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Angrez Pakistani said:
Imagine India giving up on Rohit Sharma just because of his underwhelming start. Some players just need a bit of backing at the right stage of their careers. Haider needs that right now. Even Babar needed that backing in his test career. We shouldn’t give up so early on some of these new kids.
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Haider is a disgrace. Don't compare him to Rohit. Rohit would have never done what Haider did today. Almost losing Pak an easy series win against SA B side.
 
PakEngFan said:
He’s is talented for sure but very raw at the moment he needs to get back to domestics and work with yousuf.
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What talent exactly do you see in this glorfied leg side hack? Please I would be very interested to read. I have followed him very closely and he doesn't even look remotely talented. He is in the league of Iftikhar, Asif and Khushdil Shah.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
Rohit was atrocious in his early days.
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He was never this bad. Plus he always had his off side game. Haider has ziltch. You at least needs basic right. Haider just closes his eyes and swings his bat on leg side. That is his talent. Rohit had more than this talent.
 
MRSN said:
What talent exactly do you see in this glorfied leg side hack? Please I would be very interested to read. I have followed him very closely and he doesn't even look remotely talented. He is in the league of Iftikhar, Asif and Khushdil Shah.
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If you know about batting and you have seen enough cricket. You would know he's a talanted lad. However that doesn't mean performance. As i said hes very raw at the moment and comes acorss ugly and irresponsible. At the moment he' s just playing on instincts and doesn't have a soild foundation. He plays both pace and spin well which is a rarety for us.

What he needs to do spend hours and hours of batting. I am sorry to say if you knew anything about batting you wouldn't have compared him with Asif Ali and Khushdil Shah. I will repeat again i am not saying he shouldn't be dropped all i am saying is he's not a finished article by any means wheather he develops or not is a different question all together.
 
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He does have natural talent but he's coached so horribly that will have to alter his technique completely and start it from a scratch , he needs couple of season under his belt as well or one season if he starts scoring heavily in domestic after altering his technique completely.
 
MRSN said:
What talent exactly do you see in this glorfied leg side hack? Please I would be very interested to read. I have followed him very closely and he doesn't even look remotely talented. He is in the league of Iftikhar, Asif and Khushdil Shah.
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Lol he is a batting prodigy every cricketing lagend who watched him bat has said he is the next big batsman in WC so leg side hack is blasphemous to say the least

His brain is like that of Umar akmal tho, that's why he is so terrible

No temperament what so ever
 
Talent alone gets you nowhere.

We have seen plenty of so-called talented cricketers end up on the scrapheap in Pakistan.

This lad has a lot of shots, he plays some special shots, but he also plays a lot of very poor shots.

The percentage of high-risk shots needs to reduce if he is to improve. They look good if they succeed, but if you keep on playing stupid shots then more often than not you will be walking back to the pavilion.
 
Saj said:
Talent alone gets you nowhere.

We have seen plenty of so-called talented cricketers end up on the scrapheap in Pakistan.

This lad has a lot of shots, he plays some special shots, but he also plays a lot of very poor shots.

The percentage of high-risk shots needs to reduce if he is to improve. They look good if they succeed, but if you keep on playing stupid shots then more often than not you will be walking back to the pavilion.
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Finally a sensible comment here. The talent is there but the application is not lets hope he develops that or few years down the lines we will taking about another wasted talent and I am afraid we can't looking at our batting resources.
 
today when he came in he could have played normal risk free cricket shots and ended up 20 not out with match situation. but once again gets out in poor manner, our new players have no game management or awareness.
 
Haider ali has abundance of talent. It's just the matter of improving his shot selection and game awareness. There is no one in our domestic circle who's even remotely close to him so should be persisted with.
 
As soon as you get to the middle order and you see Haider and Asif Ali are next in you say uh oh.
 
Saj said:
Talent alone gets you nowhere.

We have seen plenty of so-called talented cricketers end up on the scrapheap in Pakistan.

