[VIDEOS] PCB appoints Mohammad Rizwan as ODI and T20I Captain

[mominsaigol]

This is mind boggling bro, they have wiped out all the good will from the Test series victory, and yes us fans enjoyed that and for good reason. I thought maybe there is a grander scheme but there isn’t, they’ve even taken out the one decent LOI player they had in Fakhar to pave the way for Rizwan, the squad is soul destroying and that’s a reflection on the leader to since he made it clear that he wants to have the final say.

The shocking thing isn't rizzu got made captain, the shocking thing is the squad they have sent to Australia.

The whole squad is rubbish.

 

[IMMY69]

I was under the impression the CT 2025 is perhaps 12 months away and they could have somewhat got away with the recent selections and appointment, so there’s no grander scheme in the background. I don’t know what spell these guys have cast on the regime, but they genuinely feel this lot will win the CT which is months away now.

I don’t know how any die hard Pakistan could be optimistic about their chances in the next ICC tournament, did you not learn from the WT20? it’s going to be another diabolical outing.

The lessons that were learnt from the last T20 World Cup and the one preceding that one is that if Rizwan and Babar don't fire then the team fails.

This is a fact. Tried different openers, tried different middle order batters, but they all failed.

The fact is that Rizwan averages 40 plus in T20's with a strike rate of around 120..: so by this strike rate logic, applied by a few posters here, we should be getting competitive totals if just one or two others contributed consistently.

Consistency is the crucial word here.
In any format of the game a batsman that scores consistently allows the team to achieve higher/competitive scores.

You're better off having a score of 100-2 off 12-13 overs then 70-4 off 8 overs...

 

[Rana]

The lessons that were learnt from the last T20 World Cup and the one preceding that one is that if Rizwan and Babar don't fire then the team fails.

Yes just like Pakistan failed against England….

Oh wait

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes just like Pakistan failed against England….

Oh wait

The only test games that pak managed to draw (NZ) and Win (eng) were without thr input of rizzu and babar

 

[Bewal Express]

It is poetic though.

Rizwan will lose the trophy that sarfaraz won.

In a way ig Misbah won. Misbah wanted to destroy sarfi's career and he succeeded. CT is the final reminder and rizzu losing it is symbolic that he would cause the death of pakistan's wb cricket.

Ct defending champions is literally the only thing pakistan has left to latch onto in terms of white ball?

And we saw yesterday that you wanted Rohail Nazir, a guy that averages lower in all formats, even though he plays at a much lower level and can't hold a candle to Rizs WK. Now write a long essay

 

[mominsaigol]

The lessons that were learnt from the last T20 World Cup and the one preceding that one is that if Rizwan and Babar don't fire then the team fails.

This is a fact. Tried different openers, tried different middle order batters, but they all failed.

The fact is that Rizwan averages 40 plus in T20's with a strike rate of around 120..: so by this strike rate logic, applied by a few posters here, we should be getting competitive totals if just one or two others contributed consistently.

Consistency is the crucial word here.
In any format of the game a batsman that scores consistently allows the team to achieve higher/competitive scores.

You're better off having a score of 100-2 off 12-13 overs then 70-4 off 8 overs...

I love espncricinfo's description of Rizzu

"For years it seemed that rizwan's career would only occur in a parallel universe, as despite making his debut a decade ago, He struggled to find a place in the national side and rack up runs in domestic.

However his fortunes changed as soon as he was promoted to open for the hugely succesful SNGPL unit and after finally making his return in 2019 after a 2 year absence, the limited batsmen but sound keeper has never looked back since"

^^ Even cricinfo has nothing good to say about Rizwan.

 

[Major]

I love espncricinfo's description of Rizzu

"For years it seemed that rizwan's career would only occur in a parallel universe, as despite making his debut a decade ago, He struggled to find a place in the national side and rack up runs in domestic.

However his fortunes changed as soon as he was promoted to open for the hugely succesful SNGPL unit and after finally making his return in 2019 after a 2 year absence, the limited batsmen but sound keeper has never looked back since"

^^ Even cricinfo has nothing good to say about Rizwan.

Sngpl really made the careers of alot of players.

Fun fact rizwan not always a keeper when he came into the cricket season in 2011. He was a great fielder and thus started keeping and now he is amongst the worlds best keepers

Haters triggered..

 

[ahmed16]

Mohammad Rizwan while addressing the press conference today:

"Our focus is on the long term, not just the short term. If you look at the squad against Zimbabwe, there’s a balance between seniors and juniors. We’re searching for the right combination for big events, and for now, I think our combination is perfect."

"In our recent tournament, the Champions One Day Cup, you can notice many things, especially the difference between seniors and younger players."

"I’ve recently been involved in these matters, and in my meetings, I’ve noticed something positive: the selection committee and mentors are trying to get on the same page. Right now, the priority is to take our young players to the international level."

"We have time before the Champions Trophy and World Cup, so Inshallah, by then, I hope we’ll have our best XI in place."

"Yes, I belong to a group—the Pakistan team group. Now, as I step in as captain, one thing is enough for me: that all 15 players are the captain. As captain, my role is to accomplish the tasks, attend presentations, and hold press conferences. If I think of myself as the king, everything would fall apart. As a leader, I am, in fact, a servant to the 15 players."

"As far as achievements in Australia are concerned, all the staff behind us is only asking us to fight, and the entire nation will see that there’ll be no shortage of effort during the Australia tour."

Quite possibly the most sensible thing a captain for Pakistan has said in recent times.

Also I like the blunt honesty from Rizwan about the role of the captain in Pakistan cricket, I get the impression that if he was a yes man then he wouldn't have made these statements.

 

[shaz619]

The lessons that were learnt from the last T20 World Cup and the one preceding that one is that if Rizwan and Babar don't fire then the team fails.

This is a fact. Tried different openers, tried different middle order batters, but they all failed.

The fact is that Rizwan averages 40 plus in T20's with a strike rate of around 120..: so by this strike rate logic, applied by a few posters here, we should be getting competitive totals if just one or two others contributed consistently.

Consistency is the crucial word here.
In any format of the game a batsman that scores consistently allows the team to achieve higher/competitive scores.

You're better off having a score of 100-2 off 12-13 overs then 70-4 off 8 overs...

