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ElRaja said:
whilst i agree with this, banning them wont solve anything, its easy enough to rename and rebrand when your as small as them. you need to understand why this is happening, these guys are essentially in the left behind economy in dead end towns with economic standards of eastern Europe.

the economic model has failed outside the big cities in this country, and banning these guys it dealing with the symptom not the cause.
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They are basically formally banned football hooligans who have no other interest in anything else but to cause civil unrest whilst the Football season is at close.
 
ElRaja said:
whilst i agree with this, banning them wont solve anything, its easy enough to rename and rebrand when your as small as them. you need to understand why this is happening, these guys are essentially in the left behind economy in dead end towns with economic standards of eastern Europe.

the economic model has failed outside the big cities in this country, and banning these guys it dealing with the symptom not the cause.
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They could join the mainstream and abide by the standards expected. But you can't be political and at the same time attack the Police and public.
 
Bewal Express said:
They could join the mainstream and abide by the standards expected. But you can't be political and at the same time attack the Police and public.
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same can be said of the fringe of religious nutjobs, post code gangsters, desi drug peddlers, etc, you dont join the mainstream unless you see a viable return on that investment. like a kid without structure, the chaos justifies your existence on the fringe, otherwise your disenfranchised and no one pays any attention to you.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
How pathetic and desperate is this. You have no affiliation with U.K. yet you hope for muslims to be humiliated?

Hindutwa have dropped further in my estimation.
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No one hopes that the culprit should be a Muslim. Don't get too upset. I am only saying where the thoughts go whenever there is a Terrorist attack in the West.

Heck, I have seen posters saying that they are glad the perpetrator is not a Muslim whenever some attack happens in the west and it is done by some white nationalist or a Mental guy. What does that show?
 
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Champ_Pal said:
No one hopes that the culprit should be a Muslim. Don't get too upset. I am only saying where the thoughts go whenever there is a Terrorist attack in the West.

Heck, I have seen Pak posters on this board saying that they are glad the perpetrator is not a Muslim whenever some attack happens in the west and it is done by some white nationalist or a Mental guy. What does that show?
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The UK isn't perfect but we live in an educated society where schools are obligated to teach key words like assess and evaluate for a reason. You should try it in Ind, it may get rid of the evil that has penetrated your hearts
 
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Champ_Pal said:
No one hopes that the culprit should be a Muslim. Don't get too upset. I am only saying where the thoughts go whenever there is a Terrorist attack in the West.

Heck, I have seen Pak posters on this board saying that they are glad the perpetrator is not a Muslim whenever some attack happens in the west and it is done by some white nationalist or a Mental guy. What does that show?
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You are flip flopping from your obvious guilt. No British Pakistanis on here say or say anything like that.
 
Champ_Pal said:
I don't know if the this poster is a Brit Pakistani. But check it out.

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Obviously that point has been taken out of context. I'm sure he was simply answering another poster who like yourself was quick to come to a conclusion that it was likely to be a muslim who attacked the children even before any details were out.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Obviously that point has been taken out of context. I'm sure he was simply answering another poster who like yourself was quick to come to a conclusion that it was likely to be a muslim who attacked the children even before any details were out.
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Stop flip flopping. I have read the post before and I remembered it.

You said no Brit Pakistani ever said that on this forum. I gave you proof. Just accept it.
 
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mazkhan said:
Either way it was a daft idea to deport illegal immigrants to Rwanda in first place where there is lack of human rights and an appalling genocide took place which was a product of colonial caste system in that country
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I believe only 4 people have ended up going to Rwanda so far, doubt many more will end up going

Will end up being a massive white elephant
 
Champ_Pal said:
They came from 3rd world countries anyway. Rwanda may not look alien to them.

UK is small island. It cannot keep on taking all these millions of people that enter the country illegally every year. This will completely destroy the native culture and race of people.
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What is this native culture and race?
 
Online misinformation fueled tensions over the stabbing attack in Britain that killed 3 children

Within hours of a stabbing attack in northwest England that killed three young girls and wounded several more children, a false name of a supposed suspect was circulating on social media. Hours after that, violent protesters were clashing with police outside a nearby mosque — the first of several violent protests in across England.

Police say the name was fake, as were rumors that the 17-year-old suspect was an asylum-seeker who had recently arrived in Britain. The suspect charged with murder and attempted murder was named Thursday as Axel Rudakubana, born in the U.K. to Rwandan parents.

By the time a judge said the teen suspect could be identified, rumors already were rife and right-wing influencers had pinned the blame on immigrants and Muslims.

“There’s a parallel universe where what was claimed by these rumors were the actual facts of the case,” said Sunder Katwala, director of British Future, a think tank that looks at issues including integration and national identity. “And that will be a difficult thing to manage.”

Local lawmaker Patrick Hurley said the result was “hundreds of people descending on the town, descending on Southport from outside of the area, intent on causing trouble — either because they believe what they’ve written, or because they are bad faith actors who wrote it in the first place, in the hope of causing community division.”

One of the first outlets to report the false name, Ali Al-Shakati, was Channel 3 Now, an account on the X social media platform that purports to be a news channel. A Facebook page of the same name says it is managed by people in Pakistan and the U.S. A related website on Wednesday showed a mix of possibly AI-generated news and entertainment stories, as well as an apology for “the misleading information” in its article on the Southport stabbings.

By the time the apology was posted, the incorrect identification had been repeated widely on social media.

“Some of the key actors are probably just generating traffic, possibly for monetization,” said Katwala. The misinformation was then spread further by “people committed to the U.K. domestic far right,” he said.

Governments around the world, including Britain’s, are struggling with how to curb toxic material online. U.K. Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said Tuesday that social media companies “need to take some responsibility” for the content on their sites.

Katwala said that social platforms such as Facebook and X worked to “de-amplify” false information in real time after mass shootings at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in 2019.

Since Elon Musk, a self-styled free-speech champion, bought X, it has gutted teams that once fought misinformation on the platform and restored the accounts of banned conspiracy theories and extremists.