This lad has a lot of shots, he plays some special shots, but he also plays a lot of very poor shots.

The percentage of high-risk shots needs to reduce if he is to improve. They look good if they succeed, but if you keep on playing stupid shots then more often than not you will be walking back to the pavilion.
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Ahmed Shehzad had beautiful Pontin-esque shots when he first arrived to the scene, I still remember a shot he played when he got a 100 vs West Indies back in 2011 where he punched Kemar Roach for 4 but this is our problem as fans and the media that we mystified by good looking strokes and then we keep defending them whenever they fail and say "oh he's still learning" or "just wait he'll come good". Fact is we tried the experiment and it failed for us so he must go back to domestic and we should instead trial our last shots in the barrel in Sohaib Moqsood and to bring back Imad Wasim.
 
HussainZ said:
Haider ali has abundance of talent. It's just the matter of improving his shot selection and game awareness. There is no one in our domestic circle who's even remotely close to him so should be persisted with.
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'Just a matter' of improving shot selection and awareness? Bhai if it was that simple then Umar Akmal would be a world beater by now. Haider seems equally as brainless yet has way less talent than Umar did. By all accounts it's not looking good for the guy.
 
I have lost patience for him. He is only psl level batsman. Should be dropped.
 
Just started out so needs to be persisted with & he needs to stop being Afridi & stop this pre meditation 🤦🏽*♂️ He has a lot more to offer & WILL come good
 
Younis Khan asked about getting out too early, despite having lot of time to play an innings:

"Would you like me to tell him not to play his natural game? Should he play like Younis Khan and play 30 balls and hit 35 or 40 runs? Fact is that there are a lot of opinions on this matter and its difficult to make an opinion about this"

"Recently on media I heard that players are saying that coaches arent giving us an opportunity to express ourselves; In my view we should always give them that opportunity, and not take credit when they perform but we should answer questions like these when they dont perform"

"Haider Ali is hoping to become a top player - when he debuted against England, what did he score on his second ball in international cricket? He hit a six and scored a fifty on debut; I have that written in my diary - I am not drawing cartoons but note down all bits and pieces about players and work with them on those points"

"In the national team, we dont work on technique but we make sure that for a player like Haider Ali we allow him to play his natural game but we also work on tactics"

"Haider Ali has had many opportunities and we need to give him time too"

"We didnt have so many coaches telling us how to bat in our days so its upto the players to get themselves ready as they are representing their nation"

"Players need to learn from their own mistakes and if you ask Haider, he is also saying that he is learning from his mistakes and to overcome his weaknesses"
 
The alarming thing is his dismissal yesterday was a replica of 3 of his dismissals in the PSL. Slow ball sliding down legside and he slogs it to the outfield to get caught.
 
Haider Ali is a classic example of a young batsman getting ruined due to being pigeonholed as a T20 specialist and not allowed to develop in first-class cricket. He has not learned how to concentrate for a long period, or accepted that it's often necessary to bat time, i.e. the art of building an innings. All of that is only ingrained if a batsman plays first-class cricket.

Unfortunately, in Pakistan cricket we have accepted a culture of prematurely promoting young cricketers to international level through their prowess in domestic white ball cricket. I don't see Pakistan progressing as a cricket team unless that changes.
 
Saj said:
We aren't the most patient when it comes to young cricketers in Pakistan trying to make a name for themselves.

We have over the years seen many young cricketers come into international cricket with high hopes and a big reputation, only to be lost to the wilderness of domestic cricket. Some are never seen again, others are brought back to the international fold when way past their bet.

Haider Ali came into international cricket with a big reputation and with high hopes from fans. He was according to some going to be the golden boy of Pakistani batting alongside Babar Azam.

However his last 9 scores for Pakistan have been:

12
14
15
10
21
11
8
3
27

In 14 innings for Pakistan he just has 2 50s, including one on debut.

He looks an exceptional batsman at times with a lovely range of shots. At other times he looks rather average and plays some very ordinary shots.