I learned something else entirely, I found those two set the entire team up for failure with their lack of spine, poor choices, strategy and willingness to play for their country with passion when it needs them most. From crippling the entire balance batting your best player at no.4 and at least one of them opening, especially Rizwan who is not equipped for T20’s. Then you got guys like Ifti with zero reflex’s, bowlers like Shaheen who got stabbed in the back by his friends and various groupings created by Babar/Rizwan with the support of their consultancy group which do you no good in a team environment. And am not going into the depths of despair caused by those two individuals especially Rizwan, has it really been that long since he played that shot against Bumrah or refused to take responsibility to bat in the super over as the senior specialist opener / consistent batter? And on his T20 numbers, I don’t rate them highly at all they’ve done more harm then good and the fact that we’re applying them to ODI’s now, I have no words really.

But I ask you just one question, you seriously believe Rizwan and co are going to take Pakistan to glory in the CT around the corner?

 

[Aami]

Toxic.
Half glass empty brigade.

 

[IMMY69]

I learned something else entirely, I found those two set the entire team up for failure with their lack of spine, poor choices, strategy and willingness to play for their country with passion when it needs them most. From crippling the entire balance batting your best player at no.4 and at least one of them opening, especially Rizwan who is not equipped for T20’s. Then you got guys like Ifti with zero reflex’s, bowlers like Shaheen who got stabbed in the back by his friends and various groupings created by Babar/Rizwan with the support of their consultancy group which do you no good in a team environment. And am not going into the depths of despair caused by those two individuals especially Rizwan, has it really been that long since he played that shot against Bumrah or refused to take responsibility to bat in the super over as the senior specialist opener / consistent batter? And on his T20 numbers, I don’t rate them highly at all they’ve done more harm then good and the fact that we’re applying them to ODI’s now, I have no words really.

But I ask you just one question, you seriously believe Rizwan and co are going to take Pakistan to glory in the CT around the corner?

I have made this point before... our T20 team never recovered from the retirement of Hafeez and Malik (for Malik, especially in Asia)..

In 2021 we had a middle order of Hafeez, Malik, Fakhar and an inform Asif Ali... we haven't been able to replace these guys...

Logically, when you have Rizwan who averages 40+ albeit with a lower strike rate, you only need a couple of consistently strong hitters to make good totals... we just haven't been able to do this. Even a couple of batters that average 30 with a decent strike rate would do, but whoever we've tried has failed.

The Asia Cup in 2022 exposed our new middle order and heaped presssure on the openers... it's been over two years and we haven't found a solution yet.

CT is 50 overs, so I think Rizwan and co can deliver? Well so much has to click for this to happen... our bowlers need to get back their form, Babar needs to get his form back, other batters need to come to the party. It can't be just about one or two batsmen...

look at the current test series, our captain was awful with the bat, didn't show anything special as a captain either but they produced the right wickets, re-called two experienced spinners, a couple of batters in each game produced runs and we rolled over England.

 

[Kianig89]

Looks like the appointment of Rizwan has already caused intestinal cramps to a certain group with agenda, hopefully Rizwan will deliver which will result in haemorrhoids to this group

 

[mominsaigol]

Sngpl really made the careers of alot of players.

Fun fact rizwan not always a keeper when he came into the cricket season in 2011. He was a great fielder and thus started keeping and now he is amongst the worlds best keepers

Haters triggered..

Babar, rizwan and Misbah are in your ATG odi team and so is Imam and Shadab.

Hence I can't really argue with you, because Misbah is your life and rizzu is Misbah's favourite. Their isnt any point In having a conversation with you.

You're only a good poster when you talk about stuff not related to pakistan cricket or Indian cricket.

Anytime you talk about Pakistan cricket itself, it's really just Misbah's podcast being reiterated non stop.

As I said, no point in arguing with someone who can't find his own voice.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar, rizwan and Misbah are in your ATG odi team and so is Imam and Shadab.

Hence I can't really argue with you, because Misbah is your life and rizzu is Misbah's favourite. Their isnt any point In having a conversation with you.

You're only a good poster when you talk about stuff not related to pakistan cricket or Indian cricket.

Anytime you talk about Pakistan cricket itself, it's really just Misbah's podcast being reiterated non stop.

As I said, no point in arguing with someone who can't find his own voice.

@Major Also to reiterate, I checked some of your past posts.

Your hate for shadab came as soon as Misbah stopped backing him and started viewing him in a negative manner.

Misbah from 2019 during his sri lanka post series podcast was talking about shadab as if he's the greatest allrounder to ever exist for pakistan.

As soon as Misbah changed his opinions by late 2022, you changed yours.

As I said you don't have your voice.

 

[IMMY69]

Rizwan seems to be the right choice as captain... hoping he can take the white ball team forward...

 

[IMMY69]

Wow, what did the Aussies (Steve Waugh) call it?
Mental disintegration

 

[IMMY69]

It's a tough job and the chances are that he will struggle. He must look back at the WC and ask what bowlers he can trust to take wickets- because ATM we are not stopping runs or taking wickets

Agreed.
We're just bot in good place at the moment... too many changes in selectors, coaches, captains... then injuries to bowlers etc etc.
Will take something special from everyone involved to turn it around

 

[Bewal Express]

Agreed.
We're just bot in good place at the moment... too many changes in selectors, coaches, captains... then injuries to bowlers etc etc.
Will take something special from everyone involved to turn it around

The middle in particular doesn't look right. I would like Riz to bat at 6,and control a very weak middle order, I would like to see Agha bat at 4 and I want to see Babar open the batting. This still leaves 3 and 5 to sort.

 

[Rana]

Stuff like this leads to national team captaincy

 

[Rana]

“Mohammed Rizwan classics in T20I:

31 (44) vs Ind
55 (49) vs SL
49 (39) vs NED
53 (53) vs Canada

Some of the classic innings in the multinational tournament.”

Proper captaincy material performances

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Riz is the best option for the ODI format but the T20 side could of been an opportunity for Salman Ali to get Captaincy experience.

Riz s workload needs to be managed playing 3 formats.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

This is mind boggling bro, they have wiped out all the good will from the Test series victory, and yes us fans enjoyed that and for good reason. I thought maybe there is a grander scheme but there isn’t, they’ve even taken out the one decent LOI player they had in Fakhar to pave the way for Rizwan, the squad is soul destroying and that’s a reflection on the leader to since he made it clear that he wants to have the final say.

