what we have seen already from Naseem is all that a quick bowler that short can deliver.

 

[Mamoon]

Going by past such statements from you and the subsequent aftermath , naseem will become Pakistan’s all time greats

Please give one example to back up your statement.

There are none. Besides, it is not a competition anyway.

I think everyone would love to see Naseem justify the hype. He has been the most hyped and talked about young bowler in Pakistan (even more than Shaheen) since 2019 but so far we have not seen anything that justifies the hype.

Not only does he lack the ability to take wickets, he is also extremely expensive which makes him a total liability. No wonder Babar and Saqlain had to chuck him out after 1 Test.

Had he played in this match, Australia would have scored 600+.

This reminds me of the England tour in 2020. Most people here were predicting that he would be the leading wicket-taker in the series and run through England.

However, he got smashed and almost gifted Zack Crawley a triple-century.

I can guarantee you that had Misbah picked Sohail Khan or Imran Khan in the playing XI instead (and that would have been the right decision in hindsight), he would have been criticized like no tomorrow and would have been accused of favoring old players and holding back youngsters etc.

Naseem is one of those overrated players whose career is playing out in the heads of his supporters because we are not seeing anything on the pitch.

At this point, there is no evidence that he will ever develop into a world class bowler. All we have is hope which is fueled by the desperation of his fans who have invested emotionally in him and cannot digest the fact that he isn’t and will not be the bowler they think he can be.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

There is not a shred of evidence that Naseem is the most gifted bowler of his generation.

He is not rapid, he doesn’t generate prodigious swing/seam, he doesn’t have great control, he doesn’t know how to set batsmen up, he doesn’t know how to control his economy rate.

You would expect the most gifted bowler to have these qualities. If he is the most gifted bowler of his generation than his generation must be the worst generation ever when it comes to fast bowling, because he is a deeply mediocre bowler by all accounts.

His action might be “pretty” for some, but that is subjective. I personally do not find his action attractive at all. The way his head falls to the side is pretty unimpressive.

Besides, a side-on action like his with his head falling sideways is a recipe for lack of control unless you are extremely talented, which he clearly isn’t by any measure.

As far as the comparison with Archer is concerned, the latter is several notches above him by all measures.

He is also quicker - Archer’s top speed of 95-96 mph is significantly higher than what Naseem is capable of.

Archer might not be the tallest but he can generate great bounce which his action allows, and that makes his action better than Naseem’s, whose action is made for spraying the ball on the leg-side and conceding one boundary per over which is all that he has done against the top teams.

Archer physically dominated the greatest Test batsman of the last 50 odd years at the peak of his powers and forced him to retire hurt.

Granted that Smith bounced back and ultimately won the battle by scoring one of the great Test hundreds, Naseem has never bowled such an imposing spell.

Naseem has absolutely nothing on Archer, and his summer of 2019 will probably remain bigger than Naseem’s entire career.

 

[MenInG]

Just rewards for his hard work today

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[pakistanigoneaussie]

needs to be added to the limited overs squad. It's truly baffling he isnt there now.

there is so much more potential upside for him.

 

[Usman Chadda]

How can a 19-year old be failed experiment?

After Shaheen, this is the only pace bowler who can play all formats for Pakistan.

 

[Kroll]

Good performance today, much improved with wickets and especially controlling the economy rate.

Am not a hater as I want all players to do well for the team but I still.think its too early to start doing bhangra and handing out the humble pies.

In the law of averages, bowl enough balls and you might pick up a wicket.

Best option was the limited overs squad as a few have said but looks like management are looking for him to become a test specialist.

 

[Kianig89]

Naseem has potential should be persisted with keeping in view the pop gun attack we have

 

[Xoib]

First decent performance after a while too early to say he has justified the faith needs to use today effort as a template for how he should bowl usually there is one soft ball every over for him, today he cut down on that and was able to built enough pressure.

 

[shamaan]

Naseem was the best bowler today he bowled with excellent control and bowled at good speeds.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

LMAO just last week [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was calling him someone whose talent and potential only exists in the mind of delusional Pakistani fans. Now he's taken the wicket of Steve Smith and finished the day with figures of 2-36 on flat road against the No.1 test team in the world. And its not just the figures but how also how masterfully he bowled today, with good pace, control and reverse-swing at certain points of the day.

But I'm sure the guy who thinks Archer is the greatest thing since sliced bread will find some other excuse to downplay Naseem's performance.