One hopes that everyone is patient with him, but there is every chance that the patience may run out sooner rather than later.
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needs to bat at the place he has always done..which is opener

problem is that most of his dismissive shots would have been boundaries , like 4th T20,

but he needs to change his game now for no4 and shld make the spot his own once hafeez retires
 
Shoaib Akhtar on Haider Ali:

“Haider Ali does not understand the situation sometimes. It is not always important to hit big, sometimes you run through the game. You try to handle some situations with maturity and try to ease off certain parts. It could come through running between the wickets and adding pressure on the opposition. You don’t always have to try to get fours and sixes. You can tap and take two so that you can shock the field. I think he needs to learn this side of the game as well"

“He is a young guy and a prospect for Pakistan. But he has to mature soon. This maturity is very important since if he doesn’t mature then he will not receive too many chances. I would encourage him to be more responsible. The team requires more match-winning performances from Haider Ali"

“I don’t think we need to panic too much. Our squad is set. It is set because we know what we need to do. There is a lot to look into as far as our middle order is concerned. We need to see who are the set players for our middle and lower order batting. We will continue to struggle until we can sort that out"
 
problem is that most of his dismissive shots would have been boundaries , like 4th T20,
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Problem is, he's not thinking about where the fielders are.

He is too good a player to be playing the number of wild shots he is.
 
He'll come good, our fans are too much impatient, we should persist with him in long run, we don't have much backups
 
Sunny_majoka said:
He'll come good, our fans are too much impatient, we should persist with him in long run, we don't have much backups
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We’ve been blindsided by good looking shots and that’s it. It’s not about impatience he had a jem of an opportunity to make some easy runs in a no pressure situation and look what he did. There’s a time and place for boundaries and that match wasn’t it.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
We’ve been blindsided by good looking shots and that’s it. It’s not about impatience he had a jem of an opportunity to make some easy runs in a no pressure situation and look what he did. There’s a time and place for boundaries and that match wasn’t it.
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Patience is needed. I understand your frustration but the lad needs time to develop, he’s just 20 or so. There’s no readymade Miller or Butler in the bench, PSL, or domestic. Team is developing 360 player
 
Farabi said:
Patience is needed. I understand your frustration but the lad needs time to develop, he’s just 20 or so. There’s no readymade Miller or Butler in the bench, PSL, or domestic. Team is developing 360 player
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Bro at this point i'm willing to try someone tried and tested, so i would like Sohaib Moqsood instead. He would've got my vote of confidence with some 20s during this series but he's not done that. It's not fair on Haider and i think it's best he play domestic as it's too early for him and Haider needs to be honest himself. Nothing wrong with playing domestic for a few years.
 
Very very soon. He can't keep scoring 10 (6) and getting out. At the moment he is a passenger who is hogging a position and bringing nothing to the team at all.

I do like him though - he is just the kind of guy we need but he needs to start delivering something every now and then
 
Zimbabwe is next, an ideal opportunity for Haider to play himself back in form.

Shouldn't drop him now.
 
Markhor said:
Zimbabwe is next, an ideal opportunity for Haider to play himself back in form.

Shouldn't drop him now.
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Agreed
We should experiment in this tour so what's wrong with giving your inexperienced player a longer run
 
Haider Ali should play the t20s vs Zimbabwe he must score runs in this series.
 
Another poor innings by Haider Ali - surely there are technical issues which need to be fixed?
 
Bad signs. Another slog.

He came in today with 43 balls left, enough time to build an innings and then kick on.
 
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Saj said:
Bad signs. Another slog.

He came in today with 43 balls left, enough time to build an innings and then kick on.
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I am afraid he will go an umar akmal way,
The guy has immense talent he should read babar success story in T20s and follow it
 
Sunny_majoka said:
I am afraid he will go an umar akmal way,
The guy has immense talent he should read babar success story in T20s and follow it
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I have higher hopes for him.