Naqvi admitted that Fakhar s exclusion was down to his tweet in support of Babar and according to him fitness tests.

How is Riz responsible for that?

 

[shaz619]

I have made this point before... our T20 team never recovered from the retirement of Hafeez and Malik (for Malik, especially in Asia)..

In 2021 we had a middle order of Hafeez, Malik, Fakhar and an inform Asif Ali... we haven't been able to replace these guys...

Logically, when you have Rizwan who averages 40+ albeit with a lower strike rate, you only need a couple of consistently strong hitters to make good totals... we just haven't been able to do this. Even a couple of batters that average 30 with a decent strike rate would do, but whoever we've tried has failed.

The Asia Cup in 2022 exposed our new middle order and heaped presssure on the openers... it's been over two years and we haven't found a solution yet.

CT is 50 overs, so I think Rizwan and co can deliver? Well so much has to click for this to happen... our bowlers need to get back their form, Babar needs to get his form back, other batters need to come to the party. It can't be just about one or two batsmen...

look at the current test series, our captain was awful with the bat, didn't show anything special as a captain either but they produced the right wickets, re-called two experienced spinners, a couple of batters in each game produced runs and we rolled over England.

It never recovered because you built a team game around two individuals and sold fans a theory that unless they play in the format and open, Pakistan are doomed, you did all in your power to accommodate them in the line up at the expense of others and had them positioned to score runs during the softest of scenarios.

You send those players in the same position as Rizwan for as many consistent chances as he received then there’s more upside and less pressure down the order to make up for the catastrophic batting in the PP overs, they never quiet grasped the point of the PP overs, it’s easy to blame others when those two kept putting Pakistan under severe pressure and have proven they are not willing to stand up for their country when the going gets tough.

If any tom, dick or harry can captain Pakistan, what has Rizwan done to earn the strap, he surrendered shamefully against India/USA, is extremely stubborn in his opinion of where he should bat in the line up and will only bat there when the chips are up, he is a part of a consultancy group which creates a negative environment and Rizwan himself is responsible for starting the dosti yaari culture and supporting players based on who he wants to take out for a dinner opposed to on merit / what’s best for his country.

You’re a good poster but this is a massive backward step mate and we’re going to unravel in spectacular fashion, it’s like these guy can’t be criticised no matter what they do, unlike more high profile senior players in the past, I’ve never ever witnessed this before after so many abject failures these guys are still supported so well.

 

[shaz619]

Naqvi admitted that Fakhar s exclusion was down to his tweet in support of Babar and according to him fitness tests.

How is Riz responsible for that?

Do you know of all the players who are signed up with the Saya group ?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Mods are sleeping on this thread lol

 

[Snowflake]

No other option in ODIs - so, an understandable decision.

However, a totally horrible decision T20s. Rizwan is not a T20 player. Has always failed in clutch situations and does not add any value to the side. Could’ve appointed any new guy as captain.

 

[JattMaula]

Prophecy fulfilled!


Rizzler is finally the leader!

He will deliver a world title, mark my words!

 

[IMMY69]

It never recovered because you built a team game around two individuals and sold fans a theory that unless they play in the format and open, Pakistan are doomed, you did all in your power to accommodate them in the line up at the expense of others and had them positioned to score runs during the softest of scenarios.

You send those players in the same position as Rizwan for as many consistent chances as he received then there’s more upside and less pressure down the order to make up for the catastrophic batting in the PP overs, they never quiet grasped the point of the PP overs, it’s easy to blame others when those two kept putting Pakistan under severe pressure and have proven they are not willing to stand up for their country when the going gets tough.

If any tom, dick or harry can captain Pakistan, what has Rizwan done to earn the strap, he surrendered shamefully against India/USA, is extremely stubborn in his opinion of where he should bat in the line up and will only bat there when the chips are up, he is a part of a consultancy group which creates a negative environment and Rizwan himself is responsible for starting the dosti yaari culture and supporting players based on who he wants to take out for a dinner opposed to on merit / what’s best for his country.

You’re a good poster but this is a massive backward step mate and we’re going to unravel in spectacular fashion, it’s like these guy can’t be criticised no matter what they do, unlike more high profile senior players in the past, I’ve never ever witnessed this before after so many abject failures these guys are still supported so well.

I think this is where we differ.
in my opinion, Team division, non selection of deserving players, batting positions, groupings etc etc are all down to the PCB and its management.

By in large, we have a group of thick individuals making up the team/squad but what makes it worse is that the actually body that governs them is either equally thick or corrupt...

I've been a strong critic of Babar's captaincy, I actually think it played a big part in our loss to Australia in the semi final of the 2021 World Cup... so he gets removed and then gets the role back again... that's just outrageous...

 

[Snowflake]

Whatever PCT gained from the Test series win against England, albeit on the shoulders of two combined 80-85 years old spinners, is lost from this one decision.

I always said Riz is the MVP of PCT - probably only player now who has a remote chance of making World XI, and the only player who can claim that he is among best in world in his core job - but, that is his weakness for captaincy. He is too precious for PCT to be over burdened with captaining a struggling side (don’t be fooled with these two Test wins, Pakistan cricket is at shambles).

Captaining a struggling side with unrealistic expectations from fan base, administration is the difficult job in cricket- more so for a batting captain. 40 years back, some Kim Hughes left Australian captaincy in tears, though still he had the full backing of his team & board. For a WK who happens to be one of the mainstay of the underperforming batting - that job is even more tougher.

Theoretically, WK is the best position for captaincy - he is placed at the best seat to watch surroundings, he stays in field for the highest time, he gets most numbers of touches of the ball, he is at the centre of everything happening- position of slip fielders, angle of out fielders, keeping field honest about over-rate management, “preparing” ball for reverse swing, pep talks to keep spirit high when going gets tough, sledging, …. You name it, WK is there. For that, often WKs are the most street smart guy of the team - a go to guy for captains almost after every over.

But, it’s a rowdy job, it’s extremely cumbersome job for the multitasking nature - apart from MSD, there had hardly been any long term WK-Captains, hardly any successful one either. Some of the best ever WKs were never made long-term/permanent captains - though they were considered always among the best minds of the team - Holley, Rod Marsh, Knott, Bari, Kirmani, Boucher, Doujon, Taylor, Grout…..