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer warned social media companies that crime is “happening on your premises.”

“Inciting violence online is a criminal offense. That is not a matter of free speech – it is a criminal offense,” he said Thursday.

Rumors swirled in what was initially the relative silence of police over the attack. Merseyside Police issued a statement on Tuesday saying the reported name for the suspect was incorrect, but initially provided little information about him other than his age and birthplace of Cardiff, Wales.

That’s because under U.K. law, suspects are not publicly named until they have been charged and those under 18 are usually not named at all. A judge allowed Rudakubana to be named, in part, to correct “misinformation.”

That included suggestions by some activists that police were withholding information about the attacker.

Speaking before the suspect’s name was released but after police said he was U.K.-born, Tommy Robinson, founder of the far-right English Defense League, accused police of “gaslighting” the public. Nigel Farage, a veteran anti-immigration politician who was elected to Parliament in this month’s general election, posted a video on X speculating “whether the truth is being withheld from us” about the attack and suggesting it might be an act of terrorism.

Brendan Cox, whose lawmaker wife Jo Cox was murdered by a far-right attacker in 2016, said Farage’s comments showed he was “nothing better than a Tommy Robinson in a suit.”

“It is beyond the pale to use a moment like this to spread your narrative and to spread your hatred, and we saw the results on Southport’s streets last night,” Cox told the BBC.

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The Muslim Council of Britain is urging mosques to strengthen security ahead of Friday prayers due to the increase in "far-right thugs" seeking to "intimidate Muslim communities".

A mosque in Southport was attacked by rioters in the aftermath of the stabbing attacks on Monday, with an imam trapped inside as people threw objects at the building, smashed windows and tore down an outside wall.

Violent disorder also broke out on the streets of London, Manchester and Hartlepool on Wednesday night, prompting Sir Keir Starmer to announce a new national policing unit to try to put an end to it.

The MCB's secretary general called on the government to do more to protect Muslim communities after the "completely reprehensible" violence.

"Given reports of more planned protests, we encourage communities to be extra vigilant and to enhance security measures," Zara Mohammed said.

"We cannot allow such division in our communities. We should continue with calm and a spirit of unity, as demonstrated by the locals in Southport.

"We call upon the government to offer greater reassurance to Muslim communities at this time and to provide a clear response to tackle rising violent Islamophobia, and commit to greater security measures for mosques under attack."

Asked to give a message to Muslim communities during his news conference yesterday, Sir Keir Starmer said he would take "every step that is necessary to keep you safe".

The PM condemned the violent disruption, saying that's why meetings with police chiefs were held to ensure the "strongest possible response" to protect all citizens, including Muslims.
 
ElRaja said:
it is definitely not more hostile than its ever been, post the 7/7 bombings i remember the atmosphere was tangibly fraught, i felt uncomfortable in London with Londoners thinking every bearded brown dude might blow themselves up. I mostly stay in London, but even going around the country every now and again ive never felt eyes on me like back then.

Muslims just had protests of nearly a million people a few months ago for Palestine, and the right wing got bricked, its swings and round aboutss but to say Muslims cant protest is hyperbole.

the right wing media has spewed the same stuff for decades now, Muslim groomers, race wars, terrorists, honour killers, its all been in the news non stop since 9/11.

whether Britain goes into decline is up to people, if you want to cede control over how you observe the world to the fringe telling you what to think, then yes, it might just, but having been through enough episodes like this over the last twenty years its just a general bubbling and simmering of the same underlying tension.
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From my perspective the atmosphere is definitely more tense than I've experienced in the past, although I was in a less diverse part of Scotland so would not have experienced the aftermath of the London bombings like you did.

Btw I didn't say we cant protest I said we are unable to protest without being labelled as Islamists by very large sections of society all the way to the top of government.

Appreciate the point in the last paragraph, perhaps its time to pay less attention to the right wing propaganda but its churned out so efficiently and in such volumes its difficult to tune it out. I shudder to think of how it affects the views of normal people.
 
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BouncerGuy said:
Online misinformation fueled tensions over the stabbing attack in Britain that killed 3 children

Within hours of a stabbing attack in northwest England that killed three young girls and wounded several more children, a false name of a supposed suspect was circulating on social media. Hours after that, violent protesters were clashing with police outside a nearby mosque — the first of several violent protests in across England.

Police say the name was fake, as were rumors that the 17-year-old suspect was an asylum-seeker who had recently arrived in Britain. The suspect charged with murder and attempted murder was named Thursday as Axel Rudakubana, born in the U.K. to Rwandan parents.

By the time a judge said the teen suspect could be identified, rumors already were rife and right-wing influencers had pinned the blame on immigrants and Muslims.

“There’s a parallel universe where what was claimed by these rumors were the actual facts of the case,” said Sunder Katwala, director of British Future, a think tank that looks at issues including integration and national identity. “And that will be a difficult thing to manage.”

Local lawmaker Patrick Hurley said the result was “hundreds of people descending on the town, descending on Southport from outside of the area, intent on causing trouble — either because they believe what they’ve written, or because they are bad faith actors who wrote it in the first place, in the hope of causing community division.”

One of the first outlets to report the false name, Ali Al-Shakati, was Channel 3 Now, an account on the X social media platform that purports to be a news channel. A Facebook page of the same name says it is managed by people in Pakistan and the U.S. A related website on Wednesday showed a mix of possibly AI-generated news and entertainment stories, as well as an apology for “the misleading information” in its article on the Southport stabbings.

By the time the apology was posted, the incorrect identification had been repeated widely on social media.

“Some of the key actors are probably just generating traffic, possibly for monetization,” said Katwala. The misinformation was then spread further by “people committed to the U.K. domestic far right,” he said.

Governments around the world, including Britain’s, are struggling with how to curb toxic material online. U.K. Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said Tuesday that social media companies “need to take some responsibility” for the content on their sites.