 

[Guardian]

LMAO just last week [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was calling him someone whose talent and potential only exists in the mind of delusional Pakistani fans. Now he's taken the wicket of Steve Smith and finished the day with figures of 2-36 on flat road against the No.1 test team in the world. And its not just the figures but how also how masterfully he bowled today, with good pace, control and reverse-swing at certain points of the day.

But I'm sure the guy who thinks Archer is the greatest thing since sliced bread will find some other excuse to downplay Naseem's performance.

Jofra Archer has never dismissed Steven Smith!!! Let that sink in..

 

[Savak]

The selection of Naseem over Faheem was a surprisingly positive attacking move from the Pakistani management.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Jofra Archer has never dismissed Steven Smith!!! Let that sink in..

The best Archer could do was smash him on the helmet with a bouncer. And Smith still came back and added 39 runs while being concussed.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The selection of Naseem over Faheem was a surprisingly positive attacking move from the Pakistani management.

Yeah they needed a bowler with Naseem's pace on a pitch like this. And honestly if your Top 6 has failed its futile to expect something special from No.7.

Wickets are far more important on this pitch than a few extra runs.

 

[TheSultan]

Yeah they needed a bowler with Naseem's pace on a pitch like this. And honestly if your Top 6 has failed its futile to expect something special from No.7.

Wickets are far more important on this pitch than a few extra runs.

True but it would have been better to play fahim instead of Hassan. Not for his batting, but at the mo, Fahim is the better bowler

 

[wrongun]

The best Archer could do was smash him on the helmet with a bouncer. And Smith still came back and added 39 runs while being concussed.

I don't see the point of comparing him to Naseem.

But Archer had a great series. He rattled the entire team & was blowing Oz away whenever Smith wasn't at the crease. That was Peak Smith (arguably not the same ever since) and even he was doing all he could just to survive.

 

[Xoib]

I am a huge naseem fan but 2-36 that too in an unfinished innings should not be the case of doing bhangra and make I told you soo posts makes us look like fans of minnow teams.

It's first step in the right direction but Naseem is long way off to justify the faith put on him just based on potential after zero performances

 

[Caved12]

There is always time to go back and work on your weaknesses when you are as young as Naseem. I am just happy to see that his hard work paid off yesterday. He literally bowled his heart out and was also very good in the last PSL as well.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't see the point of comparing him to Naseem.

But Archer had a great series. He rattled the entire team & was blowing Oz away whenever Smith wasn't at the crease. That was Peak Smith (arguably not the same ever since) and even he was doing all he could just to survive.

Nobody is comparing them because there is no comparison. Naseem actually has a future and years left to continue improving. Whereas, Archer is an overrated injury-prone bowler who will fade off like so many other overrated English bowlers before him.

 

[Wahid1234]

I maintain this guy is bang average. Always get carted around. Dhani is a better option.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I maintain this guy is bang average. Always get carted around. Dhani is a better option.

His inability to set up batsmen will improve with experience. He has out bowled both Shaheen and the superstar Hasan Ali so far in this Test.

Naseem is the second best pacer we have after Shaheen, we have to be patient with him.

 

[as-95]

Picks up his third wicket. Definitely the pick of the bowlers so far...

 

[Marooned]

Jofra Archer has never dismissed Steven Smith!!! Let that sink in..

Lol so much dOmInAtIoN!
Smith literally made Archer cry the very next game in his 211.

 

[MenInG]

Naseem doing well!

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[DeadlyVenom]

Naseem doing well!

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he is bowling with some serious heat on a tame pitch.

Two batsmen clean bowled.

Hope he gets a fiffer.

 

[Manunited18]

He has improved alot, got a hugh future along with Shaheen

 

[MenInG]

Another for Naseem - 5fer possible?

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[Rana]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] why you not chirping now mate?

 

[Rana]

Shaun Tait has done more for him than Waqar ever could!

 

[Rana]

He needs to be given the confidence to bowl the first ball of the game/innings

Watch this boy spearhead your attack!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Shaun Tait has done more for him than Waqar ever could!

He has improved massively in the past 2 years, its a bit far fetched to give Tate the credit

 

[Rana]

He has improved massively in the past 2 years, its a bit far fetched to give Tate the credit

He hasn’t bowled this well ever. With this much consistency. It would be interesting to see how he bowls in the second innings and the next few Tests after this, if this was a one off or that he has finally learned the art of patience and consistency.

 

[Ahmed216]

Fluked 31 overs of great bowling on a pretty flat lahore surface. 13 maiden overs and 4 wickets.

 

[volcyz]

Bowled beautifully!!