Not even considering that guy is officially 32+, doing an extremely physically demanding job (it’s not a power/strength job like a fast bowler- but WKeeing stresses the endurance of a cricketer most) for three formats and the next WC is good three years away (when guy will be almost 35, again officially) - I’m not sure how PCB can justify their call? Are they planning for a stop gap job, only for Rizwan to struggle and then replace him at the wrong time (closer to next WC) with a new incumbent (or bring back Babar)?

Besides, if indeed they wanted him to captain, then probably the starting portfolio should have been Test - Pakistan doesn’t play too many of this useless format, doesn’t feel necessary or proud either, the current Test captain is struggling as a player and there isn’t a suitable alternative either. But, I don’t see any logic of making him white ball captain!!!

Like it or not, to me the best candidate for white ball captaincy was Shadab - at the right age & mindset, been invested few years of domestic captaincy and to be honest, he genuinely commands a starting spot in PAK white ball team on playing merit - in fact he is among the best white ball players in current PCT, someone who can lead from the from on his playing skills.

I was almost sure that Shadab is going to be the next man, particularly with Gary K in the mix, but as usual PCB is never a forward thinking authority- good calls come from them as the last resort. I’m afraid, eventually PCB will move towards Shadab, but again at the wrong time, ruining both his reputation & proving it to be another mistake.

Anyway, Riz is starting his captaincy career at the worst possible time & place - good luck to him. Hope, he is not sacked after couple of months into the role.

All that to say Shadab would be the perfect choice?

Guy doesn’t even deserve a place in the side, let alone be the captain.

 

[IMMY69]

@shaz619
I'm not to bothered about T20's but, if I was the decision maker, I would pick a younger captain with a young team.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Nicely done.

Babar and Shaheen already out.

And have thrown Rizwan to the wolves by making him captain.

Watch how it all disintegrates for him as he is given a role he has no ability to handle.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

expect more dramaybazi on the field now with more authority! lol

 

[kingusama92]

Probably the only option they had for ODIs but terrible choice for T20Is.

You can argue he shouldn't even be playing in the format.

 

[Shaka81]

Good decision. Rizwan always seemed to have the best leadership credentials in the current group. I'm sure he'll be a big success, causing his haters even more pain and suffering!

 

[TheSultan]

which is why you are not a cricketer and he is.

Yea cheers well done

 

[TheSultan]

The lessons that were learnt from the last T20 World Cup and the one preceding that one is that if Rizwan and Babar don't fire then the team fails.

This is a fact. Tried different openers, tried different middle order batters, but they all failed.

The fact is that Rizwan averages 40 plus in T20's with a strike rate of around 120..: so by this strike rate logic, applied by a few posters here, we should be getting competitive totals if just one or two others contributed consistently.

Consistency is the crucial word here.
In any format of the game a batsman that scores consistently allows the team to achieve higher/competitive scores.

You're better off having a score of 100-2 off 12-13 overs then 70-4 off 8 overs...

You guys never learn do you. I bet you probably thought that about us without babar in tests.

I bet you thought that about Misbah in ODIs too.

The world moves on, there’s no place for hero worship.

 

[ads101]

I think it’s a few years too late. But let’s see.

Shadab is the future captain like it or not. We’ve been grooming him to do this for years and have backed him as an allrounder over all others, he doesn’t have much competition as a result. So I think it was time to give it to him at least t20, perfect time as well after back to back domestic wins. Have to focus on the long term. Giving shadab at this stage there’s time to iron out some of the flaws and usher in the new generation.

I think we’re hoping that we can go back to Shaheen after or someone like Haris steps in, when Rizwan retires. But I just can’t see that realistically happening.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Do you know of all the players who are signed up with the Saya group ?

That is the least of our concerns when the country is being screwed over by the corrupt and biggest mafia s ever in PK history.

 

[Rana]

That is the least of our concerns when the country is being screwed over by the corrupt and biggest mafia s ever in PK history.

Ah Yes, all is fair in love and war.

Says is allowed to screw Pakistan cricket because they country is being screwed by a Mafia that appointed Rizwan as captain.

 

[gazza619]

I am wondering where to bury alive all the haters in this thread when Riz makes us proud again.

Unfortunately no matter what Riz does will not be enough for them. As they say “When you have haters, you're doing something right”

 

[RidiculousMan]

Probably the only option they had for ODIs but terrible choice for T20Is.

You can argue he shouldn't even be playing in the format.

Only one of Babar and Rizwan fits at no. 3. The other has to be dropped

 

[Rana]

I am wondering where to bury alive all the haters in this thread when Riz makes us proud again.

Unfortunately no matter what Riz does will not be enough for them. As they say “When you have haters, you're doing something right”

That means Azam Khan, Sharjeel Khan and Umar Akmal are all doing something right

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Ah Yes, all is fair in love and war.

Says is allowed to screw Pakistan cricket because they country is being screwed by a Mafia that appointed Rizwan as captain.

You illuminate the level of idiocy among the fans of corrupt mafia.

It s all fair in love and war when fighting an enemy.

Not your own people.

Understand the meaning of Least of our concerns.

For people like you cricket is above the country but what you fail to realise is without the country there is no cricket.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

That means Azam Khan, Sharjeel Khan and Umar Akmal are all doing something right

Are they in the current Pakistan first X1 set up. ???.

 

[Rana]

“SAYA corporation screwing our cricket is the least of our concerns considering how the country is dealing with our leader’s cult!”

Sharam karo!!

 

[shamaan]

As ODI captain, he was the best choice.

Unfortunately, in T20s I don't see the team progressing forward.

I hope he does what's best for the team and either open or bat at 5/6.

 

[shamaan]

Good decision to appoint Rizwan as odi captain.

 

[TheSultan]

I am wondering where to bury alive all the haters in this thread when Riz makes us proud again.

Unfortunately no matter what Riz does will not be enough for them. As they say “When you have haters, you're doing something right”

How many times have you buried yourself for backing all of babar and Rizwan’s failures?

 

[mominsaigol]

I am wondering where to bury alive all the haters in this thread when Riz makes us proud again.