Katwala said that social platforms such as Facebook and X worked to “de-amplify” false information in real time after mass shootings at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in 2019.

Since Elon Musk, a self-styled free-speech champion, bought X, it has gutted teams that once fought misinformation on the platform and restored the accounts of banned conspiracy theories and extremists.

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer warned social media companies that crime is “happening on your premises.”

“Inciting violence online is a criminal offense. That is not a matter of free speech – it is a criminal offense,” he said Thursday.

Rumors swirled in what was initially the relative silence of police over the attack. Merseyside Police issued a statement on Tuesday saying the reported name for the suspect was incorrect, but initially provided little information about him other than his age and birthplace of Cardiff, Wales.

That’s because under U.K. law, suspects are not publicly named until they have been charged and those under 18 are usually not named at all. A judge allowed Rudakubana to be named, in part, to correct “misinformation.”

That included suggestions by some activists that police were withholding information about the attacker.

Speaking before the suspect’s name was released but after police said he was U.K.-born, Tommy Robinson, founder of the far-right English Defense League, accused police of “gaslighting” the public. Nigel Farage, a veteran anti-immigration politician who was elected to Parliament in this month’s general election, posted a video on X speculating “whether the truth is being withheld from us” about the attack and suggesting it might be an act of terrorism.

Brendan Cox, whose lawmaker wife Jo Cox was murdered by a far-right attacker in 2016, said Farage’s comments showed he was “nothing better than a Tommy Robinson in a suit.”

“It is beyond the pale to use a moment like this to spread your narrative and to spread your hatred, and we saw the results on Southport’s streets last night,” Cox told the BBC.

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They would get smashed if they tried this at any Mosque where muslims have a sizeable presence. This is ain't India
 
The British Muslim community is "anxious" about the "plans and protests by the far-right" this weekend, said the chair of the Mosques and Imams National Advisory Board.

Standing outside Southport Mosque alongside other Muslim, Jewish and Christian faith leaders, Qari Asim said hate will "never prevail".

He said some people have chosen to use a moment of grief to "sow the seeds of division" and spread Islamophobia.

"We stand here today, united in our grief and resolute in our condemnation of those opportunists who have shamelessly attempted to undermine and divide our communities.

"We believe that the community here in Southport, and the country as a whole, must now come together to challenge hatred based on people's identities. In particular, the rising levels of Islamophobia must not be allowed to fester in our society."

Mr Asim said the UK was characterised by the ordinary people who joined together to clean up the streets of Southport and repair damage following the riot on Tuesday.

"We are united for humanity, and we stand up for one another, that we can extend a hand of friendship, even in the darkest of times, that we can build community instead of breaking it."


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Hundreds of people have gathered in Sunderland city centre for a protest, some draped in England flags.

A large police presence is watching the marchers at Keel Square.

A loud cheer was heard from the crowd and drivers tooted their horns as they passed.


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A "tsunami of lies" on social media is fanning the flames of protest across the UK, a leading expert on right-wing extremism says.

Social media companies are "not doing enough" to stop disinformation and incitement "that we know exists and continues to get worse", said Professor Matthew Feldman.

Violent protests were sparked by fake news about the Southport stabbings that emerged within just 30 hours of the attack, he said.

"It is difficult to think of a much better example of online harms breaching the real world than a fake story demonising Muslims and people of colour and leading to riots on the streets," he said.


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Southport resident starts GoFundMe to 'restore safe space' after local mosque damaged in riots

Hundreds of pounds have been raised to fund repairs to a mosque damaged by rioters in Tuesday's riot as work to rebuild the damage begins.

Rioters threw bricks at the Southport Islamic Centre on Tuesday night as a protest outside flared into violent scenes, leaving 53 police officers injured. The shameful scenes came after far-right thugs hijacked Monday's horrific stabbings at a dance studio which killed three girls and left multiple others critically injured.

Merseyside Police has already stressed that a 17-year-old man arrested on suspicion of the attacks was born in the UK, with one name circulated for the suspect being proved as misinformation. Despite this, Tuesday's protest unravelled into despicable violence and vandalism, with bricks, bottles and street furniture hurled at officers and police dogs and a police van set alight.

Members of the town's Muslim community were left picking up the pieces on Wednesday after the place of worship was damaged, with Merseyside Police chief Serena Kennedy among those seen rebuilding a wall outside. Now one local has spearheaded a fundraiser to help go towards patching up the building and "restore the safe space".

More than £1,000 had been raised as of 5pm on Wednesday as locals and other members of the public donated in solidarity. The page, set up by Phoenix Lawson, was to "rebuild or relocate the mosque and have a stable, safe and peaceful place of worship for all Muslims".

Phoenix, 20, said: “It is the only mosque in Southport. It is the only place they can pray peacefully and it’s just been destroyed unfortunately. I was informed that three panels of the window of the mosque was destroyed and smashed in, and also the brick wall outside was completely demolished.


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Hundreds raised to 'restore safe space' after mosque damaged in riots

Southport's Islamic Centre mosque was targeted by far-right rioters on Tuesday night as a demonstration spiralled into scenes of violence - but locals have already started helping with repairs
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Cricket Warrior said:
Southport resident starts GoFundMe to 'restore safe space' after local mosque damaged in riots

Hundreds of pounds have been raised to fund repairs to a mosque damaged by rioters in Tuesday's riot as work to rebuild the damage begins.

Rioters threw bricks at the Southport Islamic Centre on Tuesday night as a protest outside flared into violent scenes, leaving 53 police officers injured. The shameful scenes came after far-right thugs hijacked Monday's horrific stabbings at a dance studio which killed three girls and left multiple others critically injured.

Merseyside Police has already stressed that a 17-year-old man arrested on suspicion of the attacks was born in the UK, with one name circulated for the suspect being proved as misinformation. Despite this, Tuesday's protest unravelled into despicable violence and vandalism, with bricks, bottles and street furniture hurled at officers and police dogs and a police van set alight.