I am sure he will come good, but I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

At the moment he's in the honeymoon period, but the vultures will be out soon.
 
Things must be bad if Asif Ali replaces Haider Ali! (for 2nd T20 v Zimbabwe)
 
Saj said:
I have higher hopes for him.

I am sure he will come good, but I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

At the moment he's in the honeymoon period, but the vultures will be out soon.
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It’s a matter of Malik performing well in PSL and Haider will be gone and rightly so. Terrible performances with hardly much pressure
 
Sunny_majoka said:
I am afraid he will go an umar akmal way,
The guy has immense talent he should read babar success story in T20s and follow it
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Umar Akmal was actually very good in the early years and played some super knocks. I am sorry this sounds harsh but Haider Ali currently doesnt even qualify to be Umar Akmal’s water boy.
 
If he continues to fail in domestic T20 cricket, don't see much of a future for him at international level.
 
I’m a fan of Haider Ali but I’ve lost my patience with him now. Bring back Umar Akmal and send Haider Ali to MoYo.
 
Poor shot and problems with technique?

NHPC failing with Haider Ali

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He has good ability but like every other player in Pakistan, he has no intelligence at all. No game-awareness, no temperament.

You cannot just hope that things will work out for him in XYZ years. it rarely happens, especially for Pakistani players.

People should cut down their expectations now. If he can turn it around, great. If he cannot, well he will be just another Pakistani player to lose the plot and perish for good.
 
Hes only 20. Way too raw right now. Has played only 8-9 FC games no? 2 full seasons on domestic + A tours etc. and bu the time he is 23 , he might be ready. Way too early to day anything about him
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Hes only 20. Way too raw right now. Has played only 8-9 FC games no? 2 full seasons on domestic + A tours etc. and bu the time he is 23 , he might be ready. Way too early to day anything about him
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Absolutely. It's not his fault that Pakistan are so desperate for batsmen that they flung a half cooked Haider in at the deep end.
 
Nails a sweep straight into the hands of square leg on the first ball of the innings. He is in a big hole right now
 
I'm afraid the more I watch of him, the more I worry about his cricketing intelligence.

What a stupid shot first ball.
 
Comparing him to Umar akmal is an insult to umar. This guy will vanish into obscurity very soon.
 
Firebat said:
Nails a sweep straight into the hands of square leg on the first ball of the innings. He is in a big hole right now
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He's very talented at hitting the ball, just seems to have no comprehension that fielders might be placed at certain points of the ground to catch it. I wonder what his innings would look like if he was threatened with a £1000 fine for every ball he hits above head height?
 
Getting worse and worse every inns. i can see him dissapearing of the scene very quickly.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
He's very talented at hitting the ball, just seems to have no comprehension that fielders might be placed at certain points of the ground to catch it. I wonder what his innings would look like if he was threatened with a £1000 fine for every ball he hits above head height?
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He got this shot out of the middle, but he just has to pick the fielder to perfection yet again. Brainless, on the very first ball of the innings.

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Time is running out for him.He has to come good now.He has to stop playing these stupid shots.
 
Looks like it is very easy now to set him up.. From his wicket it looks like everything was planned as per book..

Needs to go back to domestic cricket and get some FC experience and learn the art of scoring runs , staying in the wicket..
 
Shouldn't have even debuted when he did - why oh why do Pakistan try to reinvent the wheel instead of allowing youngsters to progress from FC to A team to international cricket like normal countries do ?
 
Markhor said:
Shouldn't have even debuted when he did - why oh why do Pakistan try to reinvent the wheel instead of allowing youngsters to progress from FC to A team to international cricket like normal countries do ?
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Because we're utterly desperate, it's that simple. And once upon a time great players used to seemingly come out of nowhere so we're hoping for the same miracle to occur again.

I feel for Haider. It can't be easy to manage international level expectations when he has barely played FC level cricket in his life. He's been set up to fail by the administration.
 
hitthestump said:
Because we're utterly desperate, it's that simple. And once upon a time great players used to seemingly come out of nowhere so we're hoping for the same miracle to occur again.