Unfortunately no matter what Riz does will not be enough for them. As they say “When you have haters, you're doing something right”

What's your criteria for rizzu making us proud?

You realise to be a succesful captain you need performance + Bi lateral dominance + tournament wins?

Only Imran Khan and Younis Khan fulfilled all criteria's for pakistan.

Sarfi fulfilled all these until 2017. 2018 was a mixed bag excluding t20.

Babar achieved bi laterals dominance for a short while only and flunked in all other metrics.

Shan is flunking in all metrics minus England series.

So what's the criteria for rizwan? Attending presentations?

 

[Caved12]

In Pakistan cricket, having separate captains for ODIs, T20Is, and Tests is a recipe for disaster. The ongoing situation reflects this, with players publicly supporting each other and pushing back against Naqvi's decisions. Naqvi himself has faced criticism, but the controversy largely stems from his actions concerning players like Shaheen, Babar and Fakhar, who seem to advocate for more player power and influence in running cricket affairs in the country. This division has already created a tense environment where the struggle for control is evident.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rizwan deserves this, looks like a captaincy material too.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan deserves this, looks like a captaincy material too.

Jee jee bilkul, He deserved it by flunking a low level tournament followed by avg 19 in this test series

 

[shah9425]

Goodbye clown thrown out from contract too so happy

 

[gazza619]

What's your criteria for rizzu making us proud?

You realise to be a succesful captain you need performance + Bi lateral dominance + tournament wins?

Only Imran Khan and Younis Khan fulfilled all criteria's for pakistan.

Sarfi fulfilled all these until 2017. 2018 was a mixed bag excluding t20.

Babar achieved bi laterals dominance for a short while only and flunked in all other metrics.

Shan is flunking in all metrics minus England series.

So what's the criteria for rizwan? Attending presentations?

Well of course we will have the same criteria for Riz.

Only if haters could see beyond the sajda..

 

[mominsaigol]

Well of course we will have the same criteria for Riz.

Only if haters could see beyond the sajda..

I doubt that.

Because I can already hear the excuses for aussie series.

Then for Zimbabwe you'll praise rizzu over thr moon and then make more excuses for ct 2025.

I highly highly doubt you'll be fair to rizzu. You're defo gonna be biased

 

[CerebralPatriot]

The darkest day in the history of Pakistan cricket

This was the plan all along when Misbah under Imran's orders removed our greatest captain ever and replaced him with a villager in the form of Babar

From then it was Ramiz who carried on this destruction and it was all for this moment- to make the destroyer of Pakistan cricket its leader

When best of luck to all those who support this man, the real fans of Pakistan cricket will however ensure that he does not get away with the same crimes his buddy Babar did

 

[mominsaigol]

The darkest day in the history of Pakistan cricket

This was the plan all along when Misbah under Imran's orders removed our greatest captain ever and replaced him with a villager in the form of Babar

From then it was Ramiz who carried on this destruction and it was all for this moment- to make the destroyer of Pakistan cricket its leader

When best of luck to all those who support this man, the real fans of Pakistan cricket will however ensure that he does not get away with the same crimes his buddy Babar did

Naw, Misbah always wanted rizwan.

He just couldn't make him captain then cause rizzu was a no body and it would have been another azhar Ali 2016 captaincy appointment PR disaster.

Rizzu captained one NZ test game and lost.

This was Misbah's vision all along. Babar was a forced choice.

 

[Rana]

The very next day Kirsten resigns

What does this say?

 

[mominsaigol]

Mark my words we will see Misbah's vision come soon once rizzu gets more power.

This whole I am a slave to 15 players drama will fall flat.

Babar, Rizwan, Abrar, Chacha will be the stars

 

[gazza619]

The very next day Kirsten resigns

What does this say?

Kirsten appointment was pointless and a money wasting exercise.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan's captaincy is an honor. Mohammad Rizwan

The characteristic of a captain is to hold the team together.

Interview with PCB Digital. Lahore, 28 October.

Pakistan white-ball captain Muhammad Rizwan says that it is a dream for any player to play for Pakistan; it is a great honor and even more so to lead the Pakistan team. "It's hard to describe,"

Mohammad Rizwan said in an interview given to PCB Digital, "It is an honor for me on one hand and a challenge on the other that I fulfill this responsibility according to the expectations that the nation has placed on me. I will try to balance this honor and pressure and handle it well."

Rizwan said that the responsibility of leadership is very big. He has captained Under-19 and regional and domestic teams before but never expressed his desire to captain. "I have learned from all the captains I have played under in the past. Some have been gentle, and some have been emotional. There are some angry people, so I have learned something. I didn't aspire for captaincy, but when the responsibility comes, I will try to do it well because there is a difference between Pakistan captaincy and captaincy at the lower level. I will try to apply what I have learned, and Allah will help me."

Rizwan said that the characteristic of the captain is to bring the team together. "When the team is together, the whole team is seen together; it is not seen because of one member." He said that at this time, we have a lot of young talent. "You will see all the captains in this team."

He said that when you are playing for Pakistan, it is definitely a pressure game. "That wicket-keeping in the past, I have done batting and captaincy side by side and will continue what Allah has taught me." He said that he has also been the vice-captain in all formats, and the whole team was happy with him, and will continue to do what is good for the Pakistan team.

"We have always faced difficulties in Australia," he said. "If we work on them, we will beat Australia in Australia. If we haven't beaten them in the past, it doesn't necessarily mean we can't beat them in the end. We are going at it with thought and passion. We have to fight there together with senior and young players; the result is left to Allah."

Rizwan said that his vision is to have a captain ready as a backup, not only a captain but also a keeper. "We have been losing in the semi-finals in major tournaments, and we have to prepare with the Champions Trophy and the World Cup in India in mind. Those should be our targets."

He said that he would like to be an example for all the players and would like to leave such a legacy that when he goes, Pakistan will have good players. "His biggest wish is to see Pakistan cricket up."

"When the young players come into the team, it takes time for them to adjust and understand, but he feels that the gap has narrowed now, and he hopes that this team will look different."

Rizwan said that sometimes the fans are angry with our results, but despite that, the love is there. "Similarly, when we are bowling, don't be afraid of getting a four, but hope for a catch and an out. You should think positively. We will try our best.