Members of the town's Muslim community were left picking up the pieces on Wednesday after the place of worship was damaged, with Merseyside Police chief Serena Kennedy among those seen rebuilding a wall outside. Now one local has spearheaded a fundraiser to help go towards patching up the building and "restore the safe space".

More than £1,000 had been raised as of 5pm on Wednesday as locals and other members of the public donated in solidarity. The page, set up by Phoenix Lawson, was to "rebuild or relocate the mosque and have a stable, safe and peaceful place of worship for all Muslims".

Phoenix, 20, said: “It is the only mosque in Southport. It is the only place they can pray peacefully and it’s just been destroyed unfortunately. I was informed that three panels of the window of the mosque was destroyed and smashed in, and also the brick wall outside was completely demolished.


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Hundreds raised to 'restore safe space' after mosque damaged in riots

Southport's Islamic Centre mosque was targeted by far-right rioters on Tuesday night as a demonstration spiralled into scenes of violence - but locals have already started helping with repairs
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The fact that the locals turned out to clean up the area and help build the wall shows the goodwill of community. At Jumma today the Police had a small presence and I assured them about our support and what tough job they have.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
White encompasses such a broad range

So Scandinavians are native to Britain?

I noticed you didn't answer the culture question
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They may not be native to Britain. But they can assimilate far better than Middle Easterners or Africans.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
From my perspective the atmosphere is definitely more tense than I've experienced in the past, although I was in a less diverse part of Scotland so would not have experienced the aftermath of the London bombings like you did.

Btw I didn't say we cant protest I said we are unable to protest without being labelled as Islamists by very large sections of society all the way to the top of government.

Appreciate the point in the last paragraph, perhaps its time to pay less attention to the right wing propaganda but its churned out so efficiently and in such volumes its difficult to tune it out. I shudder to think of how it affects the views of normal people.
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ok, so if your being labelled, then so be it, why worry about that, they might complain they are labelled as racist for protesting when all they want to do is protect their culture, etc.

this may sound a bit socially irresponsible, but over the last few years my modus operandi has been to look after myself and those around me, mainstream politics is a diversionary waste of time, stack the Ps, and then if you want just move to wherever once u hit escape velocity. the world is your oyster.
 
ElRaja said:
ok, so if your being labelled, then so be it, why worry about that, they might complain they are labelled as racist for protesting when all they want to do is protect their culture, etc.

this may sound a bit socially irresponsible, but over the last few years my modus operandi has been to look after myself and those around me, mainstream politics is a diversionary waste of time, stack the Ps, and then if you want just move to wherever once u hit escape velocity. the world is your oyster.
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I think my perspective changed after having kids.

Recently I am feeling more paranoid about their future and what their identity may be. What the right decision will be for their future, will they be safe growing up. If I take them elsewhere what will their identity be.

I appreciate the point about mainstream politics being a distraction. But I've always found it a good anchor in a weird sense. Like yeah things may get bad but the state will have our back.

But now I'm less confident.

Probably classic over thinking and irrational but legit it's started to wear me down. How much ps can you really stack to protect your future? What do the next 20 years hold? Shall I get out now and bite the bullet? If I stay what sort of future does this country hold for them all questions that have been amplified in recent times.

Might need to chill and switch off for a bit :asif
 
Far right protestors are causing mayhem in Sunderland and they burned down a police station and caused a lot of damage.

This is ridiculous. Starmer has to bring down the hammer on anyone causing destruction at this scale
 
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Far right protestors are causing mayhem in Sunderland and they burned down a police station and caused a lot of damage.

This is ridiculous. Starmer has to bring down the hammer on anyone causing destruction at this scale
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Be interesting to see how much misinformation is being propagated by known IT cells
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I think my perspective changed after having kids.

Recently I am feeling more paranoid about their future and what their identity may be. What the right decision will be for their future, will they be safe growing up. If I take them elsewhere what will their identity be.

I appreciate the point about mainstream politics being a distraction. But I've always found it a good anchor in a weird sense. Like yeah things may get bad but the state will have our back.

But now I'm less confident.

Probably classic over thinking and irrational but legit it's started to wear me down. How much ps can you really stack to protect your future? What do the next 20 years hold? Shall I get out now and bite the bullet? If I stay what sort of future does this country hold for them all questions that have been amplified in recent times.

Might need to chill and switch off for a bit :asif
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I get you, i dont have kids so pbly have a license to be more self centred, but in college i realised my identity was messed up.

im very obviously ethnically Pakistani, speak the language, love the food, the music, but am not religious at all so most desis didnt used to like that. i was moderately wild in my younger days, loved the english language, was into poetry, music, politics and history, but i didnt drink, so now my more western friends were like, i dont get this, how do we socialise?

at some point i filtered all the people who liked me for me and put all my effort into belonging in that group of people who accepted me, my identity thus became who i am in the context of the people who know me best. i gave up on the need to belong to a larger group, I've been alone, and I've survived, i think i would again. ensure your kids have enough love to know they are accepted for who they choose to be, and that they never need to seek validation from outside, i think they'll form their own identities eventually.

ive never believed in the state, nor politicians, they are lying thieves who extoll the virtues of civic duty using our money whilst flouting every rule the first chance they get. yes, they are needed to enforce social order, however that's pretty much the excuse tribal warlords, dictators and mafias have used to justify their existence too.

u need about £500k in liquid assets and you can start to free yourself from the system, anything around £1.5m and you can truly live a moderate-level lifestyle with true freedom where ever you want. if you wanted to get out now, i wouldnt blame you, the future aint bright, but i think that's a global problem. there are no isolated parallel cultures, the whole world revolves around consumerism. you will not escape that anywhere until you escape that within yourself.
 
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Police officers injured and car set on fire in Sunderland unrest

A police office building has been attacked and the property next to it set alight during clashes between rioters and police in Sunderland.

Three officers were taken to hospital and eight people were arrested, Northumbria Police said.