I feel for Haider. It can't be easy to manage international level expectations when he has barely played FC level cricket in his life. He's been set up to fail by the administration.
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Can you name a successful batsman Pakistan produced that came “out of nowhere”?
 
Markhor said:
Shouldn't have even debuted when he did - why oh why do Pakistan try to reinvent the wheel instead of allowing youngsters to progress from FC to A team to international cricket like normal countries do ?
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Because like the one poster said, we think champion players appear “from nowhere” even though there isn’t a single example from Pakistan or outside Pakistan.
As a nation love miracles, myths and conspiracy theories.
Words like Process, mechanism sound boring.
 
He does have ability but it’s mixed with youthful exuberance wanting to hit everything hard and not assess the situation.

He needs to play less T20 cricket and more FC and List A to develop his technique and temperament too much T20 will regress his ability at a young age.

His main position looks to be as an opening batsman and that’s where he should be developed first in FC then international steadily more in tests and ODIs than T20s.
 
We are heading into ridiculous shot selection territory now.

Blindly slogging away hoping that he doesn't pick out a fielder.

Sadly the more T20 cricket he plays, the worse he will get.
 
If a guy can't even retain an iota of advice and wisdom from Inzi Moyo and Younis then he has to be the thickest individual on the planet!
 
He is this generation's Umar Akmal. Talented batsman if he applied himself but instead choosing to be a brainless slogger.
 
Interesting that he has spent no time at all working with Mohammad Yousuf so far at the NHPC.
 
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Lucky to be there - dropped by Dahani vs Multan
 
Haider Ali now has more T20 runs that FC and even list A runs.

Not sure what to make out of it. :mw1
 
When Kamran Akmal, Malik are out performing young guns like Haider, Talat, Zeeshan Ashraf tells you the sorry state of batting talent of Pakistan
 
Still out there but struggling to time the ball.

4 or bust at the moment.
 
Scratchy innings once again.

Slogs, mis-hits and a few nice shots.

The lad looks very short of confidence.
 
He should NOT be in the PSL... He should be with Yousaf at NHPC fixing his technical and mental issues with batting.
 
Haider Ali in T20s:

2020

709 Runs @ 30.8
157.2 Strike-rate
5 Fifties

2021

230 Runs @ 16.4
129.9 Strike-rate
1 Fifty
 
CricketingMinds said:
When Kamran Akmal, Malik are out performing young guns like Haider, Talat, Zeeshan Ashraf tells you the sorry state of batting talent of Pakistan
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“Cricketing mind”
Comparing Kamran Akmal and Malik with Haider and Zeeshan is like comparing a company’s VPs with new hires.
Former have played for 15+ years, the latter are finding their feet.
Pak’s biggest downfall are impatient fans and management who are looking for unearthing “talent” from nowhere. Go look up Malik’s performances in his early years of development. He wasn’t even a batsman.
 
Farabi said:
This is exactly when players need to be backed.
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It's all well and good backing players, but players themselves have to look and analyse where things are going wrong, what they are doing well and what they are not doing so well.

There are some obvious issues with Haider's batting. Over to him and his coaches to sort them out.
 
Saj said:
It's all well and good backing players, but players themselves have to look and analyse where things are going wrong, what they are doing well and what they are not doing so well.

There are some obvious issues with Haider's batting. Over to him and his coaches to sort them out.
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Agreed, and it’s very possible that Haider Ali is already doing that but needs time to figure it out. There were definitely fewer flashy shots and more strike rotation today.
 
Have to question the hype this kid gets. He is a pure tape ball hitter so far. Absolutely horrendous shot selection. He has not played a single awe striking innings so far in international or domestic cricket so far.

He has had the opportunity to work with Younis, Yousaf and now Inzi and I see zero discipline or application. Needs to be sent back to domestic cricket and NHPC to iron out his batting
 
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