 

[Kianig89]

Excellent Rizwan also does preaching work, now the Mullahs can call him on stage that please welcome Pakistan Captain Muhammad Rizwan.

Hopefully His captaincy will be assured and upto the mark

 

[emranabbas]

Well of course we will have the same criteria for Riz.

Only if haters could see beyond the sajda..

Will he be playing as batsmen, wicket keeper and captain? Or sometimes batsmen and sometimes wicket keeper and sometimes as captain?

 

[Rana]

Rizwan said that his vision is to have a captain ready as a backup, not only a captain but also a keeper. "We have been losing in the semi-finals in major tournaments, and we have to prepare with the Champions Trophy and the World Cup in India in mind. Those should be our targets

Which major tournament? The ICC 50 over World Cup?

Or the two tournaments where Pakistan had no business going through to the semis?

Man is still selling that backwas chooran that was sold under Ramiz Raja

 

[Rana]

Kirsten appointment was pointless and a money wasting exercise.

Yes we should have hired Saqlain Mushtaq

 

[gazza619]

Will he be playing as batsmen, wicket keeper and captain? Or sometimes batsmen and sometimes wicket keeper and sometimes as captain?

No he will be playing as a bowler and will occasionally do umpiring.

 

[gazza619]

Yes we should have hired Saqlain Mushtaq

Dont need the father in law either. Let Aaqib run the show and get an experienced local coach to help with training and man management etc.

 

[MMHS]

All that to say Shadab would be the perfect choice?

Guy doesn’t even deserve a place in the side, let alone be the captain.

As I said, this two Test wins have taken sense out of PAK fans - you'll come to reality in three weeks time, no worries.

This is not the PCT of 1980/90s, not even of 00s - this is a PAK side which is border line minnow in cricket and specially at least 25 years behind in white ball version - will be whipped mercilessly by ENG, AUS or Indian reserves in ODIs, probably SAF & NZ as well. For such a "dynamic" team, it's a luxury to have a cricketer like Shadab - his ODI stats are very good for the standard, and his T20 stats are world class - probably the MVP of PTC's T20 team. In T20, 18/140 batting and 23/7.2/20 bowling stats is equivalent to world class Test all-rounder stats like 29/29, and guy is comfortably best fielder in the squad.

Your problem is unrealistic expectations - otherwise, Shadab was instrumental in taking PAK to 2022 T20 WC final, was among better players of 2019 WC - yes, he had one bad WC in 2023..... but it can happen - apart from that 67 against Kiwis & 69 against Aussies, can't recall anything from Inzi in WCs .... and guy had played 5 of them.

Please start to judge Shadab in white ball cricket in comparison with his contemporary team mates & available "talunt" - not by benchmark stats or "Achievements", or not comparing what A Qadir, Saqline ... that will be fantasy cricket, not for modern generation of PAK fans. I guess, couple of years back it created a laughter when I wrote that Babar won't make PAK's all-time ODI XI over Mazid Khan as opener (and won't carry Z Abbas's boot at three) ..... now, guy is dropped from Test squad and team won twos Tests - that's the bitter reality of modern PCT standard.

Shadab is the type of cricketer one should back for captaincy - how good he is in subjective. He might not make the playing XI of top 3-4 Ranji Teams as Spin All-rounder, but probably you should reconsider the idea when it comes to making "talunted" PAK squad. He makes a perfect balance batting at 6/7 and can take wickets between over no. 15-40, when batsmen are not in a mad rush - 10-0-53-3 is a match winning bowling figure in modern era of 300 per, if the wickets are from No. 1-5 and guy did that few times, besides can add valuable runs at the bottom half.

COMING to the CAPTAINCY: It's extremely difficult to lead a struggling side (with unrealistic expectations) for a batting captain as the Captain has to lead from the front and his KPI is measurable - Bradman had 23 scores of single digit and 39 (half of his career) innings under 50 - means only every alternate innings he was successful. That's Bradman, for other ATGs it'll be like 1 in every 3.5 to 4.5 innings.... For Shan Masood it'll be every 23-25...... It didn't hurt Bradman because other 41 innings, he averaged 170+.... it didn't hurt Mark Taylor also (when he had 33 innings without a 50), because his team was winning left, right & centre. But, it'll hurt PCT's batting captain if he fails even in every alternate innings and team wins one in every 6/7 games. A bowling Captain can have barren days (no wicket), but still can make-up by bowling tight, or at least can take himself out of bowling line and come back later.

So, absolutely no way, PCT white ball captain should be a batsman - it has to be a bowler, or bowling all-rounder. Among bowlers, fast bowlers shouldn't be made captain, because of workload - even in olden days guys like Lillee, Marshall, Truman, Hadlee, Holding, Wes Hall, Roberts ..... were never made Captains, because you can't drop/rest your captain selectively and you shouldn't play your premier fast bowler every game. Besides, every fast bowler will need some time off after every spell means, his deputy has to be equally capable - Imran had Javed, Bob Willis had Gooch/Gower, now Cummins has Steve Smith - PAK pacers will have again - Babar Azam. After SSA's experiment, only realistic option is Naseem, but he is too young, too injury prone for that.

Therefore, there are just two options left - Shadab or Aga.... but Aga doesn't assure 10 overs and if he is to pick as a batsman, who can roll arm - it can work in Test with 4 bowlers and 1 Aga. But, not in LOs where one has to pick 5 bowlers (part-timers can be successful as 6th bowler, but at toss if you make it evident that Aga will be bowling 10 overs, batting teams will cut cakes ...). So for white ball, all-rounder must ensure 10 overs (or has to be batsman like Viv, SRT, Mark Waugh, Hari De Silva, Team Head, Chris Gayle, ........ at least Amir Sohail, Markram) - find me one please.

This is the realistic scenario, based on which I don't see anyone beyond Shadab, unless they decide to appoint a specialist Captain (Shan is good choice for that - speaks OxBridge English as well), or what they have done - put another ton on Riz's back - guy already spends significant time in middle trying fix himself while batting.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I don't know how to feel about this decision.

On one hand, it makes sense considering the experience he possess & the lack of leaders in the Pakistan team.

On the other hand, Pakistan needs to think long term & for me Rizwan doesn't fit into both LOI sides. He isn't the best option for T20 nor ODI but due to lack of options you kind of have to contend with Rizwan.