Beer cans and stones were thrown at police officers in riot gear outside a mosque and at least one car was set alight during the disorder on Friday night.

Unrest has broken out in towns and cities across England following the killing of three young girls in Southport on Monday.

Northumbria Police Ch Supt Helena Barron said officers had been met with "serious and sustained" levels of violence, which was "utterly deplorable".

She said a full investigation was under way to identify those responsible for any criminal behaviour.

"I want to make it absolutely clear that the disorder, violence and damage which has occurred will not be tolerated," Ch Supt Barron added.

Of the three injured police officers, one has been discharged and two remain in hospital for further treatment, she said.

Some members of the crowd could be heard shouting Islamophobic slurs and chanting in support of far-right activist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - who uses the alias Tommy Robinson.

Mr Yaxley-Lennon's X account has promoted false claims that the alleged Southport attacker had been an asylum seeker who recently arrived in the UK by boat.

Mounted police were deployed to Sunderland's city centre to push back demonstrators, some of whom were in masks.

Officers also had beer barrels thrown at them, as young men shouted: "Whose streets? Our streets".

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said criminals attacking the police would "pay the price for their violence and thuggery".

Tyne and Wear Fire and Rescue Service confirmed it had been called out to the fire near the Sunderland Central Police office.

Rail and bus services were halted with Tyne and Wear Metro operator Nexus saying it had been asked by British Transport Police to close Sunderland Rail Station at around 22:15 BST.

The Omniplex cinema in the city was also forced to close during the evening in the interest of public and staff safety, it said.

Residents said they could still hear police helicopters in the sky past midnight.

North East Mayor Kim McGuinness said she was "appalled" by the scenes in Sunderland.

"Make no mistake, if your response to tragedy is to use it to commit violence, to abuse others, attack the police and damage property you stand for nothing except thuggery," she said.

"You don't speak for Sunderland. You don't speak for this region."

Sunderland AFC posted on social media: "Tonight’s shameful scenes do not represent our culture, our history, or our people.

"Our great city is built on togetherness and acceptance, and Sunderland will forever be for all. We are stronger as one community."

Sunderland Central MP Lewis Atkinson said the police had his full support in response to the criminal "thuggery".

A crowd of about 200 anti-racist protesters also gathered outside the Abdullah Quilliam Mosque in Liverpool on Friday night after rumours of a far-right protest there.

The group chanted: "Say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome here".

Director of Public Prosecutions Stephen Parkinson said extra prosecutors had been called into work this weekend to deal with the disorder.

"We have deployed dozens of extra prosecutors who are working round the clock this weekend, supporting the police, and ready to make immediate charging decisions so that justice is swiftly delivered," he said.

Towns and cities including London, Hartlepool, Manchester, and Aldershot have seen protests descend into violence following the Southport knife attack.

In response, Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer announced a new national violent disorder programme to help clamp down on violent groups by allowing police forces to share intelligence.

In a televised speech on Thursday, Sir Keir said: "These thugs are mobile, they move from community to community, and we must have a police response that can do the same."

He also condemned "violent disorder, clearly whipped up online".

"We will take all necessary action to keep our streets safe", the PM said.

The BBC has identified at least 30 demonstrations being planned by far-right activists around the UK over the weekend, including a new protest in Southport.

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Almost 30 protests planned for this weekend in Southport stabbing aftermath​


Almost 30 protests - many of them organised by far-right activists - are set to take place this weekend in the wake of the Southport stabbings, according to Sky News analysis.

They would follow violent protests earlier this week, which saw more than 100 people arrested outside Downing Street on Wednesday and eight arrests in Sunderland on Friday night after a building next to a police station was set on fire and objects thrown at officers.

Sky News has seen posts on social media promoting more events in cities across the UK over the coming days, including one targeting a mosque, while counterprotests are also being planned in response to far-right demonstrations.

It has identified a total of 24 protests taking place today - 23 organised by far-right activists and one dubbed an "anti-racist" counterprotest.

Another four far-right-organised protests and an event labelled as a "peaceful vigil" are planned for tomorrow.

Advocacy group Hope Not Hate, which believes there could be up to 35 protests, says many of the events are "under a broad anti-multiculturalism, anti-Muslim and anti-government agenda" and have no single organiser.

They follow a knife attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class at a community centre in Southport on Monday, which left three girls dead. The attack was followed by a wave of online misinformation about the attacker's background.

British police chiefs have agreed to deploy officers in large numbers over the weekend to deter violence and there will be extra prosecutors on standby to charge people who set out to cause violent disorder, according to Gavin Stephens, chair of the National Police Chiefs' Council.

"We will have surge capacity in our intelligence, in our briefing, and in the resources that are out in local communities," Mr Stephens told BBC Radio, adding having additional prosecutors available will ensure "we see swift justice".

It follows Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer's announcement on Thursday that there would be a new "national" response to the disorder, by better linking police forces across the country.

Mosques across the country are also on a heightened state of alert, the Muslim Council of Britain said.

What happened in Sunderland and who was responsible?

There was a stand-off between police and protesters outside a mosque on Friday night, where objects were thrown at officers and a local station was set on fire.

Eight people were arrested for a range of offences - including violent disorder and burglary - and three police officers were taken to hospital after being injured, with two needing further treatment.

Police had projectiles thrown at them as they attempted to contain the group of several hundred protesters in the city's Keel Square.

Lewis Atkinson, MP for Sunderland Central, said a link could be drawn between the disorder and the English Defence League (EDL), which was founded by far-right activist Tommy Robinson.

Some of the protesters were draped in England flags and chants in support of Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, could be heard.

The Labour MP said protests started being suggested by people in a number of social media groups in the wake of the Southport stabbings.

"The far right, for example, Stephen Yaxley Lennon, picked up on those and started promoting those and encouraging known far-right individuals to join," Mr Atkinson told BBC Radio 4.