 

[Kraetoz]

He has improved massively in the past 2 years, its a bit far fetched to give Tate the credit

Improved you say, then how come he was not a part of the squad? came in as a replacement for Haris Rauf. Makes you think selectors and team management had no confidence in him and he was even dropped after first test. So no credit to anyone, specially selectors, period.

Even in this test i am sure Waqar would have gone with Faheem-Hassan combo.

 

[TheSultan]

He has improved massively in the past 2 years, its a bit far fetched to give Tate the credit

Maybe not to give Tait the credit but sometimes a change just gives you a bit more confidence and freedom. Listening to Waqar on commentary and some of the stuff he keeps going on about length and being very harsh on Shaheen, I would imagine a lot of bowlers didn’t bowl with a lot of freedom with Waqar as coach.

These guys maybe needed a fresh approach.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Shaun Tait has done more for him than Waqar ever could!

His rehab work on action and run up was done under Aizaz Cheema and Ian Pont. Tait has just joined the team 2-3 days ago.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Maybe not to give Tait the credit but sometimes a change just gives you a bit more confidence and freedom. Listening to Waqar on commentary and some of the stuff he keeps going on about length and being very harsh on Shaheen, I would imagine a lot of bowlers didn’t bowl with a lot of freedom with Waqar as coach.

These guys maybe needed a fresh approach.

An ideal coach should treat his players accordingly in a way that would get the best out of them. For example Rabada gets complacent and needs some harsh words to get his tail back up according to Elgar. But Mitchell Johnson would lose all his confidence if the management gave him the harsh treatment.

 

[silentkiller187]

Finished with a 4-fer, bowled really well in the first innings.

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[RedwoodOriginal]

Masterful performance by Naseem. Bowled consistently good lengths, bowled with pace and most importantly, got it to reverse. 4-58 on a dead flat track at an ER of 1.87 against the No.1 test team in the world is simply outstanding.

It is because of him that Australia have 391 and not 500+

 

[Markhor]

This is Naseem's first good display in international cricket for 2 years. We should give praise but ask for consistency. Hopefully Tait will be a good mentor.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Good reverse swing spell today.

 

[The Scorer]

Naseem is a better version of Hasan Ali, same trajectory but more pace and threat. Hasan Ali should now be dropped. Naseem could well seal a spot as 3rd seamer: an attack of Shaheen, Haris Rauf, and Naseem looks to have some potential. However Naseem should not play every Test, give him some rest as he develops.

 

[Firebat]

Easily Naseem's best performance in a Pakistan shirt. Now just needs to work on repeating it.

 

[Fenrir]

Looking forward to Naseem’s stint in county cricket.It will be a good experience for him.The wickets will suit him.I hope he performs well.It will give a lot of confidence.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

That Green wicket is a hall of famer. Not seen anything like it for a long time from a Pakistani bowler.

A bowler who can take the pitch out of the equation.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan youngster Naseem Shah has become only the third teenager hailing from Pakistan to take four or more wickets in an innings against Australia.

The previous two players to achieve this feat were Shahid Afridi and Mohammad Amir.

Naseem reached the milestone during the third and deciding Test match of the series between Pakistan and Australia.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...equals-shahid-afridi-and-mohammad-amir-record

 

[Rana]

Finished with a 4-fer, bowled really well in the first innings.

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The key here, all 4 wickets probing at the top of the stumps line. He is a far superior bowler bowling at the stumps instead of bowling back of the length (which he was initially doing and failing). This is the kind of bowling that would make him a nightmare on a green, seeming deck.

 

[Major]

in two years this was his first good display against a quality side. He is still a failed experiment in test cricket. To consider him to be a good bowler, i would wait to see if he is consistent in test.

However, i do believe he should be in the limited overs side.

 

[Kianig89]

Some armchair critics are left blacknd blue

 

[Kroll]

Pakistan youngster Naseem Shah has become only the third teenager hailing from Pakistan to take four or more wickets in an innings against Australia.

The previous two players to achieve this feat were Shahid Afridi and Mohammad Amir.

Naseem reached the milestone during the third and deciding Test match of the series between Pakistan and Australia.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...equals-shahid-afridi-and-mohammad-amir-record

So he’s really 22 and not 19?

Blatant cheating age fudgers.

 

[Rana]

in two years this was his first good display against a quality side. He is still a failed experiment in test cricket. To consider him to be a good bowler, i would wait to see if he is consistent in test.

However, i do believe he should be in the limited overs side.

Is Swepson and Hassan Ali a failed experiment also?