Ahead of the CT'25 having Rizwan as a short term option is fine but for T20I it doesn't make sense. But then who do you give the captaincy to.

So... Yeah it is what it is.

On a sidenote: he's character needs to improve, specially in front of microphone.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Goodbye clown thrown out from contract too so happy

He should have resigned himself.. its a bit insulting that they didn't offer him a central contract.

 

[Kianig89]

Very very tough tour coming up for Rizwan, he can potentially end up blanked 6-0. These kind of results cause mental disintegration to team, hopefully he is ready for this, add to it a group of fans already waiting with knives and shovels

 

[Snowflake]

As I said, this two Test wins have taken sense out of PAK fans - you'll come to reality in three weeks time, no worries.

This is not the PCT of 1980/90s, not even of 00s - this is a PAK side which is border line minnow in cricket and specially at least 25 years behind in white ball version - will be whipped mercilessly by ENG, AUS or Indian reserves in ODIs, probably SAF & NZ as well. For such a "dynamic" team, it's a luxury to have a cricketer like Shadab - his ODI stats are very good for the standard, and his T20 stats are world class - probably the MVP of PTC's T20 team. In T20, 18/140 batting and 23/7.2/20 bowling stats is equivalent to world class Test all-rounder stats like 29/29, and guy is comfortably best fielder in the squad.

Your problem is unrealistic expectations - otherwise, Shadab was instrumental in taking PAK to 2022 T20 WC final, was among better players of 2019 WC - yes, he had one bad WC in 2023..... but it can happen - apart from that 67 against Kiwis & 69 against Aussies, can't recall anything from Inzi in WCs .... and guy had played 5 of them.

Please start to judge Shadab in white ball cricket in comparison with his contemporary team mates & available "talunt" - not by benchmark stats or "Achievements", or not comparing what A Qadir, Saqline ... that will be fantasy cricket, not for modern generation of PAK fans. I guess, couple of years back it created a laughter when I wrote that Babar won't make PAK's all-time ODI XI over Mazid Khan as opener (and won't carry Z Abbas's boot at three) ..... now, guy is dropped from Test squad and team won twos Tests - that's the bitter reality of modern PCT standard.

Shadab is the type of cricketer one should back for captaincy - how good he is in subjective. He might not make the playing XI of top 3-4 Ranji Teams as Spin All-rounder, but probably you should reconsider the idea when it comes to making "talunted" PAK squad. He makes a perfect balance batting at 6/7 and can take wickets between over no. 15-40, when batsmen are not in a mad rush - 10-0-53-3 is a match winning bowling figure in modern era of 300 per, if the wickets are from No. 1-5 and guy did that few times, besides can add valuable runs at the bottom half.

COMING to the CAPTAINCY: It's extremely difficult to lead a struggling side (with unrealistic expectations) for a batting captain as the Captain has to lead from the front and his KPI is measurable - Bradman had 23 scores of single digit and 39 (half of his career) innings under 50 - means only every alternate innings he was successful. That's Bradman, for other ATGs it'll be like 1 in every 3.5 to 4.5 innings.... For Shan Masood it'll be every 23-25...... It didn't hurt Bradman because other 41 innings, he averaged 170+.... it didn't hurt Mark Taylor also (when he had 33 innings without a 50), because his team was winning left, right & centre. But, it'll hurt PCT's batting captain if he fails even in every alternate innings and team wins one in every 6/7 games. A bowling Captain can have barren days (no wicket), but still can make-up by bowling tight, or at least can take himself out of bowling line and come back later.

So, absolutely no way, PCT white ball captain should be a batsman - it has to be a bowler, or bowling all-rounder. Among bowlers, fast bowlers shouldn't be made captain, because of workload - even in olden days guys like Lillee, Marshall, Truman, Hadlee, Holding, Wes Hall, Roberts ..... were never made Captains, because you can't drop/rest your captain selectively and you shouldn't play your premier fast bowler every game. Besides, every fast bowler will need some time off after every spell means, his deputy has to be equally capable - Imran had Javed, Bob Willis had Gooch/Gower, now Cummins has Steve Smith - PAK pacers will have again - Babar Azam. After SSA's experiment, only realistic option is Naseem, but he is too young, too injury prone for that.

Therefore, there are just two options left - Shadab or Aga.... but Aga doesn't assure 10 overs and if he is to pick as a batsman, who can roll arm - it can work in Test with 4 bowlers and 1 Aga. But, not in LOs where one has to pick 5 bowlers (part-timers can be successful as 6th bowler, but at toss if you make it evident that Aga will be bowling 10 overs, batting teams will cut cakes ...). So for white ball, all-rounder must ensure 10 overs (or has to be batsman like Viv, SRT, Mark Waugh, Hari De Silva, Team Head, Chris Gayle, ........ at least Amir Sohail, Markram) - find me one please.

This is the realistic scenario, based on which I don't see anyone beyond Shadab, unless they decide to appoint a specialist Captain (Shan is good choice for that - speaks OxBridge English as well), or what they have done - put another ton on Riz's back - guy already spends significant time in middle trying fix himself while batting.

He didn’t just have a bad WC. He’s been out of sorts for the last 2 years.

 

[Rana]

Apparently Kirsten was in the 8 hour meeting and listened to Rizwan speak for 8 hours…


This lead to his resignation

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Yes we should have hired Saqlain Mushtaq

Apparently Naqvi is bringing him back

 

[mominsaigol]

Dont need the father in law either. Let Aaqib run the show and get an experienced local coach to help with training and man management etetc.

Let's be honest, You're happy with Aqib as long as he's willing to support rizzu lol.

This is the issue with pakistan fans. They think one good thing automatically equates to said person becoming a jesus or saviour.

Misbah and rizzu fans are no different cause they believe one good action means you can overlook the bad.

Whoever agrees with you is someone you support.

 

[gazza619]

Let's be honest, You're happy with Aqib as long as he's willing to support rizzu lol.

This is the issue with pakistan fans. They think one good thing automatically equates to said person becoming a jesus or saviour.

Misbah and rizzu fans are no different cause they believe one good action means you can overlook the bad.

Whoever agrees with you is someone you support.

I am with Aaqib as long as he is fair.

Thats my motto. Riz doesnt matter. Fairness matters.