Asked whether a link could be drawn with the EDL, he said: "I can draw a link because last night one of the flags on the street bore the reference to the North East Infidels, which is a Nazi, EDL offshoot from the northeast chapter of what was the EDL."

Individuals who were involved with the EDL are "still out there" and need to be monitored by police, he said.

Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner said Home Secretary Yvette Cooper would look at whether the EDL should be banned, despite former leader Tommy Robinson's insistence that the group no longer exists.

Tory leadership hopeful Robert Jenrick accused the "far-right" of organising of riots across the country and said "if there is a case" for proscribing the EDL it should be "considered".

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Almost 30 protests planned for this weekend in Southport stabbing aftermath

Police chiefs have promised a heavy police presence across the country, while additional prosecutors are on standby to charge people swiftly.
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Attacking normal people in retaliation is never the solution and should always be condemned wholeheartedly by everyone.

If natives have a problem with mass immigration, they need to take it up with their government and not against immigrants.

Immigrants may not be assimilating and may be causing nuisance to locals, however, it’s the governments job to deport them or assimilate them. Targeting them doesn’t solve anything.

I feel UK government has failed and they need to get a grip on situation and focus on long term rather than short term.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Last thing we need in the current climate
UK is a hostile environment for Muslims.

The right wing media and fake news social media blame us for everything.
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I studied inter-war fascism many years ago. One of the great values of doing so was that it was like receiving a vaccine against hatred.

In Europe and America at least, the fading of historical memory means that the devastating human impact of fascism has become more distant.

Partly as a result of this ‘distancing’, what would once have been taboo is no longer the case. Even on this forum we see anti-Muslim sentiments that have become normalised and which are frequently expressed by small section of members in a way that I don’t think was there a couple of decades ago.

In the case of the far right, Islamophobia is central to its discourse such that it makes us think about the anti-Jewish sentiments in Europe in the inter-war period. There are differences for sure, but parallels can also be seen: the bitterness is visceral, a community is treated as a homogenous group and is ‘othered’ in the name of nativism and is then de-humanised.

There is another parallel. As Aristotle Kallis, a fine historian of fascism, writes:

“Their [far right] calls for ever more radical anti-Islam policies have not so much generated as cognitively “liberated” Islamophobic undercurrents well within mainstream society and politics (that is, allowed them to shed their taboo stigma and become a “legitimate” political/social discourse). And if indeed there is a generalisable cautionary tale from the spasm of intolerance that marked the 1930s, it is that taboo-breaking radicalism is at its most potent when it benefits from a close alignment between radical supply and radicalised popular demand.”

I am not a hippie, but rather than the hate of the far right we need more people who do their best to make the universe more humane and more full of love.
 
KB said:
There is another parallel. As Aristotle Kallis, a fine historian of fascism, writes:
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Aristotle Kallis is such a fine name. I can imagine Kallis shouting Eureka after hitting a boundary, and contemplating the nature of reality before defending a ball.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Attacking normal people in retaliation is never the solution and should always be condemned wholeheartedly by everyone.

If natives have a problem with mass immigration, they need to take it up with their government and not against immigrants.

Immigrants may not be assimilating and may be causing nuisance to locals, however, it’s the governments job to deport them or assimilate them. Targeting them doesn’t solve anything.

I feel UK government has failed and they need to get a grip on situation and focus on long term rather than short term.
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The media are over exaggerating the issue .
Most Brits don’t care , they have their own daily issues.

Then you have a small minority of low intelligence, unhygienic losers who have nothing better to do than cause some trouble .

A few hundred in a few towns causing damage & abusing people , the rest 98% of the country is watching tv .

However the police are again incompetent. Uk is some parts is a real dump sadly
 
Right wing Terrorism is on the rise. We are heading for civil unrest unless the Government cracks down on this extremism.
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A 46-year-old man from Leeds has (Friday, August 2) been sentenced to an 11 year extended sentence for four terrorism offences at Sheffield Crown Court.

Colin McNeil (31/08/1977) received an 11 year extended sentence, comprising of 7 years in custody and 4 years on extended licence. He will also be subject to a terrorist notification order for 30 years.

Colin McNeil, 46

McNeil of Beeston Road, Leeds, provided a service, in the form of an online website, that facilitated others to obtain terrorist publications and by doing so committed four dissemination offences contrary to Section 2(2)(d) Terrorism Act 2006.

The website was deliberately, and very publicly, unmoderated with McNeil admitting in a police interview that he knew the site had been ‘swamped’ by material supporting extreme right-wing ideologies.

When he became aware that terrorist publications were being distributed on the website, he continued to play an active role in its administration. McNeil was first arrested on the 23 March 2022 following an investigation by Counter Terrorism Policing North East.

Specialist Investigators identified that McNeil showed admiration for terrorist publications shared on his website and also used the platform to express his own racist and extreme right-wing views. Furthermore, a number of likeminded convicted international terrorists also used the website to further their ideologies.

Head of Counter Terrorism Policing North East, Detective Chief Superintendent James Dunkerley said:

“There is simply no place for racism in our society. We will continue to seek out those that facilitate and distribute these harmful ideologies. I would urge the public to report any concerning online material that they come across to the national Counter Terrorism Internet Referral Unit (CTIRU) hosted by Counter Terrorism Policing. This unit contains specialist officers who assess online material to determine its nature and whether it breaches legislation, requires further investigation, or highlights any safeguarding concerns.
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Leeds Man sentenced for hosting terrorist website

McNeil of Beeston Road, Leeds, provided a service, in the form of an online website, that facilitated others to obtain terrorist publications.
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KingKhanWC said:
The media are over exaggerating the issue .
Most Brits don’t care , they have their own daily issues.

Then you have a small minority of low intelligence, unhygienic losers who have nothing better to do than cause some trouble .

A few hundred in a few towns causing damage & abusing people , the rest 98% of the country is watching tv .

However the police are again incompetent. Uk is some parts is a real dump sadly
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Yep. Football hooligans have nothing better to do at the moment until the Football kicks off again in a week or two
 
The BBC has removed a video of a teenager accused of murdering three girls in Southport after it emerged he starred in a Children in Need advert

A spokesman for BBC Children in Need said the clip was removed across all platforms "out of respect" for the victims.

"Our deepest sympathies go out to everyone impacted by this shocking case," he said.

In a now-deleted clip promoting the charity from 2018, Axel Rudakubana is seen leaving the Tardis dressed as The Doctor, wearing a trench coat and tie that makes him look like the show's former star David Tennant.

A then-11-year-old Rudakubana tells viewers "It's that time of year again", before offering advice on how best to raise money.

Despite being under the age of 18, Judge Andrew Menary KC lifted reporting restrictions that had prevented the naming of Rudakubana on Thursday.

He said this was necessary to stop the spread of "misinformation" after a false name circulated online had led to disorder and violence on the streets of Southport.

A plea and trial preparation hearing for Rudakubana has been set for 25 October at Liverpool Crown Court, with a provisional trial date, lasting six weeks, scheduled for 20 January next year.

Source: Sky News
 
Four men arrested in Stoke-on-Trent

Four men have been arrested in Stoke-on-Trent after disorder there.

Police denied claims on social media there had been a stabbing.

Staffordshire Police said: "There is growing speculation that a stabbing has taken place as a result of the disorder today.

"We can confirm this information is false."

However, it did say one man was injured after being "hit by a blunt object that was thrown".

His injuries are not thought to be serious.

"Four men have been arrested in connection with the disorder and are currently in custody for questioning," the force said.

Source: Sky News
 
Champ_Pal said:
Wonderful UK. What a great example of multiculturalism 👍
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Crawl back into your hole. You have no Idea what is going on. These are football holigans and far right thugs, who are coming into these towns looting shops and fighting with the police and attacking anyone of colour who are small in numbers.

I would like to see, these losers try this in a area such as Bradford, Birmingham, Leicester or suburbs of London London

Then there are normal working class Brits and they are protesting peacefully and have every right to.

Yes there's issues that need to be addressed and will be. This isn't intolerant India where the majority support Modi and the rest are too scared of being killed if they counter protest.

The true white Brits are cleaning up the mess and damage to their areas and helping rebuild damaged mosque walls.
 
Older white voters don't like immigrants but they absolutely abhor violence and disorder.

They will put a lot of pressure on the government to restore order on the streets
 
YousafTheBeast said:
I haven’t seen the black community come out yet, either the EDL are avoiding those areas or the black community are too busy slashing each other over post codes.

Get the black community and the Muslim Defence League together and the nazis will be running back to their council estates.
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Indeed.

This is the time for Black Lives Matter to turn up. I expect these far-right cowards to flee.
 
It's good that the Muslims have not come out and confronted the racists, the far right are getting exposed for what they are. They are ganging up on isolated people of colour and attacking them, attacking mosques, gurdwaras and temples, and looting shops. So this is showing everyone where that degeneracy and lawlessness is not coming from abroad, the locals are well capable of it, and always have been. Anyone who has followed the English football fans in the past decades would know this already.
 
sweep_shot said:
These far-right cowards seem to be attacking in small cities/towns. Don't think they have the gut to do this in Birmingham or other big cities.
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It’s a few hundred in a few run down areas, the msm are claiming it’s national lol

they never mention Birmingham , far right is nonexistent here & it would need 4/5 thousand to even walk through certain areas.
 
KingKhanWC said:
It’s a few hundred in a few run down areas, the msm are claiming it’s national lol

they never mention Birmingham , far right is nonexistent here & it would need 4/5 thousand to even walk through certain areas.
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Thought so. They are cowards.

They only act big in small towns/cities.

We had a few like this in some conservative parts of Canada but they have gone silent. In big cities like Toronto, these cowards are outnumbered and they probably don't have the gut to do this.
 
Youths pelting police cars in Liverpool

Youths have been throwing objects at police cars in Liverpool.

Officers were deployed after getting information about "planned disorder close to a mosque" in the Walton area, Merseyside Police said.

There is a "significant police presence" as a "result of people being involved in serious violent disorder this evening", the force added.

"Shortly after 9pm, a number of people including youths began throwing objects at police vehicles.

"A wheelie bin was also set alight and extinguished by Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service.

"A Section 60 order is in place across Liverpool this evening, until 8.40pm on Sunday, giving officers extra powers to stop and search people suspected of carrying weapons or planning criminality."

Source: Sky News
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You were defending the right of white British England to preserve their culture by violence, so I was asking you what is the native culture of America as the natives should presumably have the same rights there.
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Topic is on UK and you are asking about US natives.

Well done.
 
sweep_shot said:
These far-right cowards seem to be attacking in small cities/towns. Don't think they have the gut to do this in Birmingham or other big cities.
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You are right sweep shot bro. There are not many caucasian Brits in Birmingstan looking from the outside.
 
More than 90 arrests made after far-right demonstrations turn violent

More than 90 people were arrested after far-right demonstrations descended into riots in towns and cities across the UK on Saturday.

Bottles were thrown, shops looted, and police officers attacked in areas including Hull, Liverpool, Bristol, Manchester, Blackpool and Belfast - but not all demonstrations turned violent.

The prime minister has pledged to give police forces the government's "full support" to take action against "extremists" attempting to "sow hate".

Tensions have been high after the killing of three young girls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance party in Southport, Merseyside, on Monday.

A few hundred anti-fascist demonstrators gathered across from Liverpool’s Lime Street station at lunchtime, calling for unity and tolerance, chanting “refugees are welcome here” and “Nazi scum, off our streets”.

They marched down to the city's riverside to confront around one thousand anti-immigration protestors - some of whom were shouting Islamophobic slurs.

Police in riot gear with dogs struggled to keep the two sides apart and reinforcements were called to try and maintain order.

The unrest continued into the early hours of Sunday morning, with fireworks launched towards police officers wearing riot gear.