 

[mominsaigol]

My opinion on Aqib is that he has the right idea.

Alot of people think I hate Aqib because he's supporting rizzu but I don't.

The guy is the reason we beat England, and his idea is correct from a paper standpoint.

Aka choose domestic performers + punish stupid remarks on twitter and warn players of the dangers of running their mouth on media and get rid of dead weight parchi's like Imam, chacha and shadab.

However the issue is Aqib himself isn't a coach. He doesn't know the players from a personality and culture standpoint.

Hence on paler rizzu seems like the most logical choice + backing babar and shaheen to come back in form. But if anyone like Gary Kristen actually did a personality analysis and was their to see how rizzu, Shaheen, Babar and many others behave in the set up, Only then he'd make fair judgements.

Rn you have a guy who's calling the shots but isn't aware of the full story and it's unlikely he will be, since he's eyeing a managerial role in pcb and not a coaching role.

To top it off local coaches will give him wrong info because their likely to be Rizzu yes men.

@gazza619

 

[Mohraheem]

Rizwan should sign a contract that he will not speak to Misbah Azhar ali and chacha! Make a rule, anyone who becomes a tuktuk -er will be banned from team! Anyone player who wants to do tuktuk go knock on Misbah’s door not international cricket! Move forward with cricket not Backward with defensive tuktuk

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan should sign a contract that he will not speak to Misbah Azhar ali and chacha! Make a rule, anyone who becomes a tuktuk -er will be banned from team! Anyone player who wants to do tuktuk go knock on Misbah’s door not international cricket! Move forward with cricket not Backward with defensive tuktuk

lol, Rizzu is Misbah's favourite cricketer?

Misbah literally chose rizwan as his true successor?

 

[khyberlion]

As I said, this two Test wins have taken sense out of PAK fans - you'll come to reality in three weeks time, no worries.

This is not the PCT of 1980/90s, not even of 00s - this is a PAK side which is border line minnow in cricket and specially at least 25 years behind in white ball version - will be whipped mercilessly by ENG, AUS or Indian reserves in ODIs, probably SAF & NZ as well. For such a "dynamic" team, it's a luxury to have a cricketer like Shadab - his ODI stats are very good for the standard, and his T20 stats are world class - probably the MVP of PTC's T20 team. In T20, 18/140 batting and 23/7.2/20 bowling stats is equivalent to world class Test all-rounder stats like 29/29, and guy is comfortably best fielder in the squad.

Your problem is unrealistic expectations - otherwise, Shadab was instrumental in taking PAK to 2022 T20 WC final, was among better players of 2019 WC - yes, he had one bad WC in 2023..... but it can happen - apart from that 67 against Kiwis & 69 against Aussies, can't recall anything from Inzi in WCs .... and guy had played 5 of them.

Please start to judge Shadab in white ball cricket in comparison with his contemporary team mates & available "talunt" - not by benchmark stats or "Achievements", or not comparing what A Qadir, Saqline ... that will be fantasy cricket, not for modern generation of PAK fans. I guess, couple of years back it created a laughter when I wrote that Babar won't make PAK's all-time ODI XI over Mazid Khan as opener (and won't carry Z Abbas's boot at three) ..... now, guy is dropped from Test squad and team won twos Tests - that's the bitter reality of modern PCT standard.

Shadab is the type of cricketer one should back for captaincy - how good he is in subjective. He might not make the playing XI of top 3-4 Ranji Teams as Spin All-rounder, but probably you should reconsider the idea when it comes to making "talunted" PAK squad. He makes a perfect balance batting at 6/7 and can take wickets between over no. 15-40, when batsmen are not in a mad rush - 10-0-53-3 is a match winning bowling figure in modern era of 300 per, if the wickets are from No. 1-5 and guy did that few times, besides can add valuable runs at the bottom half.

COMING to the CAPTAINCY: It's extremely difficult to lead a struggling side (with unrealistic expectations) for a batting captain as the Captain has to lead from the front and his KPI is measurable - Bradman had 23 scores of single digit and 39 (half of his career) innings under 50 - means only every alternate innings he was successful. That's Bradman, for other ATGs it'll be like 1 in every 3.5 to 4.5 innings.... For Shan Masood it'll be every 23-25...... It didn't hurt Bradman because other 41 innings, he averaged 170+.... it didn't hurt Mark Taylor also (when he had 33 innings without a 50), because his team was winning left, right & centre. But, it'll hurt PCT's batting captain if he fails even in every alternate innings and team wins one in every 6/7 games. A bowling Captain can have barren days (no wicket), but still can make-up by bowling tight, or at least can take himself out of bowling line and come back later.

So, absolutely no way, PCT white ball captain should be a batsman - it has to be a bowler, or bowling all-rounder. Among bowlers, fast bowlers shouldn't be made captain, because of workload - even in olden days guys like Lillee, Marshall, Truman, Hadlee, Holding, Wes Hall, Roberts ..... were never made Captains, because you can't drop/rest your captain selectively and you shouldn't play your premier fast bowler every game. Besides, every fast bowler will need some time off after every spell means, his deputy has to be equally capable - Imran had Javed, Bob Willis had Gooch/Gower, now Cummins has Steve Smith - PAK pacers will have again - Babar Azam. After SSA's experiment, only realistic option is Naseem, but he is too young, too injury prone for that.

Therefore, there are just two options left - Shadab or Aga.... but Aga doesn't assure 10 overs and if he is to pick as a batsman, who can roll arm - it can work in Test with 4 bowlers and 1 Aga. But, not in LOs where one has to pick 5 bowlers (part-timers can be successful as 6th bowler, but at toss if you make it evident that Aga will be bowling 10 overs, batting teams will cut cakes ...). So for white ball, all-rounder must ensure 10 overs (or has to be batsman like Viv, SRT, Mark Waugh, Hari De Silva, Team Head, Chris Gayle, ........ at least Amir Sohail, Markram) - find me one please.

This is the realistic scenario, based on which I don't see anyone beyond Shadab, unless they decide to appoint a specialist Captain (Shan is good choice for that - speaks OxBridge English as well), or what they have done - put another ton on Riz's back - guy already spends significant time in middle trying fix himself while batting.

One of the rare posters here who actually understand cricket. A shame you don't post as often. As a lurker for a long time I use to read your posts. Excellent poster.