A library was set on fire in the Walton area of the city and rioters tried to prevent firefighters from putting it out, Merseyside Police said.

Shops were broken into and a number of wheelie bins were set on fire, it added.

The force confirmed a number of officers had been injured in what they described as "serious disorder", adding that two had been taken to hospital - one with a suspected broken nose and one with a suspected broken jaw.

It said 23 people had been arrested.

Assistant Chief Constable Jenny Simms said: "The disorder, violence and destruction has no place here in Merseyside, least of all after the tragic events that took place in Southport on Monday".

“Those who engaged in this behaviour bring nothing but shame to themselves and this city. "

At a meeting of government ministers earlier on Saturday, a spokesperson for Sir Keir Starmer said the PM told those assembled that "the right to freedom of expression and the violent disorder we have seen are two very different things."

He added: "there is no excuse for violence of any kind and reiterated that the government backs the police to take all necessary action to keep our streets safe".

On Saturday, the home secretary also warned that anyone engaging in "unacceptable disorder” would face imprisonment and travel bans amongst other punishments, adding that "sufficient" prison places had been made available.

"Criminal violence and disorder has no place on Britain's streets," Yvette Cooper said.

Police have the government's full backing in taking action against those engaging in "thuggery", she added.

In Bristol, protesters and counter-protests were engaged in a standoff.

One group could be heard singing Rule Britannia, "England 'til I die" and "we want our country back", while the other side chanted "refugees are welcome here".

Beer cans were thrown at the anti-racism group, and some of the rival protesters were baton-charged by officers.

Avon and Somerset Police said 14 people in the city had been arrested, with Chief Inspector Vicks Hayward-Melen anticipating there would be "further arrests over the coming days".

In Manchester, there were scuffles with police, and at least two arrests.

While in Belfast, two people were arrested as protesters outside a mosque threw objects at members of the media and earlier smashed windows in a cafe.

In Hull, protesters smashed a window at a hotel used to house asylum seekers, and bottles and eggs were thrown at police.

City Hall was placed on lockdown as the British Chess Championships took place inside.

Humberside Police said three police officers had been injured and 20 people arrested after disorder in the city centre also saw shops ransacked and items set on fire.

In Blackpool, protesters faced off against punks attending Rebellion Festival. There was little police presence as skirmishes broke out between the two groups, with bottles and chairs thrown.

Lancashire Police said it had arrested more than 20 people. The force said its focus had been on Blackpool but there had also been "minor disruption" in Blackburn and Preston.

In Stoke-on-Trent, bricks were thrown at officers. Staffordshire Police said that two men at the centre of online claims they had been stabbed had actually been hit by an object that was thrown, and were not seriously injured.

The force said 10 people had been arrested and three officers suffered minor injuries.

Elsewhere Leicestershire Police arrested two people in Leicester city centre. And West Yorkshire Police said a protest on the Headrow in Leeds "passed off largely without incident", despite one arrest being made.

Not all demonstrations held across the UK descended into violence on Saturday, and in some places protesters dispersed by the evening.

Saturday's protests follow a night of violence in Sunderland on Friday, which saw four police officers hospitalised.

Hundreds of people rioted, beer cans and bricks were thrown at riot police outside a mosque and a Citizens Advice office was torched.

Twelve people have been arrested in connection with the violence.

The BBC has identified at least 30 demonstrations being planned by far-right activists around the UK over the weekend, including a new protest in Southport.

An extra 70 prosecutors are on standby this weekend to charge people arrested in connection with violent disorder.

Shadow home secretary James Cleverly called on Sir Keir and the home secretary to "do more" to restore public order and "send a clear message to the thugs".

Earlier this week, the prime minister announced a new national violent disorder programme to help clamp down on violent groups by allowing police forces to share intelligence.

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AAli98 said:
Someone give this guy a medal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1819959962266681574
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10000%

The challenges faced by these ignorant poor NEDS in the modern workforce can be traced to systemic issues within the withering UK education system, which is failing to equip them with the necessary skills for today's job market, especially in new age sectors. Many of them struggle with basic maths and are just borderline literate. This has contributed to a lack of competitiveness in technical fields, while, conversely, many are reluctant to engage in lower-wage positions. As a result, we witness a demographic of young people struggling to find purpose and direction, leading to frustration and a growing divide between them and the hardworking/smarter/successful labor force of immigrant lineage that is often more adaptable to today's demands. Worsening this is decades of austerity.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I have visited Birmingham during my holiday in Eng... Didn't feel much like England to be fair.
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I don't know where you visited there are a few Asian areas but it would make no sense to go all that way to visit them.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I don't know where you visited there are a few Asian areas but it would make no sense to go all that way to visit them.
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I didn't go all the way just to visit Birmingham, I was with my family that are permanently settled in the UK, they went there for some shopping, so I tagged along.


Plenty of mosques, didn't really feel like England...
 
Please stay on topic. No need to share your travel history.

Talk about riots and stabbing inident.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Please stay on topic. No need to share your travel history.

Talk about riots and stabbing inident.
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This kind of fox news disinformation about our cities needs to be countered brother. The fake news like this about cities like Birmingham is what leads to riots.

These guys have been peddling the same rubbish for years.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I didn't go all the way just to visit Birmingham, I was with my family that are permanently settled in the UK, they went there for some shopping, so I tagged along.


Plenty of mosques, didn't really feel like England...
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Will reword what I said previously.

Can you explain what made visiting your permanently settled family for a shopping trip felt like England but the mosques that you saw from outside didn't feel like England?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Will reword what I said previously.

Can you explain what made visiting your permanently settled family for a shopping trip felt like England but the mosques that you saw from outside didn't feel like England?
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It was my first time in Eng and being in Birmingham the whole vibe, ppl, attitude, the way they were dressed etc felt like being in the sub continent...

Oh and like I mention earlier a few mosques as well.. It didn't feel like a Caucasian Christian country..
 
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